John McCain was so punchy that he got up in front of a crowd in Western Pennsylvania and accidentally said that he agreed with comments allegedly put forward by others that Western Pennsylvania is filled with racists.
And all I could picture was the Doctor standing toward the back of the rally and saying quietly to reporters within earshot, “Don’t you think he looks tired?”
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Jason, you should know by now that context has no place in attack politics. All that matters is being able to find a string of words your opponent said and twist it to crucify them. If Obama wins, we’ll be attacked by terrorists while Obama is busy turning us into a socialist nation. After all, it’s just what Biden and Obama themselves said!
Scott C:
“John McCain… Don’t you think he looks tired?”
Bumper sticker, now. It’s a moral imperative.
Well, I’m no graphic artist, but see what you can make of this…
http://tinyurl.com/5j3tab
I’m quite pleased with the use of the Doctor Who font for the text. 🙂
This one has just the text, if someone wants to try a better image of McCain sleeping.
http://tinyurl.com/65nr5b
Scott C:
“John McCain… Don’t you think he looks tired?”
Bumper sticker, now. It’s a moral imperative.
Well, I’m no graphic artist, but see what you can make of this…
http://tinyurl.com/5j3tab
I’m quite pleased with the use of the Doctor Who font for the text. 🙂
This one has just the text, if someone wants to try a better image of McCain sleeping.
http://tinyurl.com/65nr5b
Hmm… Guess I’m not great at posting links either.
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this time…
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and
http://tinyurl.com/6o7p5a
this time…
Apparently, I suck at creating URL’s.
Try
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http://tinyurl.com/6o7p5a
Apparently, I suck at creating URL’s.
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I can’t see what the problem is with that statement, Jerry. He’s not saying that Obama won’t be able to handle it. He’s not saying that it won’t happen with McCain. He is saying that historically, big tests have often happened soon after a President takes often. It may not help Obama, but I don’t see it hurting him in the slightest.
There’s no gaff in that gaff.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/biden-to-suppor.html
“Mark my words,” the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”
Great, just great. Vote for us and I guarantee an international crisis! Just like the Bay of Pigs! Remember that one? Where we almost had World War 3? Yeah! But hey! It all worked out and we look back on it fondly!
I wonder if, as some do, Joe Biden knows even as he’s talking that he is digging a hole from which he will have a hard time escaping. Now, I happen to agree with him on this. I think Obama will be tested. But you know what? When I was canvassing the neighborhood the other day, checking on people on the voter roles to remind them that they could vote early it never actually occurred to me to float the idea that a vote for Obama was a vote for an international crisis. Jesus! McCain could have said the very same thing and it would have made headlines as a cheap shot. Obama’s lucky that the McCain campaign is so inept that they don’t just immediately run that little snippet as an ad.
But Joe–who, I remind you, has a higher IQ than anyone else in the room, continues:
“I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate,” Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. “And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you – not financially to help him – we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”
Great, just great. Not only will it be a crisis, but when it’s over it will look like we came out badly on it. How else can you read that? He’s asking them to stand by Obama even when it looks like he did wrong. My leader, right or wrong. Because, you know, we’re too stupid to see the big picture, the way Joe Biden does. It will take a while but eventually we will see that everything is ok. Just got to have faith. Luckily:
“I’ve forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues know, so I’m not being falsely humble with you. I think I can be value added, but this guy has it,” the Senate Foreign Relations chairman said of Obama. “This guy has it. But he’s gonna need your help. Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, ‘Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?’ We’re gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I’m asking you now, I’m asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you’re going to have to reinforce us.”
Ok, it’s fair to ask at this point–is he insane? THIS is his idea of a stump speech? THIS is how you help someone get elected? Can you imagine the hullabaloo if Palin was out there saying this about McCain? “Oh, gosh, things are gonna be real bad, you betcha, and you probably won’t like what we do about it, no sirree, but just keep prayin’ for us and it’ll all work out!” The media would go nuts.
And I have to ask– just what are the scenarios that Biden has rattling around in his head? Give me an example of an international crisis where Obama’s response is going to be so unpopular that at first even his supporters will cringe? Where his decisions will plummet his poll numbers? Some are speculating he’s talking about bringing back the draft. Some are speculating he’s talking about abandoning Israel. I doubt either one, very seriously, (I wouldn’t vote for him if I thought they were likely) but does it help that he’s even opened this can of worms.
But if Joe were here I’d tell him not to worry. There will be plenty of people who will gladly support ANY decision they make. Hëll, some can’t even admit a gaffe when it’s right there in front of their face and would sooner attack anyone who points it out.
