Hi all I am here. This is Kathleen typing since Peter is bowling this evening.
9:00 It’s a table debate. Makes it feel more down home don’ t it?
9:01 Domestic it is.
9:02 Aww they greeted each other nicely. Economy is the first issue up.
9:03 Thanks and Nancy Regan is in the hospital? What does this have to do with the economy?
9:04 John Q Public: We’re as mad as hëll and we aren’t going to take it any more
9:05 McCain makes some really good points of where the money needs to go for homeowners not speculators.
9:06 Rescue for the Middle Class. Good use of Buzz Words. Point for Obama.
9:07 Obama brings up that there is the long term and the short term.
9:07 McCain seems to be on the attack….and there goes the sound bite.
9:08 Nice one Obama (You are watching your own ads aren’t you?) I heard the audience laugh on that one.
9:10 Nice rebuttal by Obama but I think McCain is setting up that he will be on the attack all evening.
9:11 Can we stop talking about Joe the Plumber? How many times has McCain said Joe the Plumber? (Yes folks it is the new My Friends)
9:12 Obama needs to rein McCain in.
9:13 Moving onto the Deficit which is a 800 pound Gorilla in the room after hand out all this money.
9:14 Obama admits we have been living beyond our means (being America) Pay as you go is not a bad way to go but I don’t think it is plausible.
9:16 McCain is talking about the past again. Bob brings him back.
9;17 who has “countries that don’t like us very much” in the pool of phrases we have heard before
9:18 And WHO increased the government? Would that be Bush and the Republicans?
How did we get onto Energy from the Deficit?
9:19 He got the Planetarium in again. That projector is a great over simplification of what that object was.
9:20 Obama points out who was in the office and where we were. Smart move on his part.
9:20 Bob is trying to get it back to the Deficit and McCain is off and running again.
9:22 McCain is trying to say he is a Maverick without saying Maverick
9:22 Obama is sounding a little defensive but is trying to steer away from sounding so
Fox News! Good one Obabma. Again there is laughter in the audience
(:24 Please OH Please DON”T show us those scars!
9:25 OH this should be interesting. The High Road and the lack of walking on it
9:25 Yeah it has been tough all over. Town Hall meetings? Did you see how you did on the last one Mr. McCain?
9:26 McCain is really reaching here. And he has NOT repudiated many of those sorts of remarks no matter what he says. Oh boy he can prove it.
9:28 Obama better get a handle on this quick and there he goes. McCain doesn’t sound happy about what he is saying either. Just don’t say that you started it.
9:30 McCain watches football. Wonder what sport Obama watches? I’m betting basketball.
9:31 there is Joe again
9:31 Obama is going to step into the one with both feet. And there is the rebuttal on that sound bite.
9:32 Obama is trying to take the high road and McCain keeps butting in. Not quite cricket
9:34 Again I hear the audience giggle
9:35 Nice “disagree without being disagreeable”
9:36 There is the hit and the punch. Now can Obama sort this out without giving more fodder? Nice start now let see where he is going with it. He is doing an OK job of explaining what happened. Putting names that he does talk to is a good touch.
9:39 This is not making McCain looked good at all. Now he is trying to get on point again.
9:40 People to bring into the Government. VP choices
9:42 Ok he is using Biden to get some talking points across
9:42 Role model? To whom?
9:43 Palin is up to her ášš in the good ol’ boy network in Alaska. Just look at the indictment.
9:44 Nice side step Obama.
9:45 McCain has been couched to death on this question.
9:46 McCain is on the attack again. Obama not given the oppertunity to respond.
9:46 Now we are into Energy policy and a real number is asked for. Not going to get it but he asked real nice
9:48 McCain is very comfortable with this question and gave his rote answer. Let’s see how Obama does.
9:49 Obama is playing the camera more than McCain. He is look at Bob or Obama.
9:50 Can’t drill our way out is a good phrase to use
9:51 McCain is in for the attack again. Trying for the downhome touch again. He didn’t say Elite but he came d*mn close
9:52 Point for McCain for pointing out that Obama has never been to South America. Has Bush?
9:53 Pulling it back to Energy and the American auto industry. Not a bad way to go.
9:55 I figured that McCain was going to bring up Chavez. Restrict trade and raise taxes. he is really trying to get those sound bites in.
