People ask, between my writing and my family, when do I sleep? Answer is…never! It’s 5 AM, I just finished the script for “Fallen Angel #12” and I figured, hey! I’m semi-coherent! Close enough for the round-up! Spoilers follow…
SMALLVILLE: An episode in which the whole gloriously exceeds the sum of its parts. In terms of the latter, it’s another Freak of the Week, and Adam is kind of weird (which we knew) and Lex is poking around into things (which is SOP), the fact that Clark’s saving the coach changed Lana’s possible future (and that he was behind the kidnapping) were pretty obvious, and Jonathan has a heart attack (which we saw coming). But it all came together so beautifully that, dámņ, it was fantastically compelling. I was watching it on video tape and I couldn’t speed through the commercials fast enough. The psychic kid was great, the story pacing was seamless, I just LOVED that eerie future shot of the flapping Superman cape heading into…well, kind of looked like a Boom Tube, actually. Plus there’s fascinating ambiguities. “I think Adam died.” Well, if he’s really who we think he is, then in a sense, that’s true. Young Bruce Wayne, the innocent boy, died in the alley as he watched his parents’ lifeblood seep away, and something else was born…something that wouldn’t receive its real name until years later when a bat flapped through a window. And Jonathan’s protest of “Not now, it’s too soon”…a frightened man simply protesting his impending mortality? Or something more? The culmination of the mysterious deal he cut with Jor-El, perhaps? Bottom line, the series continues to fire on all cylinders.
ANGEL: Ðámņ. I mean, ÐÃMN. I had to say it, I just HAD to go and say it. People who watched it, you know what I’m talking about. People who didn’t, I can’t bring myself to say it. The episode itself–a superb 100th episode. Everything, from its nods to the show’s earliest days (including the Doyle video from “Hero,” giving us a look at the tragic Glenn Quinn) to the (for now) resolution of the Lindsay storyline to the snappy dialogue (“Harmony, if she moves, you can eat her.” “Really?!” or WES: We should come with you. ANGEL: No. I’m not going to risk the life of somebody I care about. SPIKE: I’ll come. ANGEL: Great, let’s go.”) to the returned Cordelia’s helping Angel recapturing the sense of heroism it all worked. You had to love Cordy feeling she’d woken up in a bizarro world; too bad she doesn’t remember the first time that happened back in BtVS. They played scrupulously close to continuity, right down to Conner. In every way, the episode worked not only as a smooth summary of what had gone before (notice the effortless exposition, as opposed to last week’s painful info dump from Andrew) but a powerful sense of what’s to come. But…aw, ÐÃMN IT, Whedon.
WEST WING: Okay, finally. This one had everything. Toby, deciding he’s going to try and fix Social Security, almost singlehandedly derails his own career and the Bartlet administration. No good deed went unpunished, and every best laid scheme gang agley (as they aft do). I’m still wrestling with how I felt about the ending. If you take the episode to its most reasonable outcome, Toby’s resignation is accepted, he’s gone, there’s some shouting on Capitol Hill for a while, and then everything settles down to non-business as usual while Social Security sinks slowly into the mire that no one is working to save it from. That’s what would have happened. Instead, once Toby started working with Josh (as opposed to working at cross purposes with him) they actually managed to sort things out, strike a deal, and save the program…although Bartlet had to keep quiet about how they brought it all about so his “legacy” remains barren (but, on the other hand, Toby gets to stay.) But you know what? That’s what “West Wing” is *supposed* to be about. An idealized government where things get done and nobility and self-sacrifice are the order of the day, instead of self-interest and ášš-covering. Perhaps it’s so long that we’ve seen that–either in our own government or in Bartlet’s–that it’s hard to accept it when it’s there. So yeah, I’ll give ’em the ending, unlikely as it seems. You know why? Because I haven’t slept.
Baby’s crying. Gotta go.
