26 comments on “CAPTAIN MARVEL #17–WHAD’JA THINK?”
I’ve got no idea where it’s going, and I don’t care. I’m having a blast!
Every single time you’ve painted yourself into a corner, PAD, you’ve found a way out that I didn’t expect (but was obvious once you pointed it out).
I expect no less this time (no pressure).
As always, a pleasure
I’ve loved Iron Man since I was a kid, but Marv is slowly becoming my must read.
Great issue. Question for you though, Peter. Are you retconning the appearence of Genis’s mother in volume 2 before he messed with time?
Peter,
Is there going to be a move away from them doing the colors directly over the pencils instead of using an inker? I’ve mentioned before how I feel that this makes the artwork look muddy and this issue was the worst one yet. There are several pages where characters faces are reduced to little more than smudges.
Don’t take this as a threat but if they intend to keep on doing the art this way I’ll be dropping the book. As much as possible I like to be able to read a book and enjoy both the story and the art. With this issue the art made it diffcult to enjoy the story. As much a fan of yours as I am I would rather spend my $3.00 on a book that I can enjoy more fully.
Doug Hancock
Cincinnati, OH 45230
So next issue, is Marv going to share his cosmic awareness with a crippled orphan and call the lad “Junior?”
Is Eros going to don the red-and-blue longjohns and call himself “Uncle Marvel?”
Will Marv have Snowbird become a white hare, just so she can be the “Marvel Bunny?”
Will Rick try to gather together some of Mar-Vell’s pals so they can call themselves “F.O.O.M.?”
The answers to these (and other) questions may (or, more likely, may NOT) be in the next exciting issue!
(BTW, I’m really digging Captain Marvel lately!)
Very Good issue and it the first real cliff hanger we’ve seen for a while. So, it looks like the whole insanty arc is drawing to a close. It would be kinda abrupt to end it next issue, but maybe in the next arc. BTW, that whole “lying in a coma since issue one” thing that Phyla hinted at… You wouldn’t really do that to us would you? I still have this fear that Marlo is going to turn out to be possessed by the Leader because of an off-hand you made in an April Fool’s Bullpen Bulletins way back when.
One more thing, Now that Jemas is on the way out are we going to start getting more covers that have something to do with actual inside story again?
My biggest gripe is that the method of coloring used makes the artwork look way too muddy and it’s distracting (yes, to that point where I have to object to it). And I agree with the previous poster, this particular issue was the worst instance of this new coloring style to date. Is there any particular reasoning for this choice of coloring? Is the colorist just trying to be fancy and artsy ro something?
Oh, BTW, the story was enjoyable. 🙂
-Dennis
ps – BRING BACK MARLO!
Amen to the Marlo comment – (I kinda miss the flavour of the first series.
And I agree on the artwork — it just doesn’t look good. What this book needs is a good penciller, if possible WITH an inker.
I really enjoy Captain Marvel, but the insanity thing has worn thin for a while now. I really hope this arc puts an end to it.
Maybe, when Genis is sane again, their world will snap back to normal and actually have black line definition and legible images! Bring back an inker to this book, it deserves to look as good as it reads!
Larry Horse says, “Captain Marvel, too smudgy!”
OK, I’m getting the idea that the whole no-inks/smudgy colors deal is a way to show that Genis is seeing things in a crazy-sorta-way, and I’ll accept it for that until I’m told otherwise why we should have to struggle through this difficult to see style.
Anyway, I enjoyed this issue very much, and I hope we haven’t seen the last of Mary Mar-Vell when this story is over. That way we can keep both costumes and have two good characters.
–your pal, Hoy
WOW! Captain Marvel has been my favorite title since its inception, and this issue is a prime example of everything I love about the series, tenfold! The great characterizations, the action, the social commentary, the imaginative story twists and loops… Mr. David, you make good cookies!
As for the art, I thought the penciling was great, the layouts were solid and both the figures and the backgrounds showed a great attention to detail and mood. I do agree that an inker is needed to ‘sharpen’ some of the images, but the penciller and the colorist are doing great jobs! Let’s just bring in an inker to make us all beg for buttermilk!
Eric ‘the Squish’ Weatherhead
Re: CAPTAIN MARVEL #17
Good story but you guys miscredited the wrong cover artist.
