I didn’t see the ending coming at ALL! Did you guys SEE what happened to Anakin? They put him in that whole black armor thing, and suddenly he sounded like Simba’s dad!
And–whoa! Twins! Padme had twins! Not crazy about the names she chose, but they’re not bad, I guess.
My question is…what now?! I mean, that’s how they END it? With so much left dangling? What happens to Yoda? And Obi Wan? And the kids? The bad guys just WIN in the end? What the hëll kind of ending is THAT? What a downer.
Has anyone heard if there’s gonna be a chapter 4? I’m dying to see what happens next!
Spoilers follow:
Okay, seriously…
THINGS I LIKED–Pacing was brisk. There were actual stray laugh lines that weren’t painful. The special effects, except for a few patchy moments during the lava flow battle, were superb and seamless. A number of dangling questions were dealt with (including the glaring “Why didn’t 3PO remember being built on Tattooine?) The lightsaber battles were outstanding, and some of the crosscutting sequences were deftly linked thematically (the birth of Darth Vader matching up with the birth of his children, for instance).
THINGS I LOVED–The scene where Palpatine, while watching that weird balloon glob opera, calmly and coolly seduces Anakin with the backstory of the Sith and the notion that Anakin might be able to save Padme if he just opens himself to the Dark Side. Not only did the chemistry between the two actors crackle, but I think it may well be the best dialogue scene in the entirety of the first three films. Plus I think we’re supposed to infer that Palpatine’s mentor was responsible for the creation of Anakin, which at least provides SOME kind of explanation. Love the John Williams score, interweaving new themes with the Empire March, Luke and Leia’s theme, etc. Also loved that Jar Jar didn’t speak. The visit to the planet of the Wookies, which Lucas ostensibly wanted to do since “Return of the Jedi,” but settled for half-sized Wookies called (spell it sideways and drop half the letters) Ewoks. Ewan McGregor convincingly aging into Alec Guiness. Anakin wearing an ensemble identical to what Luke was sporting in “ROTJ.” And, hey, now we’ve got a new fan gesture, taken from the Obi-Wan/Anakin battle: Jedi High Five, which consists of bringing your plams to within an inch of each other but not making contact no matter how hard you try. Also the cameo of a clearly young Grand Moff Tarkin.
THINGS THAT I DON’T BELIEVE: That Mace Windu is dead. I’m sorry, he’s the baddest bad-ášš there is. I don’t care that he was thrown halfway across the city. I think when he lands, he dusts himself off and says, “That all you got?” I also don’t believe the names of some of these characters. Darth Sidious. What’s his first name, “In?” General Grievous, as in Grievous Bodily Harm? C’mon. Certainly Lucas has had snarky names before, but at least he had the decency to put them into foreign languages (anyone for a serving of Mon Calamari?)
THINGS I HOWLED OVER: “It’s alive! It’s alive!” How in God’s name could Lucas have thought it a good idea to do an entire Frankenstein riff by having Darth Vader break his bonds on the operating table and lurch forward. I mean, it was hysterical. The lame spreading of arms and shouting, “Nooooo!’ was the capper on an inadvertently laughter-inducing sequence. With Vader believing that Padme had betrayed him, it might have been more effective for him to, upon learning of her demise, coldly saying, “Good.” Plus I was waiting for the legless, partly armless Anakin to shout after Obi-Wan, “Get back here! I’ll bite your kneecaps off, you pansy!”
THINGS I WAS ANNOYED OVER: No explanation of Leia’s remembering her mother or Luke looking around Dagobah and saying it seemed familiar. Granted, we can chalk it up to Force-induced dreams, but still… Also, it would have been cool to see how 3PO lost a leg and had to wear the silver replacement one he had in the subsequent films. Also…boy, the whole Jedi seeing-the-future thing is pretty freakin’ hit and miss. Seeing Jedi after Jedi caught by surprise by a massive conspiracy is a little like the psychic convention that was cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances. I know, I know, Yoda kept saying the force was cloudy, but sheesh.
THINGS I’D LIKE TO SEE NEXT: An entire film called the Adventures of Han Solo. Recast with a younger actor, obviously, but charting his early years and how he hooked up with Chewie.
