One of the worst kept secrets in Hollywood is that Jodie Foster is gay. Kind of falls into the “Who cares?” department. Nevertheless it prompted an entire CNN discussion when Foster openly thanked her long-time partner when she accepted an award recently.
And all I can think is that somewhere John Hinckley is shouting, “Son of a BÍTÇH!” I mean, jeez…discovering that you’re the guy who embarked on a failed attempt to assassinate a president in order to romantically impress a lesbian. That’s gotta hurt.
PAD
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(My keyboard started malfunctioning, and I had to close that last post off prematurely.)
11. Duck Soup: It’s a brilliant exposure of the idiocy of world politics and militarism, and has nothing to say, good or bad, about Nazis.
12. Dr. Strangelove: The world is destroyed by a pack of idiots. That’s more a cautionary tale than a joke.
The fact that several people here are amused by Red Dwarf is their own affair. I didn’t see the Nazi-featuring episodes these people love so much, but I don’t feel deprived.
My response to you insisting Larry Craig is contrite about being gay is that he has persisted in denying he’s gay. You should abstain from persisting in making your point because, by even the thinnest fidelity to the truth, you are simply Wrong.™
By the standards of debating as its known to western civilization, that which is accurate is not diminished by repetition.
Since you’ve turned your back to your dinner companions to come back here:
How can hypocrisy be the “worst possible [reason]” and be irrelevant to the severity of a transgression at the same time. Do you require instruction on use of the word “worst?”
Bill Mulligan – It is interesting that you do not get the vibe of me insisting on a moral high ground in my lack of fondness for humor based on tragedy. I wouldn’t characterize it exactly that way – I can see humor in “tragedy,” but not in “atrocity” or “obscenity.” A man falling down a manhole and dying (tragedy, if played right) can be the basis of good humor, but there’s nothing funny about, say, a maniac abducting that man and drilling his eyes out (atrocity) or another maniac putting all of the people of that man’s religion in a death camp (obscenity as well as atrocity). I can’t keep you from finding that kind of material amusing, but I do see this as a moral issue. I would feel dirty if I thought jokes about recent assassinations, genocides or crimes against humanity were funny. With few exceptions, I don’t think death and degradation are all that amusing. They have a place in serious conversation, but not as the butt of a joke, unless the joke degrades the dignity of the monsters it parodies.
Mike, I don’t think anyone here has suggested that Larry Craig is “contrite.” The facts appear to be these: He is homosexual/He opposes rights for homosexuals/He speaks disparagingly about homosexuals/He denies that he is homosexual/It stands to reason that he must be a self-loathing, twisted, repressed homosexual. If he were contrite, he would confess to what he perceives as his sins, and nobody claims he has done that. Apparently you are upset that Bill Mulligan has not used your postings as his style sheet, because there is no difference in the substance of your two opinions of Mr. Craig, despite your objections that somehow you are right to say “A” while he is wrong to do the same.
Jeff,
PAD’s joke about John Hinckley: Its purpose is to mock and demean John Hinckley – and it succeeds. It’s pointing out that the idiot who did a very stupid thing also did it for a reason that is now completely out of the question.
JH: “I love Jodie Foster. If I do this really stupid thing, maybe she’ll notice me. After that, who knows? Maybe a date or two.”
Fast forward about two decades.
JF: “John, you’re a twerp and I’m gay. Drop dead and no chance in hëll.”
JH: “Son of a BÍTÇH!”
There is a certain level of humorous irony in that scenario.
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Bill,
“Jerry, there’s no point in telling someone that something is funny if they don’t find it so.”
“If Jeffrey were trying to claim some moral high ground in his lack of fondness for humor based on tragedy that would be one thing but I am not getting that vibe.”
I know that humor is subjective and all, but I was responding more to the fact that I am getting that vibe from him. The general tone of his posts has been that’s it’s wrong to joke about these things because it was sooooo tragic or that these people were soooo evil and good and decent people wouldn’t do something like that.
Of course, this is the same guy who seemed to take joy in the deaths of JFK JR and joked about the circumstances of his (and if memory serves without going back to check, his dad’s) deaths. I guess Jeff just finds it funny to joke about not-so-evil people’s deaths and take joy in those. But I could be wrong.