Give Scott Kolins his proper credit.
It was a great cover!!!
Eric Sellers
Lebanon, Pa
(okay to print)
Dear “Go Nuts!”,
After a too long run of lackluster artwork on this series, we finally see a solid body of work with Azeceta (and Sotomayor, of course). I think he’s a keeper. As a comic fan, I want a series that is a marriage of stunning plot, dialogue, and artwork. Peter is an excellent writer, but the dialogue often reads uninspired if the artwork is weak. I would think that about anyone. If Marvel hired Kurt Vonnegut to write for New X-Men and threw some hack in the mix to do the artwork then I would feel the same (though Vonnegut could probably just illustrate it himself with a sharpie and then I would buy it). I still miss Cross’s facial expressions and animated hand gestures, but I think this guy is pretty dámņ good.
Now, onto the fanboy demands: I want subplots and supporting cast members! One of the elements that I so dearly love about PAD’s work is his ability to bring to life the world around a hero. We’ve seen so much of Genis and Rick and the universe shattering dramas swirling around them that we readers haven’t had a chance to breath, to laugh, to feel connected to the “little people”…Subplots and relationships flesh out a character and enliven the plots. Most of what we’ve seen so far is Rick and Genis, Rick and Genis, and that’s starting to read like “Castaway” with Tom Hanks and “Wilson”. (All right, I admit it. That metaphor was an exaggeration. Nothing could be that boring!) That’s why it’s good that PAD’s introduced Genis’ mother and sister. It makes for more riveting and personally invested drama. I’m sure he has his reasoning behind all of this. The stakes are higher. We’re not in Kansas anymore. But I still want to see people like Marlo, and Moondragon, and the chainsmoking ghost-girl with her smart-ášš remarks…or at least a new set of people to fall in love with.
Ronn Desrosiers
Plainville, CT 06062
(permission to print)
I loved it!
This is the third or fourth issue that had me laughing out loud at some of the moments. I really loved the mindgames Phyla played with Genis, and I hope she sticks around. It was almost like watching Bugs Bunny outwit Elmer Fudd.
Just read it; I’m more confused than normal. Is Genis really in a coma and is this his conciousness trying to sort the potential of cosmic awareness out? Is this a different universe? Are his mother and sister just an aftershock of rebooting the universe? Is any of this real? (Well, it is a comic book, so the answer is no; I’m speaking from a continuity point-of-view)
As to the upcoming arc, which you alluded to and previews telegraphed, ( maybe you should ask for what Strazinski has, “read it cause it’s good”) hasn’t this already been covered in Avengers Forever and Maximum Security?
And will someone please tell me why the Kree are Kree again? I imagine that when they realized that the evolutionary bump made them just like the Skrulls, they found a way to reverse it.
Regarding Fallen Angel, I’m only up to issue 3, but now I want to give it a closer look. Why must you be so darn talented? And I emailed about catching up on New Frontier and I found my answer ie, Stone and Anvil.
I look forward to watching the mystery regarding why Genis is really insane slowly unfold over the coming years. I’m sure you’re laying hints that are just going over my head right now but when the answers are revealed sometime in or around 2010, President Clinton and I will be kicking ourselves for not seeing what was obviously right there in front of us all along.
End sarcasm.
The dialogue as always was fantastic.
Back to sarcasm.
By the way if it was Jemas who told you to fill the Microverse with only throwaway characters and to make it about as interesting a place as the trunk of my car, I just wanted to let you know that I think he’s gone now.
P.S. If she’s going to be around for a while, I can’t wait to see what happens when Phyla slams her nega-bands together. I’m hoping she trades places back and forth with Marlo (possibly left on Titan by Moondragon) in and out of the Ultimate Universe, the New Universe, or even Howard the Duck’s universe (picture Marlo in a universe of talking ducks with a thing for readheads) or someplace equally fun, interesting, or goofy.
And will someone please tell me why the Kree are Kree again?
They never stopped being the Kree–they just had an evolutionary jump. They called themselves the Ruul for a while–but that was only to keep their identity secret until they were prepared to strike.
Now that everyone knows the Kree are the Ruul, they have gone back to calling themselves Kree again, and can go back to their original appearance.
They still have their form-adapting powers, but they no longer have the need to disguise themselves.