PAD
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“Watching the prequels and then watching the originals, you are just amazed by how sucky a jedi Luke Skywalker is – he’s slow, he can’t do half the stuff the original jedi could…hëll, he didn’t even complete his training. He just showed up on Dagobah and said. “Well, I’m a jedi now. Yep.””
Considering that he only had a few days with Obi Wan and maybe a few months max with Yoda, I’d say he showed impressive abilities. Meanwhile, Jedi masters trained virtually from birth let themselves get shot in the back by clones. Feh.
True, he never did any of that cool lightning from the hands stuff but then again, neither did Vader….which is odd since all the other Sith had it in their arsenal of tricks.
Hey did ya see the article, analysists fear that IT prodcutivity may be down due to the “Star Wars Flu”. (Too many people taking off work the next day because they were out late catching EpIII.)
I think it would be great of the media weren’t filled with dipshits who get their jollies by insulting people in the technology field.
Obviously, being in IT still automatically equates with being a geek, and being a ‘geek’ is still a great slur to throw about.
It’s fûçkìņg pathetic on the part of the media.
I absolutely love the movie PAD.
Hearing James Earl Jones as Vader sent shivers up and down my spine. Fan Boy Heaven.
Hëll it was worth seeing the Midnight show on Wednesday and being dead tired at work on Thursday.
Kudos to Lucas.
I just wish Mace Windu could have died saving Yoda. I agree with your early statement…Samuel L is a bad Mother shut your mouth…and I expected him to reappear at the last minute to fight Darth Sidious and save Yoda.
Still all and all I give it a 8 out of 10, best part of the preview was getting to see the FF trailer.
And I picked up your novelization yesterday.
Regards:
Warren S. Jones III
I saw EP 3 today, and I thought it was very good. The story held together well (unlike Ep 2, which dragged way too often), thank the Force that Hayden got acting lessons (last time he acted like a petulant teenager), and the end provided a nice wraparound with A NEW HOPE.
As for PAD’s comments about names, General Grievous didn’t bother me. (Has anyone complained a villain named Doctor Doom is too on the mark?) I can’t believe that George Lucas named one of the meaned villains in his universe Dooku. Every time I hear that I think it’s a new muppet (and not a cool one like Yoda).
And I’m sticking by my inference regarding Anakin’s conception. I mean, why the hëll else was it in there?
I felt Palpatine mentioned it to show off how powerful his master was… that he could essentially play God. Basically, the ultimate power of Force, the creation of life. It certainly wasn’t an unprecedented, or exclusively Sith phenomenon, or else Qui Gon and Obi-Wan would have freaked out when they first learned Anakin was conceived that way, instead of harkening to the prophecy.
Does it mean Anakin was doomed from the start? Perhaps. Perhaps it was a nature versus nurture thing.
Well, that I’d agree with, though maybe not in the way you mean. I think one of the key differences between Anakin and Luke was that Anakin suffered the harsh realities of slave life… and that coupled with being forced to leave his mother in bondage at such a young age created a lot of bitterness and anger within him that made him more susceptible to the Dark Side than Luke, whose formative years were pretty stable.
Besides, if he was destined for a fall, it makes it all the more impressive that he then revolted against evil and saved his son.
Yeah, but it makes his death less tragic, IMO, if he was a creation of evil from the start. The tragedy, especially in the first three movies, is thinking about what COULD have been. If he was doomed from the start, that’s removed.
I agree with the Mace Windu gripes. But, as a really sarky coworker said tonight, there is still hope (or a new hope)for the angry fan. See, as she explains it, Lucas will look around at all the new toys he has to play with to “complete his vision” in 15 or 20 years. He’ll look at the great toy and product options and we get our wish. Mace, thanks to 15 years of fan griping, will make a last minute escape/save in the new and improved Star Wars movies in the same fashion that Fett did. Hëll, with enough make up or improved effects you could even see Samuel back for the new scene.
Can you tell that she’s still ticked about the whole new versions thing? Didn’t think so.
Posted by Anthony Marrano:
>Has anyone else mentioned that Obi-Wan acts as
>if he’s never seen R2 before when Luke first
>finds him in ep IV? We can probably chalk this
>up to his whole deception (saing Vader killed
>Luke’s father…saying Anakin wanted Luke to
>have the lightsaber…etc), and it could be
>argued that he only says “I’ve never owned a
>droid.” But it’s the one piece of ROTS to ANH
>continuity that seems too stick out there for me
Ah, but in ANH, when Obi-Wan first sees R2D2–while Luke is unconscious–he says to Artoo “Come here, my little friend. Don’t be afraid.” Now knowing all the backstory between Obi-Wan and R2 in the prequels, one might be able to read a little more affection or familiarity into that line. When Luke’s conscious and aware, Obi-Wan’s tendency to dissemble and deceive comes up, but when it’s just R2D2 and Obi-Wan, it might be a different story.