PAD
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I liked the Angel episode and was surprised by the way it ended. I knew Charisma Carpenter wasn’t coming back on a regular basis and figured Cordelia was simply going to do something different with her life for a time. I didn’t expect it to end the way it did, but I think it provides a more memorable, if sadder, exit for the character.
As to the figure in the bed, I never gave it any thought once we saw Cordy up and around. If someone had asked me at that moment, I probably would’ve pointed out that both Buffy and Angel had moments where you thought A was true, but in fact B was. Case in point, when Cordelia was impaled on Buffy, the scene cut to a funeral. Then a moment later we see Buffy and Willow walk past talking about how Cordy’s going to be fine. Along those same lines I took the figure in the bed as a piece of misdirection for both the audience and Wes and Angel so Cordy could surprise them.
Turns out it was misdirection, but of another kind.
I agree thac the episode gives Henry Blake’s finale a run for its money.
Rick
Okay, I’m probably way out in left field here, but is there any chance that Lindsey’s tattoos were removed with some sort of transference spell (rather than just being erased)? Something about the way Wes said “I think I feel it working…” (or something much like that) felt portentious to me. I’m wondering if he felt them moving on to him. I know that they looked like they were vaporising off of Lindsey, but heck, it’s magic…
And I really like the idea of Wesley being invisible to the Senior Partners. Now THAT would be a nice attribute for the gang to have while working for Powers they don’t trust.
Oh, and I can believe Spike was a Donkey Kong fan – even vampires can’t resist the lure of DK – just like I’m sure W&H labs could burn the DK code onto an chip and put in an XBox cartridge (or whatever). It’s pirating software, but they’re evilllll… (some of them anyway).
Actually, [lech]I’d much prefer to see those marks on Eve.[/lech]. Seriously, I’d bet that Wes could duplicate the effect if he was willing to let himself be tattooed with symbols.
As to the Donkey Kong, I think it actually makes sense for Spike to be told to play video games as a means of retraining his manual dexterity. I can also see him obstinately demanding a Donkey Kong game as the game he’d use.
Great episodes both Smallville and Angel
Smallville: I too rewound the part with the vision of the cape and was tickled at the “you’re immortal” line.
Angel: Cordy’s departure was excellent writing and all I had in my mind was “What will Buffy say when she finds out?” After all, Cordy was one of the original cast members.
On thinking about it, I’m wondering just how this whole “liasion to the senior partners” gig works vis a vis hooking up with someone actively working against them. We have to assume that 1) Eve was chosen by said partners either before or after meeting Lindsey. If before, well, Lindsey must be *dámņ* good in bed to convince her to work against the very scary repercussions of going against ’em. If after, one wonders about the partners’ background checking ability.
And 2) Um, the partners never noticed Eve entering a particular house and going off their radar completely? Or talking to/having sex with an invisible entity?
On reflection, Eve both being the liasion and working with Lindsey just doesn’t add up. At least not yet.
As for the flashback episode next week, all the trailer made me think was “Hey, didn’t Spike not know that Angel had a soul when they met up after not seeing each other for years and years back in Buffy, Season 2?” Then again, he also said at the time that Angel was his sire, so it may be time to a little retcon…
I read an interview a couple of weeks back, where they were talking about the Spike/Angel dynamic. Basically, they’ve seen each other at their worst, so neither one of them wants to believe the other really has a soul, figuring its just some act the other is playing for their own reasons.
Such as, in the Boxer Rebellion episode, Angel is upset about Spike killing the Slayer, but Spike thinks its because Angel is jealous that Spike is coming up in the world, not because he’s disgusted by the act. For the WWII episode, Spike may dismiss Angel’s heroics for similiar reasons, and be completely ignorant of Angel’s possession of a soul.
But they’ve tweaked the Angel/Spike stuff before. It’s apparent from “School Hard” that they’re old buddies, but as the season progresses, it becomes apparent that these two characters would never have liked each other much… and they conviently forgot the friendly demenor the two shared in “School Hard”.
