Apparently John McCain’s campaign manager is contending that Palin is being shielded from the media, not because she can’t handle an interview, but because they’re gonna be mean to her:
“Why would we want to throw Sarah Palin into a cycle of piranhas called the news media that have nothing better to ask questions about than her personal life and her children?” he asked. “So until at which point in time we feel like the news media is going to treat her with some level of respect and deference, I think it would be foolhardy to put her out into that kind of environment,” he said.
Three things occur to me:
1) If McCain’s people were taking this position with a male candidate, the perception would be that he’s weak and inept. So McCain’s people are banking on the concept that her being a woman will preclude that criticism, because anyone who says that will be tagged as being insulting and anti-feminist.
2) This sounds unbelievably patronizing to her and monumentally arrogant to the media. They’re saying she can’t handle tough questions, or at least shouldn’t have to, and they are endeavoring to dictate terms as to how the media has to treat her in order to rate an interview.
3) Someone who needs this much handling and protection doesn’t exactly inspire confidence in contemplating her being toe-to-toe with various foreign dictators and strong men, particularly if a stilled heartbeat thrusts her into the presidency anytime after January 2009. Golda Meir didn’t need insulation. Neither did Margaret Thatcher, to whom Palin has ludicrously been compared. Well…NOW Thatcher needs insulation, because she has dementia. So basically Sarah Palin needs as much protection as a former world leader who has trouble recalling her husband is dead. Make of that what you will.
PAD
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By the by, what’s your take on the whole Lipstick on a pig thing? Unless I missed something, it sounds like McCain’s people (formerly Bush’s people) are trying for another Swift Boat.
Making a big deal out of “Lipstick on a pig” is ridiculous…except in the sense that it did put the Obama team on the defensive, I guess, and keep the Palin story alive for a few more days. It should have been laughed out of the arena but after the way worse insults from the dim bulbs who think they are helping the Democrats by acting deranged, it had traction.
I think though at this point the McCain people may have taken the faux umbrage too far and they run the risk of looking like whiners if they keep doing this. Polls have shown that more people have disapproved of Palin’s treatment than have approved and she’s ridden that opinion for all it’s worth but if they over rely on that they will see a serious reversal of fortune.
I would expect to see the frontrunner change position several times between now and election day but unless Obama goes into election day more than 3 or 4 points behind across the board, he wins. Everything I’ve read says he has a formidable ground game. Elections are won by getting people to the polls, not by popularity. McCain can turn a majority of the people against Obama but that doesn’t mean that those who do like him will lose heart and not vote. You can’t win just by driving the other guy’s negatives up–that was one of Kerry’s mistakes. Obama’s supporters love him more than McCain’s people love McCain.
I respect people like PAD, who think Obama will lose for the reasons they give, but I disagree with them. Now, it’s not a done deal–I thought Howard Dean had it wrapped up but his support was a lot more shallow than I’d suspected. But if people were looking for a reason to reject Obama they would have used Wright as an excuse. He weathered the storm and he’ll probably survive the idiots who think they are being helpful.
Oh, man. I missed it last night, but I just saw the opening monologue of Saturday Night Live on hulu. It was hilarious: http://www.hulu.com/collections/99
Absolutely, Luigi. We saw it online last night — indescribably funny. Tina Fey is pure gold.
“By the by, what’s your take on the whole Lipstick on a pig thing? Unless I missed something, it sounds like McCain’s people (formerly Bush’s people) are trying for another Swift Boat.”
I’m hoping that it backfires huge on them. The fact that they’re flat making up the fact that “lipstick on a pig” was an insult directed at Palin and claiming that it’s 100% true when challenged on it, claiming that a quote they made up about digging dirt on Palin is 100% true and claiming that it’s 100% true when challenged on it, distorting a quote about Palin being told something and claiming that it’s 100% true when challenged on it and about ten other like examples all in a such a short period of time is starting to piss me off enough to vote for Obama just to spite McCain. I’m used to politicians telling lies. They all do it. Even Obama has been caught in a few this year. But the last two weeks of the McCain-Palin Fabrication Tour is pushing it in a major way. Ðámņëd near every other word out of their mouths have been lies.