Is this not a letter col anymore.
And Dermie – the Kree-as-Ruul weren’t true shapeshifters the way the Skrulls are. They could shift between smart/weak, strong/stupid and mindless/feral forms, but that was it. The Supreme Intelligence described it as “forced evolution” – the mindless/feral form was meant to be animalistic, the strong/stupid caveman and the smart/weak one modern/future man.
I have to admit, I wasn’t thrilled with the new change in art style when it was first introduced, but I really love the way the new issue looked. ( Especially the opening two-page splash. )
The art style reminds me of styles seen in the original Epic magazine years ago.
Great story! Excitedly waiting for the conclusion. I do have some questions though: Why was Captain America the only hero taken out by the inter-galactic forces in the pages 2 – 3 spread? And was he driving a Yugo? Talk about being caught dead driving one…
And Dermie – the Kree-as-Ruul weren’t true shapeshifters the way the Skrulls are. They could shift between smart/weak, strong/stupid and mindless/feral forms, but that was it
I am aware of that (which is why I said “form adapting” and not shapeshifting).
However, I don’t recall it ever saying that they could not return to their original appearance after the need for deception was over.
> However, I don’t recall it ever saying that they could not return to their original appearance after the need for deception was over.
Well, there was the storyline from CM v3 25 or so, with the SI turning more Kree into Ruul, after Maximum Security was done. And the SI’s whole worldview is based on the need to evolve, not regress. And, since the blue human wasn’t in the Ruul’s gamut of forms, he’d basically need to undo all the changes to turn them back.
Peter,
Well, it looks as if Captain Marvel’s insanity might be drawing to a close, but as his confusion seems to be on the way out, mine just keeps on increasing. Not that I’m complaining, mind, just making an observation.
I still can’t get over Phyla. I keep waiting for the never-before-revealed younger brother, Speceez, to make his appearance.
The actual storyline itself is going in some nice, unexpected directions. As to the art, I have to assume the muddied look is an attempt to reflect the damaged worldview of the main character.
Overall, nice work. I look forward to the next issue.
Oh, yeah, and it was nice to see my boy back from the dead and making some good points.
Best,
Rick Jones
Charlotte, NC
Well, there was the storyline from CM v3 25 or so, with the SI turning more Kree into Ruul, after Maximum Security was done. And the SI’s whole worldview is based on the need to evolve, not regress. And, since the blue human wasn’t in the Ruul’s gamut of forms, he’d basically need to undo all the changes to turn them back.
Who says there was any regression?
Changing their APPEARANCE to look like they used to does not mean that all of the genetic changes were reversed.
I know that all of the Kree have been evolved now (except for Una-Rogg; she is supposedly the last one left).
So, if all of the Kree were evolved into Ruul, and the Kree we are seeing in Captain Marvel have the old appearance, then the Ruul MUST be able to take on their old appearance. We can SEE it in the book.
Unless you have another explanation?
>>> I know that all of the Kree have been evolved now (except for Una-Rogg; she is supposedly the last one left).
So, if all of the Kree were evolved into Ruul, and the Kree we are seeing in Captain Marvel have the old appearance, then the Ruul MUST be able to take on their old appearance. We can SEE it in the book.
Unless you have another explanation? <<<
Several explanations come to mind:
This being a universe that Genis helped make, the Kree are back to being their non-Ruul selves…
Or maybe this is an alternate time-burp or someting, were the Kree never changed to the Ruul…
Or maybe Thanos changed them back when he remade the universe…
Or maybe the artist (etc.) thought the Kree looked better this way, & tossed Continuity out on its can…
Anyway,
I’like the art, overall, but I, too, would like to see it sharpen up. Some of the panels are a bit “muddy”.
The story… the dialog…
I’m happy. Great read. Can hardly wait for the next issue.
I love clift-hanger endings!
Dale
PS: Go see LOTR: The Return of the King.
This being a universe that Genis helped make, the Kree are back to being their non-Ruul selves
CM joined the Kree army before he destroyed the universe in issue(3?) and they were in their blue, Romaneque glory.
Peter, maybe you can write a story about this,a face-off between the Supreme Intelligence and the Intelligencia.
Still, it’s funny thinking the Kree have fixed alternate forms like the Transformers.