Yeah, well, a nice excuse, but according to Mark Hamill, Lucas at the time of filming said they were supposed to have serious heft, like broadswords (tying in with the concept of Jedi KNIGHTS, I suppose.)
Lucas changed his approach to lightsaber duels between the first three films and the prequels. The first three portray the duels more as (Japanese) Samurai fights, but by the time Lucas got around to the prequels, he’d turned more toward Hong Kong wuxia ping films, with their acrobatic, high-speed, single-handed swordplay with the Jedi using the Force in ways similar to the way Hong Kong characters use shaolin.
On Anakin being fated to become evil or not:
I think that’s missing the point. I don’t think the point is whether or not Anakin was fated to become evil before he was born or not, even if some Sith did cause his birth. I think the point is that, at no point in his entire life until that crucial climax in Return of the Jedi did Anakin have control over his life. He was always a pawn of something, controlled by someone. When he makes the choice to stop Windu, he’s still chained down by feelings for Padme, beyond his control (he often talks in Episode 2 about how intense his need for her is).
He never has control of his life. It’s not that he’s evil, he’s just weak. Even as Darth Vader, he never does something he isn’t told. He’s always a puppet, through and through.
And then finally he breaks free by choosing to do something for the right reasons.
I don’t remember if I was first linked to it from here, or from somewhere else, but Cheeseburger Brown’s brilliant pseudo-blog, “The Darth Side: Memoirs of a Monster”, has in its penultimate entry one line that pierces to the heart of Anakin Skywalker, and Darth Vader:
“All my life, I have waited to stop being someone’s padawan.”
It wasn’t until he threw his former master down that shaft that Anakin was finally free of the whole teacher/learner dynamic. And, of course, changing his life cost him his life…
…ain’t that a bìŧçh…
Many of the questions in this thread are answered in the novelization. While often painful to read, it serves as a useful filling in of several issues including, but not limted to:
1. Why Palpatine wiped the floor with the 3 jedi with Mace.
2. Qui-gon and Yoda’s deal with exile (and, by the way, no one has considered that the reason Degobah seems “familiar” is because Yoda’s presence is there, as it was at his birth).
3. Several of the collapsed-time issues necessitated by the brisk pacing of the film.
Topping out at 400 pages, it still remains an easy read. Oddly, however, it skips the whole Chewbacca scene, and doesn’t give nearly enough credit to the clever and (honestly) vicious R2.
On the issue of painful reading: I don’t know what it takes to write a Star Wars book or novelization, Peter, but I must say that (having read several of your books, novelizations, and many, many of your comics), I would have greatly appreciated a talent like yours directed at such an “important” (large, wide-spread, massive) film.
Looking forward to the FF read, though.
Is it possible that Leia had two adoptive mothers, one who died when she was young, and one who raised her afterwards?
Also, am I the only one who was disappointed that Lucas spelled out every detail about the relationship between Anakin, Luke, and Leia? That pretty much screws any of the revelations that we got to enjoy when seeing the second trilogy first. Anyone who comes fresh to the series from now on won’t get the same impact when Vader tells Luke that he’s his father. And likewise when we learn that Leia is his sister, and Yoda’s whole “There is another” bit. I really wish Lucas would have left those details ambiguous.
BTW, did anyone else notice that when Grievous ignites his 4 sabres, this is a blatant homage to Harryhausen’s “Golden Voyage of Sinbad”?
“i always assumed she was talking about mrs. organa.”
that doesn’t really fit because she was smiling when she was handed leia. presumably she might have had some tragedy that would cause leia to remember her sad, but i would think that when luke asked her, due to their twin bond and force connection, she would know what he was talking about, especially since it looked like it would be public knowlege that she was adopted (aka leia knew she was adopted cause we all know lucas is a proponent of adoption).
