Joy supreme. A thread in which I won’t be accused of being sexist, man-hating, copycatting, etc. Brand new “Angel.” Pacing was a bit too leisurely, but that’s minor. Still one of the best shows on the air.
Man, for a while there you even start wondering–despite everything–whether Jasmine might be on the up and up somehow. And then we hit the halfway mark and Fred sees a face out of the Clive Barker handbook, and bam. Suddenly we’ve got a story of creeping paranoia and “Am I the only one?”-ism that rivals “Bodysnatchers.” Of all the regulars to be on the outside, Fred was the perfect choice. Her slowly dawning realization of just how screwed she was as she watched Wesley rat her out was masterful.
Still wondering why Angel felt the need to intercept the crossbow bolt with his body when we’ve seen him pluck them out of mid-air with a lot less warning. Ah well. I can accept he’s not thinking straight.
That final shot with the guy wandering past the window and kneeling was also great.
I wonder if Gina Torres ever does conventions, if fans will start kneeling to her just for laughs.
I was briefly confused when that guy attacked Jamine early on. His face was so angular that at first I thought he was a vampire. That business later on with “Don’t let her touch you” just played up the “Bodysnatchers” angle even more. I kept waiting for him to shout “You’re next! You’re next!”
“She’s kind of Mocha.” Perhaps she should have been given the name “Starbucks.” Or “Latte.”
And hey…how about those BTVS commercials with strains of “You Gotta Have Faith” playing under them. Really, the promos for BTVS have been better written than some of the episodes…
PAD
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Someone on the AICN site mentioned that the vamp Angel chased out into the street bumped into the guy that tried to kill Jasmine, and that both were bleeding. Later Fred washed her shirt til she bleed, mixing with Jasmine’s blood. So some how blood is the key. Kind of a stretch but this is a Joss show.
Gee, I wasn’t thinking prior to Fred seeing the maggots that Jasmine might be good. I was thinking we were seeing a Jack Kirby homage of “What if Darkseid got the anti-life equation”. The whole worship thing was really freaking me out.
And yeah, there was definitely a Body Snatchers/Heinlein’s Puppet Masters vibe going on once Fred woke up. But the one problem I had with her actions were her choosing to confide in Wesley. Um, she’s seen how everyone else is acting around Jasmine. She doesn’t know why she’s snapped out of it, but she knows the rest of them haven’t. Just talking to Wes is most likely *not* going to snap him out of it, and never mind Wes going to the others, *Wes* can easily take out Fred these days. That was definitely a “Don’t go in the dark basement with the lights out you idiot!” moment.
Interesting how none of the vamps in the bowling alley bowed down to Jasmine, one of them even hurting her. I’m guessing one has to have a soul to be affected by her, thus the use of the AI team to wipe out the soulless in LA.
Hmm, if Jasmine can broadcast her influence via TV (flashbacks to John Christoper’s Tripods prequel), awfully convenient she’s limiting herself to a local LA show rather than going national. Simple enough to do so; influence the local news, who broadcast her to the network HQs, who then interrupt for a special bulletin and you get sea-to-sea Jasmine.
I think Jasmine is continuing what she started in Chordelia, making Connor her champion. Judging from next week’s preview it looks like Angel will snap out of it, leading to another father/son brawl.
I think Angel caught the arrow with his body instead of with his hand because he was that fanatical. It wasn’t good enough to catch it, he had to suffer to save her.
Great episode, can’t wait for next week.
I didn’t see that episode of Angel nor have I ever seen it, but speaking as someone who imagines I can curry favor with women I’ll never meet by giving knee-jerk responses I don’t understand, I’m offended by the sexist, racist overtones suggested by fans kneeling to Gina Torres. All women will hate that and as a secretary I feel there’s no question I’m better qualified to say that than the two women credited with writing that episode.
Where else but on Angel can you get creeped out by a father and son acting like, well, a father and son?
