Presidential Debate Mark III

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Hi all I am here. This is Kathleen typing since Peter is bowling this evening.

9:00 It’s a table debate. Makes it feel more down home don’ t it?

9:01 Domestic it is.

9:02 Aww they greeted each other nicely. Economy is the first issue up.

9:03 Thanks and Nancy Regan is in the hospital? What does this have to do with the economy?

9:04 John Q Public: We’re as mad as hëll and we aren’t going to take it any more

9:05 McCain makes some really good points of where the money needs to go for homeowners not speculators.

9:06 Rescue for the Middle Class. Good use of Buzz Words. Point for Obama.

9:07 Obama brings up that there is the long term and the short term.

9:07 McCain seems to be on the attack….and there goes the sound bite.

9:08 Nice one Obama (You are watching your own ads aren’t you?) I heard the audience laugh on that one.

9:10 Nice rebuttal by Obama but I think McCain is setting up that he will be on the attack all evening.

9:11 Can we stop talking about Joe the Plumber? How many times has McCain said Joe the Plumber? (Yes folks it is the new My Friends)

9:12 Obama needs to rein McCain in.

9:13 Moving onto the Deficit which is a 800 pound Gorilla in the room after hand out all this money.

9:14 Obama admits we have been living beyond our means (being America) Pay as you go is not a bad way to go but I don’t think it is plausible.

9:16 McCain is talking about the past again. Bob brings him back.

9;17 who has “countries that don’t like us very much” in the pool of phrases we have heard before

9:18 And WHO increased the government? Would that be Bush and the Republicans?
How did we get onto Energy from the Deficit?

9:19 He got the Planetarium in again. That projector is a great over simplification of what that object was.

9:20 Obama points out who was in the office and where we were. Smart move on his part.

9:20 Bob is trying to get it back to the Deficit and McCain is off and running again.

9:22 McCain is trying to say he is a Maverick without saying Maverick

9:22 Obama is sounding a little defensive but is trying to steer away from sounding so
Fox News! Good one Obabma. Again there is laughter in the audience

(:24 Please OH Please DON”T show us those scars!

9:25 OH this should be interesting. The High Road and the lack of walking on it

9:25 Yeah it has been tough all over. Town Hall meetings? Did you see how you did on the last one Mr. McCain?

9:26 McCain is really reaching here. And he has NOT repudiated many of those sorts of remarks no matter what he says. Oh boy he can prove it.

9:28 Obama better get a handle on this quick and there he goes. McCain doesn’t sound happy about what he is saying either. Just don’t say that you started it.

9:30 McCain watches football. Wonder what sport Obama watches? I’m betting basketball.

9:31 there is Joe again

9:31 Obama is going to step into the one with both feet. And there is the rebuttal on that sound bite.

9:32 Obama is trying to take the high road and McCain keeps butting in. Not quite cricket

9:34 Again I hear the audience giggle

9:35 Nice “disagree without being disagreeable”

9:36 There is the hit and the punch. Now can Obama sort this out without giving more fodder? Nice start now let see where he is going with it. He is doing an OK job of explaining what happened. Putting names that he does talk to is a good touch.

9:39 This is not making McCain looked good at all. Now he is trying to get on point again.

9:40 People to bring into the Government. VP choices

9:42 Ok he is using Biden to get some talking points across

9:42 Role model? To whom?

9:43 Palin is up to her ášš in the good ol’ boy network in Alaska. Just look at the indictment.

9:44 Nice side step Obama.

9:45 McCain has been couched to death on this question.

9:46 McCain is on the attack again. Obama not given the oppertunity to respond.

9:46 Now we are into Energy policy and a real number is asked for. Not going to get it but he asked real nice

9:48 McCain is very comfortable with this question and gave his rote answer. Let’s see how Obama does.

9:49 Obama is playing the camera more than McCain. He is look at Bob or Obama.

9:50 Can’t drill our way out is a good phrase to use

9:51 McCain is in for the attack again. Trying for the downhome touch again. He didn’t say Elite but he came d*mn close

9:52 Point for McCain for pointing out that Obama has never been to South America. Has Bush?

9:53 Pulling it back to Energy and the American auto industry. Not a bad way to go.

9:55 I figured that McCain was going to bring up Chavez. Restrict trade and raise taxes. he is really trying to get those sound bites in.

9:56 Health Care. Boy this is a sticky subject

9:57 Make sure you keep it simple Obama and push it onto the Insurance companies. That Fed pool won’t work for the general public. It is suplimented up the ying yang by the government. At least he admits that it will cost to start but how it might be better later

9:58 How about NOT CUTTING PE AND RECESS OUT OF THE SCHOOL DAY TO TEACH TO THE TEST

Oh for the love of mother mary, Joe the plumber again?