• 
I’ve got no idea where it’s going, and I don’t care. I’m having a blast!
Every single time you’ve painted yourself into a corner, PAD, you’ve found a way out that I didn’t expect (but was obvious once you pointed it out).
I expect no less this time (no pressure).
As always, a pleasure
I’ve loved Iron Man since I was a kid, but Marv is slowly becoming my must read.
Great issue. Question for you though, Peter. Are you retconning the appearence of Genis’s mother in volume 2 before he messed with time?
Peter,
Is there going to be a move away from them doing the colors directly over the pencils instead of using an inker? I’ve mentioned before how I feel that this makes the artwork look muddy and this issue was the worst one yet. There are several pages where characters faces are reduced to little more than smudges.
Don’t take this as a threat but if they intend to keep on doing the art this way I’ll be dropping the book. As much as possible I like to be able to read a book and enjoy both the story and the art. With this issue the art made it diffcult to enjoy the story. As much a fan of yours as I am I would rather spend my $3.00 on a book that I can enjoy more fully.
Doug Hancock
Cincinnati, OH 45230
So next issue, is Marv going to share his cosmic awareness with a crippled orphan and call the lad “Junior?”
Is Eros going to don the red-and-blue longjohns and call himself “Uncle Marvel?”
Will Marv have Snowbird become a white hare, just so she can be the “Marvel Bunny?”
Will Rick try to gather together some of Mar-Vell’s pals so they can call themselves “F.O.O.M.?”
The answers to these (and other) questions may (or, more likely, may NOT) be in the next exciting issue!
(BTW, I’m really digging Captain Marvel lately!)
Very Good issue and it the first real cliff hanger we’ve seen for a while. So, it looks like the whole insanty arc is drawing to a close. It would be kinda abrupt to end it next issue, but maybe in the next arc. BTW, that whole “lying in a coma since issue one” thing that Phyla hinted at… You wouldn’t really do that to us would you? I still have this fear that Marlo is going to turn out to be possessed by the Leader because of an off-hand you made in an April Fool’s Bullpen Bulletins way back when.
One more thing, Now that Jemas is on the way out are we going to start getting more covers that have something to do with actual inside story again?
My biggest gripe is that the method of coloring used makes the artwork look way too muddy and it’s distracting (yes, to that point where I have to object to it). And I agree with the previous poster, this particular issue was the worst instance of this new coloring style to date. Is there any particular reasoning for this choice of coloring? Is the colorist just trying to be fancy and artsy ro something?
Oh, BTW, the story was enjoyable. 🙂
-Dennis
ps – BRING BACK MARLO!
Amen to the Marlo comment – (I kinda miss the flavour of the first series.
And I agree on the artwork — it just doesn’t look good. What this book needs is a good penciller, if possible WITH an inker.
I really enjoy Captain Marvel, but the insanity thing has worn thin for a while now. I really hope this arc puts an end to it.
Maybe, when Genis is sane again, their world will snap back to normal and actually have black line definition and legible images! Bring back an inker to this book, it deserves to look as good as it reads!
Larry Horse says, “Captain Marvel, too smudgy!”
OK, I’m getting the idea that the whole no-inks/smudgy colors deal is a way to show that Genis is seeing things in a crazy-sorta-way, and I’ll accept it for that until I’m told otherwise why we should have to struggle through this difficult to see style.
Anyway, I enjoyed this issue very much, and I hope we haven’t seen the last of Mary Mar-Vell when this story is over. That way we can keep both costumes and have two good characters.
–your pal, Hoy
WOW! Captain Marvel has been my favorite title since its inception, and this issue is a prime example of everything I love about the series, tenfold! The great characterizations, the action, the social commentary, the imaginative story twists and loops… Mr. David, you make good cookies!
As for the art, I thought the penciling was great, the layouts were solid and both the figures and the backgrounds showed a great attention to detail and mood. I do agree that an inker is needed to ‘sharpen’ some of the images, but the penciller and the colorist are doing great jobs! Let’s just bring in an inker to make us all beg for buttermilk!
Eric ‘the Squish’ Weatherhead
Re: CAPTAIN MARVEL #17
Good story but you guys miscredited the wrong cover artist.
Give Scott Kolins his proper credit.