I thought it was a little odd that PAD singled out the scene with the rotting face. It just kind of struck me as one of the obvious moments. I think it would have been more interesting to keep it a little more vague. Maybe even have a Big Bad that has the best intentions or at least believes it does. That could have made for some interesting internal conflict for Angel who is himself a “monster” trying to redeem himself through doing good. It’s not like Angel feeds the homeless or works with orphans. His good works are usually violent and destructive. The main difference between his past life and now is that now he does bad things to bad folks instead of good folks.
To Ray, I think PAD understood the point being demonstrated about devotion to Jasmine but I think that what he’s saying is that Angel shouldn’t have had to throw himself in front of a crossbow bolt to stop it. It comes across as a scene written so the screenwriter can make the point instead of one that’s true to the characters. Still, your point is well-taken that the gang is not themselves. It seems like that would be Fred’s only hope if she’s going to take them all on even though I expect it won’t really be a physical confrontation.
Honestly, as good as this season has been, it’s starting to irritate me a little. We haven’t seen the real Cordy since the third episode, and HOW many times this season has Angel spent most of an episode “not himself”? He was sort of insane in the premere, the third episode had him basicaly mind controlled, THEN we had mind control that led to Angelus (which means that the star of the show is basically NOT PLAYING HIS REAL ROLE), and now, on top of that, brainwashed by whom I’m suspecting might be the antichrist…
I’m just looking forward to more episodes of Angel where… well… Angel is ANGEL. And Cordy isn’t the Big Bad or in a coma or amnesiatic. It’s really wearing thin. As tiresome as this season of Buffy has gotten (since when is the Summers home a Halfway House?), I can at least usually expect the characters to act like themselves.
Sigh… I long for the days when Buffy resisted her destiny on some level instead of acepting it full force. THOSE were the good days. Now she’s all business. Yawn. And have they helped ANY helpless this season on Angel? Wasn’t that the POINT of the series? Of Angel Investigations? They’ve just sat around for the most part while trying to make sense of this insanity.
Interesting that Fred chose to go to Wesley rather than Gunn when she was looking for help. That might be the final stake in their relationship when all this is over.
ANGEL is the best fantasy show on TV. renewangel.com
brainwashed by whom I’m suspecting might be the antichrist…
I had the same thoughts as I was watching – I think I even said it to my cat Ophelia. “Philly,” I said, “it’s as if she is really the Anti-Christ. The way she effects everyone like Christ must have is creepy. What do you think?”
She just looked up at me an said, “meow.”
LOL – I am quite sure my cat thinks I am quite nuts sometimes…on a side note, how do you get to PADs board on AOL? I looked last night and couldn’t find it.
Xyon
I have never watched a full episode of Angel before, but last night, after Dawson’s Creek (read: fiancee’s favorite show), I continued watching the WB. The episode was quite eerie and all the cooler. Every time Jasmine showed her beautiful face, I kept hearing Grandpa Abe Simpson shout, “Eeeevuuul!” There’s tons of back story I don’t know nuttin’ about, but I definitely want to watch more.
How did Fred break the spell of Jasmine? My guess is the Clorox that she was heavily washing the shirt with. It cures everything, like Windex.
Very biblical episode. As stated above, Jasmine is the equivalent of the anti-christ.
Quick question: wasn’t the guy who attacked her Darlene’s boyfriend from Roseanne… Johnny Galecki? You know,Kevin Healy… whose brother Mark was played by… Glenn Quinn?
I thought it was him. Nice tie in…
Travis
How to get to PAD’s board on AOL.
Keyword= comic fan
Click on Message Boards
Click on the general Folder
scroll down to “Peter David Speaks”
Click on that folder and join the chaos within.
Kathleen
Thank you Mrs. David! Greatly Appreciated! 🙂
I like the idea posted that maybe contact with vampire blood or connection with the blood “Jasmine” of vampire lineage might be what opens up the eyes. This means that now that Angel’s injury might have opened up his eyes.
