He won. The “West Wing” scenario played out exactly as–
Uh oh.
Has anyone checked on Joe Biden?
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Funny. I already am reading excuses to explain why Obama doesn’t succeed (such as the mess he has been handed). I grant you the two wars. Those were deliberate choices by Bush. But the current economic situation is directly tied to Democrat policies (such as pushing for loans to those who could never afford them in the first place). That mess is the much more pressing one at the moment since the surge worked in Iraq (though I admit Afghanistan is not headed the right way right now).
Congrats to Obama. I hope this shows what most conservatives have known for a while — we are not primarily a racist nation. It is no surprise to me an African-American could win. He did run an incredible campaign. I think there was overwhelming media bias in his favor, but it was so blatant at times that I doubt it actually is why he won. No, he won by running on nice speeches. Now we will see if he can actually govern.
So enjoy the next four years. I hope I am wrong in my fears for where Obama might take us. Because if he does what I think he will do (raise taxes, go along with a return of the so called “fairness doctrine,” crush the coal industry, etc.), I suspect some of you will be still blaming Bush for the “mess” he left as a way of defending Obama for the state the country is in.
Time to go to bed.
Iowa Jim
It was an excellent speech by McCain. I only wish the way he gave that speech is the way he ran his campaign: respectful and honorable.
I do think McCain will do what he can to work with Obama, and Obama will reciprocate. But I also think McCain will retire when his term is up in 2 years, and that the Senate will be a lesser place without him.
It was an excellent speech by McCain. I only wish the way he gave that speech is the way he ran his campaign: respectful and honorable.
I do think McCain will do what he can to work with Obama, and Obama will reciprocate. But I also think McCain will retire when his term is up in 2 years, and that the Senate will be a lesser place without him.
I’m sure tomorrow Lumbaugh will start his America Held Hostage, schtick again, but for me the Long Night is Ending!
Oh, come on. You obviously don’t know Rush. He would never recycle the same idea. He will come up with a new one that would be far more entertaining.
Iowa Jim
I’m sure tomorrow Lumbaugh will start his America Held Hostage, schtick again, but for me the Long Night is Ending!
Oh, come on. You obviously don’t know Rush. He would never recycle the same idea. He will come up with a new one that would be far more entertaining.
Iowa Jim
Funny. I already am reading excuses to explain why Obama doesn’t succeed (such as the mess he has been handed).
And for weeks I’ve been reading excuses as to why McCain would lose, or why Obama hadn’t already run away with the election.
It goes both ways, Jim. Always has, always will.
But then, unfortunately, I see you couldn’t get through one post without placing blame on Democrats anywhere you can.
But the current economic situation is directly tied to Democrat policies (such as pushing for loans to those who could never afford them in the first place).
Total BS.
Jim, you know better than this. Do the research. It’s the total opposite of what you stated–most of the failures came from middle class borrowers with good credit scores and CRA loans had LOWER rates of default. (not to mention the compounding done by credit default swaps which can, in no way, be blamed on the original borrowers).
What this country DOESN’T need is bad information like this passed on as truth. If you work off of bad information, you WILL screw up.
And screwing up is not what we, as a nation, need.
But the current economic situation is directly tied to Democrat policies (such as pushing for loans to those who could never afford them in the first place).
Total BS.
Jim, you know better than this. Do the research. It’s the total opposite of what you stated–most of the failures came from middle class borrowers with good credit scores and CRA loans had LOWER rates of default. (not to mention the compounding done by credit default swaps which can, in no way, be blamed on the original borrowers).
What this country DOESN’T need is bad information like this passed on as truth. If you work off of bad information, you WILL screw up.
And screwing up is not what we, as a nation, need.
But then, unfortunately, I see you couldn’t get through one post without placing blame on Democrats anywhere you can.
Placing blame, where blame is due, is not a problem.
Spreading bad information is.
Michaeljjt, thank you for showing class. It’s something that we’ve too often not seen on both sides of the political aisle in this country, and on this site.
Jerry, beautifully said. The first sentence summed it up with a lovely metaphor. Happy Birthday, and a belated congratulations. 🙂
I wasn’t going to say anything here, since I don’t generally use this site to announce personal things not apropos of the topics Peter discusses, but since there’s so much love in the room right now, and I’m so happy, what the hëll: Jay Faerber, the writer/creator of Noble Causes, Dynamo 5, etc., was so impressed with my work creating and maintaining the various Dynamo 5-related articles on Wikipedia, that he asked me to write a 3,000 word recap of of the first 19 issues of D5, which will comprise two of the ten pages of a special Zero Issue of the series that comes out in January. I just emailed it to him early yesterday morning, and he responded this evening that he liked it. Because the Zero Issue is a small, .99 cent issue used as a jumping-on point, the entire creative team will take a pay hit, and I won’t be paid, but it will be my first work on a comic book, and therefore, my name will be on the book. I asked Jay if I could do a pinup for it, but since it won’t fit, he said I could do it for an upcoming issue. Hopefully this may represent, if not my big break, then at least my getting my foot in the door. 🙂
Guys, let’s just let it go. There’s no need to ruin the moment bloodying out heads against brick walls.