9:56 Health Care. Boy this is a sticky subject
9:57 Make sure you keep it simple Obama and push it onto the Insurance companies. That Fed pool won’t work for the general public. It is suplimented up the ying yang by the government. At least he admits that it will cost to start but how it might be better later
9:58 How about NOT CUTTING PE AND RECESS OUT OF THE SCHOOL DAY TO TEACH TO THE TEST
Oh for the love of mother mary, Joe the plumber again?
5,000 will NOT pay for healthcare in the New York industry. And Obama has answered these charges before (like the last two debates)
10:00 Obama reminds McCain that he has answered these questions before. Now Obama is talking to Joe. I want to see a picture of this magic plumber.
10:02 Obama is right about cherry picking clients. He gave a number! 12,000 is about right for a family policy.
10:03 McCain needs to get off the Joe jag. Obama just rebutted this just 90 seconds ago. And McCain had drank the Kool Aid about his health plan.
10:04 We have heard this all in the last debate, There is nothing new here. Why don’t we move along?
10:06 Roe vs. Wade and the Supreme Court. Good question
10:06 McCain is doing well on this one in terms of the Supreme Court not the state rights issue
10:07 Qualified judicial nominees would be nice to see some get nominated finally rather than the croneism that has been going on.
10:08 OK they agree on this one. Then I think we should move on.
10:09 Obama is taking the bull by the horns here and telling us what he believes. Might be a dangerous thing to do but refreshing to here.
10:10 Lilly Leadbetter is a good example for him to use for this question.
10:12 And McCain is on the attack again trying to make Obama the villain of the piece.
10:13 Obama is again trying to set the facts straight
10:14 Point for Obama for talking about other options and sex ed
10:15 And on the attack is McCain. He is trying to make it sound like Obama is playing word games with the American people
10:16 And we end with Education a good topic indeed
10:17 Nice tie in with other problems Obama and getting the words national security out there before McCain
10:18 Not bad and he does bring up the responcibility of the parents for their children
10:19 Choice and competition? The New York experiment with for profit public schools failed spectaculary.
10:20 Not certify teachers just because they are ex-military? What?
10:21 Nice play on “No Child left behind” which has been a disaster for most school districts. School vouchers don’t work. Point for Obama
10:23 McCain is defending NCLB? It has been the biggest problem for the schools who have gotten rid of creative programs to teach to the bloody test.
10:25 And he is bring in Autism again for what purpose?
10;26 thank you Mr. Obama for saying that vouchers don’t work.
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10:27 McCain blinking like crazy. Maybe he suffers from dry eye. Does his speech sound a bit more slurred than usual? He is just going through his talking points.
10:29 Obama is going through his talking points now.
McCain came in on the attack more this go around. Obama managed to defend.
I don’t think McCain got that big hit he was looking for. He seemed petulant at points.
Pretty even match over all. I hope Joe the Plumber was watching.
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And thanks again, Jerry; this time for answering my question. Yep, Obama is the big, scary taxer we have to worry about…
Overall, I think this was a better format than the prior debate; and – while Tom Brokaw was my nightly news anchor of choice for at least fifteen years – I’d have to say Bob Scheffer (sp?) was probably the better moderator.
And thanks again, Jerry; this time for answering my question. Yep, Obama is the big, scary taxer we have to worry about…
Overall, I think this was a better format than the prior debate; and – while Tom Brokaw was my nightly news anchor of choice for at least fifteen years – I’d have to say Bob Scheffer (sp?) was probably the better moderator.
This may be true; I’ll have to count Jojo’s eyeblinks tomorrow and see if they match.
Speaking as a plumber, even if my name isn’t Joe, I believe I’m going to get drunk, just on general principles.
For the record, I called Obama an @$$hole three or four times, I lost track of the McCain count by 9:30.
Speaking as a plumber, even if my name isn’t Joe, I believe I’m going to get drunk, just on general principles.
For the record, I called Obama an @$$hole three or four times, I lost track of the McCain count by 9:30.
If Sarah Palin wants to know about autism, she can also go talk to Lea Hernandez, who’s got an autistic son and daughter. Actually, Susan, if you and Lea gang up on Palin, along with your kids, maybe she’ll pack up and take her shapely beauty queen ášš and single-digit IQ back to Caribou Testicle, Alaska where she belongs.