Well actually in the “flash” of clark’s future it looked like the time barrier from early issues of the legion.
and that reminded me that it was about this point in superman’s life or maybe a bit into the future of this Clark’s life that the legion came to meet him for the first time.
I think it would be kind of neat if they could work some kind of small nod into one of the episodes.
three ordinary looking teenagers, you don’t even have to have them do much in the way of powers if you only used Cos, Imra and lightning lad.
they use as much or more spfx for their freaks of the week.
As for Angel, I’m guessing we’ll probably find out what kind of creature was in the container in the basement before long and what Lindsay and Eve’s overall plan was before the end of the season.
and I second Peter’s “ÐÃMN!”
(Oh my god, they killed Cordy! those bášŧárdš!)
*sigh*
I’ve been a bit dissapointed with this season of Angel, I just felt that something was missing. Last night I realized what I was missing, Charisma. I still love the show, but like I said, it’s been a bit off for me. Halfway through the episode, I became upset, when Cordila gave Angel the speech of her being tere to help him, I pretty much yelled out loud that Joss and company have Six Sensed us, and that the body in the hospital was hers. Then I see her being physical and touching things and i was happy again, Cordy was indeed back. Than came her final speech about her being on a different road and the phone ringing, my thoughts came back to her being dead. Thank you Mutant Enemy for this extremly well done episode. Ðámņ, they made me tear up, that hasn’t happed since the Buffy’s mom passed away. Anyway, I truly hope that we haven’t seen the last of Lindsey and Eve, it was too easy of an exit for them, and I still believe that the Big Bad this season still might be Gunn, we still don’t know the full extant of what W & H put in his head.
Some thoughts on Adam Knight, AKA Bruce Wayne AKA Ian Somerhalder.
Nobody is saying (yet) that Gotham is in Oklahoma.
Adam SAID he was from OK.
Adam SAID he never played a piano like that.
Adam SAID his name is Adam.
“Adam” as Lex is discovering – is a big Liar.
I’m glad they have Lex and Adam squaring off. If He is Bruce, then they’re both manipulative rich boys.
The argument that it’s too obvious doesn’t gibe. I mean the first clues were that his sweatshirt had a 27 on it, for gosh sakes! Not every veiwer is as rabid a comics fan as that. Some are probably still in the dark, so to speak.
Also, this isn’t Buffy or Angel, with its incredible red herrings. Vampires?
Smallville is going to keep teasing us with the Bruce angle, until we’re ready to burst, then throw a red herring at us, then when we aren’t sure, then they’ll spring it. Theoretically.
Angel/Buffy work as a “Holy crap, I never saw that coming” factor, while Smallville is more of a “Finally! I was waiting for them to do that” factor.
The syringe could be anything, including part of an investigation by Adam.
If it IS Bruce, I hope there’s some rooftop jumping before this arc concludes.
If it isn’t Bruce, I would be kind of pìššëd that it’s taking so long, and that they wasted the opportunity.
A Bruce spin-off would be good, too. We could call it, “Birdss-of-Prey: the early years.”
(Also, he should keep taking off his shirt. It’s um…heroic. Yeah. That’s it. Heroic.)
I freeze framed the shot of Lex’s computer with Adam Knight’s info. It was a “post-operative medical report”. I wish I hadn’t deleted it from my Tivo so I can say for sure. But it said he’s from OK, his security clearance–YES, SECURITY CLEARANCE– was either 0 or 8. His DOB was n/a as were some other items. That’s all that I could find legible in the various freeze-frames that Tivo could muster.
And I agree with Randall, Adam needs to be more “heroic” with that shirt thing. Clark, too. And Jonathan. Not to mention Lana… Ðámņ, where’s my BF when I need him???
Daniel
Oh, one not-serious thing: Who was on crack when they decided to have Spike playing Donkey Kong on an X-Box? That was just….stupid.