Yes, I am so very happy about Obama’s win.
As a Californian, I’m a little qualified in my mood, because Prop 8 appears to be on track to win. Still, with only 25% of the vote tallied, maybe there is still a chance that it’ll be defeated. (I hope.)
Yes, I am so very happy about Obama’s win.
As a Californian, I’m a little qualified in my mood, because Prop 8 appears to be on track to win. Still, with only 25% of the vote tallied, maybe there is still a chance that it’ll be defeated. (I hope.)
Iowa Jim, that post is rich. He’s really been drinking the sour grape Kool-aid. And the remark about us blaming Bush during an Obama presidency for the state the country is in. That’s priceless, considering he blamed President Clinton for everything (and there was a LOT!) that went wrong during Bush’s reign.
Brian, if you think Slimebaugh is upset about this election, you’re dead wrong. This is the best thing that could happen for his hate-filled rhetoric, and I’m sure he was pulling for Obama. He’s long since shown that he doesn’t give a crap about the nation (or facts), just his ratings.
As for myself, for the first time in a long time, I’m…happy. I’d forgotten how good that felt.
Come on, guys. Let’s be gracious in victory. Jim and others can express any view they wish about their feelings on an Obama victory just as so many here expressed like views about Bush four years ago and every day since. Let’s just be happy now even if it only is just for now. We have years ahead of us to continue the ideological and political sparring matches.
Come on, guys. Let’s be gracious in victory. Jim and others can express any view they wish about their feelings on an Obama victory just as so many here expressed like views about Bush four years ago and every day since. Let’s just be happy now even if it only is just for now. We have years ahead of us to continue the ideological and political sparring matches.
Me? Here’s my prediction:
For the last 8 years, any time anyone brought up how Bush actually lost the popular vote were called “Whiners” by the opposition, along with “You lost. get over it.”
I predict that it’ll take less than a day for some of those same people to turn around and start screaming about how “the Electoral college doesn’t reflect the actual will of the people/popular vote” after this election.
Me? Here’s my prediction:
For the last 8 years, any time anyone brought up how Bush actually lost the popular vote were called “Whiners” by the opposition, along with “You lost. get over it.”
I predict that it’ll take less than a day for some of those same people to turn around and start screaming about how “the Electoral college doesn’t reflect the actual will of the people/popular vote” after this election.
Me? Here’s my prediction:
For the last 8 years, any time anyone brought up how Bush actually lost the popular vote were called “Whiners” by the opposition, along with “You lost. get over it.”
I predict that it’ll take less than a day for some of those same people to turn around and start screaming about how “the Electoral college doesn’t reflect the actual will of the people/popular vote” after this election.
To further the freaky West Wing vibe, MSNBC mentioned tonight that Rep Rahm Emmanual is being seriously considered for Chief of Staff. Rahm was the inspiration for Josh Lyman. Who ended the series as Santos’ Chief of Staff.
Of course…
To Tom Keller,
It was Flavor-Ade at Jonestown, not Kool-Ade. Pass it on.
Huzzah. Thank you America. A leader of the Free World we can all get behind.
Huzzah. Thank you America. A leader of the Free World we can all get behind.
Congratulations for an historic milestone…
… Now, how long until a hispanic, spanish speaking president?
Congratulations America, I didn’t think you had it in you!!!
– I hope Obama survives the first term. Hëll, the first year. Double-hëll, the first MONTH! Those gun laws of yours need to be replaced…
– I hope Obama doesn’t turn out to be a hoax. Not in a Scooby-Doo way, just… not another Republican in disguise. The real deal.
– But most importantly: does this make all of the politically-oriented Rap and Hip-Hop of the last 20-odd years obsolete?!? What will Chuck D do?!?
Congratulations America, I didn’t think you had it in you!!!
– I hope Obama survives the first term. Hëll, the first year. Double-hëll, the first MONTH! Those gun laws of yours need to be replaced…
– I hope Obama doesn’t turn out to be a hoax. Not in a Scooby-Doo way, just… not another Republican in disguise. The real deal.
– But most importantly: does this make all of the politically-oriented Rap and Hip-Hop of the last 20-odd years obsolete?!? What will Chuck D do?!?