Also, am I the only one who was disappointed that Lucas spelled out every detail about the relationship between Anakin, Luke, and Leia? That pretty much screws any of the revelations that we got to enjoy when seeing the second trilogy first. Anyone who comes fresh to the series from now on won’t get the same impact when Vader tells Luke that he’s his father. And likewise when we learn that Leia is his sister, and Yoda’s whole “There is another” bit. I really wish Lucas would have left those details ambiguous.
It’s an interesting question, what the viewing experience would be like to see these movies for the first time in Episode order 1-6, instead of the way we older viewers experienced them (4-6, 1-3) Some friends of friends with newborns have pledged to show the movies to the kids in 1-6 order, to see how their experience holds up.
A friend of mine wrote a fun article for metaphilm.com (at http://metaphilm.com/philm.php?id=416_0_2_0_M ) about fans’ involvement in fictional universes’ continuity. It also touches on current and future movie-watchers’ dilemma of viewing order of the Star Wars movies. I don’t know what I’ll do when my daughter’s old enough to appreciate them, but it’s an interesting question. (Not the most portentious of parenting decisions, admittedly…)
“BTW, did anyone else notice that when Grievous ignites his 4 sabres, this is a blatant homage to Harryhausen’s “Golden Voyage of Sinbad”?”
D’oh! I hadn’t noticed that but great call, Del.
Further musings:
I guess I didn’t see all the Clone Wars cartoons because Grevious was just a total badass in the ones I saw and in the film he was sort of a coward. I also question the way they gave him an almost Groucho Marx kind of walk–if he’s just wiggled his eye brows and said “I killed a Jedi in my pajamas!” it would have been perfect.
Was Bail Organa alive when Alderan was blown up? Maybe Lea’s mother was sad because of something that happened to him. Also, why is she a princess? Was Bail king? Why does Lucas seem to regard monarchy as the ideal political system?
Peter. I agree with you that Mace is not dead. Therefore YOU, Peter David, should write a trilogy of post ROTS books in which Mace helps start the fledgling rebellion and ends with a Vader/ Windu fight to the finish.
Incidentally, folks, my guess as to why we don’t see “phantom Qui-Gon” has to do with Liam Neeson’s stated feelings towards working on ‘The Phantom Menace’. (Which were, in case you haven’t heard, pretty unhappy. He talked at the time about quitting the profession altogether, if Lucas represented the future of cinema.)
I agree, the scene needed Qui-Gon to actually appear for it to work at all, but I also understand why he wasn’t in it.
Bill Mulligan: True, he never did any of that cool lightning from the hands stuff but then again, neither did Vader….which is odd since all the other Sith had it in their arsenal of tricks.
Luigi Novi: No they didn’t. Maul didn’t have it. Grievous didn’t have it. So Darth is simply one more who doesn’t. Only a minority of two–Palpatine and Dooku–had it.
At the end of ROTS, we have Yoda who only narrowly lost to Sidious and Obi-Wan who narrowly beat Vader. Why don’t Yoda and Obi-Wan team up against the Emperor right after that? Then, Vader would still (presumably) be weak and easy pickings.
Sure seems like a better strategy than waiting 20 years, giving a kid three weeks of training and hoping for the best.
Luigi Novi: No they didn’t. Maul didn’t have it. Grievous didn’t have it. So Darth is simply one more who doesn’t. Only a minority of two–Palpatine and Dooku–had it.
Since when is Grievous a Sith?
Why don´t Obi-Wan remember the droids in “A new hope”? sorry for my english
I assumed that Vader couldn’t use the Force lightning because he was mostly machine, which seems like as reasonable an explanation as any.
The movie was very,very good. Better than I expected. More later.
Now I am not so up and up on all my starwars knowledge,,, so You will never catch me playing star wars triviol pursuit.. BUT a few points that I took away from it I will dare to voice here anyways.
Leia- When she comments on her mother,, I always assumed that her adoptive mother died, and Organa remarried… ?? After seeing the first movie,, ObiWan was holding Luke while talking to Padme, the robot was holding Leia,, And Leia never said she knew she was adopted, so she could have fully believed that Organas first wife WAS her real mother.
Yoda and the “there is another” comment,, as far as I could understand he ment hope to bring balance to the force. NOT people in general. Obi would have known about Leia,, hëll he was on his way to SAVE her. Yoda said in the last movie something about misplaced faith in Anikin to Palpatine.. Yoda I think always knew it was Anikin, or had hope that it would be Anikin to finally destroy palpatine and the sith, since no one was as strong as he was in the force, Anikin was or will be the strongest,, even palpetine knew it.