And they’re not even the slick type of lies. These lies can be debunked with either two minutes of web browsing or simple common sense. It’s almost like they’re telling the American electorate that McCain-Palin thinks they’re all dumber than dirt. While I always find the typical politician’s lies annoying; these lies are just downright insulting and pìššìņg me off.
“Deathbed: the bed that kills”
“Would make a great double feature with “Killer Condom”.”
Nah… Killer Condom needs to be third on the play list. The Nightmare Never Ends (may be a DVD tacked on title as it doesn’t come up on imdb) needs to be #2. It’s about a possessed killer mirror. If we work hard enough, we should be able to create an entire movie marathon out of evil furniture. Wasn’t one of the crappier Poltergeist sequels about a cursed coat rack or something?
“can you recall a film where a town or school is taken over by some kind of zombie plague and the only people who are unaffected are those kids who are taking ADHD drugs or whatever?”
Nope. You’ve totally got me on that one.
“can you recall a film where a town or school is taken over by some kind of zombie plague and the only people who are unaffected are those kids who are taking ADHD drugs or whatever?”
Nope. You’ve totally got me on that one.
Well, good then. Maybe I can still use it.
The Nightmare Never Ends (may be a DVD tacked on title as it doesn’t come up on imdb) I believe that movie can be found under the titles Cataclysm, Satan’s Supper AND it was edited into the incomprehensible mess that is Satan’s Supper. But I don’t recall any haunted mirrors in it…are you sure you aren’t thinking of 1980s The Boogeyman
McCain finally shows a touch of class. He actually said that Obama did not call Palin a pib.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080915/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_lipstick;_ylt=AqNDjynOiBOq777H2uaopd6s0NUE
Crap.
“…Obama did not call Palin a pig.”
Not pib.
“are you sure you aren’t thinking of 1980s The Boogeyman”
I could be. I have an el cheapo Eastwood DVD that I got as a gift a few years ago that’s got two movies on it. One of them is the one I mentioned and one is called Boogeyman. I didn’t dig the DVD out when I wrote the above post and may have gotten the one’s title mixed with the other’s in my head.
McCain finally shows a touch of class. He actually said that Obama did not call Palin a pib.
The thing is, it doesn’t matter what he says now. It’s what he said when this bruhaha first started that really mattered. And at that point, McCain didn’t bother to be honest with us. The damage is done.
Now McCain is still trying to say that while Obama didn’t outright call Palin a pig, Obama was still insinuating it, instead. No, there’s no class there whatsoever.
“The thing is, it doesn’t matter what he says now. It’s what he said when this bruhaha first started that really mattered. And at that point, McCain didn’t bother to be honest with us. The damage is done.”
And the ad with the claim is still running more times a day than anyone will see McCain’s half hearted statement that ObeeKris pointed out.
“When I worked in a research lab at a VA hospital we had terrible temperature control problems. Nobody cared.”
Here is an idea for a horror movie.
“lipstick on a pig”
Here is an idea for a muppet political sketch.
“Obama’s supporters love him more than McCain’s people love McCain.”
But they seem to love Palin.
“Super Fuzz” – would that be the Terence Hill/Busd Spencer film set in Miami?
About the most obscure film i have is “Watch Out We’re Mad” – also Hill & Spencer – which i only recently discovered has a girl i almost went to high school with as the love interest.
In Madrid.
(A girl i *did* go to high school with – Amy Stryker – played the bride in Altman’s “A Wedding”.)
“”Super Fuzz” – would that be the Terence Hill/Busd Spencer film set in Miami?”
Don’t forget good ol’ Ernest Borgnine as his sidekick! (I don’t remember Bud Spencer being in it though.)
But they seem to love Palin.
yeah but a vice presidential candidate, even one that inspires, won’t win the race. Geraldine Ferraro didn’t keep Mondale from being crushed, though one could argue that Mondale was doomed from the start.
Ok, here’s an obscure one–REVENGE OF DR X. An American/Japanese co-production. The credits on the box talk about a different movie entirely. Rumored to have a script by none other than Edward D Wood and listening to it I’d agree. Terrible in a truly compelling way.
Do the cover credits describe it as a zombie(ish) movie set on an island?
Do the cover credits describe it as a zombie(ish) movie set on an island?
The cover credits think the movie is The Mad Doctor of Blood Island, in fact I think even the opening credits are operating under that assumption.