Oh, yeah, Susan, you called it. McCain reminds me more and more of a cat frantically trying not to fall back in the bathtub.
Miles
If Sarah Palin wants to know about autism, she can also go talk to Lea Hernandez, who’s got an autistic son and daughter. Actually, Susan, if you and Lea gang up on Palin, along with your kids, maybe she’ll pack up and take her shapely beauty queen ášš and single-digit IQ back to Caribou Testicle, Alaska where she belongs.
Oh, yeah, Susan, you called it. McCain reminds me more and more of a cat frantically trying not to fall back in the bathtub.
Miles
Or, even more graphic, a cat trying desperately to cover up that steaming mess, all the time scratching away at the kitchen linoleum floor, LOLOL
Wow… The Fox News group of regular people that they have watch the debate just got asked about the debate. No one came out for McCain who came in for Obama but four people claimed that they switched to Obama based on this debate.
Wow… The Fox News group of regular people that they have watch the debate just got asked about the debate. No one came out for McCain who came in for Obama but four people claimed that they switched to Obama based on this debate.
Kathleen David: 10:19 Choice and competition? The New York experiment with for profit public schools failed spectaculary…10:21 Nice play on “No Child left behind” which has been a disaster for most school districts. School vouchers don’t work. Point for Obama.
Luigi Novi: I’ve heard about the NY experiment. Can you point me in the direction of documentation for this, Kathleen? Thanks. 🙂
Kathleen David: 10:19 Choice and competition? The New York experiment with for profit public schools failed spectaculary…10:21 Nice play on “No Child left behind” which has been a disaster for most school districts. School vouchers don’t work. Point for Obama.
Luigi Novi: I’ve heard about the NY experiment. Can you point me in the direction of documentation for this, Kathleen? Thanks. 🙂
…so Fox reported their panel was split.
…so Fox reported their panel was split.
“We had about 25,000 here in Richmond Virginia 2 days ago. Was supposed to be in an 8000 venue but had to be moved to our Nascar track to accomidate everyone.”
You mean those fans go home between races?
“We had about 25,000 here in Richmond Virginia 2 days ago. Was supposed to be in an 8000 venue but had to be moved to our Nascar track to accomidate everyone.”
You mean those fans go home between races?
“You mean those fans go home between races?”
Well, they did have to leave and come back because of the gunshow last weekend.
And thanks for the pinch-hit blogging, Kathleen! Good call on the new “My friends”; and “The High Road and the lack of walking on it” was a very nice line. Among many nice observations – thanks again!
And thanks for the pinch-hit blogging, Kathleen! Good call on the new “My friends”; and “The High Road and the lack of walking on it” was a very nice line. Among many nice observations – thanks again!
Um. I’d pay good money for that.
Charity of your choice.
Um. I’d pay good money for that.
Charity of your choice.
Just watched the Daily show. is that what Peter talks like when he’s not at conventions? scary 😉
Just watched the Daily show. is that what Peter talks like when he’s not at conventions? scary 😉
McCain is going hard for the base and the fringe right now. He’s walking out of this with a big drop in his numbers tomorrow.
McCain has been lost for weeks. He doesn’t even appear to be making an effort for the independents. I guess he believes he can win on the base alone.
And the only reason the base is voting for him is because of Palin. Or a protest vote against Obama.
Yeesh.
On the blinking:
– Excessive blinking
–> showing romantic interest (if their pupil is dilated)
–> sign of stress
–> could be lying
http://www.bodylanguagesignals.com/Eyes.html
I knew about two of those, but the first one came as a surprise. 😀
On another note… did anyone think McCain seemed to be trying to run against Bush, too? Some of the language – as when he was contrasting his policies with those of the last eight years – seemed like what you might expect to hear from someone running against the incumbent.
On the blinking:
– Excessive blinking
–> showing romantic interest (if their pupil is dilated)
–> sign of stress
–> could be lying
http://www.bodylanguagesignals.com/Eyes.html
I knew about two of those, but the first one came as a surprise. 😀
On another note… did anyone think McCain seemed to be trying to run against Bush, too? Some of the language – as when he was contrasting his policies with those of the last eight years – seemed like what you might expect to hear from someone running against the incumbent.
Hannity on the debate:
1) McCain won.
2) Obama was weak and feeble.
3) The best line of the night was McCain’s “Senator Government” slip up.
4) McCain won.
5) McCain won.