Lars and the droids… Lars very well might not have been at the farm alot to know the droids either. He was not married yet,, so maybe he was out wooing his girl, then only came back when his dads new wife got abducted. Plus 3po did look totally different when he last saw him,, and there are alot of droids out there,, its like a needle in a haystack.
Anakins birth- Maybe when great knowit all sith was mucking around with it,, Anakin was created by accident without anyones knowledge.. Schmi was a slave,, who knows wehre she was or where he was when it happened or if there is any restrictions on distance it affects. Long dead master might have had a incling that it happened, or maybe palpetine knew from Anikin that Schmi told him she was nocked up by nothing and he LIED about it to seduce anikin… or palpetine puts two and two together and voila, so THATS what my dead master was talking about,,, HMMMM
Vader doesn’t use Sith lightning (nor is he immune to it) because he no longer has his own hands. It’s explained in the Episode 3 Visual Dictionary.
I’d also ahve thought it more effective if Palpatine had claimed that Ob-Wan had killed her or that the Jedi were directly responsible. That pushes him further to the Dark Side.
On the contrary, Anakin having killed her (directly or indirectly) — or at least believing he had killed her — cements him more firmly in Palpatine’s pocket.
It’s a standard indoctrination technique: Get your subject to commit an act that completely goes against his moral code. If they go through with it, most people will find some way to rationalize having done it… usually your authority, or the “cause” they think they’re fighting for. Throughout the whole movie Palpatine makes Anakin do more and more despicable acts. First killing an unarmed prisoner, then turning against Mace Windu, then slaughtering the Jedi children. And now he’s sacrificed Padme and their children for the sake of the Empire.
Quick comment regarding the Jedi being caught flat – according to the book (had to read it after seeing the move – LOL): pg 349 – something about war, clouding perceptions and the fact that the clones had no malice, etc to trigger any warnings in the Jedi. Nice explanation but I didn’t pick up on it in the movie, but then maybe I was just sucked into the eye candy…
Re: Force Lightning
Luigi Novi: “No they didn’t. Maul didn’t have it. Grievous didn’t have it. So Darth is simply one more who doesn’t. Only a minority of two–Palpatine and Dooku–had it.”
Though I would never credit a video game for being the authority on Star Wars matters, the sub-par Phantom Menace game, which featured Darth Maul as the final boss, did show him using Force Lightning.
“Grievous didn’t have it.”
I don’t think Grievous could have been Sith–there can only be two and Dooku was alive for most of the war. I suppose Grievous could have become the new apprentice after Dooku’s death but there’s no reason to believe that.
But you’re right that Darth Maul couldn’t do it either–or he just never felt the need to (he pretty much cleaned the floor with both guys and would have won had he not dicked around when Obi was apparently helpless.
Bill, there can be more then two sith at a time, there just can’t be more than two dark lords.
As for Grievous, it has been stated numerously that he is not adept in the ways of the force. I read in SW Insider that a collection of short comics is coming out by the name of “SW: RotS Visonary” (or something to that effect), which contains a story about the birth of Grievous. Also, there is a mini about the character by Dixon, but I haven’t got past the first issue, so I don’t know if it goes into the birth of Grievous.
http://www.uri-geller.com
Bill, there can be more then two sith at a time, there just can’t be more than two dark lords.
Is this right? Because my recollection of the conversation between Mace Windu and Yoda at the end of Ep 1 had Mace confirming that the assassin they killed–Darth Maul–was a Sith. Then Yoda says they have to keep an eye out for the other one, for there are always 2 Sith, no more and no less, one master and one apprentice. Then Mace muses about which one Maul was, the apprentice or the master. (Then we cut to a bunch of folks standing at Qui-Gon’s byre, and the camera pans across to finally rest on Palpatine. Which caused some fans in the know to go “oooh!”, and some clever non-fan movie-goers to figure out that Palpatine was a more sinister guy than he appears.)
“Vader doesn’t use Sith lightning”
Go Sith Lightning, you’re burning up the Jedi Knights
(Sith Lightning! Go Sith Lightning)
Go Sith Lightning, you’re good to have around in fights
(Sith Lightning! Go Sith Lightning)
I am Supreme! My victims scream
From Sith Lightning!