BTW, there is no Dr X and nobody gets any revenge. The only more misleading title would be something like THE DOUBLE GARDEN, which was its other title. If you can get through the incredibly padded first hour it pays off with a monster so terrible it would have been rejected by the Mighty Morphing Power Rangers. It stars poor James Craig, who looks plastered the whole time and shouts his lines and was directed by Kenneth (THE MANSTER) Crane, who I hope was drunk.
It’s great.
You can watch it for free at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5074520914321662305&q=the+revenge+of+doctor+x
I take no responsibility for any mental harm that results.
“The cover credits think the movie is The Mad Doctor of Blood Island…”
Yeah, that’s what I thought. I’ve actually heard of these films but never seen them. They’re in several bad movie trivia sections. The films were going to be released as a double bill and then that was scuttled. The thing is that they never got around to fixing the issue with the credits and Double Garden never had the credits from Blood Island removed from it’s prints. For whatever reason, the screw up always makes it to the print breakdowns of the films as well and Garden keeps getting described with Island’s plot.
The wisdom of Count Gor de Vol at work for yah.
The Spider Robinson book previously asked about is probably Telempath, but it doesn’t have anything to do with autism per se. The McGuffin is that all human’s sense of smell is ramped up to bloodhound-+ levels. There are some people who can’t take the extra sensory input, particularly those in large cities when it happens, that shut down, but that’s a very minor element in the book’s backstory.
The fascinating point of this ran now is that Obama is actually running against Palin now. But that will backfire because every time Palin’s background is stated to be insufficient for the VP position, it’s easy to point out in return that Obama has even LESS experience than Palin. I believe this is one of the reasons why the McCain/Palin ticket has taken off while the Obama/Biden ticket is stationary. That, and of course the verbal assasination attempts aimed at Palin after her acceptance speech. So far I’ve seen nothing of substance mentioned either here or in the liberal media which disqualifies Palin for the job…and this might very well lead to a push for a Palin run for President in 4-8 years. This idea has the SDs (Socialist Democrats) scared to death as Palin is already being referred to as “Reagan in a skirt”. Note: you may take this as a pro-McCain posting. Far be it from the truth. I won’t vote for McCain…but maybe Palin in the future if she doesn’t lose her way after getting to D.C..
And another note: I find the treatment of Palin by the SDs to be incredibly sexist and hypocritical. If such tactic were to be used against say, Hillary Clinton, the liberal media would be coming apart at the seams with foaming at the mouth (can you say Keith Oberman?) rants against those who dared to make such claims.
Did anyone question the child rearing abilities of the “co-President” during the Clinton years? Does anyone suggest that Nancy Pelosi is a bad mother for becoming the Speaker of the House? Oh, and Pelosi has as many children as Palin by the way. Has anyone seen stories in the liberal media about the investigations into the possible fraud case against one of Biden’s sons? No, and you never will because of one thing…a D by their names.
Yeah, I’ve read this Spider Robinson novel too, and I don’t think there are any autists in it. But it’s been a while.
Schwehr, I always find it funny when Americans call the Democrats “socialists”. When you live in a country and a sub-continent that has real socialists, you see how moderate the Democrats are (particularly now).
Neil Gaiman has said that in the US you get a party that is right-wing, and another party that is big-sized right-wing with extra fries.
C. Schwehr: “So far I’ve seen nothing of substance mentioned either here or in the liberal media which disqualifies Palin for the job…and this might very well lead to a push for a Palin run for President in 4-8 years. … I won’t vote for McCain…but maybe Palin in the future if she doesn’t lose her way after getting to D.C..”
So being proven to be a habitual liar and having shown one’s self to be pretty much clueless is seen as a positive attribute for Republicans running for the highest office in the land these days? Ðámņ. Bush really did lower the bar to embarrassingly new depths.
“Schwehr, I always find it funny when Americans call the Democrats “socialists”.”
“Socialists” and “socialism” are the words de jour around here again. Anything that rabid conservatives don’t agree with is socialism whether the label makes any sense in relation to the subject or not. We had a local drive time, conservative AM talk guy who built up his ratings and moved on to greener pastures by basically calling everything he didn’t like socialism and having tantrums about stuff on the air that sounded like a fourth grader screaming about stuff.