I’m as amazed I had the will power to go to bed before 9 AM as I am that Obama pulled this off. Congratulations! Now the onus is on him to prove himself to be a GOOD President.
Also, hopefully when the next African-American is elected President, the race issue won’t be such a big deal. For all I know, it may be a Republican. (Condoleeza Rice?)
A dream . something on the horizon just out of reach
last night it stopped being a dream and finally became a goal lets hope it doesn’t take another 40 years to be fully achived
congratulations america u can come out of the dog house now and may i sat dámņ fine choice
A dream . something on the horizon just out of reach
last night it stopped being a dream and finally became a goal lets hope it doesn’t take another 40 years to be fully achived
congratulations america u can come out of the dog house now and may i sat dámņ fine choice
A dream . something on the horizon just out of reach
last night it stopped being a dream and finally became a goal lets hope it doesn’t take another 40 years to be fully achived
congratulations america u can come out of the dog house now and may i sat dámņ fine choice
It was an excellent speech by McCain. I only wish the way he gave that speech is the way he ran his campaign: respectful and honorable.
Yeah Craig, I wish that too. But he didn’t.
But I also think McCain will retire when his term is up in 2 years, and that the Senate will be a lesser place without him.
That depends on who replaces him.
I, for one, won’t be sad to see him go. For all of my talk in the recent Star Wars thread about people deserving second chances, I feel that McCain got what was coming to him tonight and that we shouldn’t forget or forgive what he did just because he lost the race. One little concession speech doesn’t change the fact that McCain abandoned his principles and turned to Karl Rove’s playbook, the same playbook that was used against him. McCain once said there was a special place in hëll for people who used those tactics. I guess if there is, he’ll be seeing it firsthand.
I’m happy that Obama won. I’m even happier that McCain lost. It was like seeing Flash Thompson getting into the boxing ring with Peter Parker and getting his ášš handed to him. Flash deserved it. So did McCain.
I’d say that maybe in time McCain could turn into a decent guy like Flash did, but I don’t know if McCain will live long enough to undergo that kind of change.
It was an excellent speech by McCain. I only wish the way he gave that speech is the way he ran his campaign: respectful and honorable.
Yeah Craig, I wish that too. But he didn’t.
But I also think McCain will retire when his term is up in 2 years, and that the Senate will be a lesser place without him.
That depends on who replaces him.
I, for one, won’t be sad to see him go. For all of my talk in the recent Star Wars thread about people deserving second chances, I feel that McCain got what was coming to him tonight and that we shouldn’t forget or forgive what he did just because he lost the race. One little concession speech doesn’t change the fact that McCain abandoned his principles and turned to Karl Rove’s playbook, the same playbook that was used against him. McCain once said there was a special place in hëll for people who used those tactics. I guess if there is, he’ll be seeing it firsthand.
I’m happy that Obama won. I’m even happier that McCain lost. It was like seeing Flash Thompson getting into the boxing ring with Peter Parker and getting his ášš handed to him. Flash deserved it. So did McCain.
I’d say that maybe in time McCain could turn into a decent guy like Flash did, but I don’t know if McCain will live long enough to undergo that kind of change.
So enjoy the next four years. I hope I am wrong in my fears for where Obama might take us. Because if he does what I think he will do (raise taxes, go along with a return of the so called “fairness doctrine,” crush the coal industry, etc.), I suspect some of you will be still blaming Bush for the “mess” he left as a way of defending Obama for the state the country is in.
One hopes that won’t happen. After all, the GOP did nothing but blame Clinton for absolutely everything that went wrong over the last eight years, no matter how tortured the stretch in logic. So one hopes that Democrats won’t have to stoop to the same tactics.
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I’m just so dámņ happy. The whole world is happy. Any moment now I expect to wake up from the dream. This is history in the making. Maybe I’m being too optismitic, but I can’t stop remembering the peace and prosperity of the Clinton years, and hope that Obama and the Democrat-controlled Congress will recapture them.
I won’t say anything about Bush or the Republicans or the Religious Right or any of this stuff. It’s over, the people has spoken and the nightmare is over.
I’m still in awe.
When we invaded Afghanistan, I gritted my teeth because I knew war was inevitable but I could halfway support it. The day we invaded Iraq, a country with which I could find no link to the attacks on our country, I packed away my flag and refused to fly one until W was out of office. Today, I fly the flag from my grandfather’s funeral (Navy), stretched between the windows. It’s so big it hangs over part of the garage door, but it’s a beautiful sight.
And CT roundly spanked the special interest groups. We will keep our Constitution as is, women’s rights and gay marriage intact.
One comment in the Guardian today:
“Thanks America. I feel like we just had awesome make up sex”.
Says it all for me. Big well done from the UK.