Jeffrey, who’s exulting in the exploitation of others? If the answer is “no one” — then what are you objecting to?
The only way Larry Craig’s homophobia could be unhypocritical is if he is contrite about his homosexuality — ie he no longer holds others to a standard he refuses to hold himself to. If you can think of another plausible way to frame Larry Craig’s homophobia and closet-homosexuality as unhypocritical, by all means, please don’t keep it to yourself.
Since you’ve turned your back to your dinner companions to come back here:
Yeah, dummy, most folks I know are done with dinner by 7:42.
We had some nice Thai curry dishes; green and red, along with some lovely Pad Thai noodles with a tamarind sauce. I also woked a bunch of sliced chicken in a few different sauces to add to the curries so we could experiment with different combinations of flavor. Except for the chicken cooked in the olive oil with black truffles, which was wayyyyy to strong for my palate, it came out well. Not a traditional Christmas eve meal, but very nice.
Then I digest with some internet typing, as is my wont.
Jeffrey–I guess I missed the point. If it’s ok to get laughs at Hitler’s expense then what is your objection?
I mean, PAD was mocking Hinkley, wasn’t he? If he was mocking Reagan for being shot I could see a reason for someone to be upset (though I’d still defend the joke, if it were funny). But that’s not the case.
Duck Soup: It’s a brilliant exposure of the idiocy of world politics and militarism, and has nothing to say, good or bad, about Nazis.
Well, yeah, that’s why I said it was a funny movie about war.
Apparently you are upset that Bill Mulligan has not used your postings as his style sheet, because there is no difference in the substance of your two opinions of Mr. Craig, despite your objections that somehow you are right to say “A” while he is wrong to do the same.
Well, at least I never have to worry about being on the same page as Mike, since, even if I am, he will insist that I’m not. Which is a relief.
there’s nothing funny about, say, a maniac abducting that man and drilling his eyes out
Is it ok if he’s a zombie? Because if not you are going to think a lot less of me when you order THE FOREVER DEAD (now available on Amazon.com!) (Makes a great belated Christmas gift!) (only 266 shopping days until NEXT Christmas! Why wait?)
My response to you insisting Larry Craig is contrite about being gay
Liar. Liiiiiar. You’re lying, Mike.
Of course, I never said he was contrite about being gay. I don’t think he IS contrite about being gay. Ergo my lack of saying that he is contrite about being gay, that is, you see.
I don’t think Craig even thinks that he is gay, that’s how deep his denial is.
How can hypocrisy be the “worst possible [reason]” and be irrelevant to the severity of a transgression at the same time. Do you require instruction on use of the word “worst?”
Sorry, once again, you lie. I never said that hypocrisy is actually the worst possible reason. YOU claim that your many many many disagreements with people here are because of your brave stand against hypocrisy. I don’t think that’s the real reason. Neither, so far as I can tell, does anyone else.
As to why you really do what you do…that would require getting to know you better, which does not interest me in the slightest.
Now I must go–a Merry Christmas to all, even Mike Leung! I have to start brining the turkey for tomorrow’s dinner, after our traditional Opening of the Presents, Calling of the Relatives, and Catching the Matinee of Alien Vs Predator.
Hm. I’d say to certain folks here…leave the humor to the professionals.
And, by the way…Songheim’s ASSASINS.
Any later in your company, and they’d have to keep syringes of insulin handy.
You are so Weak™ you have to portray as a Lie™ a plausible inference from your insistence Larry Craig is not a hypocrite and from your insistence Larry Craig is disgusted at his own homosexuality. And still you have no plausible explanation how Larry Craig’s holding others to a standard he refuses to be held by doesn’t qualify as hypocrisy.
You should scurry away, and call “liar” behind you. Having no spine, scurrying is your only means of avoiding a question.
You are so Weak™ you have to portray as a Lie™ a plausible inference “worst possible reasons” refers to hypocrisy when it’s Larry Craig’s hypocrisy you are denying. Scurry, Bill Mulligan, scurry.
I like pie.
But not the kind with fruit.
Roger Tang: You would be more convincing if you spelled either the composer or his show correctly. Stephen Sondheim’s Assassins takes its subject matter from political terrorists, of course, but I wouldn’t call it an attempt at humor.
