And somewhere at this very moment…

…a Mafia wiseguy called “Joe the Plumber” is saying, “I’m gonna have t’get a new f*ckin'” nickname…”

PAD

319 comments on “And somewhere at this very moment…

  1. “So I want to get this straight then, stuff like the Obama bucks and Fried Chicken is okay then too? Right?”

    That’s a hurtful and demeaning stereotype targeted at a race of people as a whole. Joking about Mafia nicknames is joking about an organized crime group. One is targeted at at blacks and there really isn’t any other target for it. The other is targeted at a small group of people who are majority Italian but are only a minority of Italians over all. Making jokes at the expense of/about the Mafia could only be believed to be offensive to Italians if someone is stupid enough to believe that all Italians are in the Mafia and that the two words are interchangable.

    Your really reaching here.

    By the way; what nickname did you get?

  2. “So I want to get this straight then, stuff like the Obama bucks and Fried Chicken is okay then too? Right?”

    That’s a hurtful and demeaning stereotype targeted at a race of people as a whole. Joking about Mafia nicknames is joking about an organized crime group. One is targeted at at blacks and there really isn’t any other target for it. The other is targeted at a small group of people who are majority Italian but are only a minority of Italians over all. Making jokes at the expense of/about the Mafia could only be believed to be offensive to Italians if someone is stupid enough to believe that all Italians are in the Mafia and that the two words are interchangable.

    Your really reaching here.

    By the way; what nickname did you get?

  3. Uhm… Is Master PJ really Dan Nakagawa? I haven’t seen a PC meltdown this dumb since he flipped out over the “racism” and “offensiveness” of the July 2005 “This Just In…” thread.

    I mean, really, it’s getting that dumb.

  4. Uhm… Is Master PJ really Dan Nakagawa? I haven’t seen a PC meltdown this dumb since he flipped out over the “racism” and “offensiveness” of the July 2005 “This Just In…” thread.

    I mean, really, it’s getting that dumb.

  5. Love the link, Jerry. Thanks.

    Tim “Sweet Nostrils” Lynch

    And just to point it out, the same generator gives

    Mister_Pj “The Delicious”.

  6. So, let me get this straight. If someone takes offense to something you write or say it’s their problem? They’re just stupid… that’s your inference right.

    No. That’s YOUR inference. Crack a dictionary.

    PAD

  7. So, let me get this straight. If someone takes offense to something you write or say it’s their problem? They’re just stupid… that’s your inference right.

    No. That’s YOUR inference. Crack a dictionary.

    PAD

  8. “Kat Mueller in New Frontier suffers from her “German temper”.” Oh, I thought that she just suffered from really bad PMS.

  9. pages.prodigy.net/mlemus/mobnamegenerator.htm

    Whoa! I’m Bill “Danger-Prone” Mulligan! How cool is that? “Yeah, babe. My middle name is DANGER…(much quieter voice)…prone.”

    So, who is in the American Mafia?

    Did I write the word Italian in there?

    Well, no, but I assumed you weren’t objecting to the stereotype of mafioso having nicknames because it was offensive to mafioso. The only time I’ve seen people upset about any reference to the mob was from Italians. So that was an inference on my part. Was I wrong? Was there a different ethnic group you thought would be offended by the word “wiseguy”?

  10. pages.prodigy.net/mlemus/mobnamegenerator.htm

    Whoa! I’m Bill “Danger-Prone” Mulligan! How cool is that? “Yeah, babe. My middle name is DANGER…(much quieter voice)…prone.”

    So, who is in the American Mafia?

    Did I write the word Italian in there?

    Well, no, but I assumed you weren’t objecting to the stereotype of mafioso having nicknames because it was offensive to mafioso. The only time I’ve seen people upset about any reference to the mob was from Italians. So that was an inference on my part. Was I wrong? Was there a different ethnic group you thought would be offended by the word “wiseguy”?

  11. Thanks for the link. If I use my full last name it’s the vole

    I have to say PAD is far and away one of the most tolerant people I’ve met.

    I would have to say if you asked 20 people what does Joe the plumber do and you aren’t allowed to say plumber a good 15-18 of them would say gangster or mafia.

    If your argument is that PAD is perpetuating the stereotype that Mafia guys all have nicknames you might have an arguing point, but let’s face it that stereotype isn’t going away.