It works so well and is so popular because it makes things simple and keeps many of the faithful from having to actual think about anything.
Didn’t Spider use the idea as a side bit in one of his Callahan or Lady Sally stories? I’m not saying it was the only place he used it, but I seem to remember what you’re talking about and those are pretty much the majority of my Spider Robinson reading.
“socialist” is the lazy way to tag liberals, just as “fascist” is the lazy way to tag conservatives. People who do that probably have no idea that to most reasonable people it just screams “You can basically just ignore me now.”
If you have a good argument, make it. Sullying it with needless name calling won’t win any hearts and minds.
“just as “fascist” is the lazy way to tag conservatives.”
Yeah, that one is coming back into fashion after almost crawling back under its rock. The other fun one by the fringe was calling Bush and crew Hitler whenever they ran out of good arguments. And that was often three statements into their argument…
C. Schwehr: “So far I’ve seen nothing of substance mentioned either here or in the liberal media which disqualifies Palin for the job…and this might very well lead to a push for a Palin run for President in 4-8 years. … I won’t vote for McCain…but maybe Palin in the future if she doesn’t lose her way after getting to D.C..”
But the basis for a job interview is not that there is nothing that disqualifies a candidate, but is there something that qualifies the candidate for the position. So far I see nothing of substance that QUALIFIES her for the job.
ObeeKris: He actually said that Obama did not call Palin a pib.
Luigi Novi: Um, well, that’s good to know. That he didn’t call her a brand of canned soda.
🙂
Ack. I hate it when I mess up my formatting.
This idea has the SDs (Socialist Democrats)
[BONG] Useless cliche police, clean-up on aisle four.
Move along, folks. Nothing left to see.
“ObeeKris: He actually said that Obama did not call Palin a pib”
Actually, in the metaphor the Republican party are the pib and McCain or Palin or both are the lipstick.
“But the basis for a job interview is not that there is nothing that disqualifies a candidate, but is there something that qualifies the candidate for the position. So far I see nothing of substance that QUALIFIES her for the job.”
She’s been the mayor of a town in Alaska. She’s been the governor of the state of Alaska. She has a proven track record as a reformer, taking on corrupt individuals both inside and outside of her own party.
That’s only a couple of sentences and an excellent beginning.
She’s more qualified for the job she’s running for than Obama is qualified for the job he’s running for. Which is why I cannot believe why the Dems are harping on her experience. Everytime they open their mouths about her alledged lack of experience, they shine the spotlight on the empty suit that’s heading up their own ticket.
So by all means, please keep it up. If Palin’s not experienced enough to be VP, the junior senator from Illinois certainly isn’t qualified for the #1 slot. (That’s a statement he agreed with around the time he became the junior senator from Illinois.)
“She has a proven track record as a reformer, taking on corrupt individuals both inside and outside of her own party.”
Except she has no such thing and the Republicans cry foul and throw up smoke screens about the evil MSM picking on a poor, helpless girl whenever anyone tries to go looking for any proof beyond what the GOP says about her.
What do we know about her record?
She was a federal earmark queen as mayor. She hired her towns first lobbyist when she was mayor and had him snag federal money to pay for local issues.
But she must have done better as governor.
Well, she did say no to the bridge to nowhere.
Except that’s not true. She said yes to the bridge to nowhere. She supported it right up until after congress killed it due to public outrage. She kept the federal cash as well and rolled it into other projects.
But she got rid of those extravagances that others had placed in the office of governor! She sold that plane on EBay. And, according to John McCain himself, she made a profit on it.
Except that wasn’t true either. She tried to sell it on Ebay and failed to get a buyer and spent money in the process of failing to do so. They finally sold it through a broker at a loss.
But at least she got rid of that pesky private chef. Right, Timothy?
Well, not really it turns out. Another claim becomes a lie. She “fired” her as chef, placed her in a new job position with a new title and kept her on to continue cooking for the family.
But she did refuse the governor’s pay raise that the last governor had secured.
Well, except that she bilked the Alaskan government for two to three times the amount of the raise by paying herself for traveling expenses and meals whenever she stayed in her own house while governor. That was something that the prior Democratic governor forbade anyone in his to do because it stank of corruption. But it didn’t stink too much for Palin it seems.