One other good thing about Biden…2, actually. He may take on that Quayle role of discouraging assassination attempts on Obama, for obvious reasons, and he will fill a badly needed gap for late night comedians when Bush exits stage right.
Jason M. Bryant: “I can’t see what the problem is with that statement, Jerry. He’s not saying that Obama won’t be able to handle it. He’s not saying that it won’t happen with McCain. He is saying that historically, big tests have often happened soon after a President takes often. It may not help Obama, but I don’t see it hurting him in the slightest.
There’s no gaff in that gaff.”
No, no gaff at all. Biden just said that Obama is an inexperienced and untested candidate who if elected will, mark his words, guarantee a major international crisis in his first six months because the people out there that can give us trouble will want to test this inexperienced and untested POTUS.
The easy take away from the way Biden worded it (that the Republicans are taking away and trumpeting) from that is that an Obama presidency would bring upon our country, while under a borderline depression that could become a depression and with our military engaged in two wars, a major crisis that we would have to deal with VS electing a known quantity (McCain) who won’t invite these people to try and screw with us.
Yes, there was a big gaff in that gaff.
Me: “Very true, but no one in McCain’s is telling people that a McCain win in Nov. means that America will get slammed by someone by mid 2009.”
Michael: “That’s not what Biden is saying either, and only an idiot would parse it that way. So the question becomes, what idiots have you been listening to?”
Really Michael?
Joe Biden: “Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy,” Mr. Biden said. “The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America.”
“Remember I said it standing here, if you don’t remember anything else I said … Watch, we’re going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”
“As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it’s going happen. I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate.”
No, Michael, that’s not what Biden said at all. He never said that electing Obama would guarantee a crisis, a generated crises, in less than six months because someone slams us with something in order to “test” President Obama. And only an idiot would say that he did.
But, actually, Biden kinda did. Since Biden himself drew a direct parallel, what was it that happened to Kennedy in his first six months? What was that major crisis like?
Joe Nazzaro: “The problem with Biden’s quote is that even though he was probably absolutely right, he shouldn’t hve said it. With McCain’s team throwing everything at Obama from socialism to terrorism, it’s probably a mistake to give them extra ammunition.”
Bingo! A Joe that’s not as foot and mouth prone as his namesake running for the VP spot.
Joe Nazzaro: “I’m not sure it’s right to fault any of the four candidates for some of those tiny slips of the tongue; considering the punishing schedule all of them are following, they’re probably the same as verbal ‘typos’ that none of them would make if they weren’t exhausted.”
Yeah, but biden has a history of this kind of this when well rested, bright eyed and bushy tailed. It’s not for nothing that he’s known as a gaff machine.
Dave Van Domelen : “Jason, you should know by now that context has no place in attack politics. All that matters is being able to find a string of words your opponent said and twist it to crucify them. If Obama wins, we’ll be attacked by terrorists while Obama is busy turning us into a socialist nation. After all, it’s just what Biden and Obama themselves said!“
Except that’s not what I said he said and that’s not what McCain or Palin are saying. Thanks for playing though. Try again when you have facts.
Jason M. Bryant: “I can’t see what the problem is with that statement, Jerry. He’s not saying that Obama won’t be able to handle it. He’s not saying that it won’t happen with McCain. He is saying that historically, big tests have often happened soon after a President takes often. It may not help Obama, but I don’t see it hurting him in the slightest.
There’s no gaff in that gaff.”
No, no gaff at all. Biden just said that Obama is an inexperienced and untested candidate who if elected will, mark his words, guarantee a major international crisis in his first six months because the people out there that can give us trouble will want to test this inexperienced and untested POTUS.
The easy take away from the way Biden worded it (that the Republicans are taking away and trumpeting) from that is that an Obama presidency would bring upon our country, while under a borderline depression that could become a depression and with our military engaged in two wars, a major crisis that we would have to deal with VS electing a known quantity (McCain) who won’t invite these people to try and screw with us.
Yes, there was a big gaff in that gaff.
Me: “Very true, but no one in McCain’s is telling people that a McCain win in Nov. means that America will get slammed by someone by mid 2009.”
Michael: “That’s not what Biden is saying either, and only an idiot would parse it that way. So the question becomes, what idiots have you been listening to?”
Really Michael?
Joe Biden: “Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy,” Mr. Biden said. “The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America.”
“Remember I said it standing here, if you don’t remember anything else I said … Watch, we’re going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”
“As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it’s going happen. I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate.”
No, Michael, that’s not what Biden said at all. He never said that electing Obama would guarantee a crisis, a generated crises, in less than six months because someone slams us with something in order to “test” President Obama. And only an idiot would say that he did.