One of Jasmine’s limitions appears thta she doesn’t know all of her physical limitations, and Angel is experienced enough to keep faking it.
The other really interesting thing I saw was that “Jasmine” seemed to gain power off BOTH violent and positive emotions. She’ll take either kind. I hadn’t considered what one poster said that the souless could see her and that’s why the violent clean up.
Lastly, I see at least part of what Jasmine is saying as possible truth. If “The Powers” were once living beings of the earth like the parents of the Olympians in myth or the “elder gods,” some might techniclly not be deamons just in-human. Likewise the life force of a “Power” might persist after corporial “death.” This means, also with some forshadowing with Buffy on how the first slayer was created that “The Powers” are more of neutral force, it was only our poor heroes who wanted them to seem more like literal angelic beings or a part of the “good” force of creation. Besides, it isn’t a lie to say that the world will be different or people will be at peace if they either are dead or lack free will.
That wasn’t Johnny Galecki.
Second I thought it was obvious it was the transfer of Jasmine’s blood that made her true form visible to the guy and Fred. Fred said she scrubbed the shirt so hard she bled. It must not take much blood because she must’ve gotten blood from the shirt in her cut.
I thought Jasmine’s true face was brilliant. It totally explains why the guy wanted to kill her, the vibes her true form must send off have to be Lovecraftian weird.
Peter, Gina Torres was scheduled to do what I believe would’ve been her first convention (Creation’s Grand Slam Sci-Fi Summit in Pasadena, California) almost two weeks ago but cancelled, perhaps because her appearance was linked to her role on Firefly. Too bad. 🙁
The episode was pretty good and A:TS is easily one of the best series this year…. it was VERY unsettling to see the WB promos of the upcoming sweeps to not include A:TS. It really should be renewed (particularly if Joss can provide it more attention with the end of Firefly and BTVS). How about switching to ABC and moving it (back) to Sunday, after Alias?
The episode was OK… I agree with some of the above and I am tired of Angel being out of sorts (the ANgelus run was fun) but it would be nice to see the group get back to their knitting. A coouple of wishes: 1.) PLEASE, PLEASE don’t have Cordelia recover from her coma and be the “real” cordelia again and provide the impetus to the saving the day. TOO trite and predictable… my preference would be to just go away… I want snarky Cordelia back or the first few seasons and BTVS… not momma hen Cordelia. 2.) Let’s dump the office romances entirely for the rest of the season. There was too much non-fun romance with Angel-Cordelia, Cordelia-Connor (yuk), Gunn-Fred, Fred-Wesley and not enough fun romance like Wesley-Lilah and Gunn-Gwen!
If there is a next season… bring back Gwen regularly, add Willow to the cast, and get rid of Cordelia.
What ever happened to Kate the police officer in the first two seasons (the woman now on Law and Order)?
>>What ever happened to Kate the police officer in the first two seasons (the woman now on Law and Order)? <<
I think you answered your own question there – Elizabeth Rhome (sp?) wasn’t a regular cast member, so she had to find other work.
Gina Tores is one beautiful woman! And Baby Got BACK! I’d kneel to her if I ever saw her.
Anyway, I noticed that everyone has been saying how good the Angel series is, and while online yesterday, I noticed a top five shows for the WB Network. Angel was number five. Smallville was number one, Dawson’s Creek number two and Gilmore Girls number four. I don’t remember what number three was. Also, I also just read that the series will start reruns on TNT sometimne this fall. So anyone who’s missed episodes can see them there,
I think Marc’s right about Kate. Still, I hate dangling plot lines. For that matter, what about David Nabbit? Or Gunn’s self-destructive tendencies that Cordy wanted to save him from? Or Anne? I guess that’s the hazard of having so many different writers. Still, this show is terrific.
There have been a few mentions about how the blood might have been the key to opening Fred’s eyes. I’m not sure – did the first guy to attack Jasmine come in contact with her blood before he did it? And why was Jasmine so unconcerned about her bleeding wound, in that case? Fred did mention something about mental instability. I wonder if this is a call back to the Glory story line, where the crazy people could see Dawn for what she really was. Fred’s still not completely stable, as was witnessed by her break down after killing her professor.