But at least you can count on her to not display the same cronyism that Bush has displayed. She wouldn’t fill vital positions in government with under qualified chums.
Except… That does seem to be what’s coming out about her hiring practices. Several local reporters who have been interviewed have said that was even a bit of a joke that Palin’s SR high school yearbook now partially doubled as the directory for her administration.
But she wants transparent government at least. Except, that’s not true either. Local reporters have commented on the fact that getting basic information about many things in her administration was like pulling teeth.
And now, after declaring loudly and publicly that she was going to cooperate fully with the abuse of power investigation against her she’s done an about face and declared that she’ll refuse to cooperate. It’s all the evil Dems playing partisans games after all.
Except that the vote to start the investigation was bi-partisan and the tie breaking vote was cast by a Republican who came back from his hunting trip, and still in his hunting cloths if the stories about that are true, to ensure that the investigation would go forward.
Yeah… *** Sarcasm Alert *** She’s just such a breath of fresh air.
Can you say business as usual, Timothy? I knew you could.
“Can you say business as usual, Timothy? I knew you could.”
I can say that getting one’s news from Daily Kos and/or even the mainstream media outlets is not advisable. The amount of “information” that has been fabricated to attack this woman and her family is staggering. I’ll stick to the truth. Thanks.
By the way, you left out the tanning bed that Governor Palin had installed at her residence. You obviously put a lot of effort into that list of smears. I just wanted it to be complete.
I personally loved it when Palin announced she would not cooperate with the “abuse of power” investigation. Smart of her, especially since it has become a wholly owned subsidiary of the Committee to Elect Barrak Obama. I applaud her move.
Now that is BUSINESS AS USUAL. Especially from the junior senator. I’m sure his ground troops in Alaska can dig up some dirt on Palin. You can’t succeed as a reformer without making some fierce political enemies. Despite her 80% approval rating, I’m sure there are a few people who will be willing to speak out against their governor.
By the way, any thoughts from your end on the news that Obama asked the leadership of Iraqi to resist agreeing to troop deployment timelines until after the election?
Timothy,
1- I don’t read Kos.
2- “I can say that getting one’s news from Daily Kos and/or even the mainstream media outlets is not advisable.“
Oh… You’re one of those. And I should rely on who? Fox News maybe? Yeah, the channel that almost to the last program promotes Jerome Corsi’s book as a fact filled, scholarly tome when it can’t even get basic facts correct and sources private web blogs that themselves source anonymous sources is a great place to find trustworthy information.
3- Just so you know… I dislike Obama and have been sharply critical of him.
4- I know about the tanning bed. I left it out since there hasn’t been any solid news on whether it was bought through state funds or her own cash yet. If it was paid for with her own cash then I have no problems with it. It would be no different than buying anything else with your own cash.
5- (And most importantly)I love the fact that you didn’t dispute a single fact presented you. All you did was crack open the conservative talking points playbook and scream “MSM”, reuse the “dig dirt” lie from the McCain-Palin ad and reference a website like Kos. And you won’t dispute them with anything factual or substantive since you know perfectly well that Palin isn’t what the GOP is packaging her as and that Palin and McCain have been telling lies almost every time she’s opened her mouth since the convention.
By the way, any thoughts from your end on the news that Obama asked the leadership of Iraqi to resist agreeing to troop deployment timelines until after the election?
I would not believe anything like that without considerably more evidence than just one guy’s say so. You can argue that if they were saying it about McCain it would be a bigger story and you may be correct but that would not make it any more valid. Wouldn’t be the first time politicians in the middle east heard something that wasn’t said.
Timothy,
Got to agree with Jerry. Two weeks ago you came in full of fire and brimstone and wound up using such erudite terms as “libtards,” “Obama Bin Biden,” and “sheeple.” You apologized for it and a lot of people here (myself included, and I believe Jerry as well) welcomed you back to the discussion with open arms. Now it looks like you might be headed right back off the rails.
If you have evidence to rebut the various things Jerry has brought up, CITE IT. Just saying “oh, that’s the media talking and it’s all nonsense” is serving no good end other than, perhaps, perpetuating the tried and true Big Lie technique.