Bill Mulligan: The distinction I see between material such as “The Producers” and PAD’s quip about Hinckley is that “The Producers” had the clear intention of showing the stupidity of Nazism, while PAD’s joke only used Hinckley as a convenient punchline to “Ooooh, Lesbians!! Hot!” It’s fine to laugh at Hitler’s expense, but crass to use him as nothing but a wacky guy. Similarly, Hinckley’s crimes put him well beyond being a kooky celebrity.
I can’t regulate what you find funny. Neither can you make me find humor in trivializing evil.
I know I’m the stupid one for entering this conversation, but I can’t help it.
“while PAD’s joke only used Hinckley as a convenient punchline to “Ooooh, Lesbians!! Hot!””
That’s not even remotely PAD’s joke. There is nothing in what PAD wrote that implied anything hot about lesbians. It very clearly said that Hinckley’s actions were even dumber than they appeared because they were so futile.
Jeffrey, you want to pick a fight with PAD. We get it. But please, for the sake of better entertainment, wait until you actually disagree with him. Don’t just make something up.
Sorry mike, those of us with family and lives have more things to do than help you work out your psychosis. We’re just not that into you. You, on the other hand, approach these little tete-e-tetes as though they are the single most important things in your life, which, for all we know, they are.
Plausable inference=lies in Mikespeak. we know, Mike, we know. Keep dancing. And please–think about it. and for gosh sake have a Merry christmas!
Jeffrey, I have to say, Jason makes a good point. This is really looking like just an attempt to goad PAD into a fight.
And when you’re the guy who wrote Did Lauren Bessette deserve anything less than the average person because her sister’s husband’s father is immensely beloved for losing a big piece of his head? and thought a Chappaquidick (sp?) joke was funny it makes it look like you picked a poor issue to fight him on.
I would.
Black, black humor of the most amusing type. The show wouldn’t work without the hunor.
Though, unfortunately, I’ve seen some attempts….
And really, now….spelling flames? Tsk, tsk….
Jeffrey tries to pick fights with me the way others pick their noses. But it snot going to happen.
PAD
PAD’s wit in the last post is below his general standards. He should have outgrown snot jokes around 1965.
Jason M. Bryant believes there was some deeper import to the initial post beyond “Oooh, lesbians!! Hot!” but no such thing is apparent. This string began because PAD felt like mentioning that it looks like Jodie Foster has almost admitted her lesbianism. Then he closed out by joking about Hinckley’s disappointment that he isn’t going to get any of that sweet stuff. What is this beyond two very base statements? 1. Oooh, she’s a LESBIAN!! My God! That’s hot!! and 2. Let’s kid around about the unwelcome sexual advances of an attempted presidential assassin on a female who was barely 18 at the time. That’s really cool. Let’s not make anything of the fact that he blew a hole in Jim Brady’s head. We’re being FUNNY here! Many here disagree with my feeling that there are subjects that are inappropriate fodder for humor. If they are right, PAD still failed to write anything funny this time.
Roger Tang – It may be petty, but your appearance of erudition disappears when you misspell both “Sondheim” and “Assassins” while citing them. A reader might misconstrue that you don’t know anything about either.
The Theory:
“Jeffrey tries to pick fights with me the way others pick their noses. But it snot going to happen.”
The Proof of the Theory’s Veracity:
“PAD’s wit in the last post is below his general standards. He should have outgrown snot jokes around 1965.”
Whatever, Jeffy….
Anywho… I just swung in to say Merry Christmas to everyone here. Hope the Holiday is treating you well and you’re enjoying the day with your friends and family.
Cheers.
Jerry Chandler: If you like snot jokes, that’s your own affair. I’m about three years younger than PAD and I thought I gave up on them when I was a kid. When it comes to what you find funny, I can’t dis-sputum.
Jeff,
What Bill, PAD, Jerry, etc are too nice to say is that you are a waste of breath, a waste of life, and a waste of time. DIAF already
Bladestar, let me ask you a few serious questions.
1. Why do you think I care what you want?
2. Have you ever gotten good results from telling someone he’s a waste of life?
3. Has anyone ever not threatened to kick your ášš when you told him to die in a fire? (yes, I had to look that up – I’m old and generally uninterested in current acronyms.) Ask someone you trust how enthusiastic they are about being incinerated.