I just figured that was a joke at the expense of the standard television/movie practice of having characters play the latest state-of-the-art console/computer, and using extremely dated video game audio. There was a recent Computer Store commercial where two guys are playing “the latest games”, and the sound effects were from the Atari 2600 Pac-Man.
So, at first, I’m smiling thinking they’re doing the usual thing with Spike playing an X-Box while playing old sound effects… then he reveals that he’s actually playing the old game on the latest state-of-the-art system. So, two laughs for the price of one… one time, laughing at them; second time, laughing with them.
On Angel:
I really like the character of Lindsay, and the actor that plays him, and it was good to see (as we were reminded) one of Angel’s first villains come back for ep. 100, but the character’s motivation was severely lacking.
And what was with the taunting Angel when he was down? Nobody’s that stupid,and how many times does he have to pull a sword out of his chest before people start to notice that that doesn’t kill him?
It was nice to see Doyle mentioned for more than a second, though.
Bring Back Lindsay!
I viewed SMALLVILLE on a recording, so naturally I froze on Lex’s laptop. I noticed the security clearance thing, but I figured that was mostly a standard field in the file, which seemed to be a LuthorCorp file. (Or Lex was just viewing the file on a LuthorCorp browser or file viewer. Who’s to say that Lionel can’t give Bill Gates a run for his money?
One other tidbit (or titbit… did you just call me a tit? And a gormy one at that?) was that his POB was Metropolis. (Or Northropolis… fuzzy VCR freeze frame.)
I think we can safely take it for granted that not every item we learn about Adam is 100% accurate.
eddie
(who is just waiting for everyone to run up and tackle him to the ground and touch him all over.)
(Not me, Adam, that is.)
Well, I had read some spoilers a few days ago about the ending of the episode. I was kind of sorry to see they were true, but I think it will have a long lasting effect on Angel, which is a good thing I guess. Maybe Cordelia’s pep talks will be able to serve as a catalyst to get Angel and company out of W&H.
I really liked seeing that after Spike realized his mistake with attacking Cordelia,\ Angel didn’t keep attacking him for very long. It’s almost like he’s starting (key word is starting) to trust Spike, which is very cool IMO.
Harmony was a riot, and Spike playing videogames. How great was that? Interesting that they showed a X-Box but the sounds and Spike’s description were off the old Donkey Kong game (one of the first, if not the first, games featuring Mario.) Did they rerelease that game for the X-Box
I am hoping to hear from Lindsey again sometime in the future. I’d like to know what exactly happens with him and the Sr. Partners.
Haven’t seen the episode of Smallville yet (it airs here later tonight – Thursday), so if the following contradicts anything in it, that’s why.
The Adam as Bruce Wayne thing just has never scanned right for me. While the show is not, of course, entirely beholden to comics canon, it just smells wrong.
Adam Strange would be a likelier candidate (someone whose background is fairly undefined and who, presumably, has enough independent resources to disappear for days and weeks at a time). Perhaps Adam eventually dabbles in stage magic or illusion, and uses ‘Strange’ as a stage name.
My favorite wheels-within-wheels theory about who will turn out to be Bruce Wayne, and, eventually, Batman, is —
The ‘maybe dead, maybe not’ other son of Lionel Luthor.
Private adoption arranged with a reclusive couple (the Waynes) – either already wealthy or made wealthy by Luthor.
Couple killed by Luthor (for his own twisted reasons) when the child was still very young.
And what if Luthor brought the castle to Smallville, but sent the family retainer who was employed there (Alfred) to watch over the ‘other’ child?
And, to open a whole different can of worms, isn’t it a bit too convenient that the elder Luthor’s first name could be pronounced Lion-El?
The script possibilties of that are very, very intriguing.
Re: Smallville. I was wondering if the music that Adam was playing (“Variations on a theme of Paginnini”), was another tribute to the once-and-future guest star Christopher Reeve, since that was used as his character’s favorite piece of music in “Somewhere In Time.”