Jerry’s criticisms are not those of form over substance: they are real concerns about Gov. Palin’s methods of governance and fitness for the job, and have had actual published documentation backing them up. If you want to dismiss that as just the Dreaded MSM™, then I humbly suggest that you might want to consider (a) giving some actual information, and (b) suggesting avenues of information that you would consider unbiased.
And for the record, I don’t read Daily Kos either, although I like Obama more than Jerry does.
Now — want to try again?
TWL
My main man, BILL MULLIGAN
A few days back you mentioned the automatic talking points that would come out of both sides of the political spectrum if their party/candidate loses.
And you mentioned that in the case of a McCain loss, cries of “Liberal media” would be heard, which is probably right. (I cry Li”Bill”eral Mulligan heh? nevermind)
But the biggest issue with media bias is really that it adds to a lack of discourse and conversation pre and most importantly post election. You cannot have a decent conversation anymore. Also, with the new media rising and rising fast, the biggest problem for some with the media bias is that they are costing Obama votes.
Read the following from authour, philosopher and yes farmer Victor Davis Hansen
Obama Compulsive Disorder
The hallowed NBC brand of old is now devolved into MSNBC’s Matthews-Olbermann embarrassment. The once revered Atlantic Monthly now hosts blogger Andrew Sullivan trafficking in rumors that Gov. Palin’s daughter really delivered her Down Syndrome child, and then hires an unhinged photographer (best known previously for making children cry to make political statements) who brags post facto that she tried to subvert her own cover photos of McCain, before posting creepy photo-shopped out-takes of him on her website. To read a NY Times columnist is to be told ad nauseam that Gov. Palin is a bumpkin hockey mom. Whether an US magazine cover picture of Palin, or the Washington Post’s recycling old stories about Cindy McCain, the result is always the same: a concerted effort to ensure an Obama election.
The university crowd weighs in with op-eds warning us about white rural culture and the toxic landscapes that raised Sarah Palin, or why she is a counterfeit woman who piggybacked on the heroic work of pro-abortion pioneers. Every day another Hollywood dimwit—a Matt Damon, Lindsay Lohan, or Chevy Chase—attacks Palin or McCain in a fashion as crude as it is half-educated and incoherent.
Is it that hard to see, then, why McCain is dead-even or ahead—even when the incumbent Republican brand is suffering by association to war, economic uncertainty, and now financial meltdown?
There is a growing public anger at the petty amateurish biases of those who claim they are sophisticated and subtle; and it is not just that they sympathize with a smeared Palin, but are angry that the media thinks they are so stupid not to catch on. The odder thing still is that the media obsession has turned into some sort of compulsive disorder—they know that they are way out of bounds; know that they are hurting their own candidate Obama— and they know that they simply can’t and won’t quit now.
Jerry,
1) Very good for you.
2) Frankly, I’m not sure. I’ve been relying on a number of online sources. I’ve been deliberately paying little or no attention to any outlets that have shown their true colors over the last few weeks. Why should I? They’ve shown themselves to be political in nature. (I’m one of THOSE? Which of THOSE do you mean?)
3)Apparently, not as much as Palin. What don’t you like about Obama?
4)According to the news I’ve read, she paid for it with her own funds. But I’m sure some won’t let that stop some in their rush to find anything to smear this woman. Lots of fear behind all this negative coverage.
5)What “facts” did you present? I missed them. All I saw was a rehash of the same Palin smears that have been circulating. Sorry, I know nothing of what you say that I “know.” Since Palin joined the ticket, I’ve gone from being an apathetic conservative not sure which third party candidate to support to an energized excited conservative. I’m part of the base that Palin’s pick has fired up. (According to World Weekly News, Sarah has bagged a Bigfoot now. There’s nothing this woman can’t do!!! LOL)
Bill,
Obama seems to confirm much of the report in this NY Times story:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/16/obama-plans-trip-pre-election-day-visit-to-iraq-and-afghanistan/?scp=1&sq=My%20concern%20is%20that%20the%20Bush%20administration,%20in%20a%20weakened%20state%20politically,%20ends%20up%20trying%20to%20rush%20a
Nothing will come of this. It’s just really interesting that Sarah Palin can’t take a breath without someone inventing a new smear about her while something like this Obama story hardly makes a ripple.
“I would not believe anything like that without considerably more evidence than just one guy’s say so.”