But, actually, Biden kinda did. Since Biden himself drew a direct parallel, what was it that happened to Kennedy in his first six months? What was that major crisis like?
Joe Nazzaro: “The problem with Biden’s quote is that even though he was probably absolutely right, he shouldn’t hve said it. With McCain’s team throwing everything at Obama from socialism to terrorism, it’s probably a mistake to give them extra ammunition.”
Bingo! A Joe that’s not as foot and mouth prone as his namesake running for the VP spot.
Joe Nazzaro: “I’m not sure it’s right to fault any of the four candidates for some of those tiny slips of the tongue; considering the punishing schedule all of them are following, they’re probably the same as verbal ‘typos’ that none of them would make if they weren’t exhausted.”
Yeah, but biden has a history of this kind of this when well rested, bright eyed and bushy tailed. It’s not for nothing that he’s known as a gaff machine.
Dave Van Domelen : “Jason, you should know by now that context has no place in attack politics. All that matters is being able to find a string of words your opponent said and twist it to crucify them. If Obama wins, we’ll be attacked by terrorists while Obama is busy turning us into a socialist nation. After all, it’s just what Biden and Obama themselves said!“
Except that’s not what I said he said and that’s not what McCain or Palin are saying. Thanks for playing though. Try again when you have facts.
Well, I didn’t mean for the whole thing to be in bold…friends shouldn’t let friends blog on cold medication…
Jerry Chandler: No, no gaff at all. Biden just said that Obama is an inexperienced and untested candidate
No, he didn’t say that. You thinking that when Biden says something is not the same as Biden saying it.
Every time Palin says anything, I have a running commentary in my head of what she really means. But it wouldn’t be fair for me to claim that she actually said the things that I was thinking.
Jerry Chandler: No, no gaff at all. Biden just said that Obama is an inexperienced and untested candidate
No, he didn’t say that. You thinking that when Biden says something is not the same as Biden saying it.
Every time Palin says anything, I have a running commentary in my head of what she really means. But it wouldn’t be fair for me to claim that she actually said the things that I was thinking.
Biden is predicting there’s going to be a crisis, and he’s saying we can trust Obama to handle it.
To infer a more complicated intent is concern-trolling. You take every opportunity to concern-troll to handicap democrats and benefit the republicans. It’s how you trade away a dollar’s worth of problem-solving effort to add 3¢ of support to the white patriarchy.
Where our problems are created by deregulation, and our solutions implement regulation, the remaining virtue of the republican party is theft. There doesn’t seem to be a kinder way to present the truth.
I don’t get it.
I don’t get it.
Jason, the JFK comparison by Biden is based on the criticisms that Obama, like JFK, is young, inexperienced and untested. Also, I like how you clipped off the really important bits about how if elected, Obama will, mark his words, guarantee a major international crisis in his first six months because the people out there that can give us trouble will want to test this inexperienced and untested POTUS.
Understandable though since that’s the nut of the matter being played up by McCain and crew and it was a huge gaff, it kind of undercuts your statement that there’s no gaff there.
Jason, the JFK comparison by Biden is based on the criticisms that Obama, like JFK, is young, inexperienced and untested. Also, I like how you clipped off the really important bits about how if elected, Obama will, mark his words, guarantee a major international crisis in his first six months because the people out there that can give us trouble will want to test this inexperienced and untested POTUS.
Understandable though since that’s the nut of the matter being played up by McCain and crew and it was a huge gaff, it kind of undercuts your statement that there’s no gaff there.
Tom Keller: “I don’t get it.”
Have you tried using Axe Body Spray?
Tom Keller: “I don’t get it.”
Have you tried using Axe Body Spray?
Ha. I mean that I don’t get PAD’s reference. Little help?
Ha. I mean that I don’t get PAD’s reference. Little help?
Ha. I mean that I don’t get PAD’s reference. Little help?
The new Doctor Who. He sorta set up an MP to be the PM. When she sorta went bad, he starts her downfall by quietly asking the right people if she looks a little tired.
It helps if you saw the show.
Jerry, *ALL* new Presidents are untested. Every last one of them has never been President in his first few months, so forces against us traditionally try to find out what they’ll do.
Do you think that McCain is more tested? Then tell me a time that people under his command have been attacked and he told them what to do.
You’re probably thinking of his military record. Many people would respond to my question by generically saying that he was in the military, so he’s been tested.
But I didn’t ask about military experience in general, I asked a specific question. If you’ll look at his record, I think you’ll have trouble finding any time that people under his command were being attacked and he told them what to do.