Angel:
Spike obviously has a modded Xbox running MAME.
http://www.mame.net/
Is it possible that Cordy passed her visions along to Angel with that wonderful kiss at the end? Just like Doyle did to her?
Great to see that clip of Glenn Quinn. The dynamic between Doyle, Cordelia and Angel has never been duplicated.
I loved both Angel and Smallville this week. Wednesday night is becoming my favorite night of the week. I get a fresh batch of comics from the store and two of my favorite shows. I just wish ABC would bring back ‘Karen Sisco’ and put it on at 10 PM on Wed.
Oh, on the subject of Cordelia, maybe she is going to be a “Whitelighter.” This way she can continue to help the innocent. (Well, a man can dream can’t he?)
Smallville: As much as I’m hoping that Adam is Bruce Wayne, odds are that it isn’t. It’s just as possible that it’s another person from that mental institute they are using in this season with Lex. Telepathy could explain all the stuff he’s done. Still, I’m hoping. Has anyone noticed:
Adam West + Dark Knight= Adam Knight.
Angel: Great send-off for Cordy. Now Boreanaz is the only one from the original season left.
If you mean from Episode 1, then yes, but Wes and Gunn made their first appearances in Season 1, Wes becoming a cast regular pretty much right after Doyle left.
Makes Angel the only Original left even going back to Buffy Season 1, Episode 1 (only regular at least).
And to the poster who said the saw Spoilers that Gunn was to be a bad guy later this season… I hope not, not because Gunn is a character I care about much (I’m sure after watching Season 2 & 3, and then 4 when it hits DVD I’ll like him based on what I’ve seen), but isn’t that kind of what happened with Cordie in Season 4 and Willow in Buffy Season 6?
The whole “Oh now, our friend is now our enemy!” is really played at this point…
Randall Kirby posted: Also, this isn’t Buffy or Angel, with its incredible red herrings.
Ah, but let’s keep in mind that a former BUFFY staff writer, Drew Greenberg, is now a SMALLVILLE staff writer…
Makes Angel the only Original left even going back to Buffy Season 1, Episode 1 (only regular at least).
Actually, Angel was not a regular in the first season of BUFFY. David Boreanaz was credited as a guest star and was not in the opening credits, and didn’t appear in every episode. He appeared in seven of the 12 first season episodes — just over half. He didn’t graduate to full cast member — complete with appearance in the opening credits — until the start of season 2.
Angel:
Yeah, Spike probably got his modded xbox from Knox. He seems like the kinda guy who would have one of those and/or the ability to modify one.
Smallville:
While I really like the idea of Adam being Bruce Wayne, I am starting to lean more towards him being Lionel’s clone. Clues: Says he was “injured in a fire” – some sort of left over memory? – also when he had his nightmare, the said something to the order of “it burns”. And as to his mystery skills, maybe the clone has been “programmed” to have these skills. But, by whom and why???
I FORGOT TO TURN THE VCR OFF! NO ANGEL!
Ðámņ.
On Thursday, though, desperate to know what happened with Cordy, I found a full synopsis on the Internet. I read the opening paragraph, a few lines here and there, then, like a kid at Christmas, skipped the little presents for the big one and jumped down to the last few paragraphs.
I’m 42 years old, married, sitting in a law school library and my eyes just welled up. I hadn’t felt that way since Anya’s speech about what death is on Buffy in reference to Buffy’s mom dying. Freaking unbelieveable the power Joss Whedon et al. have given these characters that a few lines about an event brought me to tears. When Buffy started Cordy was a stereotype; by Angel #100 she was as complete a character that you could expect. I never thought I’d care for a character of that mold as I grew to like Cordelia. Just a magnificent job all around.
If Joss Whedon can write X-Men in this manner I may be buying my first X-title since X-Men: The Hidden Years.