Still, he was more even handed and sane sounding in his view of how things went down tonight than Rove was…
Hannity on the debate:
1) McCain won.
2) Obama was weak and feeble.
3) The best line of the night was McCain’s “Senator Government” slip up.
4) McCain won.
5) McCain won.
Still, he was more even handed and sane sounding in his view of how things went down tonight than Rove was…
Did anyone figure out how ACORN is going to destroy the fabric of our democracy?
I’m hoping it’s with orbital lasers. That would be cool.
Posted by: Susan O
Sugar-based Ethanol is a lousy answer – it’s environmentally destructive, expensive to produce (corn is heavily subsidized), replaces other crops and jacksup food prices, and you get fewer MPG – how is this saving anything?
Corn-based ethanol isn’t sugar-based. That is, the sugars in corn that the alcohol are produced from are less-efficient (and there’s less in corn) than sucrose from cane or beets, which is what most of us mean by “sugar”. Bio-mass ethanol (from things like kudzu), once they get the bugs into it, will be better, as are ethanol from cane (look at Brazil) or beets. And MPG is (mostly irrelevant) – cost per mile is the important factor. If ethanol gives three-quarters the MPG, but costs only two-thirds what gasoline does (not the case with corn, granted), then it’s still cheaper to use.
NO nuclear power! Unless you’re storing all that spent stuff at the White House.
Sigh. There are several perfectly-sound methods for disposing of nuclear waste – like sealing it in ceramic and dumping it in a subduction zone – which are Not Allowed because people who know nothing go all twitchy when the word “nuclear” comes up. (Had Congress actually been willing to fund a real surface-to-orbit cargo system, and NASA not caved politically, giving us the Shuttle, we could just dump it in the Sun or put it on a Solar escape trajectory…)
Posted by: Tom Saltz
Unqualified for what? A Role Model? A woman? What polls?
Existence?
Posted by: Susan O
… a gallon of milk is $4, an artificial price set by the government.
Could we have some documentation on that, please? Milk prices where i shop run from the mid-$3 to the $4-plus range. (South Carolina used to set a minimum milk price, to prevent supermarket cvhains with mass buying power from pricing it below cost as a loss-leader that smaller stores couldn’t compete with, but the last i knew for certain they were doing that was forty years ago.) The only way in which i know for certain that government affects milk prices is that the stupid ethanol-from-corn subsidies raise the cost of production by raising the cost of feed…)
Posted by: Jacob
Wait, this campaign is all about who we trust more? Well, I think I’ve made my choice.
I did, about three weeks ago, when i voted.
Posted by: Jerry Chandler
Well, they did have to leave and come back because of the gunshow last weekend.
Why? To buy new tickets? The potential-audience overlap is near-100%…
Hannity on the debate:
You mean you can listen long enough to Hannitay to determine what he – for want of a better term – thinks (aside from “Liberals and homos are destroying this country and anyone who disagrees with me must be a liberal or a homo,” that is.) Even if i agreed with Hannitay i couldn’t listen to him that long; aside from the way his mania scares me, his voice sets my teeth on edge.
Posted by: Susan O
Sugar-based Ethanol is a lousy answer – it’s environmentally destructive, expensive to produce (corn is heavily subsidized), replaces other crops and jacksup food prices, and you get fewer MPG – how is this saving anything?
Corn-based ethanol isn’t sugar-based. That is, the sugars in corn that the alcohol are produced from are less-efficient (and there’s less in corn) than sucrose from cane or beets, which is what most of us mean by “sugar”. Bio-mass ethanol (from things like kudzu), once they get the bugs into it, will be better, as are ethanol from cane (look at Brazil) or beets. And MPG is (mostly irrelevant) – cost per mile is the important factor. If ethanol gives three-quarters the MPG, but costs only two-thirds what gasoline does (not the case with corn, granted), then it’s still cheaper to use.
NO nuclear power! Unless you’re storing all that spent stuff at the White House.
Sigh. There are several perfectly-sound methods for disposing of nuclear waste – like sealing it in ceramic and dumping it in a subduction zone – which are Not Allowed because people who know nothing go all twitchy when the word “nuclear” comes up. (Had Congress actually been willing to fund a real surface-to-orbit cargo system, and NASA not caved politically, giving us the Shuttle, we could just dump it in the Sun or put it on a Solar escape trajectory…)
Posted by: Tom Saltz
Unqualified for what? A Role Model? A woman? What polls?