One comment in the Guardian today:
“Thanks America. I feel like we just had awesome make up sex”.
Says it all for me. Big well done from the UK.
Blindpew – We have the same problem with the popular vote not necessarily being reflected in election results. In this case, however, it isn’t a matter of a handful of debatable votes resulting in a contentious ‘win’, Obama pretty clearly had a definite majority of the popular vote. By at least two million last I checked. Hard to argue with that.
Blindpew – We have the same problem with the popular vote not necessarily being reflected in election results. In this case, however, it isn’t a matter of a handful of debatable votes resulting in a contentious ‘win’, Obama pretty clearly had a definite majority of the popular vote. By at least two million last I checked. Hard to argue with that.
Edward – “Also, hopefully when the next African-American is elected President, the race issue won’t be such a big deal. ” It will be … so long as we keep hyphenating things and calling them “African-Americans” or “Asian-Americans” instead of simply “Americans”.
I can see your point, StarWolf, but labels like African-American or Asian-American can also show the makeup of a subculture. I know people who’ve used the African-American title as a point of pride and to remind themselves of where they’ve come from in regards to civil rights. Simply calling everyone in the country Americans, while accurate, leaves out a lot. We can all be American, one nation, and still have diversity.
Must admit, though, the only other time I’ve really heard Asian-American was in college when a guy I knew whose parent came from Korea used it to really get on people’s nerves. He did EVERYTHING to get on people’s nerves. Can there be an Idiot-American label?
So enjoy the next four years. I hope I am wrong in my fears for where Obama might take us. Because if he does what I think he will do (raise taxes, go along with a return of the so called “fairness doctrine,” crush the coal industry, etc.), I suspect some of you will be still blaming Bush for the “mess” he left as a way of defending Obama for the state the country is in.
Bush is a third as popular as Clinton was when he was impeached. But he wears your gang colors, so don’t let Bush’s wrongness and the unpopularity he ‘searned stop you from denying the damage he’s done to the country.
So enjoy the next four years. I hope I am wrong in my fears for where Obama might take us. Because if he does what I think he will do (raise taxes, go along with a return of the so called “fairness doctrine,” crush the coal industry, etc.), I suspect some of you will be still blaming Bush for the “mess” he left as a way of defending Obama for the state the country is in.
Bush is a third as popular as Clinton was when he was impeached. But he wears your gang colors, so don’t let Bush’s wrongness and the unpopularity he ‘searned stop you from denying the damage he’s done to the country.
blindpew, Obama, not counting NC, won 62,527,406 votes to 55,450,968 votes. Even if the two maps I’ve looked at this morning haven’t added NC in, they both show that NC went dámņ near 50/50 with a slight lead for Obama.
He won the popular vote.
Well, now that the national races are pretty much decided, the state issues…
The Abortion Ban in SD failed, the “Personhood” Amendment here in Colorado failed.
Arizona and Florida passed gay marriage bans.
And so far, it looks like California will also pass Amendment 8.
The work to end hatred and bigotry and racism, and to stop making such things part of the laws of states and of the country, is not over.
I too have issues with the “African-American” label. Wasn’t there a candidate’s wife who was white South African? Where as there are black Americans whose families have been here for 200 years, but they’re “African”? For Obama though, since he is the son of an African I think it could actually be an accurate usage. It’s interesting to me as well that because his father is African he doesn’t have the personal link to the slavery age. I think that helps him in transcending the lingering hurt from that time.
Also, I didn’t realize until I heard the PBS mini-bios on McCain and Obama, but neither one was born in the continental U.S.! McCain in the Panama Canal zone (Navy kid) and Obama in Hawaii. Weird.
That speech by McCain was his best work of whole campaign in my opinion. If I’d heard more of him speaking like that he might have had a better chance. I think that McCain tried to change too much to appeal to the conservative Republicans and it just didn’t “fit” for him.
I too have issues with the “African-American” label. Wasn’t there a candidate’s wife who was white South African? Where as there are black Americans whose families have been here for 200 years, but they’re “African”? For Obama though, since he is the son of an African I think it could actually be an accurate usage. It’s interesting to me as well that because his father is African he doesn’t have the personal link to the slavery age. I think that helps him in transcending the lingering hurt from that time.
Also, I didn’t realize until I heard the PBS mini-bios on McCain and Obama, but neither one was born in the continental U.S.! McCain in the Panama Canal zone (Navy kid) and Obama in Hawaii. Weird.
That speech by McCain was his best work of whole campaign in my opinion. If I’d heard more of him speaking like that he might have had a better chance. I think that McCain tried to change too much to appeal to the conservative Republicans and it just didn’t “fit” for him.
He won the popular vote.