As for Charisma Carpenter, she seems to be campaigning for the role of Wonder Woman. She may not have the height, but the role could be cast much worse; besides, she is admitting to enjoying Lynda Carter in the role and it is rare when someone in a modern version of anything finds anything but fault in the older version. Besides, if she isn’t even being considered for Lois Lane and Catwoman is out of the picture, then Wonder Woman it is.
Oh, by the way, nexts week’s Angel. The Joss-verse shows have a tendency to divert from the traditional story line after a major event, I think to let the audience mull over what the changes said event is going to bring. When there was an overriding story arc through a season, the divergence from that main story was noticeable; without an arc, I think that going to a “Times Past” story of Angel looks to be more than what it is, a way for the audience and creators to catch their collective breaths.
Greg
Juilo, he wasn’t? Ðámņ, blows that out of the water then.
How about “The only steadily employed actor/actress in the Buffyverse”?
For people who were upset or downright angry about Cordelia being killed off, several options have sprung up.
There is an online petition at http://wwww.petitiononline.com/ccats85/petition.html
You can go to the WB web site at http://thewb.com/Index/0,7349,,00.html and express your feelings at Angel Feedback ( Feedback is located at the Angel Site) and on the Angel Message Boards ( Angel Message Boards are located under Message Boards). There is a thread that I would particularly recommend that people post on called Official ATS Board Petition: Bring Back Cordy!!!Write a Message to Joss Here where
people can express their feelings to Joss Whedon (I mean, if Mutant Enemy checks out any message boards, you know the WB’s message boards will be the ones)but there are many other valuable threads as well. There are a lot of upset people out there!
There is a snail mail address for Joss Whedon. I didn’t post this so I’m not 100% sure it’s accurate but it’s certainly worth a try.
Joss Whedon
c/o Mutant Enemy
PO Box 900
Beverly Hills, Ca. 90213
And finally over at http://www.renewangel.com also known as http://www.supportangel.org (some browsers can connect with one URL but not the other) under the Other Strategies and Ideas Forum, there is a thread called Fixing the Cordy Situation where we’re trying to figure out what else we can do. Anybody is welcome, whether you want Cordy back full time,part time or if you just want one episode to fix things so that Cordy is written out in the way that she and her fans deserve.
Scott
Re: Angel as a regular – he wasn’t in the full credits, but was a recurring character in the first season.
Even so, let’s not forget Harmony. She was present in Buffy’s premiere, a recurring character in the first season, and survives to today. So to speak.
As far as Gotham City not being in Oklahoma, it is no more in Oklahoma than Metropolis is in Kansas. In DC, IIRC both are analogs to New York City and are fairly close to it.
The Security Clearance appeared to be a 0 to me. The whole file looked like it was a LutherCorp file, probably showing that the special treatment Adam is receiving is from a LutherCorp project (hopefully not involving meteor rocks).
If Adam is Bruce, then either he’s practicing his acting skills or he suffering partial amnesia from something (like trying to save some people from a burning building).
Slight correction to my previous post: Angel Feedback is actually located on Page 2 of the Angel Site at the WB Site. Sorry about that.
Scott
Good point Elizabeth, was she in Buffy S6/Angel S3 or Buffy S7/Angel S4 at all?
While Angel may have been listed in just a guest capacity and only in half of the episodes of the half-season 1, he has at least had a major role from Buffy day 1. I know Harmony ws in every season of Buffy upto season 5, but not familiar enough with Angel Seasons 2-4 yet to recall.
Now I’m trying to remember if Jonathon appeared at all in Season 5…
Final correction (hopefully)
Forgot to mention that you have to register to use the Feedback and Message Board stuff at the WB Site. Sorry about that.
Best wishes,
Scott
I think Cordy’s departure was handled beautifully. Looking back, and remembering how shallow and downright mean she was in the first season of BTVS, it was fascinating to watch her grow into Angel’s conscience. It was fitting that she returned to inspire him to be the hero he was before joining W&H. I also loved that she left, giving him her blessing and approval to continue the fight from within W&H and that she let him know that the PTB, despite the events of the past two seasons, still haven’t abandoned him.