And even if you could find something like that, it won’t be remotely close to the scale that a President has to face. McCain never had a combat field position, he’s never been in a position to handle that kind of responsibility either.
No new President goes into the job with experience in the kinds of things a President will face. All Presidents start out untested.
So again, no gaff. Just look around, who cares about this comment? The people who were already going to vote for McCain and absolutely nobody else.
Unless you can find somebody who is actually reconsidering his vote, it’s not much of a gaff.
Jerry, *ALL* new Presidents are untested. Every last one of them has never been President in his first few months, so forces against us traditionally try to find out what they’ll do.
Do you think that McCain is more tested? Then tell me a time that people under his command have been attacked and he told them what to do.
You’re probably thinking of his military record. Many people would respond to my question by generically saying that he was in the military, so he’s been tested.
But I didn’t ask about military experience in general, I asked a specific question. If you’ll look at his record, I think you’ll have trouble finding any time that people under his command were being attacked and he told them what to do.
And even if you could find something like that, it won’t be remotely close to the scale that a President has to face. McCain never had a combat field position, he’s never been in a position to handle that kind of responsibility either.
No new President goes into the job with experience in the kinds of things a President will face. All Presidents start out untested.
So again, no gaff. Just look around, who cares about this comment? The people who were already going to vote for McCain and absolutely nobody else.
Unless you can find somebody who is actually reconsidering his vote, it’s not much of a gaff.
Bill Mulligan
Just like the Bay of Pigs! Remember that one? Where we almost had World War 3?
Wouldn’t that have been the Cuban Missile Crisis, some 16 months after Bay of Pigs?
Well, I didn’t mean for the whole thing to be in bold…friends shouldn’t let friends blog on cold medication…
Sure, sure. First it was italics, now bold. And now you’re fallen back on excuses. What’s next? 😉
Jerry, I wasn’t talking to you. You fail at reading comprehension.
Jerry, I wasn’t talking to you. You fail at reading comprehension.
Posted by Michael
That’s not what Biden is saying either, and only an idiot would parse it that way. So the question becomes, what idiots have you been listening to?
Because it sounds as if he’s saying that, perticularly if you’re leaning (or even falling flat) toward the other side already.
Posted by Joe Nazzaro
That being said, McCain claims that he was already ‘tested’ during the Kennedy era because he was on a ship near Cuba at the time, if I understand what he was trying to say.
Well, his running mate is a foreign policy expert because she lives closer to Russia than we do, so i guess sitting in a plane off the coast of Cuba while a pilot from my hometown got shot down qualifies him as a crisis manager.
Scott C:
Well, I’m no graphic artist, but see what you can make of this…
Not bad, but if it’s a bumper sticker, you need to enlarge the text, and set it as three lines or so in the dead spcat to the left of the image – or better yet, just McCain’s name to the right, and the rest of it, larger, across the bottom.
Posted by Bill Mulligan
Bay of Pigs didn’t come all that close to WW3 – neither did the Missile Crisis, though it was part of the terrible test (sitting on the flight deck waiting for the “go” that never came) that made John McCain so qualified to deal with a crisis!
(BTW – it turned out, many years later, that Khruschev’s threat to let the misiles fly was a bluff – they weren’t operational…)
(Incidentally, 22 October 1962 was my 14th birthday, and as i said, the spyplane pilot who got shot down over Cuba was from my home town (there’s a monument to him in a small park) – and some people wonder why much of the Baby Boom generation never thought we’d see forty-five (much less 60 – *creak* *groan*…)
So again, no gaff. Just look around, who cares about this comment? The people who were already going to vote for McCain and absolutely nobody else.
Unless you can find somebody who is actually reconsidering his vote, it’s not much of a gaff.
That’s kind of moving the goal posts. If that’s the case I guess most of Palin’s boners don’t count for much either. A a gaffe’s a gaffe whether it matters or not. I doubt that Biden could say anything so stupid that it would cost Obama the election.
And FYI it isn’t only Jerry and I who think it’s a gaffe, or that Biden is particularly gaffe prone. That doesn’t make it a deal changer but it is what it is.
US News and World report– Famous even among senators for being long-winded, he more recently has developed a reputation for being gaffe-prone. As Obama’s running mate, for example, in complaining about President Bush’s initial response to the financial crisis, Biden argued that when the stock market crashed in 1929, Franklin D. Roosevelt jumped immediately into action. “FDR got on television,” Biden declared, and tried to reassure the country. In fact, Herbert Hoover was president in 1929 and TV was not a mass medium.