And at the margin of popular vote totals so far, Obama won the popular vote by a health 6%.
What’s really mind boggling though is that while many predicted 130-140 million, the total so far doesn’t even match the 122 million from 4 years ago.
The numbers for this year will still rise a bit more, but the total vote may end up being less than 2004, which I would have to say means all this talk about getting new voters signed up and out to vote was a complete failure.
Sean – And why isn’t there a “European-American” label? And, anyway, while it certainly wasn’t true of the bad old slavery days, nowadays, people generally go somewhere else because they feel they’ll have a shot at a better life. If so, then why drag along all that baggage which can only complicate the process of making a fresh start?
Sean – And why isn’t there a “European-American” label? And, anyway, while it certainly wasn’t true of the bad old slavery days, nowadays, people generally go somewhere else because they feel they’ll have a shot at a better life. If so, then why drag along all that baggage which can only complicate the process of making a fresh start?
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Funny. I already am reading excuses to explain why Obama doesn’t succeed (such as the mess he has been handed). I grant you the two wars. Those were deliberate choices by Bush. But the current economic situation is directly tied to Democrat policies (such as pushing for loans to those who could never afford them in the first place). That mess is the much more pressing one at the moment since the surge worked in Iraq (though I admit Afghanistan is not headed the right way right now).
Congrats to Obama. I hope this shows what most conservatives have known for a while — we are not primarily a racist nation. It is no surprise to me an African-American could win. He did run an incredible campaign. I think there was overwhelming media bias in his favor, but it was so blatant at times that I doubt it actually is why he won. No, he won by running on nice speeches. Now we will see if he can actually govern.
So enjoy the next four years. I hope I am wrong in my fears for where Obama might take us. Because if he does what I think he will do (raise taxes, go along with a return of the so called “fairness doctrine,” crush the coal industry, etc.), I suspect some of you will be still blaming Bush for the “mess” he left as a way of defending Obama for the state the country is in.
Time to go to bed.
Iowa Jim
It was an excellent speech by McCain. I only wish the way he gave that speech is the way he ran his campaign: respectful and honorable.
I do think McCain will do what he can to work with Obama, and Obama will reciprocate. But I also think McCain will retire when his term is up in 2 years, and that the Senate will be a lesser place without him.
It was an excellent speech by McCain. I only wish the way he gave that speech is the way he ran his campaign: respectful and honorable.
I do think McCain will do what he can to work with Obama, and Obama will reciprocate. But I also think McCain will retire when his term is up in 2 years, and that the Senate will be a lesser place without him.
I’m sure tomorrow Lumbaugh will start his America Held Hostage, schtick again, but for me the Long Night is Ending!
Oh, come on. You obviously don’t know Rush. He would never recycle the same idea. He will come up with a new one that would be far more entertaining.
Iowa Jim
I’m sure tomorrow Lumbaugh will start his America Held Hostage, schtick again, but for me the Long Night is Ending!
Oh, come on. You obviously don’t know Rush. He would never recycle the same idea. He will come up with a new one that would be far more entertaining.
Iowa Jim
Funny. I already am reading excuses to explain why Obama doesn’t succeed (such as the mess he has been handed).
And for weeks I’ve been reading excuses as to why McCain would lose, or why Obama hadn’t already run away with the election.
It goes both ways, Jim. Always has, always will.
But then, unfortunately, I see you couldn’t get through one post without placing blame on Democrats anywhere you can.
But then, unfortunately, I see you couldn’t get through one post without placing blame on Democrats anywhere you can.
Placing blame, where blame is due, is not a problem.
Spreading bad information is.
Michaeljjt, thank you for showing class. It’s something that we’ve too often not seen on both sides of the political aisle in this country, and on this site.
Jerry, beautifully said. The first sentence summed it up with a lovely metaphor. Happy Birthday, and a belated congratulations. 🙂
I wasn’t going to say anything here, since I don’t generally use this site to announce personal things not apropos of the topics Peter discusses, but since there’s so much love in the room right now, and I’m so happy, what the hëll: Jay Faerber, the writer/creator of Noble Causes, Dynamo 5, etc., was so impressed with my work creating and maintaining the various Dynamo 5-related articles on Wikipedia, that he asked me to write a 3,000 word recap of of the first 19 issues of D5, which will comprise two of the ten pages of a special Zero Issue of the series that comes out in January. I just emailed it to him early yesterday morning, and he responded this evening that he liked it. Because the Zero Issue is a small, .99 cent issue used as a jumping-on point, the entire creative team will take a pay hit, and I won’t be paid, but it will be my first work on a comic book, and therefore, my name will be on the book. I asked Jay if I could do a pinup for it, but since it won’t fit, he said I could do it for an upcoming issue. Hopefully this may represent, if not my big break, then at least my getting my foot in the door. 🙂
Guys, let’s just let it go. There’s no need to ruin the moment bloodying out heads against brick walls.