I loved the video of Doyle, cut from the show far to early and the reference to the first episode meeting between Angel and Lindsey. I didn’t realize even how much I had missed Cordy’s bantar on the show until it was back, and now she has gone on to her next journey.
I am concerned that Gunn is starting to like being the smart guy all of a sudden. Remember when his attitude was “kill all demons and let God sort them out?” Now he’s representing them. Weird. I can definitely see him slipping towards the dark side as this season progresses.
This is not a correction. This is a confirmation. Joss Whedon’s Snail Mail address is correct.
Scott
I really enjoyed this week’s Smallville and agree with PAD’s views on it.
One theory of mine that’s been in my mind about the Adam character is that (dum dum DUUUUM): he’s a clone of Lionel Luthor.
I don’t know why, but the whole thing with him knowing martial arts, piano, etc. just screams to me as being “programmed” somehow.
ANGEL: Everything about Wednesday’s episode was absolutely on target. It was beautifully plotted, beautifully dialogued, and beautifully acted by all. Special kudos to Boreanz and Carpenter for their scenes together–and another tip of the hat to Ms. Carpenter for being such a classy person and coming back to finish Cordy’s arc if it is true that her parting from the show last season was not all that amicable–hmm, perhaps SMG could take a lesson from her?
I also think the “Doyle” scene was a wonderful and classy bow to the late Glenn Quinn by Mutant Enemy–this might be a strange question, but would Quinn’s family or beneficiary receive any “residuals” for the late actor’s appearance in the show?
Yes, I will miss Cordelia…but I also think that to bring her back could lessen the (recovered)integrity of the character as well as the impact of this story. Unless, maybe, as with the Doyle “cameo,” it is done quite a piece down the road.
Mindy
re: Spike playing Donkey Kong on an Xbox…
Consider that PS/2 and XBox are the top grpahics Video Game consoles out there, and Spike is over 100 years old and never played videogames before, it makes a kind of twisted, perverse sense to be playing one of the oldest video games on one of the powerhouse systems of today.
Considering Team Angel’s writers senses of humor, it does fit from that perspective.
Somehow I think Grand Theft Auto is a game Spike would have been incredibly into/good at.
Maybe he was losing because he was still getting used to his reattched hands…
What I’d like to know is if Adam is who a lot of persons think he is, why was he having a nightmare about birds? (picked that up using the closed-captioning function).
Forgive the lateness in this reply, but I was slow in catching up with Smallville.
From what I’ve seen so far on here, let me be one of the few that disagrees with everyone and state that I do not believe Adam is actually Bruce Wayne. I understand how everything that has been revealed so far may lead to that conclusion, but I just don’t buy it. Also one clue that no one has mentioned (or at least that I noticed) was that when Adam first goes to shake hands with Lana while in recovery, there is a close up of his hand with his sleeve slightly pulled up and it appears to be revealing some type of tattoo on his wrist. They cut back to their faces and when it shows them actually shaking hands, the sleeve is pulled back down and there is nothing to see. I paused on the scene, but it was too difficult to tell exactly what the tattoo was. Still I believe this was shown for a purpose and will become relevant later when we learn who Adam really is. For some reason my mind screams Android, though that may be because of the Adam from Buffy. Still can anyone say Metallo?
Yes, I will miss Cordelia…but I also think that to bring her back could lessen the (recovered)integrity of the character as well as the impact of this story. Unless, maybe, as with the Doyle “cameo,” it is done quite a piece down the road.
Mindy
Got to respectfully disagree. My own feeling is that the episode reestablished the integrity of her character and how fertile it is for further development. I think to ignore that potential, to do nothing with the doors that it so well opened would be to really cheapen the impact of the episode.