PAD
Was Bail Organa alive when Alderan was blown up?
Since the radio dramas are considered to be canon…yep, he was, as he was in at least one episode taking place immediately prior to the Tantive IV‘s mission to retrieve the Death Star plans at the beginning of the movie.
No, I’m fairly certain that there can’t be more than 2 Sith at a time, master and apprentice.
And, because I’m really bored waiting for my friend to get out of work so we can go to Jillians, I even looked it up on Wikipedia… you can check the entry out here.
I’ll stop nerding out now… 🙂
-eD!
I’m pretty sure what Padme said before she died was “There’s still good in him,” which I think is a line used somewhere in 4 – 6, too.
As for Owen recognizing C3PO, I now take this to be an act of valor on Owen’s part; once R2D2 and C3PO came around, he knew the jig was up. Certainly, even if he didn’t recognize the droids, he knew what he was doing sending Luke to see Obi-Wan Kenobi. Adds a whole level of bravery to Owen and Beru’s characters.
PAD says:
Go Sith Lightning, you’re burning up the Jedi Knights
(Sith Lightning! Go Sith Lightning)
Go Sith Lightning, you’re good to have around in fights
(Sith Lightning! Go Sith Lightning)
I am Supreme! My victims scream
From Sith Lightning!
It can’t be said enough; you are a genius.
Quick question: When does R2-D2 lose the power of flight?
There are only two Sith at any one time – as far as the Jedi know. They could be wrong, you know – remember how certain the librarian was that if the Jedi archives didn’t mention Kamino, it didn’t exist?
I’m guessing R2 lost the power of flight about the time he ran out of fuel, and nobody around understood that “Beep beeep BEEP >whirrr
Randall Kirby
Watching the prequels and then watching the originals, you are just amazed by how sucky a jedi Luke Skywalker is – he’s slow, he can’t do half the stuff the original jedi could…hëll, he didn’t even complete his training. He just showed up on Dagobah and said. “Well, I’m a jedi now. Yep.”
Well…at least Luke is able to have a relationship and get married out in the open. Good thing he decided to ditch that aspect of the Jedi.
Meanwhile…I’ve seen it twice (once because I went with family and that’s what they wanted to see and another time because I’d already promised someone I’d go with them) and thought it was pretty bad both times. Neither time did I see the vastly improved acting of Hayden. The only acting I liked was the bits of the Emperor peeking thru Palpatine and the “you were the chosen one!” scene. Beyond that everyone was same lifeless uninteresting characters they’d been since ep 1.
Some of the lightsaber stuff was pretty cool, too.
In fact, after my first viewing, my mental review was “it looked pretty, but was dull” – or just “pretty dull.”
I took the Vader primal scream as the death (for now) of Anakin Skywalker. The Republic is gone, his friends, mentors and wife killed by his own hand. So, I understood it. It would have been better placed in the story when Palpatine finds him by the lava pit, or just as the mask was being put on. Having said that, I consider it relatively minor. About the only other minor nitpick I’ve got is why did Yoda retreat? He knew he was going to fight Palpatine. The battle seemed to be going fairly evenly – it’s not like Yoda got his butt kicked. That was the only part that didn’t ring true to me. The rest was good.
Kudos to Lucas, though, he did this one right.
Okay, I’m sure this won’t hold much water because it’s a video game for X-box; however, it’s on the Starwars.com page and it’s considered the “expanded universe.”
It takes place 4000 years before Episode 1, it’s Knights of the Old Republic! (Awesome game… Part 1 and 2).
There was ONE dark lord and an army of sith. Shoot, a planet full of sith, with a temple dedicated to training them!
Since Episode 1 – 6 is over and done with, I think it would be pretty neat to make a movie based on KoTR.. Revan and Malak @.@
KOTOR is also avaialble for PC and Mac:-)
At some point (I guess in the TOTJ comics) the Sith go to war with themeselves because they’re too evil and too powerful…Eventualy, they wipe themselves out to the final 2, and start the only 2 thing, so they don’t start fighting again.
So you get 2 Sith Lords at any given point, but tons of Dark Jedi running around.