Washington Post-The result of the relatively sparse coverage of Biden has been that only his verbal gaffes, for which he has long been known, get attention. Writes Lizza insightfully: “His style does not play well in the modern media environment, and coverage of his gaffes has sometimes overshadowed the substance in his speeches, such as the moment when, at a rally in Missouri, he asked a state senator in a wheelchair to stand up. (Biden recovered well, joking, ‘You can tell I’m new.’)”
But here’s Joe himself, actually coming off pretty well on the Tonight show (When he isn’t being a blowhard he can be a decent enough fellow)– BIDEN: Well, hopefully, you don’t make a gaffe that actually affects people’s lives. Hopefully, you don’t make a gaffe in policy. But, look, I’ve made many a gaffe in my life, and I suspect I’ll make a whole lot more. But you do worry. You know, I was on a rope — you go down what they call a rope line. You make a speech; there’s 4, 5, 6,000 people, and they line up and you shake hands.
And everybody has — not everybody. A lot of people have cameras, and they have these little video phones and — you know, and you just got — so I learned to just go, “Mm mm mmmm,” walk down the line. I don’t say anything anymore.
Give the man credit for taking Mark twain’s advice to heart. Would that more politicians did the same.
Just like the Bay of Pigs! Remember that one? Where we almost had World War 3?
Wouldn’t that have been the Cuban Missile Crisis, some 16 months after Bay of Pigs?
D’oh! You’re right of course. So I guess Biden thinks the bad guys will be testing Obama at a much earlier point in his presidency than they did for JFK (Or he thinks that the Cuban crisis came much earlier than it did–hard to believe for such a Student Of History as Joe B.)
Bay of Pigs didn’t come all that close to WW3 – neither did the Missile Crisis,
I’ll grant you my Bay of Pigs gaffe but The Cuban Missile Crisis??? I always thought that was supposed to be a close call. From Wikipedia.
In early 1992 it was confirmed that key Soviet forces in Cuba had, by the time the crisis broke, received tactical nuclear warheads for their artillery rockets and IL-28 bombers,[31] though General Anatoly Gribkov, part of the Soviet staff responsible for the operation, stated that the local Soviet commander, General Issa Pliyev, had predelegated authority to use them if the U.S. had mounted a full-scale invasion of Cuba. Gribkov misspoke: the Kremlin’s authorization remained unsigned and undelivered.[citation needed] (Other accounts show that Pliyev was given permission to use tactical nuclear warheads but only in the most extreme case of an U.S. invasion during which contact with Moscow is lost. However when U.S. forces seemed to be readying for an attack (after the U-2 photos, but before Kennedy’s television address), Khrushchev rescinded his earlier permission for Pliyev to use the tactical nuclear weapons, even under the most extreme conditions.)
Castro has stated that he knew during the crisis that the warheads had indeed reached Cuba, and that he had recommended their use, despite being sure that Cuba would be completely destroyed should nuclear war break out.[31]
In October 1997, The John F. Kennedy Library released a set of tape recordings documenting the crisis for the period October 18 to October 29, 1962. These recordings were made in the Oval Office. They include President Kennedy’s personal recollections of discussions, conversations with his advisors, meetings with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and members of the president’s executive committee.
Arguably the most dangerous moment in the crisis was unrecognized until the Cuban Missile Crisis Havana conference in October 2002, attended by many of the veterans of the crisis, at which it was learned that on October 26, 1962 the USS Beale had depth-charged an unidentified submarine which was in fact Soviet and armed with nuclear weapons. An argument broke out among the three commanders with Vasiliy Arkhipov being against their use. He is thus credited with averting the breakout of nuclear war at that moment.
Sounds pretty bad to me, even though “Danger” (prone) is my middle name.
Bay of Pigs didn’t come all that close to WW3 – neither did the Missile Crisis,
I’ll grant you my Bay of Pigs gaffe but The Cuban Missile Crisis??? I always thought that was supposed to be a close call. From Wikipedia.
In early 1992 it was confirmed that key Soviet forces in Cuba had, by the time the crisis broke, received tactical nuclear warheads for their artillery rockets and IL-28 bombers,[31] though General Anatoly Gribkov, part of the Soviet staff responsible for the operation, stated that the local Soviet commander, General Issa Pliyev, had predelegated authority to use them if the U.S. had mounted a full-scale invasion of Cuba. Gribkov misspoke: the Kremlin’s authorization remained unsigned and undelivered.[citation needed] (Other accounts show that Pliyev was given permission to use tactical nuclear warheads but only in the most extreme case of an U.S. invasion during which contact with Moscow is lost. However when U.S. forces seemed to be readying for an attack (after the U-2 photos, but before Kennedy’s television address), Khrushchev rescinded his earlier permission for Pliyev to use the tactical nuclear weapons, even under the most extreme conditions.)