Existence?
Posted by: Susan O
… a gallon of milk is $4, an artificial price set by the government.
Could we have some documentation on that, please? Milk prices where i shop run from the mid-$3 to the $4-plus range. (South Carolina used to set a minimum milk price, to prevent supermarket cvhains with mass buying power from pricing it below cost as a loss-leader that smaller stores couldn’t compete with, but the last i knew for certain they were doing that was forty years ago.) The only way in which i know for certain that government affects milk prices is that the stupid ethanol-from-corn subsidies raise the cost of production by raising the cost of feed…)
Posted by: Jacob
Wait, this campaign is all about who we trust more? Well, I think I’ve made my choice.
I did, about three weeks ago, when i voted.
Posted by: Jerry Chandler
Well, they did have to leave and come back because of the gunshow last weekend.
Why? To buy new tickets? The potential-audience overlap is near-100%…
Hannity on the debate:
You mean you can listen long enough to Hannitay to determine what he – for want of a better term – thinks (aside from “Liberals and homos are destroying this country and anyone who disagrees with me must be a liberal or a homo,” that is.) Even if i agreed with Hannitay i couldn’t listen to him that long; aside from the way his mania scares me, his voice sets my teeth on edge.
Bio-mass ethanol (from things like kudzu), once they get the bugs into it, will be better
When that day comes I’m totally going into the kudzu farming business, using my never fail 3 step kudzu farming technique:
1. Plant Kudzu
2. Watch TV for a few weeks
3. harvest Kudzu
Sanford North Carolina will be the energy capital of the world!
Bio-mass ethanol (from things like kudzu), once they get the bugs into it, will be better
When that day comes I’m totally going into the kudzu farming business, using my never fail 3 step kudzu farming technique:
1. Plant Kudzu
2. Watch TV for a few weeks
3. harvest Kudzu
Sanford North Carolina will be the energy capital of the world!
Mike Weber:
Here’ one site that talks about the federal milk-pricing guidelines, but it’s so schizophrenic it’s almost impossible to understand (milk type A is this price, unless it’s from this region, but if it’s shipped to another state, it’s X, and on Tuesday…)
Milk in our two town grocieries is $4.29 a gallon for 2%. At Aldi’s in the city, it’s $2.89, and I think I pay $2.79 at Costco for 1%. This is a big issue for me as we go through 7 gallons a week and at least a pound of cheese. Allegedly, milk prices are government-set because there is such a glut of milk that the actual market price is far too low to support the industry. I know this to be true, as my college roommate lived on a dairy farm (NY), and eventually they lost it. How can you buy a $100,000 silo to feed your cattle when you can’t break $8,000 a year? We literally pay farmers to produce milk, then pay an inflated price to pay for the privilege. I feel bad for the farmers, but let’s look at reality: Kool Aid is 99 cents a large container. Soda is 79 cents for a half-gallon. Milk is $4 a gallon. If you have a limited welfare dollar, or are trying to make it on two minimum-wage jobs, which can you buy in greater volume for $5? McCain can talk about nutrition, but nutrition is the most expensive thing in the grocery store (Pears, $1.79 a pound, when each weighs a pound. One pear x 3 kids = 3 pears = @ $5.40. For one snack. Fruit roll-ups? 1.99 a box. Which stretches your budget more?)
CNN kept trying to say McCain was the winner, that Obama was too “professorial”, which I guess means he can speak in a clear, coherent, explanatory manner, surely something we would never want in a leader. Not one of them mentioned the issues discussed here.