Of course, you are mistaken in your premise that the people you name have refrained from telling me they didn’t welcome my posts.
…and a Merry Christmas to you too, Bladestar.
Bill, I don’t see how the above doesn’t provide an explicit demonstration how you have a severe detachment from reality. To you, anyone who presumed any commitment to reason on your part was subject to you calling them a liar, because your unfaithfullness to reason allows you to deny any inference of what you are saying, regardless of its plausibility.
Forcing everyone to guess what the point is you claim to have made but refuse to repeat demonstrates there is no defense against your sociopathic chicken-šhìŧ.
Bill, since you keep inviting me to navel-gaze: eliminating all the fabricated quotes and fabricated agendas attributed to me, there isn’t anything in Peter’s archive that demonstrates much about me except my sincerity, and a lack of fidelity to a community not much more complex than a dog-pack. That isn’t true for you. If your character ever becomes relevant to a judge or jury, most of what I simply observe of your behavior is relevant. Your denials of my observations depend almost entirely on their arbitrariness — which aren’t valid to the standards of debating as it’s known to western civilization. This post seems to provide the severest example of your sociopathic detachment from reality. Ask Santa it never falls in the hands of those appointed to question the well-being of children under your professional authority.
Better yet:
Dude, you said he was contrite. Your sniveling is wrong at “hello.”
No. You’re wrong. As usual. Everyone else who has commented has understood this. The fact that your, as PAD put it, brick wall pathology prevents you from dealing with it is a problem you will have to work on, if you ever hope to matter as much to others as others obviously matter to you.
As for this community being a dogpack, it is doublessly comforting for you to pretend that this is true, since you have proven yourself to be so manifestly unable to achieve anything here other than become the resident fool. But nobody believes that. In your heart, I rather doubt you do either.
Perhaps, like Larry Craig, you dislike many aspects of yourself and put yourself into positions where you get punished for it–for Larry it’s mens room stalls, for you it’s here. The humiliation must serve some need. neither of you seems terribly contrite though; it’s been working for years. You could stop if you really wanted to. Think about it
Your laughable attacks amuse me. If my character ever does come into question I will be indeed fortunate to be able to point out that whatever else my deficiancies, at least I’m a decent enough person to aggravate Mike Leung. Of course, this puts me in excellent company; the list of people who have concluded that you are a nut, a flake, a troll, a liar, and a sorry excuse for a human being is long and ever-growing. Since you are quickly approaching the point in your life where the face you wear is the one you will be stuck with, one might be inclined to feel regret at a life spent to such a sad, small purpose.
I only wish you were an awful person of at least some real note, so that your contempt would be a small badge of honor. Not that one should judge themselves good by merely being opposed by those who are bad. You have to actually be a better person. In your case, that’s a bar too low to merit much value. At any rate, it’s fine with me if you wish to channel your pathology in my direction. Dealing with bullies is old hat to me and you can’t possibly hurt my feelings. You haven’t the wit.
As this thread has become yet another Mike Leung Meltdown you may have the last word–until the next thread you hijack with your nuttiness. (set your watches!)
I have gone through all of this string looking for the use of “contrite.” Mike claimed that Bill Mulligan said Larry Craig was contrite; I insisted that Bill Mulligan had not done anything of the kind; You repeated your claim a few more times; Bill Mulligan replied that he had never made such a claim; You repeated yourself several times; Bill Mulligan repeated that he had made no claim, and added that you were a liar and insane. Apparently when Mr. Mulligan calls Larry Craig a hypocritical self-loathing homosexual you somehow find the word “contrite” there – but it is not.
Bill, you are denying “feeling… sorrow and remorse for a [homosexuality]” is in any way a subset of “disgusted by their own [homosexuality].” You are demonstrating no denial is too outrageous for you to preserve your pretense of invulnerability.
Since you keep asking me to think about things, and since you’ve made our personal lives fair game: you’ve just demonstrated how you flushed away your first marriage. You said you have a child in her twenties, your ex is a doctor, and you’re at the end of your fifth decade, so either your love nurtured your partner to becoming a doctor or you became the one-stop-love-shop to someone not yet in the full blossom of her adulthood who had her pick of men. This is the fulfillment of a glorious trust most men would devote their lives to maintaining.