Castro has stated that he knew during the crisis that the warheads had indeed reached Cuba, and that he had recommended their use, despite being sure that Cuba would be completely destroyed should nuclear war break out.[31]
In October 1997, The John F. Kennedy Library released a set of tape recordings documenting the crisis for the period October 18 to October 29, 1962. These recordings were made in the Oval Office. They include President Kennedy’s personal recollections of discussions, conversations with his advisors, meetings with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and members of the president’s executive committee.
Arguably the most dangerous moment in the crisis was unrecognized until the Cuban Missile Crisis Havana conference in October 2002, attended by many of the veterans of the crisis, at which it was learned that on October 26, 1962 the USS Beale had depth-charged an unidentified submarine which was in fact Soviet and armed with nuclear weapons. An argument broke out among the three commanders with Vasiliy Arkhipov being against their use. He is thus credited with averting the breakout of nuclear war at that moment.
Sounds pretty bad to me, even though “Danger” (prone) is my middle name.
Yeah, it’s a wonder their campaigns feel they have to hide her from the media, and not him.
Bill Mulligan: That’s kind of moving the goal posts. If that’s the case I guess most of Palin’s boners don’t count for much either. A a gaffe’s a gaffe whether it matters or not. I doubt that Biden could say anything so stupid that it would cost Obama the election.
Palin’s “boners” are funny. When she can’t name a magazine that she reads, that doesn’t tell me anything about her policy positions, it’s just funny. I’ll laugh at that all day long, just like I’ll laugh at Joe Biden when he talks about people watching TV after the 1929 stock market crash, listening to a President who wasn’t President yet.
The Biden comments we’re talking about now weren’t funny, so we’re talking about something completely different from “boners.”
When a candidate says something that his people like and the other side dislikes, that’s not a gaffe, that’s nothing. It may not have helped him to say it, but it doesn’t help them to belittle it. A gaffe is something that embarrasses the politicians own side, or at least affects the undecideds. That’s something both Palin and Biden have done many times, but isn’t happening in this particular case.
I’m not moving the goal posts at all. Biden mentioned a historical trend. Big whoop. That’s about as big a gaffe as the time that Palin said she lowered taxes in Wasilla, even though she actually lowered some taxes and raised others. Nobody is particularly bothered by either statement.
By the way, I also don’t give a dámņ about the money they’re saying the RNC paid for her wardrobe. So that’s a complete non-issue that’s being blown out of proportion on the other side.
Bill Mulligan: That’s kind of moving the goal posts. If that’s the case I guess most of Palin’s boners don’t count for much either. A a gaffe’s a gaffe whether it matters or not. I doubt that Biden could say anything so stupid that it would cost Obama the election.
Palin’s “boners” are funny. When she can’t name a magazine that she reads, that doesn’t tell me anything about her policy positions, it’s just funny. I’ll laugh at that all day long, just like I’ll laugh at Joe Biden when he talks about people watching TV after the 1929 stock market crash, listening to a President who wasn’t President yet.
The Biden comments we’re talking about now weren’t funny, so we’re talking about something completely different from “boners.”
When a candidate says something that his people like and the other side dislikes, that’s not a gaffe, that’s nothing. It may not have helped him to say it, but it doesn’t help them to belittle it. A gaffe is something that embarrasses the politicians own side, or at least affects the undecideds. That’s something both Palin and Biden have done many times, but isn’t happening in this particular case.
I’m not moving the goal posts at all. Biden mentioned a historical trend. Big whoop. That’s about as big a gaffe as the time that Palin said she lowered taxes in Wasilla, even though she actually lowered some taxes and raised others. Nobody is particularly bothered by either statement.
By the way, I also don’t give a dámņ about the money they’re saying the RNC paid for her wardrobe. So that’s a complete non-issue that’s being blown out of proportion on the other side.
I can hear McCain’s concessions speech now:
“I would’ve won, if it hadn’t been for you meddling kids!”
I can hear McCain’s concessions speech now:
“I would’ve won, if it hadn’t been for you meddling kids!”
Jason M. Bryant : “Do you think that McCain is more tested? Then tell me a time that people under his command have been attacked and he told them what to do.
You’re probably thinking of his military record. Many people would respond to my question by generically saying that he was in the military, so he’s been tested.”
Jason, I’m not thinking of anything like that here. I’m not pro McCain and I’m not thinking that McCain will do great and not have issues pop up. However, that doesn’t change the fact that McCain doesn’t have his people, let alone his #2 on the ticket, telling people that his election guarantees that we will get whammed in under six months and that the first response to the “crisis” by President McCain will basically be unpopular or bungled.