Yes, I am so very happy about Obama’s win.
As a Californian, I’m a little qualified in my mood, because Prop 8 appears to be on track to win. Still, with only 25% of the vote tallied, maybe there is still a chance that it’ll be defeated. (I hope.)
Yes, I am so very happy about Obama’s win.
As a Californian, I’m a little qualified in my mood, because Prop 8 appears to be on track to win. Still, with only 25% of the vote tallied, maybe there is still a chance that it’ll be defeated. (I hope.)
Iowa Jim, that post is rich. He’s really been drinking the sour grape Kool-aid. And the remark about us blaming Bush during an Obama presidency for the state the country is in. That’s priceless, considering he blamed President Clinton for everything (and there was a LOT!) that went wrong during Bush’s reign.
Brian, if you think Slimebaugh is upset about this election, you’re dead wrong. This is the best thing that could happen for his hate-filled rhetoric, and I’m sure he was pulling for Obama. He’s long since shown that he doesn’t give a crap about the nation (or facts), just his ratings.
As for myself, for the first time in a long time, I’m…happy. I’d forgotten how good that felt.
Come on, guys. Let’s be gracious in victory. Jim and others can express any view they wish about their feelings on an Obama victory just as so many here expressed like views about Bush four years ago and every day since. Let’s just be happy now even if it only is just for now. We have years ahead of us to continue the ideological and political sparring matches.
Come on, guys. Let’s be gracious in victory. Jim and others can express any view they wish about their feelings on an Obama victory just as so many here expressed like views about Bush four years ago and every day since. Let’s just be happy now even if it only is just for now. We have years ahead of us to continue the ideological and political sparring matches.
Me? Here’s my prediction:
For the last 8 years, any time anyone brought up how Bush actually lost the popular vote were called “Whiners” by the opposition, along with “You lost. get over it.”
I predict that it’ll take less than a day for some of those same people to turn around and start screaming about how “the Electoral college doesn’t reflect the actual will of the people/popular vote” after this election.
Me? Here’s my prediction:
For the last 8 years, any time anyone brought up how Bush actually lost the popular vote were called “Whiners” by the opposition, along with “You lost. get over it.”
I predict that it’ll take less than a day for some of those same people to turn around and start screaming about how “the Electoral college doesn’t reflect the actual will of the people/popular vote” after this election.
Me? Here’s my prediction:
For the last 8 years, any time anyone brought up how Bush actually lost the popular vote were called “Whiners” by the opposition, along with “You lost. get over it.”
I predict that it’ll take less than a day for some of those same people to turn around and start screaming about how “the Electoral college doesn’t reflect the actual will of the people/popular vote” after this election.
To further the freaky West Wing vibe, MSNBC mentioned tonight that Rep Rahm Emmanual is being seriously considered for Chief of Staff. Rahm was the inspiration for Josh Lyman. Who ended the series as Santos’ Chief of Staff.
Of course…
To Tom Keller,
It was Flavor-Ade at Jonestown, not Kool-Ade. Pass it on.
Huzzah. Thank you America. A leader of the Free World we can all get behind.
Huzzah. Thank you America. A leader of the Free World we can all get behind.
Congratulations for an historic milestone…
… Now, how long until a hispanic, spanish speaking president?
Congratulations America, I didn’t think you had it in you!!!
– I hope Obama survives the first term. Hëll, the first year. Double-hëll, the first MONTH! Those gun laws of yours need to be replaced…
– I hope Obama doesn’t turn out to be a hoax. Not in a Scooby-Doo way, just… not another Republican in disguise. The real deal.
– But most importantly: does this make all of the politically-oriented Rap and Hip-Hop of the last 20-odd years obsolete?!? What will Chuck D do?!?
Congratulations America, I didn’t think you had it in you!!!
– I hope Obama survives the first term. Hëll, the first year. Double-hëll, the first MONTH! Those gun laws of yours need to be replaced…
– I hope Obama doesn’t turn out to be a hoax. Not in a Scooby-Doo way, just… not another Republican in disguise. The real deal.
– But most importantly: does this make all of the politically-oriented Rap and Hip-Hop of the last 20-odd years obsolete?!? What will Chuck D do?!?
I’m as amazed I had the will power to go to bed before 9 AM as I am that Obama pulled this off. Congratulations! Now the onus is on him to prove himself to be a GOOD President.
Also, hopefully when the next African-American is elected President, the race issue won’t be such a big deal. For all I know, it may be a Republican. (Condoleeza Rice?)