And so far that’s what it seems to be. I’d love it (no sarcasm here) if someone would give a reliable link to the story. It’s pouring rain out so I’ve been stuck inside doing housework. I’ve had the news on all morning bouncing back and forth between CNN, CNN Headline, Fox News and MSNBC. I’d not heard this before and I’ve yet to see this “news” mentioned anywhere today either.
She’s more qualified for the job she’s running for than Obama is qualified for the job he’s running for.
Which means she’s also more qualified for the job than McCain is. But keep on ignoring that little fact, too.
I’ll stick to the truth. Thanks.
You obviously put a lot of effort into that list of smears.
I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to say you’re not interested in the truth, and that you believe everything said against the right is a smear.
Case in point, you automatically dismiss the entire list of issues with Palin as merely smears coming from an obviously biased liberal media.
Don’t you ever get tired of trotting out the same bs excuses? Of simply ignoring serious questions about a candidate that you appear to support?
A bigger question may be: for all the hammering on Obama about his being merely a celebrity, why does the same standard now not apply to Palin? The right has turned her into a rock star, but since she’s a right-winger, that’s ok, right?
By the way, any thoughts from your end on the news that Obama asked the leadership of Iraqi to resist agreeing to troop deployment timelines until after the election?
Would this be from a right-wing equivalent of DailyKos/MSM? Or is only anything reported by FoxNews the ‘truth’ these days?
Just as disgusting is the latest spin from the right, both with McCain’s campaign and the average internet blogger, that the ongoing investigation into Palin in Alaska has been corrupted by the Democrats.
Never mind the fact that the investigation was started with bi-partisan support. Imagine that: bi-partisan support for something!
And have the Democrats suddenly have taken control of the government of Alaska? The fact alone that there are Democrats in Alaska’s state government shocks me, much less that they’ve taken over.
5- (And most importantly)
Jerry, you’ve most certainly hit it on the head with this statement. It’s par for the course; dismiss facts, smear the opponent, and never make an effort to defend yourself.
Wait… That’s it?
“Among the issues being discussed with the two presidential candidates is the long-term security accord between Iraq and the United States. While the Bush administration would like to see an agreement reached before the summer’s political conventions, Mr. Obama said today that he opposed such a timetable.
“My concern is that the Bush administration, in a weakened state politically, ends up trying to rush an agreement that in some ways might be binding to the next administration, whether it’s my administration or Senator McCain’s administration,” Mr. Obama said. “The foreign minister agreed that the next administration should not be bound by an agreement that’s currently made.””
Wow. Obama feels a last minute deal on security accords by Bush and crew would be a bad idea since neither he nor, according to McCains’ latest version of what he believes, McCain agree with much of the Bush policy. Since much of what has come out of Iraq’s government in the last few months in regards to how soon they want us out and about the deals they’re making with China for oil drilling rights and Iran for support; I have no problem with either Obama or McCain stating that a last minute push by Bush for another boneheaded move wasn’t the best course of action for either the US or Iraq.
“Got to agree with Jerry. Two weeks ago you came in full of fire and brimstone and wound up using such erudite terms as “libtards,” “Obama Bin Biden,” and “sheeple.” You apologized for it and a lot of people here (myself included, and I believe Jerry as well) welcomed you back to the discussion with open arms. Now it looks like you might be headed right back off the rails.”
How so? By the way, my apology last time was sincere and I’m glad it was accepted. I did note, however, that despite the fact that I was pretty openly attacked, no one rushed to apologize to me.
“Now — want to try again?”
Not particularly. Oh, if I thought the concerns being expressed were legitimate issues about “methods of governance and fitness for the job,” I’d be interested in spending more time. But they’re not. Honestly, they read like a list of petty complaints about a popular governor who’s had an excellent record of reform over the past couple of years. I mean, let’s look at the huge “Jet on eBay” scandal. It was a great line at the convention. She said that she put it on eBay. I don’t know what McCain said about it subsequently, but I’ll take your word that he said she sold it at a profit. Is it really that critical to the campaign that she ultimately couldn’t sell it on eBay and did so through a broker??? Holy crap. The big story here is that she kept a campaign promise by getting rid of it. I mean, are you serious that you believe that this is a legitimate criticism?