Thing to remember, is that “Sith” is just a religion, a certain way of looking at the Force which gets certain powers like sith lightning…just like the “Living Force” guys get the come back as ghosts thing…
Regarding Anakin’s origins:
It was a rumor before Episode 2 came out, that Sidious impregnated Anakin’s mom and he wiped her mind.
If you watch ROTS again, Palpatine has a cocky grin when he talks about the Sith lord getting killed in his sleep by his apprentice AFTER TEACHING HIS APPRENTICE EVERYTHING HE KNEW. That implies that Palpatine was the apprentice, or that he learned the creating life trick from his master, who was the apprentice. Or that knowledge was just passed down from Sith to Sith.
It’s long been my opinion, that Luke WASN’T a Jedi. He was shone just enough to beat Vader, and maybe the emperor, but not enough to really be a Jedi. That makes the proposed title to episode 6: “Revenge of The Jedi” a little more plausible. All Luke was was a weapon for Obi-Wan and Yoda to use against the Sith. Which goes a ways towards explaining Ob-Wan’s lies to Luke. “Tell him anything that’ll get him to kill the Sith.”
And the explanation of the scar on Han’s chin? A few years back, they did a second Young Han Solo trilogy, and the explained it away in that set of books too.
And even if Mace survived the fall, and some Jedi didn’t get killed yet, Vader still has sixteen or so years to find them and kill them.
I liked Episode 3, it was better than 1, and on par or better than 2. WAY better than 4, but my nostalgia for that flick disappeared years ago.
Matt
(“Go Sith Lightning” man that’s gonna be stuck in my head for days!)
Regarding Anakin’s origins:
It was a rumor before Episode 2 came out, that Sidious impregnated Anakin’s mom and he wiped her mind.
If you watch ROTS again, Palpatine has a cocky grin when he talks about the Sith lord getting killed in his sleep by his apprentice AFTER TEACHING HIS APPRENTICE EVERYTHING HE KNEW. That implies that Palpatine was the apprentice, or that he learned the creating life trick from his master, who was the apprentice. Or that knowledge was just passed down from Sith to Sith.
It’s long been my opinion, that Luke WASN’T a Jedi. He was shone just enough to beat Vader, and maybe the emperor, but not enough to really be a Jedi. That makes the proposed title to episode 6: “Revenge of The Jedi” a little more plausible.
And the explanation of the scar on Han’s chin? A few years back, they did a second Young Han Solo trilogy, and the explained it away in that set of books too.
And even if Mace survived the fall, and some Jedi didn’t get killed yet, Vader still has sixteen or so years to find them and kill them.
I liked Episode 3, it was better than 1, and on par or better than 2. WAY better than 4, but my nostalgia for that flick disappeared years ago.
Matt
(“Go Sith Lightning” man that’s gonna be stuck in my head for days!)
Not sure if this has been suggested or not but…
As for Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru not remembering the droids… especially 3PO… well consider that both Owen and Beru were most definately in on the plot to hide Luke from Vader… And Vader from Luke… Owen seemed to be very proactive in keeping Annakin’s past away from Luke. Buying familiar droids just on suspicion, as well as on needed function, seems likely to me. Especially if they’re talking about space battles and Obi-Wan Kenobi… I mean they’re going to get their memory wiped anyway..
…[Owen] knew what he was doing sending Luke to see Obi-Wan Kenobi…
But…Owen didn’t send Luke to see Obi-Wan. He told Luke that Obi-Wan was “just a crazy old wizard,” then instructed him to take the droids for memory wipes first thing in the morning. It was Artoo’s “jailbreak” to go find Obi-Wan that took Luke to Obi-Wan.
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At some point (I guess in the TOTJ comics) the Sith go to war with themeselves because they’re too evil and too powerful…Eventualy, they wipe themselves out to the final 2, and start the only 2 thing, so they don’t start fighting again.
For those interested, the beginnings of the “only 2” rule are shown in Dark Horse’s mini series Jedi vs. Sith.
Everyone keeps talking about Padme’s last words before dying – but am I the only one who thinks that perhaps she is not dead? In the funeral procession, there was a definite Padme-look-a-like (in all white robes and makeup, as i recall) in the procession. While it would be incredibly stupid for someone going into hiding to be in their own procession, my immediate thought was that they faked Padme’s death.
As I recall, R2D2 belonged to Anakin, not Obi-Wan…so when he said, I’ve never owned a droid…he wasn’t lying.