5,000 will NOT pay for healthcare in the New York industry. And Obama has answered these charges before (like the last two debates)

10:00 Obama reminds McCain that he has answered these questions before. Now Obama is talking to Joe. I want to see a picture of this magic plumber.

10:02 Obama is right about cherry picking clients. He gave a number! 12,000 is about right for a family policy.

10:03 McCain needs to get off the Joe jag. Obama just rebutted this just 90 seconds ago. And McCain had drank the Kool Aid about his health plan.

10:04 We have heard this all in the last debate, There is nothing new here. Why don’t we move along?

10:06 Roe vs. Wade and the Supreme Court. Good question

10:06 McCain is doing well on this one in terms of the Supreme Court not the state rights issue

10:07 Qualified judicial nominees would be nice to see some get nominated finally rather than the croneism that has been going on.

10:08 OK they agree on this one. Then I think we should move on.

10:09 Obama is taking the bull by the horns here and telling us what he believes. Might be a dangerous thing to do but refreshing to here.

10:10 Lilly Leadbetter is a good example for him to use for this question.

10:12 And McCain is on the attack again trying to make Obama the villain of the piece.

10:13 Obama is again trying to set the facts straight

10:14 Point for Obama for talking about other options and sex ed

10:15 And on the attack is McCain. He is trying to make it sound like Obama is playing word games with the American people

10:16 And we end with Education a good topic indeed

10:17 Nice tie in with other problems Obama and getting the words national security out there before McCain

10:18 Not bad and he does bring up the responcibility of the parents for their children

10:19 Choice and competition? The New York experiment with for profit public schools failed spectaculary.

10:20 Not certify teachers just because they are ex-military? What?

10:21 Nice play on “No Child left behind” which has been a disaster for most school districts. School vouchers don’t work. Point for Obama

10:23 McCain is defending NCLB? It has been the biggest problem for the schools who have gotten rid of creative programs to teach to the bloody test.

10:25 And he is bring in Autism again for what purpose?

10;26 thank you Mr. Obama for saying that vouchers don’t work.

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10:27 McCain blinking like crazy. Maybe he suffers from dry eye. Does his speech sound a bit more slurred than usual? He is just going through his talking points.

10:29 Obama is going through his talking points now.

McCain came in on the attack more this go around. Obama managed to defend.

I don’t think McCain got that big hit he was looking for. He seemed petulant at points.

Pretty even match over all. I hope Joe the Plumber was watching.

446 comments on “Presidential Debate Mark III”

  1. If Joe Plumber had in fact been related to Charles Keating, it would lead one to wonder whether McCain had known the guy, or at least been able to contact him, beforehand, and set him up for this media exposure. Either that, or it would have been a freakishly appropriate coincidence.

    As for his tax lien…YMMV, but I just think that one has a lot more credibility in questioning a major presidential candidate about his tax plan–not to mention, then waxing paranoid about the “slippery slope” in which the tax increases are going to travel down the income brackets–if one has already paid one’s taxes in full. *shrugs* Between the reality that Obama’s plan would actually leave this guy with more money, and the fact that Wurzelbacher didn’t even pay all the taxes he’s being charged now…I just can’t help but think there’s something really, really funny about his impulse to ask Obama some tough questions.

  4. I really wish this election would just end already.

    Your wish is granted. I’m on it. Give me a little over two weeks and I’ll end it.

    PAD

  5. I really wish this election would just end already.

    Your wish is granted. I’m on it. Give me a little over two weeks and I’ll end it.

    PAD

  7. and some people in the media took 2+2 and got 11 with it.

    If sites like DailyKos are now considered ‘media’, then we’re all further up the creek than we thought.

  8. and some people in the media took 2+2 and got 11 with it.

    If sites like DailyKos are now considered ‘media’, then we’re all further up the creek than we thought.

  9. “If sites like DailyKos are now considered ‘media’, then we’re all further up the creek than we thought.”

    No, the wrong name on the voter reg was looked up by the real press and they reported the incorrect facts for about a day. Kos was involved with the address flap.

  10. “If sites like DailyKos are now considered ‘media’, then we’re all further up the creek than we thought.”

    No, the wrong name on the voter reg was looked up by the real press and they reported the incorrect facts for about a day. Kos was involved with the address flap.

  11. You’ve got a lot of nerve complaining about others outing addresses, when Peter was forced to shut down a thread you and your pack of hyenas spent Thanksgiving pouring your disgust in when I asked you to waive that same privilege because you were talking about knowing me personally.