http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/aib761/aib761.pdf
Mike Weber:
Here’ one site that talks about the federal milk-pricing guidelines, but it’s so schizophrenic it’s almost impossible to understand (milk type A is this price, unless it’s from this region, but if it’s shipped to another state, it’s X, and on Tuesday…)
Milk in our two town grocieries is $4.29 a gallon for 2%. At Aldi’s in the city, it’s $2.89, and I think I pay $2.79 at Costco for 1%. This is a big issue for me as we go through 7 gallons a week and at least a pound of cheese. Allegedly, milk prices are government-set because there is such a glut of milk that the actual market price is far too low to support the industry. I know this to be true, as my college roommate lived on a dairy farm (NY), and eventually they lost it. How can you buy a $100,000 silo to feed your cattle when you can’t break $8,000 a year? We literally pay farmers to produce milk, then pay an inflated price to pay for the privilege. I feel bad for the farmers, but let’s look at reality: Kool Aid is 99 cents a large container. Soda is 79 cents for a half-gallon. Milk is $4 a gallon. If you have a limited welfare dollar, or are trying to make it on two minimum-wage jobs, which can you buy in greater volume for $5? McCain can talk about nutrition, but nutrition is the most expensive thing in the grocery store (Pears, $1.79 a pound, when each weighs a pound. One pear x 3 kids = 3 pears = @ $5.40. For one snack. Fruit roll-ups? 1.99 a box. Which stretches your budget more?)
CNN kept trying to say McCain was the winner, that Obama was too “professorial”, which I guess means he can speak in a clear, coherent, explanatory manner, surely something we would never want in a leader. Not one of them mentioned the issues discussed here.
http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/aib761/aib761.pdf
Sigh. There are several perfectly-sound methods for disposing of nuclear waste – like sealing it in ceramic and dumping it in a subduction zone – which are Not Allowed because people who know nothing go all twitchy when the word “nuclear” comes up. (Had Congress actually been willing to fund a real surface-to-orbit cargo system, and NASA not caved politically, giving us the Shuttle, we could just dump it in the Sun or put it on a Solar escape trajectory…)
Totally agreed in principle, but how technologically feasible are those solutions at the moment? (I’m speaking specifically of things like the subduction-zone one, which I thought was fairly neat even back when David Brin put it in one of his Uplift books.)
TWL
When that day comes I’m totally going into the kudzu farming business, using my never fail 3 step kudzu farming technique:
Actually, you know what, that sounds like a plan!
Dudes, I didn’t know you could get biofuel from kudzu! That šhìŧ may yet save the world!
Oh, and McCain’s calling Sarah “I’m so happy about the investigation findings!” Palin a “role model for women” and saying she’s an expert on autism is almost as hilarious as his supporters ranting about how Obama is an Arab Muslim and terrorist. Not everyone shares our fondness for what we call facts.
When that day comes I’m totally going into the kudzu farming business, using my never fail 3 step kudzu farming technique:
Actually, you know what, that sounds like a plan!
Dudes, I didn’t know you could get biofuel from kudzu! That šhìŧ may yet save the world!
Oh, and McCain’s calling Sarah “I’m so happy about the investigation findings!” Palin a “role model for women” and saying she’s an expert on autism is almost as hilarious as his supporters ranting about how Obama is an Arab Muslim and terrorist. Not everyone shares our fondness for what we call facts.
I really didn’t understand McCain’s bit about putting vets to work as teachers without certification. It just kind of slipped out there and I haven’t really seen anyone talking about it. In no way does it make sense to me to take people who’ve just been in a war zone and may be suffering from PTSD in a room full of rowdy kids without any sort of training or certification. Why would we loosen requirements for teachers at a time when we need to strengthen them? Why would a soldier be automatically qualified? If anyone can explain this as anything other than complete BS and an attempt to appeal to vets please enlighten me.
If folding t-shirts and underwear become a college-admissions requirement, soldiers will be our most valuable educational resource.
If folding t-shirts and underwear become a college-admissions requirement, soldiers will be our most valuable educational resource.
There was a program at one time that helped transition military to the civilian world by helping them get teaching degrees, but I never heard of any program that just threw them out there with no training. Teaching assistants make virtually no money at my daughters school. So, we have an unqualified teacher, who may have mental problems from the wars and now can hardly pay his bills put into a classroom with our challenging little darlings. Now there’s a recipe for success.
There was a program at one time that helped transition military to the civilian world by helping them get teaching degrees, but I never heard of any program that just threw them out there with no training. Teaching assistants make virtually no money at my daughters school. So, we have an unqualified teacher, who may have mental problems from the wars and now can hardly pay his bills put into a classroom with our challenging little darlings. Now there’s a recipe for success.