A dream . something on the horizon just out of reach
last night it stopped being a dream and finally became a goal lets hope it doesn’t take another 40 years to be fully achived
congratulations america u can come out of the dog house now and may i sat dámņ fine choice
A dream . something on the horizon just out of reach
last night it stopped being a dream and finally became a goal lets hope it doesn’t take another 40 years to be fully achived
congratulations america u can come out of the dog house now and may i sat dámņ fine choice
A dream . something on the horizon just out of reach
last night it stopped being a dream and finally became a goal lets hope it doesn’t take another 40 years to be fully achived
congratulations america u can come out of the dog house now and may i sat dámņ fine choice
It was an excellent speech by McCain. I only wish the way he gave that speech is the way he ran his campaign: respectful and honorable.
Yeah Craig, I wish that too. But he didn’t.
But I also think McCain will retire when his term is up in 2 years, and that the Senate will be a lesser place without him.
That depends on who replaces him.
I, for one, won’t be sad to see him go. For all of my talk in the recent Star Wars thread about people deserving second chances, I feel that McCain got what was coming to him tonight and that we shouldn’t forget or forgive what he did just because he lost the race. One little concession speech doesn’t change the fact that McCain abandoned his principles and turned to Karl Rove’s playbook, the same playbook that was used against him. McCain once said there was a special place in hëll for people who used those tactics. I guess if there is, he’ll be seeing it firsthand.
I’m happy that Obama won. I’m even happier that McCain lost. It was like seeing Flash Thompson getting into the boxing ring with Peter Parker and getting his ášš handed to him. Flash deserved it. So did McCain.
I’d say that maybe in time McCain could turn into a decent guy like Flash did, but I don’t know if McCain will live long enough to undergo that kind of change.
It was an excellent speech by McCain. I only wish the way he gave that speech is the way he ran his campaign: respectful and honorable.
Yeah Craig, I wish that too. But he didn’t.
But I also think McCain will retire when his term is up in 2 years, and that the Senate will be a lesser place without him.
That depends on who replaces him.
I, for one, won’t be sad to see him go. For all of my talk in the recent Star Wars thread about people deserving second chances, I feel that McCain got what was coming to him tonight and that we shouldn’t forget or forgive what he did just because he lost the race. One little concession speech doesn’t change the fact that McCain abandoned his principles and turned to Karl Rove’s playbook, the same playbook that was used against him. McCain once said there was a special place in hëll for people who used those tactics. I guess if there is, he’ll be seeing it firsthand.
I’m happy that Obama won. I’m even happier that McCain lost. It was like seeing Flash Thompson getting into the boxing ring with Peter Parker and getting his ášš handed to him. Flash deserved it. So did McCain.
I’d say that maybe in time McCain could turn into a decent guy like Flash did, but I don’t know if McCain will live long enough to undergo that kind of change.
So enjoy the next four years. I hope I am wrong in my fears for where Obama might take us. Because if he does what I think he will do (raise taxes, go along with a return of the so called “fairness doctrine,” crush the coal industry, etc.), I suspect some of you will be still blaming Bush for the “mess” he left as a way of defending Obama for the state the country is in.
One hopes that won’t happen. After all, the GOP did nothing but blame Clinton for absolutely everything that went wrong over the last eight years, no matter how tortured the stretch in logic. So one hopes that Democrats won’t have to stoop to the same tactics.
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I’m just so dámņ happy. The whole world is happy. Any moment now I expect to wake up from the dream. This is history in the making. Maybe I’m being too optismitic, but I can’t stop remembering the peace and prosperity of the Clinton years, and hope that Obama and the Democrat-controlled Congress will recapture them.
I won’t say anything about Bush or the Republicans or the Religious Right or any of this stuff. It’s over, the people has spoken and the nightmare is over.
I’m still in awe.
When we invaded Afghanistan, I gritted my teeth because I knew war was inevitable but I could halfway support it. The day we invaded Iraq, a country with which I could find no link to the attacks on our country, I packed away my flag and refused to fly one until W was out of office. Today, I fly the flag from my grandfather’s funeral (Navy), stretched between the windows. It’s so big it hangs over part of the garage door, but it’s a beautiful sight.
And CT roundly spanked the special interest groups. We will keep our Constitution as is, women’s rights and gay marriage intact.
One comment in the Guardian today:
“Thanks America. I feel like we just had awesome make up sex”.
Says it all for me. Big well done from the UK.
One comment in the Guardian today:
“Thanks America. I feel like we just had awesome make up sex”.
Says it all for me. Big well done from the UK.
Blindpew – We have the same problem with the popular vote not necessarily being reflected in election results. In this case, however, it isn’t a matter of a handful of debatable votes resulting in a contentious ‘win’, Obama pretty clearly had a definite majority of the popular vote. By at least two million last I checked. Hard to argue with that.