I really liked this episode, though I wasn’t surprised about Jasmine being a big bad. Any being that can compel Angel to wear a shirt that ugly (yellow stripes?) must be evil.
And the guy kneeling outside the store at the end? Subtle and beautiful.
It clearly wasn’t coincidence that the previous bad guy was named the Beast. (Hadn’t really thought about it at the time, but in retrospect…) It would probably be more accurate to call Jasmine a false prophet or false messiah rather than the Antichrist, because while they’re clearly evoking Revelations the show’s mythology/backdrop has never been explicitly Christian.
And I was blown away by how she fit into the show’s themes. One of the key themes of “Angel” is atonement; along comes Jasmine, promising that the past doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter what bad things you did before, we can all be happy and it doesn’t matter…It’s easy to see the seductive power of that message, even as it goes against everything Angel has been striving for. (It’s fitting in a way that the one who broke free was Fred, who has the least to feel guilty about. Except possibly Lorne, but Lorne wouldn’t have worked in the role.)
While I agree that the blood is probably the key to breaking the spell (because there has to be some way to break Angel free, as we saw in the preview) it’s interesting that Fred seemed to be considering that the key is mental illness. (Cf. her questions to the guy in the hospital.) Fred’s shown obsessive-compulsive tendencies in the past, and that clearly came into play with the shirt. I don’t know if they’ll do anything more with it, but it added a sub-theme that enhanced the “outsider” theme.
I don’t blame Fred for going to Wesley. Trying to get help is the sort of thing that’s easy to criticize when you’re watching, but makes sense emotionally–not all decisions are made along strictly rational lines. And I don’t know if her going to Wesley over Gunn was meant as significant, but he’s the one I would have picked–he’s the one most likely to put what needs to be done over sentiment.
//I’m not sure – did the first guy to attack Jasmine come in contact with her blood before he did it?//
Possibly… she was hurt… but he said he was called… so therefore, he must be one of the chosen… or something to that matter…
I think we’ll find out soon.
Travis
Did anyone get what caused the disfigurement/mutation of the guy in the hospital who attacked Jasmine? He asked Fred if Jasmine touched her, but I thought she touched a lot of people (without all the ghastly skincrawling side effects). If it was her blood, Fred, Connor, and others should be mutating as we speak. Just wondering why.
I thought this episode started off too slow and didn’t get going until Fred woke up from the enchantment. Early on, there’s a bit where Wesley keeps giving the blissed-out Angel and Connor a suspicious eye – that’s the only real fun part of the first half.
I also keep flashing back to a similar storyline from the Deadpool comic books where Joe Kelly had set up Deadpool to go on a mission to kill “The Mithras,” an cosmic alien being that was the mesiah, but brought peace in the universe by taking away everyone’s free will, leaving behind a bunch of smiling cabbage heads. Deadpool could only kill it by wearing the skin of the alien he mistakingly killed that was supposed to have conquered over it. The skin was brainwash-proof.
The guy was clawed by the same vamp who clawed Jasmine. The blooed trasnfered there. Don’t you people PAY ATTENTION to the show?
Jasmine was clawed by the vamp in the melee, Angel ends up chasing that specific vamp out(he’s mad because the vamp hurt Jasmine, remember), the vamp attacks The Guy, guy is knocked down.
Angel stakes the vamp as he’s on top of The Guy, you can see the marks on The Guy’s chest.
Jasmine comes in does her thing, everyone goes happy, The Guy looks at her picks up a knife and lunges at her calling her a monster. Angel beats him.
THEN, Jasmine tells Angel to stop, and looks at the guy, she knew what had happened, she knew he was seeing her true face.
That is when she touches him. He’s lying on the edge of the fountain and she runs her hand along the side of his face and said something sweet, that’s when she messed up his face. It’s not a metaphorical thing. She knew what had happened and was marking him. Or punishing him.