Zombie McCain: nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010692.html
Mike Weber: “Could we have some documentation on that, please? Milk prices where i shop run from the mid-$3 to the $4-plus range. (South Carolina used to set a minimum milk price, to prevent supermarket cvhains with mass buying power from pricing it below cost as a loss-leader that smaller stores couldn’t compete with, but the last i knew for certain they were doing that was forty years ago.) The only way in which i know for certain that government affects milk prices is that the stupid ethanol-from-corn subsidies raise the cost of production by raising the cost of feed…)”
Yep, they still do it now. One of our local legislators was having a fit over that a few years back and the news was covering his fit by showing footage of dairy farmers dumping tanker trucks full of milk into a farm field. The reason was that the federal government still gives them subsidies to keep the price of milk at a higher profit level and too much milk on the market would lower that price. It’s a wee bit more complecated than that, but that’s about the gist of it. Part of the stink raised by our guy was over the milk being dumped rather than being used at shelters and whatnot, but it turns out that they’re not allowed to donate the milk. It must be dumped.
“You mean you can listen long enough to Hannitay to determine what he – for want of a better term – thinks (aside from “Liberals and homos are destroying this country and anyone who disagrees with me must be a liberal or a homo,” that is.) Even if i agreed with Hannitay i couldn’t listen to him that long; aside from the way his mania scares me, his voice sets my teeth on edge.”
Yeah, but it’s sooooooo much fun to see the man flail about and spin something that even he knows is an absolute lost cause with a snowball’s chance in hëll.
Bill Mulligan: “Sanford North Carolina will be the energy capital of the world!”
And a source of great salad fixings. Kudzu, believe it or not, tastes great. (Hint: When picking Kudzu for salad; it really helps to know the difference between kudzu and poison ivy.)
Mike Weber: “Could we have some documentation on that, please? Milk prices where i shop run from the mid-$3 to the $4-plus range. (South Carolina used to set a minimum milk price, to prevent supermarket cvhains with mass buying power from pricing it below cost as a loss-leader that smaller stores couldn’t compete with, but the last i knew for certain they were doing that was forty years ago.) The only way in which i know for certain that government affects milk prices is that the stupid ethanol-from-corn subsidies raise the cost of production by raising the cost of feed…)”
Yep, they still do it now. One of our local legislators was having a fit over that a few years back and the news was covering his fit by showing footage of dairy farmers dumping tanker trucks full of milk into a farm field. The reason was that the federal government still gives them subsidies to keep the price of milk at a higher profit level and too much milk on the market would lower that price. It’s a wee bit more complecated than that, but that’s about the gist of it. Part of the stink raised by our guy was over the milk being dumped rather than being used at shelters and whatnot, but it turns out that they’re not allowed to donate the milk. It must be dumped.
“You mean you can listen long enough to Hannitay to determine what he – for want of a better term – thinks (aside from “Liberals and homos are destroying this country and anyone who disagrees with me must be a liberal or a homo,” that is.) Even if i agreed with Hannitay i couldn’t listen to him that long; aside from the way his mania scares me, his voice sets my teeth on edge.”
Yeah, but it’s sooooooo much fun to see the man flail about and spin something that even he knows is an absolute lost cause with a snowball’s chance in hëll.
Bill Mulligan: “Sanford North Carolina will be the energy capital of the world!”
And a source of great salad fixings. Kudzu, believe it or not, tastes great. (Hint: When picking Kudzu for salad; it really helps to know the difference between kudzu and poison ivy.)
No Blood 4 Kudzu.
I really didn’t understand McCain’s bit about putting vets to work as teachers without certification.
I read that as McCain trying to cut through the red tape about teacher certification and get qualified people into the classroom more efficiently. I agree with that — although I’m a bit biased, given that I’ve taught for seventeen years and have never actually gotten an official certification. I think a lot of the gen-ed courses are far more rigmarole than they’re worth much of the time.
TWL
I really didn’t understand McCain’s bit about putting vets to work as teachers without certification.
I read that as McCain trying to cut through the red tape about teacher certification and get qualified people into the classroom more efficiently. I agree with that — although I’m a bit biased, given that I’ve taught for seventeen years and have never actually gotten an official certification. I think a lot of the gen-ed courses are far more rigmarole than they’re worth much of the time.
TWL
Totally agreed in principle, but how technologically feasible are those solutions at the moment?
I profess to know less than I’d like about the topic but it seems that all, save those who are strictly opposed to nuclear energy, agree that safety measures across the board have come a long, long way since the last reactors built here in the US.
In the end, there are groups that outright refuse to let the rest of the world find out about these solutions, because they’ll never stand for them, regardless.