It’s a nonissue, and the people who continue to push it seem to be people who will believe any filthy smear about this woman. It’s over the top, and it’s the reason why people like me are paying less and less attention to all the negativity.
“And so far that’s what it seems to be. I’d love it (no sarcasm here) if someone would give a reliable link to the story. It’s pouring rain out so I’ve been stuck inside doing housework. I’ve had the news on all morning bouncing back and forth between CNN, CNN Headline, Fox News and MSNBC. I’d not heard this before and I’ve yet to see this “news” mentioned anywhere today either.”
Check yesterday’s NY Post.
“I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to say you’re not interested in the truth, and that you believe everything said against the right is a smear.”
Wow. And just a few posts back, I was being accused (again) of going off the rails.
“Wow. Obama feels a last minute deal on security accords by Bush and crew would be a bad idea since neither he nor, according to McCains’ latest version of what he believes, McCain agree with much of the Bush policy. Since much of what has come out of Iraq’s government in the last few months in regards to how soon they want us out and about the deals they’re making with China for oil drilling rights and Iran for support; I have no problem with either Obama or McCain stating that a last minute push by Bush for another boneheaded move wasn’t the best course of action for either the US or Iraq.”
In the abstract, I agree with you. However, hypothetically speaking, visiting a foreign country, meeting with their leaders, and trying to interfere in their negotiations with our government would seem to be a violation of the Logan Act.
I think Obama’s safe, though. My understanding is that no one’s ever been prosecuted under the Logan Act.
“I can say that getting one’s news from Daily Kos and/or even the mainstream media outlets is not advisable.”
As long as people like you get all your information from Rush and Faux Noise, you will be so uninformed as to be beneath notice.
Wake up and face reality.
Got to agree with Jerry. Two weeks ago you came in full of fire and brimstone and wound up using such erudite terms as “libtards,” “Obama Bin Biden,” and “sheeple.” You apologized for it and a lot of people here (myself included, and I believe Jerry as well) welcomed you back to the discussion with open arms. Now it looks like you might be headed right back off the rails.
How so?
You’ve made it pretty clear: no media sources are to be trusted, and there are apparently no legitimate criticisms that can be made of Sarah Palin. That’s a sign of infatuation, not of reason. As I said in the part of my post you removed, if you have actual evidence against these alleged smears, CITE IT. The “smears” have had evidence produced in their favor — fighting it by saying it’s those EviLiberalMedia™ is coming off looking like a crazy person.
Discuss the issues like a reasonable person and you’ll be treated as such. Come off as a fanatic and you’ll be treated as such.
Now — want to try again?
Not particularly.
Okay. Cool, saves me time. ‘Bye, now.
TWL
AnthonyX– No, you don’t have to look far to find examples of bias. But I maintain that these things are not as effective in hurting conservatives as many conservatives seem to think. Most of the media may be in the tank for the Democrats but the reason republicans are in sorry shape politically has little or nothing to do with that–it’s a self inflicted wound.
I would even argue that there are certain advantages to being under the gun–makes you more cautious, for one, less prone to the hubris that brings on failure. So Larry Craig gets more attention for his bathroom habits than Charles Rangel and his (to me, anyway) more serious corruption. Result–republican’s are encouraged to get rid of Craig, while Rangel may well hang on. Does not getting rid of the corrupt help a party?
As Hanson seems to indicate, do you think Palin would be this popular if the attacks had not been so over the top? The Atlantic publishes an unflattering piece on McCain but nobody will remember it because of the acts of a derange-o photographer. Who won that exchange? Gibson exposed some weaknesses on Palin’s part but felt comfortable enough to go and misquote her. Result–the misquote becomes maybe the biggest story to come out of the exchange.
Media bias makes the media weaker and less effective. It’s a gift that keeps on giving to conservatives.
However, hypothetically speaking, visiting a foreign country, meeting with their leaders, and trying to interfere in their negotiations with our government would seem to be a violation of the Logan Act.
I’m not even sure the Logan act is constitutional. If there is any danger to Obama it will be if McCain can portray this as him trying to privately delay a pullout while publicly calling for one at the earliest time.
Obama can counter that he is more interested in a logical well organized reduction in troops than just something that gets them out as fast as possible. that may not go down well with the Code Pink types but A-who cares and B- they will vote for him anyway so no harm there.