“So again, no gaff. Just look around, who cares about this comment? The people who were already going to vote for McCain and absolutely nobody else.
Unless you can find somebody who is actually reconsidering his vote, it’s not much of a gaff.”
Okay, let’s take this out of politics for a moment, Jason, as it’s becoming obvious that you’re going to defend Obama/Biden from even the dumbest foot-in-mouth moment whether the person pointing it out is attacking them or, as I was doing, just pointing it out as an eye rolling moment. Let’s talk about cars.
You have two new cars on the market and you have to pick one. Dealer #1 says that their car is stable, strong and has years of automotive experience behind its design. Dealer #1 talks up how well the car handles and how well the car does with gas mileage and other matters of efficiency.
And now we move on to Dealer #2. Dealer #2 comes out and says that the car is pretty good, but that, mark his words, once you buy it and start driving it you’re going to have problems with it in six months or less. Dealer #2 says that come this time next year you need to remember that you really liked the car now because you’ll be wondering why you liked it so much if you don’t.
Now, which dealer is selling a car and which dealer has you scratching your head.
Spin it however you want, but Biden made a stupid comment, it was a gaffe and this week’s news has even had major Obama cheerleaders wondering what the man was thinking.
Dave Van Domelen: “Jerry, I wasn’t talking to you. You fail at reading comprehension.”
Dave, around here we jump in and out of conversations and even respond to posts directed at others when it’s about the topic we’re addressing. You wrote a post specifically about the topic I was addressing and I responded to that.
No worries about it happening much in the future though. Your snot nosed comment shows you fail at being worth discussing much with in the future. Thanks for playing.
Jason M. Bryant: “Palin’s “boners” are funny. When she can’t name a magazine that she reads, that doesn’t tell me anything about her policy positions, it’s just funny. I’ll laugh at that all day long, just like I’ll laugh at Joe Biden when he talks about people watching TV after the 1929 stock market crash, listening to a President who wasn’t President yet.
The Biden comments we’re talking about now weren’t funny, so we’re talking about something completely different from “boners.””
Well, I thought it was funny. I also thought that, on a 1 to 10 scale, not being able to name a magazine was an 8 funny while only being a 5 gaffe. Biden saying that electing Obama will invite a international crisis and that the Obama response will be unpopular and have supporters scratching their heads as to why they voted for the man is only a 4 funny while being about a 9 campaign trail gaffe.
Maybe that’s just me, but then I’m not really that interested in having “my side” be right at all times no matter what or being unable to call a foot-in-mouth moment or a gaffe what they are.
Who the hëll is selling Obama on his committing errors?
Biden is predicting there’s going to be a crisis, and he’s saying we can trust Obama to handle it. To infer a more complicated intent is concern-trolling. You take every opportunity to concern-troll to withhold a standard of fairness from minorities and benefit the privileged. You allow everyone their own account of what their going through — except for the people you create strawmen for. It’s how you trade away a dollar’s worth of problem-solving effort to add 3¢ of support to the white patriarchy.
Posted by Bill Mulligan
I’ll grant you my Bay of Pigs gaffe but The Cuban Missile Crisis??? I always thought that was supposed to be a close call.
As i said, it was revealed some time later that the Cuban missiles weren’t even functional, and the USSR had to step back from their bluff.
I forget whether Kennedy had intelligence as to that fact or not.
Posted by Bill Mulligan
I’ll grant you my Bay of Pigs gaffe but The Cuban Missile Crisis??? I always thought that was supposed to be a close call.
As i said, it was revealed some time later that the Cuban missiles weren’t even functional, and the USSR had to step back from their bluff.
I forget whether Kennedy had intelligence as to that fact or not.
If I’d been at that rally, I probably would have made the “don’t you think he looks tired?” comment. But that’s just me. The opportunity would have been too good to pass up.
That would hold true for any such “punchy” elected official or candidate for elected office in similar circumstances, not just McCain.
I don’t know that I’d have made the comment had I been at the State of the Union address shown in the photo (My invitation must have gotten lost in the mail). First, in fairness to McCain, the address in question might have been a yawn-fest. Second, at the time, I doubt I’d have seen the need to make that remark in a Doctor about Harriet Jones sense.
In a “too good to pass up” sense, maybe.
More recent history is something else re the Doctor’s question; so yes, I’d have asked it. Even if, for some odd reason, my asking it wouldn’t have the same effect as the Doctor asking it.
It would’ve been interesting if someone had asked “don’t you think McCain looks tired?” (along with their “real” question) at the town hall “debate” or some other such venue with cameras and microphones. How much discussion would the question have generated?