All you do is make it obvious that you put the pretense of invulnerability above such a divine trust. Your detachment from reality was probably more severe to your first wife and, going by the neediness you still demonstrate, you probably still consider her lack of fidelity to your pretense as some form of disloyalty.
We all love the life you threw away. It was wasted on you, and you still demonstrate the damage that prevented you from enjoying it.
Bill, the only confirmation you’ve received that you haven’t said Larry Craig was feeling remorse for being gay seems to be from Jeffrey, who shut down a thread this week, and who you asked for Christ’s sake what was wrong with him.
You heard it here folks: seeking discreet homosexual sex is a form of sadism. Whatever, hater.
Thanks for demonstrating you aren’t paying attention, Jeffrey.
Mike, Thanks for demonstrating you can’t tell the difference between your delusions and other people’s posts. Check up higher on the string and see who wrote about contrition and who did not. I don’t think Bill Mulligan would contradict me when I say I’m not a great devotee of his – but you’ve accused him of positions and statements completely divergent from what is the case. To help you out, contrition is sincere repentance for one’s actions. Because Larry Craig has never made any repentance, sincere or not, for his actions, Bill does not make the mistake of saying he has done so. Many of Bill’s comments give me the impression he gets along pretty well living in the real world and writing English as it is spoken on Earth (words conforming to their definitions and referring to actual events, rather than the babbling of misfiring synapses). The basis of your disagreement with him must lie elsewhere…
Thank you for not invalidating my last observation.
Your denial is explicit proof you are damaged goods, for as long as you continue to deny your obvious error. Unlike Micha, you’ve demonstrated that English is your first language, so I don’t see how your denial isn’t the kind of disconnect from reality I can club you with at every challenge to what I say you issue, going by your history here.
Thank you for not invalidating my last observation.
No, thank YOU for not invalidating our observations.
Your denial is explicit proof you are damaged goods
And thank you for providing all of us a great laugh this morning. Seriously, you should do stand up. I bet you’d be an instant hit.
Craig, your one other post to this thread was a question directed at Jeffrey. You’ve made no observation in this thread for anyone to confirm or deny.
So if this is some kind of admission you’re posting under multiple identities, my best guess is that Craig is the alter ego. As damaged as Jeffrey is, he still seems to be the smarter one. Craig takes things personally, but he has no true presence here for anyone to react to, forcing him to arbitrarily take stuff personally at any opportunity.
Mike: Craig J. Ries was not asking for confirmation or denial of anything. He was simply quoting an idiot whose identity slips your mind. If I must jog your memory, that fellow’s name was Mike, and he looks just like you.
I appreciate being called smarter than Mr. Ries, but the truth is that I know him slightly less than I do you, so I cannot judge that matter. Your validation means exceeding little.
Your denial of that which is easily observable demonstrates you shelter a detachment from reality that disqualifies you from evaluating anyone.
Craig’s the one showing gratitude to me for the challenges I abstain from issuing. Your criticism suggests no course of action, and is therefore not my problem.
Mike, I’m pretty sure you don’t really want me to suggest a course of action, but here goes.
Take that Thorazine ([tm] – this is one of those times [tm] is appropriate) the nice doctors are giving you. It will make you feel much, much better. You’ll be able to tell whether it’s you, Craig J. Ries or the demons in your air vents talking.
Stop blaming others for your detachment from reality, Jeffrey.
You’ve made no observation in this thread for anyone to confirm or deny.
We’ve made plenty of observations of you in plenty of threads.
Go ahead, I’ll give you time to go look them up.
So if this is some kind of admission you’re posting under multiple identities
Far from it. The fact that you believe this is the case shows how far off your rocker you truly are… and you’re getting further from established reality with each passing day.
But, in the spirit of assuming admissions from others, I’m taking this as an admission on your part that you’re in need of a psychiatric evaluation.
Seek help, Mike. And, no, I’m not joking in the least; you really freaking need help.
I don’t take orders from you.
If you don’t know what you have against me, how is your hallucination you have something against me my problem?
If you can’t be taken at your word, what business do you have challenging anything anyone says?
I’ll admit it: I kind of like it when Mike posts here – Whatever position he takes, I give the other side some more thought, and I just feel such total clarity (and no contrition at all).
I’m glad I’m not loony.