I’m guessing only people who are able to see what Jasmine really is can see the Guy’s disfigurment. It’s tied into Jasmine’s true face.
I’m also guessing the disfigurement’s not tied into her blood so much as it is some thing she chooses to do to people who can see her true face.
And Fred said she scrubbed until her hands bled to get Jasmines blood from the blouse. There’s how she was able to see.
The whole blood transfer thing seemed pretty clear to me.
It’s the blood, and I’m guessing that Fred will make Angel drink some tainted blood(hers or somehow Jasmines) and that’s how he wakes up.
Another thing – am I missing any significance to the name “Jasmine”? Is there a “beautiful but deadly” aspect to the flower or am I reading way too much into it?
Another thing – am I missing any significance to the name “Jasmine”? Is there a “beautiful but deadly” aspect to the flower or am I reading way too much into it?
There may be something to the name Jasmine – other than just her favorite scent. When she first noticed the flowers outside, she commented on how they were floweriing at night. Remember when the sun was blocked out for weeks? Just part of the “Master” plan or something else?? hmmm…
Gina Torres has done several Creation shows, in connection with her recurring role as Nebula on Hercules (she also played Cleopatra on an episode of Xena) and her starring role on the short-lived Cleopatra 2525. So she’s hardly new to the convention circuit.
And I found this hour of Angel to be one of the more stultifying hours the show has done — there was about ten minutes of plot here stretched out to an hour’s worth of watching everyone act dippy. I was ready to gnaw my leg off at the knee….
—KRAD
Having recently purchased the rpg, Hunter: The Reckoning, I was immediately struck with the similarites between this episode and Fred’s ability to perceive what may be Jasmine’s true appearance.
And I found this hour of Angel to be one of the more stultifying hours the show has done
Without sounding too ignorant…
“Stultifying”? Your usage doesn’t mesh with the dictionary in my head (or the one on my computer).
Definition, por favor?
And I found this hour of Angel to be one of the more stultifying hours the show has done — there was about ten minutes of plot here stretched out to an hour’s worth of watching everyone act dippy. I was ready to gnaw my leg off at the knee….
I disagree. I think there were almost thirty minutes of plot.
About the Fred-talks-to-Wesley thing: I think that was a reasonable move on Fred’s part. Yes, there was a high probability it wouldn’t work. (As a physicist, she may have worked out the exact mathematical odds.) But Plan B was: Take on everyone in the world–including her closest friends–by herself. Talking to Wesley was a less risky alternative: Fred didn’t know what sort of enchantment Jasmine was using, and Wesley’s intellect and his love for Fred might have been able to overcome it. After all, she overcame it. As it turned out, she had to go with Plan B. She was able to implement it really quickly, so maybe she’d expected that all along.
–Daniel M.
(I’ve decided–not that you asked–to add my last initial, even though it makes me sound like Catherine Millet, since there’s another Daniel who posts here.)
Jam, you’re absolutely right about the guy’s disfigurement only being visible to those who can “see” through Jasmine. This is probably why the guy is confined to a loony ward rather than being treated for his condition (he’s raving on and on about a disfigurement no one can say).
This reminds me, in a way, of the X-Files episode in which only select people can see how “evil” the MOTW is (Mulder included).
I kept hearing Wayne & Garth saying, “We’re not worthy!” everytime someone bowed to Jasmine. Lol. BTW There are some very astute Angel fans posting here. You guys have this all figured out. I salute you!! I agree with the poster who said enough with the inter-office romances, but by the looks of next weeks preview (Angel & Fred kissin’) — there’s no respite from that stuff. Sigh.
I just thought of another thing…
“Jasmine” could be a play on the name “Jesus”. Perhaps her last name is “Carpenter”?
Btw, how many episodes of Angel are there left in the season? At the rate they’ve been burning through them in recent weeks, the end of the season must be getting close.