    As for the rest of it? I think you’re being over sensitive.

    I can’t imagine many other comic creators would put up with as much on his own website as he does. Bendis maybe but I personally think Bendis dresses up in bdsm gear on the weekends and gets spanked so he probably likes it. 😉

    btw when I put Joe The Plumber in the nickname generator I got the The ogre and Peter Sweet Nostrils David

  12. Thanks for the link. If I use my full last name it’s the vole

    I have to say PAD is far and away one of the most tolerant people I’ve met.

    I would have to say if you asked 20 people what does Joe the plumber do and you aren’t allowed to say plumber a good 15-18 of them would say gangster or mafia.

    If your argument is that PAD is perpetuating the stereotype that Mafia guys all have nicknames you might have an arguing point, but let’s face it that stereotype isn’t going away.

    As for the rest of it? I think you’re being over sensitive.

    I can’t imagine many other comic creators would put up with as much on his own website as he does. Bendis maybe but I personally think Bendis dresses up in bdsm gear on the weekends and gets spanked so he probably likes it. 😉

    btw when I put Joe The Plumber in the nickname generator I got the The ogre and Peter Sweet Nostrils David

  13. PJ, you said you liked the Sopranos: writing_wrong.blogspot.com/2003/03/i-like-sopranos-though-i-have-some.html

    Their stereotyping of the kind you complain about is the malignant melanoma to the freckle of Peter’s stereotyping. You’ve wasted 2 days here.

  14. Mister PJ,

    Look, I think some of us our rolling our eyes here because this doesn’t really seem to make sense an example of offensiveness. Peter didn’t make a joke about Italians. He didn’t make a crack about some ethnic stereotype about Italians. He made a joke about mob hitmen with screwy names.

    Saying something about the Mafia does not = saying something about all Italians. You brought up the Yakuza as one of your “what if I said” examples. Okay. If you made a joke about the Yakuza that was based on something specific to that criminal group (say a joke involving missing fingers) here on the blog; I doubt that anyone here would think that you were making a joke about the Japanese people as a hole.

    You brought up the fried chicken and watermelon thing as a comparison to this. That’s something that’s meant to be directed at an entire race of people. Peter cracking wise about the Mafia was aimed only those people who are actually involved in a specific criminal organization. And the Mafia isn’t even an organization that is 100% exclusively Italian anymore anyhow.

    Besides, every racial insult that you may bring up as a “what if this was said” example and every attempt to link the start of this thread to ethnic jokes would fail to be a valid comparison. The start of this thread wasn’t a joke meant to demean or put down anyone. It was about the irony in the fact that there may be a mob hitman out there who now has a nickname that’s in dire need of replacement thanks to the silliness of this political season.

    He once made a joke/thread like this at his own expense. He signs off on a lot of stuff as PAD. Not long ago he had an “ah cripes” moment when “P.A.D.” started to get promoted as the next big deadly disease to watch out for. What, was he making a joke that, since one lone Jew had the initials of a deadly disease, the Jews as a whole were some sort of disease? Hëll no.

    If I make a joke about people in Arkansas or West Virginia; am I making a joke about all Southerners, Americans or whites? Hëll no. I’m talking about a specific group of people within a larger group of people. Same here.

    Peter didn’t tell a joke about Italians. Peter didn’t tell a racially insensitive joke meant to demean Italians. he made a harmless remark about the possibility of there being a Mafia wiseguy out there who is likely catching all sorts of hëll from his contemporaries. There was only one person here who wanted to make this about ethnicity and Italians and that’s you.

  15. Mister PJ,

    Look, I think some of us our rolling our eyes here because this doesn’t really seem to make sense an example of offensiveness. Peter didn’t make a joke about Italians. He didn’t make a crack about some ethnic stereotype about Italians. He made a joke about mob hitmen with screwy names.

    Saying something about the Mafia does not = saying something about all Italians. You brought up the Yakuza as one of your “what if I said” examples. Okay. If you made a joke about the Yakuza that was based on something specific to that criminal group (say a joke involving missing fingers) here on the blog; I doubt that anyone here would think that you were making a joke about the Japanese people as a hole.

    You brought up the fried chicken and watermelon thing as a comparison to this. That’s something that’s meant to be directed at an entire race of people. Peter cracking wise about the Mafia was aimed only those people who are actually involved in a specific criminal organization. And the Mafia isn’t even an organization that is 100% exclusively Italian anymore anyhow.