Blindpew – We have the same problem with the popular vote not necessarily being reflected in election results. In this case, however, it isn’t a matter of a handful of debatable votes resulting in a contentious ‘win’, Obama pretty clearly had a definite majority of the popular vote. By at least two million last I checked. Hard to argue with that.
Edward – “Also, hopefully when the next African-American is elected President, the race issue won’t be such a big deal. ” It will be … so long as we keep hyphenating things and calling them “African-Americans” or “Asian-Americans” instead of simply “Americans”.
I can see your point, StarWolf, but labels like African-American or Asian-American can also show the makeup of a subculture. I know people who’ve used the African-American title as a point of pride and to remind themselves of where they’ve come from in regards to civil rights. Simply calling everyone in the country Americans, while accurate, leaves out a lot. We can all be American, one nation, and still have diversity.
Must admit, though, the only other time I’ve really heard Asian-American was in college when a guy I knew whose parent came from Korea used it to really get on people’s nerves. He did EVERYTHING to get on people’s nerves. Can there be an Idiot-American label?
Bush is a third as popular as Clinton was when he was impeached. But he wears your gang colors, so don’t let Bush’s wrongness and the unpopularity he ‘searned stop you from denying the damage he’s done to the country.
Bush is a third as popular as Clinton was when he was impeached. But he wears your gang colors, so don’t let Bush’s wrongness and the unpopularity he ‘searned stop you from denying the damage he’s done to the country.
blindpew, Obama, not counting NC, won 62,527,406 votes to 55,450,968 votes. Even if the two maps I’ve looked at this morning haven’t added NC in, they both show that NC went dámņ near 50/50 with a slight lead for Obama.
He won the popular vote.
Well, now that the national races are pretty much decided, the state issues…
The Abortion Ban in SD failed, the “Personhood” Amendment here in Colorado failed.
Arizona and Florida passed gay marriage bans.
And so far, it looks like California will also pass Amendment 8.
The work to end hatred and bigotry and racism, and to stop making such things part of the laws of states and of the country, is not over.
I too have issues with the “African-American” label. Wasn’t there a candidate’s wife who was white South African? Where as there are black Americans whose families have been here for 200 years, but they’re “African”? For Obama though, since he is the son of an African I think it could actually be an accurate usage. It’s interesting to me as well that because his father is African he doesn’t have the personal link to the slavery age. I think that helps him in transcending the lingering hurt from that time.
Also, I didn’t realize until I heard the PBS mini-bios on McCain and Obama, but neither one was born in the continental U.S.! McCain in the Panama Canal zone (Navy kid) and Obama in Hawaii. Weird.
That speech by McCain was his best work of whole campaign in my opinion. If I’d heard more of him speaking like that he might have had a better chance. I think that McCain tried to change too much to appeal to the conservative Republicans and it just didn’t “fit” for him.
I too have issues with the “African-American” label. Wasn’t there a candidate’s wife who was white South African? Where as there are black Americans whose families have been here for 200 years, but they’re “African”? For Obama though, since he is the son of an African I think it could actually be an accurate usage. It’s interesting to me as well that because his father is African he doesn’t have the personal link to the slavery age. I think that helps him in transcending the lingering hurt from that time.
Also, I didn’t realize until I heard the PBS mini-bios on McCain and Obama, but neither one was born in the continental U.S.! McCain in the Panama Canal zone (Navy kid) and Obama in Hawaii. Weird.
That speech by McCain was his best work of whole campaign in my opinion. If I’d heard more of him speaking like that he might have had a better chance. I think that McCain tried to change too much to appeal to the conservative Republicans and it just didn’t “fit” for him.
He won the popular vote.
And at the margin of popular vote totals so far, Obama won the popular vote by a health 6%.
What’s really mind boggling though is that while many predicted 130-140 million, the total so far doesn’t even match the 122 million from 4 years ago.
The numbers for this year will still rise a bit more, but the total vote may end up being less than 2004, which I would have to say means all this talk about getting new voters signed up and out to vote was a complete failure.
Sean – And why isn’t there a “European-American” label? And, anyway, while it certainly wasn’t true of the bad old slavery days, nowadays, people generally go somewhere else because they feel they’ll have a shot at a better life. If so, then why drag along all that baggage which can only complicate the process of making a fresh start?
Sean – And why isn’t there a “European-American” label? And, anyway, while it certainly wasn’t true of the bad old slavery days, nowadays, people generally go somewhere else because they feel they’ll have a shot at a better life. If so, then why drag along all that baggage which can only complicate the process of making a fresh start?