At least the pacing is better that BtVS. I know there are five new episodes coming up, but there has been no momentum leading up to them. It’s felt like the last couple of months have been nothing but endless repeats. Not the way to build up some excitement to the dash to the finish line.
Before I read through the posts here, and seeing the very credible blood theory (Holy Communion anyone?) I was thinking Jasmine might be giving off phermones. There was much ado made about the scent of her favorite flowers and namesake. The idea falls apart cuz if that was the case, then her TV appearance wouldn’t be effective unless the ME-verse has smell-o-vision.
The other thing I thought about was- what makes Fred different from the others? And I fixed on this: she’s mentally unstable. It’s been hinted at in the past that she may have had psychological disorders. (obsessive compulsive, etc) and that test she had to take in high school. Maybe only certain brains with neurochemical disorders are able to resist her spell. Fred had been very insistient in seeing if the Guy had been in the psych ward before, but he never did answer that question. However, I think the prevailing blood theory is the most plausible so far. If Fred cures Angel with her blood or Jasmine’s blood, there ya go. That can’t really change someone’s brain chemistry.
“stultify” definition 3b from m-w.com: “to have a dulling or inhibiting effect on”. If the hour made KRAD dull, then it stultified him. But I don’t think the hour itself being dull would be “stultifying”, according to that definition.
davidh
David, that’s the definition I have, which is exactly why I was confused. I’m assuming there’s another definition floating around out there (probably vernacular) that I’m not familiar with.
Anyhow…
Btw, how many episodes of Angel are there left in the season?
This last episode was #18 of 22. That leaves four left to the finale, and they’ll be running those over the next four weeks. After that…
(SpoilerText power, activate!)
…it’s off to Sunnydale, where the gang (or at least Angel, I’m not clear on that one) joins in the fight against the First.
(Um…no more SpoilerText. How did the WonderTwins de-activate their powers, anyhow?)
On the other hand, Fred seems to be the only one who’s experimented with illegal substances, going by when she regressed to age 18 and kept going on about government conspiracies and finding some weed. Probably has zero to do with it, but I’m going to keep that in the back of my head.
They said “Wonder Twin powers, de-activate!” and may I never have to remember a Super-Friends episode again.
“Jasmine” could be a play on the name “Jesus”. Perhaps her last name is “Carpenter”?
Well, her last name would be the same as her father’s. Let’s see…
Connor’s last name is…uh…
Okay, well, Angel’s last name is…
Hmm.
I suppose we could argue that her last name is, in fact, Carpenter, because her mother is Charisma Carpenter, but that would require really breaking the fourth wall.
–Daniel M.
Who just bought a pair of Hulk Hands based on PAD’s recommendation
Angel’s last name is Angel. Liam Angel. IIRC.
Connor’s last name is Angel. I think they even showed it when he was a baby, in the hospital.
I forgot about young pothead Fred. Just another reason to love her. If only she would eat something…
Hey everybody… Jasmine is one of the most powerfully scented flowers. The reason the character Jasmine likes to keep jasmine flowers around her at all times is to throw people off the scent of her maggot infested decomposing corpse. You’ll notice toward the end of the episode that she was holding a huge bunch of the flowers in her hand… Then she had a hilariously large sprig (or is that a branch?!?) in her hair while being interviewed on the TV show.
The jasmine flowers are just to camouflage the scent of her rotting body.
I think her body will be even more rotten next week… AND we will see even more flowers.
As far as the ep goes… I thought it was one of the SLOWEST ever and that the wonderful ending should have actually occurred at the 30 minute mark… PLUS, coma Cordy looked MORE pregnant than the week before (which makes sense in the real world)… I’d fire the set dresser for not covering her in (at least) a dark blanket while she was laying on the bed.