It was a great cover!!!
Eric Sellers
Lebanon, Pa
(okay to print)
Dear “Go Nuts!”,
After a too long run of lackluster artwork on this series, we finally see a solid body of work with Azeceta (and Sotomayor, of course). I think he’s a keeper. As a comic fan, I want a series that is a marriage of stunning plot, dialogue, and artwork. Peter is an excellent writer, but the dialogue often reads uninspired if the artwork is weak. I would think that about anyone. If Marvel hired Kurt Vonnegut to write for New X-Men and threw some hack in the mix to do the artwork then I would feel the same (though Vonnegut could probably just illustrate it himself with a sharpie and then I would buy it). I still miss Cross’s facial expressions and animated hand gestures, but I think this guy is pretty dámņ good.
Now, onto the fanboy demands: I want subplots and supporting cast members! One of the elements that I so dearly love about PAD’s work is his ability to bring to life the world around a hero. We’ve seen so much of Genis and Rick and the universe shattering dramas swirling around them that we readers haven’t had a chance to breath, to laugh, to feel connected to the “little people”…Subplots and relationships flesh out a character and enliven the plots. Most of what we’ve seen so far is Rick and Genis, Rick and Genis, and that’s starting to read like “Castaway” with Tom Hanks and “Wilson”. (All right, I admit it. That metaphor was an exaggeration. Nothing could be that boring!) That’s why it’s good that PAD’s introduced Genis’ mother and sister. It makes for more riveting and personally invested drama. I’m sure he has his reasoning behind all of this. The stakes are higher. We’re not in Kansas anymore. But I still want to see people like Marlo, and Moondragon, and the chainsmoking ghost-girl with her smart-ášš remarks…or at least a new set of people to fall in love with.
Ronn Desrosiers
Plainville, CT 06062
(permission to print)
I loved it!
This is the third or fourth issue that had me laughing out loud at some of the moments. I really loved the mindgames Phyla played with Genis, and I hope she sticks around. It was almost like watching Bugs Bunny outwit Elmer Fudd.
Just read it; I’m more confused than normal. Is Genis really in a coma and is this his conciousness trying to sort the potential of cosmic awareness out? Is this a different universe? Are his mother and sister just an aftershock of rebooting the universe? Is any of this real? (Well, it is a comic book, so the answer is no; I’m speaking from a continuity point-of-view)
As to the upcoming arc, which you alluded to and previews telegraphed, ( maybe you should ask for what Strazinski has, “read it cause it’s good”) hasn’t this already been covered in Avengers Forever and Maximum Security?
And will someone please tell me why the Kree are Kree again? I imagine that when they realized that the evolutionary bump made them just like the Skrulls, they found a way to reverse it.
Regarding Fallen Angel, I’m only up to issue 3, but now I want to give it a closer look. Why must you be so darn talented? And I emailed about catching up on New Frontier and I found my answer ie, Stone and Anvil.
I look forward to watching the mystery regarding why Genis is really insane slowly unfold over the coming years. I’m sure you’re laying hints that are just going over my head right now but when the answers are revealed sometime in or around 2010, President Clinton and I will be kicking ourselves for not seeing what was obviously right there in front of us all along.
End sarcasm.
The dialogue as always was fantastic.
Back to sarcasm.
By the way if it was Jemas who told you to fill the Microverse with only throwaway characters and to make it about as interesting a place as the trunk of my car, I just wanted to let you know that I think he’s gone now.
P.S. If she’s going to be around for a while, I can’t wait to see what happens when Phyla slams her nega-bands together. I’m hoping she trades places back and forth with Marlo (possibly left on Titan by Moondragon) in and out of the Ultimate Universe, the New Universe, or even Howard the Duck’s universe (picture Marlo in a universe of talking ducks with a thing for readheads) or someplace equally fun, interesting, or goofy.
And will someone please tell me why the Kree are Kree again?
They never stopped being the Kree–they just had an evolutionary jump. They called themselves the Ruul for a while–but that was only to keep their identity secret until they were prepared to strike.
Now that everyone knows the Kree are the Ruul, they have gone back to calling themselves Kree again, and can go back to their original appearance.
They still have their form-adapting powers, but they no longer have the need to disguise themselves.
Is this not a letter col anymore.