Rick
If I’d been at that rally, I probably would have made the “don’t you think he looks tired?” comment. But that’s just me. The opportunity would have been too good to pass up.
That would hold true for any such “punchy” elected official or candidate for elected office in similar circumstances, not just McCain.
I don’t know that I’d have made the comment had I been at the State of the Union address shown in the photo (My invitation must have gotten lost in the mail). First, in fairness to McCain, the address in question might have been a yawn-fest. Second, at the time, I doubt I’d have seen the need to make that remark in a Doctor about Harriet Jones sense.
In a “too good to pass up” sense, maybe.
More recent history is something else re the Doctor’s question; so yes, I’d have asked it. Even if, for some odd reason, my asking it wouldn’t have the same effect as the Doctor asking it.
It would’ve been interesting if someone had asked “don’t you think McCain looks tired?” (along with their “real” question) at the town hall “debate” or some other such venue with cameras and microphones. How much discussion would the question have generated?
Rick
As i said, it was revealed some time later that the Cuban missiles weren’t even functional, and the USSR had to step back from their bluff.
But the wiki article above states that functional nukes were available to the Soviets–maybe not the missiles but on the bombers and artillary in Cuba. And there is still the matter of a Russian sub–we have only Mr. Arkhipov to thank for not having a nuclear war.
Man, you must have ice water in your veins if that doesn’t scare you. You are definitely my go to guy if we ever need to defuse a bomb 🙂 (And don’t worry, I’ll be right behind you.) (Far, far behind you)
You know, looking at the scale of damage that can be done by one line; Biden my be a foot in mouth machine, but he’s no Seth Petruzelli.
Wow… Just… Wow…
What did Petruzelli do? Or are you talking about him saying that EliteXC paid him to keep the fight against Kimbo all stand up?
What did Petruzelli do? Or are you talking about him saying that EliteXC paid him to keep the fight against Kimbo all stand up?
“Or are you talking about him saying that EliteXC paid him to keep the fight against Kimbo all stand up?”
Haven’t heard the last two days of MMA news I take it. Seth’s comments started a full scale investigation into the Shaws and how they were running things. The heat from the investigation and the fact that the statements coming out pretty much added up to fight fixing no matter the degree of fixing that was talked down made EliteXC a bit of a hot potato. Showtime balked at a planned payday show, CBS decided to opt out of buying more controlling interest in the company (as was an option in the deal to run the four EliteXC shows on CBS) and the resulting absence of those income streams tipped the scales to “Dead in the Water” for the already struggling company.
EliteXC announced Monday that it’s done, gone, history and no more. Several fighters are talking about possible UFC runs, no one knows where Kimbo goes from here since Dana thinks he sucks and the shine is off his image now and Gina is stuck looking for whatever she can get since UFC and several other MMA organizations that could pay well won’t promote women in the sport.
So, yeah, Seth turned out to be the most powerful man in MMA today. One dumb statement set into motion the events that put the final several nails into the coffin of EliteXC. Based on the last week and a half’s events; Palin and Biden have nothing on Petruzelli for shooting his “ticket” down in flames.
“Or are you talking about him saying that EliteXC paid him to keep the fight against Kimbo all stand up?”
Haven’t heard the last two days of MMA news I take it. Seth’s comments started a full scale investigation into the Shaws and how they were running things. The heat from the investigation and the fact that the statements coming out pretty much added up to fight fixing no matter the degree of fixing that was talked down made EliteXC a bit of a hot potato. Showtime balked at a planned payday show, CBS decided to opt out of buying more controlling interest in the company (as was an option in the deal to run the four EliteXC shows on CBS) and the resulting absence of those income streams tipped the scales to “Dead in the Water” for the already struggling company.
EliteXC announced Monday that it’s done, gone, history and no more. Several fighters are talking about possible UFC runs, no one knows where Kimbo goes from here since Dana thinks he sucks and the shine is off his image now and Gina is stuck looking for whatever she can get since UFC and several other MMA organizations that could pay well won’t promote women in the sport.
So, yeah, Seth turned out to be the most powerful man in MMA today. One dumb statement set into motion the events that put the final several nails into the coffin of EliteXC. Based on the last week and a half’s events; Palin and Biden have nothing on Petruzelli for shooting his “ticket” down in flames.
And they’re not a Michele Bachmann either. The news just broke (or I’ve just seen it for the first time) that the national GOP has pulled its ads and money from her campaign based on her comments on Hardball.
Oops. Sucks to be her I guess.
I wonder how long it will take Hannity and Rush to have her own and play her up as a poor victim who’s being persecuted by people that hate America and hate the truth.