    Besides, every racial insult that you may bring up as a “what if this was said” example and every attempt to link the start of this thread to ethnic jokes would fail to be a valid comparison. The start of this thread wasn’t a joke meant to demean or put down anyone. It was about the irony in the fact that there may be a mob hitman out there who now has a nickname that’s in dire need of replacement thanks to the silliness of this political season.

    He once made a joke/thread like this at his own expense. He signs off on a lot of stuff as PAD. Not long ago he had an “ah cripes” moment when “P.A.D.” started to get promoted as the next big deadly disease to watch out for. What, was he making a joke that, since one lone Jew had the initials of a deadly disease, the Jews as a whole were some sort of disease? Hëll no.

    If I make a joke about people in Arkansas or West Virginia; am I making a joke about all Southerners, Americans or whites? Hëll no. I’m talking about a specific group of people within a larger group of people. Same here.

    Peter didn’t tell a joke about Italians. Peter didn’t tell a racially insensitive joke meant to demean Italians. he made a harmless remark about the possibility of there being a Mafia wiseguy out there who is likely catching all sorts of hëll from his contemporaries. There was only one person here who wanted to make this about ethnicity and Italians and that’s you.

  16. Try Obama and McCain

    John “The Stare” McCain

    Barack “The Pope” Obama

    Obama “The Squealer” McCain

    That was a strange one to get considering all of the “Messiah” crap that the Right throws at Obama. Maybe the guys doing the site are Republicans?

  17. Try Obama and McCain

    John “The Stare” McCain

    Barack “The Pope” Obama

    Obama “The Squealer” McCain

    That was a strange one to get considering all of the “Messiah” crap that the Right throws at Obama. Maybe the guys doing the site are Republicans?

  18. If you made a joke about the Yakuza that was based on something specific to that criminal group (say a joke involving missing fingers)…

    Coincidentally enough, when I put my full name into the generator, it gives me the nickname “No Thumbs”.

    With the screenname, I’m Jonathan “Two Fists” (the other one).

    BTW, shouldn’t that be John “The Blink” McCain??

  19. If you made a joke about the Yakuza that was based on something specific to that criminal group (say a joke involving missing fingers)…

    Coincidentally enough, when I put my full name into the generator, it gives me the nickname “No Thumbs”.

    With the screenname, I’m Jonathan “Two Fists” (the other one).

    BTW, shouldn’t that be John “The Blink” McCain??

  20. Joe “The Porpoise” Biden
    Sarah “The Funny Moustache” Palin
    Hillary “The Vampire” Clinton

  21. Joe “The Porpoise” Biden
    Sarah “The Funny Moustache” Palin
    Hillary “The Vampire” Clinton

  22. Okay, something’s seriously wrong with that thing. What’d I get? The Knitter. What did Stacie get? The Sicilian.

    Ya’d think I could’ve at LEAST gotten The Haggis. But no. I end up looking like the criminal element’s grandmother making cozies for all the handguns.

  23. Okay, something’s seriously wrong with that thing. What’d I get? The Knitter. What did Stacie get? The Sicilian.

    Ya’d think I could’ve at LEAST gotten The Haggis. But no. I end up looking like the criminal element’s grandmother making cozies for all the handguns.

  24. I got “Heartbreaker”. Nice!

    “Ok, I know who Lorena Bobbit was, I don’t get the context here.”

    Hmmm… I suppose that “weed whacker” has some castration subtext? English not being my first language, I’m not sure.

  25. I got “Heartbreaker”. Nice!

    “Ok, I know who Lorena Bobbit was, I don’t get the context here.”

    Hmmm… I suppose that “weed whacker” has some castration subtext? English not being my first language, I’m not sure.

  26. No, there was no idea at all in their minds that this was in the least bit racist in its presentation. Still, you have to admire their restraint….

    The start of this thread wasn’t a joke meant to demean or put down anyone.

    Jerry, you’re selectively applying your principles again. You credit both the California republicans and Peter for intending no offense. But if the degree of the severity renders intent irrelevant in the former, why even refer to intent at all?

    Your inconsistency only serves to portray the arbitrary discretion you reserve for yourself as fair. Which is completely compatible with whatever worst elements of racism anyone cares to name. And it shows the racists their ways work.

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