  12. You’ve got a lot of nerve complaining about others outing addresses, when Peter was forced to shut down a thread you and your pack of hyenas spent Thanksgiving pouring your disgust in when I asked you to waive that same privilege because you were talking about knowing me personally.

  18. And that, Roger, is why I vote absentee and will continue to do so until touch-screen voting is either (a) made open-source so that this kind of bûllšhìŧ can be detected more easily, or (b) abolished.

  19. And that, Roger, is why I vote absentee and will continue to do so until touch-screen voting is either (a) made open-source so that this kind of bûllšhìŧ can be detected more easily, or (b) abolished.

  20. *Master PJ disclaimer: Jerry Chandler has family and friends in West Virginia who he shares emails with and West Virginia jokes with on a regular bases. Should master PJ find West Virginia jokes offensively un-PC; take it up with them.

  21. *Master PJ disclaimer: Jerry Chandler has family and friends in West Virginia who he shares emails with and West Virginia jokes with on a regular bases. Should master PJ find West Virginia jokes offensively un-PC; take it up with them.

  22. Thanks for the factcheck.org link, Jerry. Very interesting reading. More later when I have some time.

  23. Thanks for the factcheck.org link, Jerry. Very interesting reading. More later when I have some time.

  26. I don’t get why the voting machines are such a huge problem. Why are they using touch screens? Touch screens have been around for decades and they’ve had these kinds of problems for decades. Meanwhile, millions of people have computers that have screens and *buttons* which work just fine.

    It’s like someone saw a touch screen and said, “oooh, fancy,” without bothering to find out how reliable they are. Or maybe they just figured that it works for their kid’s Nintendo DS, so it must be good enough for determining the future of our nation.

  27. Also, it seems like touch screens are more likely to be broken. You get someone who doesn’t touch so much as poke, maybe even jab, or thinks that they have to use a sharpened pencil.

    hey, can anyone answer this–do they count the votes being done now or wait until the actual election day? I know they don’t rlease the results until then but do they count them? And if so, how do they ensure the results don’t leak out?

  28. Also, it seems like touch screens are more likely to be broken. You get someone who doesn’t touch so much as poke, maybe even jab, or thinks that they have to use a sharpened pencil.

    hey, can anyone answer this–do they count the votes being done now or wait until the actual election day? I know they don’t rlease the results until then but do they count them? And if so, how do they ensure the results don’t leak out?

  29. I’m surprised nobody has gone in there with one of these booths with a camera phone, something that can do brief recordings, and record it to see what happens.

    At least, this seems like something somebody should be attemting. 🙂

  30. I’m surprised nobody has gone in there with one of these booths with a camera phone, something that can do brief recordings, and record it to see what happens.

    At least, this seems like something somebody should be attemting. 🙂

  31. From Wikipedia: Each state has different laws regulating when absentee ballots must be counted, and who does the counting. Most states count absentee ballots on Election Day which can continue for several days after. The latest deadline is 10 days after Election day (for Washington, D.C., and for overseas absentee ballots sent to Florida.)

    Pretty much the only thing that’s consistent about voting in every state is that they all have election day on the first Tuesday in November. Every other law I’ve heard of regarding voting varies from state to state.

  32. From Wikipedia: Each state has different laws regulating when absentee ballots must be counted, and who does the counting. Most states count absentee ballots on Election Day which can continue for several days after. The latest deadline is 10 days after Election day (for Washington, D.C., and for overseas absentee ballots sent to Florida.)

    Pretty much the only thing that’s consistent about voting in every state is that they all have election day on the first Tuesday in November. Every other law I’ve heard of regarding voting varies from state to state.

  33. Thanks, everyone, for the lively analysis. A few comments:
    *small business are VERY important to the American economy. They are where most employment occurs, and they sometimes grow into large businesses.
    *The above Limbaugh quote is hypocritical, given his comments about McCain during the primaries.
    *Dandelion leaves make a nice salad. And a nice wine. Acorns can also be eaten, but must be processed first. Rhubarb is also easy to grow, and i don’t think has any pests.
    *Others on the net have mentioned the numerous tax breaks small businesses can claim.
    *Place the nuclear pyramid in Death Valley. Few would stumble upon it. Set up a small community who maintain the mythology of the danger. Or just let it be. How many rads would a tourist soak up?
    *Has anyone noticed that McCain praised Harry Truman last month, then last week compared Obama to Herbert Hoover? Is he having a senior moment?