Best wishes,
Scott
Question is, even though Cordy’s human body has died, are the TPTB merely “upgraded” her to a new form to do more work elsewhere, or has she finally reached her “Heaven” (and Willow better not go jerking anyone else out of their personal Heaven’s after Season 6). (Frankly, that’s what I consider the most evil thing she did S6, Warren had it coming, and to a lesser extent so did Andrew and Johnathon, and another quite frankly, could the police have really kept them long with their knowledge of magick and demons? Or, would time in jail merely make them more hardcore evil than the softcore, unthinking of the consequences evil they were?)
Closed-captioning is funny that way, sometimes. He was screaming “It burns” during the nightmare (parents killed in a fire, remember), not something about ‘birds.’
“few” who disagree? I think the majority here disagree that it’s Bruce.
It’s Bruce.
According to information on upcoming episodes at http://www.kryptonsite.com/ it is NOT Bruce.
Question is, even though Cordy’s human body has died, are the TPTB merely “upgraded” her to a new form to do more work elsewhere, or has she finally reached her “Heaven” (and Willow better not go jerking anyone else out of their personal Heaven’s after Season 6). (Frankly, that’s what I consider the most evil thing she did S6, Warren had it coming, and to a lesser extent so did Andrew and Johnathon, and another quite frankly, could the police have really kept them long with their knowledge of magick and demons? Or, would time in jail merely make them more hardcore evil than the softcore, unthinking of the consequences evil they were?)
Interesting. Cordy coming back in a new body, one that would look like her old one (because,hey, she’s Cordy and it doesn’t matter how evolved she gets,there are some character traits she’s never going to let go of and vanity’s definitely one of them…) but one with certain…improvements…I like it. That would certainly be one good way out of this (Her being in Heaven seems a bit more unlikely since she’s already been there and was bored out of her mind…).
BTW, I do have to say in Willow’s defense, what she did to Buffy was unintentional and well-meaning. Certainly not the smartest thing she ever did but it wasn’t evil.
Scott
Consider that PS/2 and XBox are the top grpahics Video Game consoles out there, and Spike is over 100 years old and never played videogames before, it makes a kind of twisted, perverse sense to be playing one of the oldest video games on one of the powerhouse systems of today.
Here’s something that I don’t think anyone has thought of: Aren’t the sound FX of video games proprietary? Maybe Spike was playing Donkey Kong simply because the sound FX of an older game are cheaper than havng to pay for the license fees of say, “Grand Theft Auto?”
Julie, although this board freely discusses spoilers from past episodes, spoilers from future episodes should be preceded by a warning.
I’m going to pretend that the folks at Kryptonsite don’t know what they’re talking about, which may be the case anyway. Creative teams have been known to lead fans astray, both through red herrings in the show itself, and though spreading false rumors and previews to fan sites.
It’s so much more fun to speculate about whether Adam is Bruce than it is to know, at least until the question is answered in the show itself!
I dunno Scott, going through all the trouble she went to to obtain the spell and the components, I wouldn’t say bringing Buffy back from the dead was “unintentional”. 🙂
An while it may not have been intentionally evil, I’d have to say pulling someone out of Heaven is evil, despite ignorance of the true position of one’s soul Heaven-\Hëll-wise… You’d think Willow would have tried to find out where Buffy’s soul had gone first…
Cordy has already been to “Heaven”, what season was that, hopefully two or three since it’s a while before Angel S4 comes out on DVD…
Actually, I was thinking maybe Cordy was working on a whole new level, extra-dimensional when I mentioned ” a new form” for her. Sort of the TPTB “graduated” her from the human world to a “higher” spiritual level.
Although I’d love to see her in a bizarre Al Calavici-like role, as she moves around helping convince random people to join the battle against evil. Cordy the hologram/ghost with her attitude and style trying to convince everyday people to do the unusual and fight the evil man was not meant to know….
Quantumn Leap meets Buffy/Angel…
Now that’s a cross-over I’d have loved to see. But who would Sam have leapt into? Spike would be extremely entertaining.
“Al, why don’t I have a heartbeat? And what’s with these fangs?”