And Dermie – the Kree-as-Ruul weren’t true shapeshifters the way the Skrulls are. They could shift between smart/weak, strong/stupid and mindless/feral forms, but that was it. The Supreme Intelligence described it as “forced evolution” – the mindless/feral form was meant to be animalistic, the strong/stupid caveman and the smart/weak one modern/future man.
I have to admit, I wasn’t thrilled with the new change in art style when it was first introduced, but I really love the way the new issue looked. ( Especially the opening two-page splash. )
The art style reminds me of styles seen in the original Epic magazine years ago.
Great story! Excitedly waiting for the conclusion. I do have some questions though: Why was Captain America the only hero taken out by the inter-galactic forces in the pages 2 – 3 spread? And was he driving a Yugo? Talk about being caught dead driving one…
And Dermie – the Kree-as-Ruul weren’t true shapeshifters the way the Skrulls are. They could shift between smart/weak, strong/stupid and mindless/feral forms, but that was it
I am aware of that (which is why I said “form adapting” and not shapeshifting).
However, I don’t recall it ever saying that they could not return to their original appearance after the need for deception was over.
> However, I don’t recall it ever saying that they could not return to their original appearance after the need for deception was over.
Well, there was the storyline from CM v3 25 or so, with the SI turning more Kree into Ruul, after Maximum Security was done. And the SI’s whole worldview is based on the need to evolve, not regress. And, since the blue human wasn’t in the Ruul’s gamut of forms, he’d basically need to undo all the changes to turn them back.
Peter,
Well, it looks as if Captain Marvel’s insanity might be drawing to a close, but as his confusion seems to be on the way out, mine just keeps on increasing. Not that I’m complaining, mind, just making an observation.
I still can’t get over Phyla. I keep waiting for the never-before-revealed younger brother, Speceez, to make his appearance.
The actual storyline itself is going in some nice, unexpected directions. As to the art, I have to assume the muddied look is an attempt to reflect the damaged worldview of the main character.
Overall, nice work. I look forward to the next issue.
Oh, yeah, and it was nice to see my boy back from the dead and making some good points.
Best,
Rick Jones
Charlotte, NC
Well, there was the storyline from CM v3 25 or so, with the SI turning more Kree into Ruul, after Maximum Security was done. And the SI’s whole worldview is based on the need to evolve, not regress. And, since the blue human wasn’t in the Ruul’s gamut of forms, he’d basically need to undo all the changes to turn them back.
Who says there was any regression?
Changing their APPEARANCE to look like they used to does not mean that all of the genetic changes were reversed.
I know that all of the Kree have been evolved now (except for Una-Rogg; she is supposedly the last one left).
So, if all of the Kree were evolved into Ruul, and the Kree we are seeing in Captain Marvel have the old appearance, then the Ruul MUST be able to take on their old appearance. We can SEE it in the book.
Unless you have another explanation?
>>> I know that all of the Kree have been evolved now (except for Una-Rogg; she is supposedly the last one left).
So, if all of the Kree were evolved into Ruul, and the Kree we are seeing in Captain Marvel have the old appearance, then the Ruul MUST be able to take on their old appearance. We can SEE it in the book.
Unless you have another explanation? <<<
Several explanations come to mind:
This being a universe that Genis helped make, the Kree are back to being their non-Ruul selves…
Or maybe this is an alternate time-burp or someting, were the Kree never changed to the Ruul…
Or maybe Thanos changed them back when he remade the universe…
Or maybe the artist (etc.) thought the Kree looked better this way, & tossed Continuity out on its can…
Anyway,
I’like the art, overall, but I, too, would like to see it sharpen up. Some of the panels are a bit “muddy”.
The story… the dialog…
I’m happy. Great read. Can hardly wait for the next issue.
I love clift-hanger endings!
Dale
PS: Go see LOTR: The Return of the King.
This being a universe that Genis helped make, the Kree are back to being their non-Ruul selves
CM joined the Kree army before he destroyed the universe in issue(3?) and they were in their blue, Romaneque glory.
Peter, maybe you can write a story about this,a face-off between the Supreme Intelligence and the Intelligencia.
Still, it’s funny thinking the Kree have fixed alternate forms like the Transformers.
“Ronan the Accuser, Terrorize!”