As I was watching the thing that kept creeping me out before Fred saw Jasmine’s real appearance (and still did it after) was how often and how quickly people affected by her would decide that they weren’t worthy and start turning on themselves for it. Sure, Jasmine always soothed them and said they were being silly, but what happens if she’s not around when someone has a “crisis of faith” for lack of a better term? At first very few people were affected, but now that much of LA is under her thrall I wouldn’t be surprised if we start hearing about a rash of suicides taking place, and maybe even riots as her followers splinter into factions and start arguing over the proper way to praise her (the same kind of thing that you see happen among the many religions out there, only worse).
I wasn’t too surprised that Fred tried to recruit Wesley’s help. She felt overwhelmed by the situation and had no idea what to do next, she probably thought that even if he didn’t see past the spell Wes might give her the benefit of the doubt (the fact that he loves her making that more likely). And as to why she went to Wes and not Gunn, well let’s face it, someone with an encyclopedic knowledge of the occult who can also fight would probably be a more useful ally than someone who can just fight. As Wes started ratting her out I immediately flashed to “Invasion of the Body Snatchers”.
As to why Jasmine didn’t go on national TV right away, I figure that for one reason or another she has to pace herself, she clearly was with AI for close to a week, at least, if their actions had an effect on the murder statistics (perhaps whatever vibe she gives out actually drains her and she needs to grow stronger before doing to more people).
I thought about the blood thing too as I was watching the show and I imagine that if that’s the case then maybe Angel will bite Fred to kill her next week and that’s when he snaps out of it. I haven’t seen the preview though so I’m shooting blind here.
One question though, if what other people here said is true and Jasmine only has power over those who have souls (which sounds right), then why was she so keen on having Angelus around? Was she just using him as a distraction so that no one would notice Cordy’s pregnancy, or is there some bigger reason?
Raphy
Or Jasmine’s last name could be “Chase” after her mother. The initials would still match.
Raphy
How about this:
The show said two weeks ago that everything that has happened has happened because it was destined to happen or even manipulated to happen – what if Jasmine was something that was suppose to happen – either because she was suppose to think that she has caused it all or she knows what is really suppose to happen and she is trying to divert the destined path by saying she did it all when, in fact, she is really trying to divert the ‘destined’ outcome from happening…
shew – did that make sense? Just a thought — kinda overwhelming…
Xyon
Another episode, another person who controls Connor. Has he had a thought originating from himself this season? 🙂
The show said two weeks ago that everything that has happened has happened because it was destined to happen or even manipulated to happen – what if Jasmine was something that was suppose to happen – either because she was suppose to think that she has caused it all or she knows what is really suppose to happen and she is trying to divert the destined path by saying she did it all when, in fact, she is really trying to divert the ‘destined’ outcome from happening…
Or what if, you know, she’s lying? Two weeks ago, Angel also said the Big Evil didn’t really have a plan and was making stuff up as it went along.
Up until last season Angel was getting his marching orders from the PTB. This season they’ve been very quiet. Seems if they meant to take Cordy away for good, they would have provided Angel with another communications link.
Doug Atkinson said:
I also found this interesting. I think this easy-answer Cult of Jasmine is reminiscent of many of the easy-answer groups which have taken off in the especially fertile ground of L.A. in the past thirty years. “It’s okay. It’s doesn’t matter. We’re all groovy! Chicken Soup!” The disregard for attonement was a sure sign that Jasmine was eeeevil!
Jam said:
I think perhaps she should smoke a bit more, as the munchies could only help her skinny self.
Very happy with the use of Fred. Finally! She’s a great character who has been poorly used since…lord, in so long my brain strains trying to remember it. Good to see her coming into her own. If the show is renewed, I think it’d be good to dump Cordy (who long ago came to the end of her character arch and should be ended along with her particular story arch) and focus on Fred, who, at this point, is a far more intriguing character. (And the better actress.)
“Jasmine” could be a play on the name “Jesus”. Perhaps her last name is “Carpenter”?
Right, just like her mother, Charisma.
Hmm. Charisma Carpenter. Cordelia Chase. Actress and character, both with double-C names. Coincidence? Yoooouuu decide…
PAD