  34. Thanks, everyone, for the lively analysis. A few comments:
    *small business are VERY important to the American economy. They are where most employment occurs, and they sometimes grow into large businesses.
    *The above Limbaugh quote is hypocritical, given his comments about McCain during the primaries.
    *Dandelion leaves make a nice salad. And a nice wine. Acorns can also be eaten, but must be processed first. Rhubarb is also easy to grow, and i don’t think has any pests.
    *Others on the net have mentioned the numerous tax breaks small businesses can claim.
    *Place the nuclear pyramid in Death Valley. Few would stumble upon it. Set up a small community who maintain the mythology of the danger. Or just let it be. How many rads would a tourist soak up?
    *Has anyone noticed that McCain praised Harry Truman last month, then last week compared Obama to Herbert Hoover? Is he having a senior moment?

  35. Posted by Jason M. Bryant

    Pretty much the only thing that’s consistent about voting in every state is that they all have election day on the first Tuesday in November.

    Actually, no.

    For whatever reason, it’s the Tuesday after the first Monday.

    I suspect the Illuminati.

  38. I can’t say this is exactly a total surprise, but I still didn’t expect the man to officially endorse anyone this year after some of earlier comments.

    US President George W Bush’s former Secretary of State, Colin Powell, endorses Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama.

    For more details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

  39. I can’t say this is exactly a total surprise, but I still didn’t expect the man to officially endorse anyone this year after some of earlier comments.

    US President George W Bush’s former Secretary of State, Colin Powell, endorses Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama.

    For more details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

  40. About touch screens

    Not all touch screens are soft. We had one at work. The surface was normal glass hardness.

    (Someone walked up to talk to the machine operator, put his hand on the edge of the screen, not realizing that his finger went over the edge of the glass. He touched the off button and shut down the machine.)

  41. About touch screens

    Not all touch screens are soft. We had one at work. The surface was normal glass hardness.

    (Someone walked up to talk to the machine operator, put his hand on the edge of the screen, not realizing that his finger went over the edge of the glass. He touched the off button and shut down the machine.)

  42. I didn’t know any touch screens were soft. I’ve only ever used ones that felt like normal glass.

  43. I’m surprised nobody has gone in there with one of these booths with a camera phone, something that can do brief recordings, and record it to see what happens.

    You’d think so, right? But here’s http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=66934&catid=2&GID=GlqBUb7RtvXxFq9nEmXbyFDBf7LctTGXgth5h6lYrXw%3D

    Video your vote? Not in Ky.

    It sounds like a great idea. But first-time voters who want to record and share their experiences via YouTube on Nov. 4 can’t do it in Kentucky.

    Kentucky secretary of state Trey Grayson says a national YouTube project with PBS encouraging voters to video themselves in action on Election Day would be illegal in the Bluegrass State.

    The “Video Your Vote” project targets first-time voters, asking them to record their full voting experience, including casting their ballot.

    But in Kentucky, state law forbids people from bringing cameras and recording devices into polling places. Those caught recording inside a polling place could be slapped with a misdemeanor.

    Kentucky’s legislature outlawed video recording or using cell phones or cameras in the voting places in 2005 to avoid intimidating other voters. Georgia and Florida also bar recording in polling places.

    Bill here- so once again, paranoia trumps accuracy.

  44. I’m surprised nobody has gone in there with one of these booths with a camera phone, something that can do brief recordings, and record it to see what happens.

    You’d think so, right? But here’s http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=66934&catid=2&GID=GlqBUb7RtvXxFq9nEmXbyFDBf7LctTGXgth5h6lYrXw%3D

    Video your vote? Not in Ky.

    It sounds like a great idea. But first-time voters who want to record and share their experiences via YouTube on Nov. 4 can’t do it in Kentucky.

    Kentucky secretary of state Trey Grayson says a national YouTube project with PBS encouraging voters to video themselves in action on Election Day would be illegal in the Bluegrass State.

    The “Video Your Vote” project targets first-time voters, asking them to record their full voting experience, including casting their ballot.

    But in Kentucky, state law forbids people from bringing cameras and recording devices into polling places. Those caught recording inside a polling place could be slapped with a misdemeanor.

    Kentucky’s legislature outlawed video recording or using cell phones or cameras in the voting places in 2005 to avoid intimidating other voters. Georgia and Florida also bar recording in polling places.

    Bill here- so once again, paranoia trumps accuracy.

  45. Bill here- so once again, paranoia trumps accuracy.

    Or, if the stories about the voting problems are true, overall political agenda trumps accuracy. 😉

  46. Bill here- so once again, paranoia trumps accuracy.

    Or, if the stories about the voting problems are true, overall political agenda trumps accuracy. 😉

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