Okay, so now I *am* going to United Fan Con. Apparently their money situation has sorted itself out (the fact that Aaron Douglas dropped out probably freed up some funds, I’d think) and I was reinvited.
Honestly, I toyed with the idea of saying forget it, but that didn’t seem fair to all the fans who’d written me expressing dismay over my not being there, especially since they’d purchased nonrefundable tickets.
So I’ll be there.
PAD
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I’m starting to appreciate our regular trolls.
You know what? This guy is a waste of bandwith.
There are people who show up here who are wrongheaded in my opinion, but at least endeavor to comment on broader matters. But I’ve decided that life is simply too short to accommodate someone who shows up here for one reason and one reason only: To hurl insults. It’s pointless. It’s one thing to give free license, as I do, for people to disagree with me about all manner of things. It’s quite another to provide a forum for someone whose only agenda is to spew hatred while hiding behind the names of do-gooders.
I’ve asked Glenn to disemvowel him.
Bye bye, troll boy.
PAD
k. by-by lsrs.
Jerry wrote: Anybody else for Glenn just going straight to Disemvowelling Amateur Troll Contestant #361 other then me? He serves no function and he’s not even any fun debating.
I second the motion. How can one debate with someone who can’t even pick one name and stick with it? Say something interesting or (with all due respect) buzz off.
wtf? hmmmmmm. fk ptr dvd.
H*y, th*s c*n b* k*nd *f f*n.
F*ck Y**, P*t*r D*v*d!!!!
As if any more proof of the suspected age/maturity level of the troll in question was needed…
I am new at this so please forgive me I am not as knowledgable as everyone else. I just read the transcripts from a 1993(?)StarTrek.com interview. In it you stated that you were contracted for 3 more “New Frontier” books. Is that still the case and if so, when will they be released? I have the first trilogy on hardback and I am hooked. I won’t even pick up a StarTrek book unless it has your name on it because of your stellar writing style. Also, where and when is United Fan Con:The Return. I am willing to travel from DC just to see you AND to have you autograph my books. Finally, I am going to Las Vegas next spring to see StarTrek:The Experience. Have you or will you ever be visiting that venue?
Peter David: “It’s one thing to give free license, as I do, for people to disagree with me about all manner of things. It’s quite another to provide a forum for someone whose only agenda is to spew hatred while hiding behind the names of do-gooders.”
I was SO hoping you’d bring the hammer down this quickly. Your commitment to free speech is admirable, and has inspired me to make a similar commitment. But this individual isn’t interested in free speech any more than a crank caller is. He’s just harassing you and everyone else here. He needed being smacked down, and smack him down you did.
Back to the topic, I concur with those who have lauded your decision to take the high road. Had you chosen not to accept UFC’s re-invitation, it would’ve hurt those who had bought tickets hoping to see you — but that would NOT have been your fault. Nevertheless, you put the fans’ interests front and center. That… is class.
For those attending UFC to see PAD, I’m glad for this development. And for the UFC folks…assuming their re-invite came with the appropriate sincere apology, I think this reflects well on them. It’d be nice if they made some sort of public…and non-spinny…statement of mea culpa over the whole thing, but I guess you can’t have everything.
The only thing wrong with PAD saying yes to coming to UFC after all is that now I have to decide what I want to bring to have signed.
I’ve got 4 comic boxes full of goodies, plus one shelf of my book case dedicated to his prose.
Decisions, Decisions….
But at least they are good decisions!
*h, F*CK_TH*_L*T_*F_Y**!!!!!
This “David Peters” reminds me of Harlan Ellison’s wonderful and scary article “Xenogenesis” where he observed that some trolls (or whatever they were called back before the Internet was around) would often use “clever” names (in his case, “Helen Arlisson”) while attacking their subject. I suppose evolution isn’t consistent among all.
As for PAD’s going to UFC, let’s just say I hope everything works out for the best for both PAD and the fans, but after the last notes on how they’d treated PAD I’m not betting money everything will work out perfectly. We shall see.
This is the funniest troll ever. How long do you think we can keep him posting before he gives up in tears of frustration?
(Now was that a deliberate attempt to get you to keep on wasting your valueless time, dweeby one? Or not? How can you be sure? Dance, trollboy, dance! You exist for our amusement!)
“… Harlan Ellison’s wonderful and scary article “Xenogenesis”…”
Yeah, but at least trolls can’t do some of the stuff he described through a computer screen.
The story about the cup (I’m saying no more in order to not give any trolls any con ideas) made me sick when I read it to think that some “fans” out there acted like that.
Bill Mulligan: “Dance, trollboy, dance! You exist for our amusement!”
Priceless. Truly priceless.
(Mulligan, please e-mail me. I owe you a heaping big apology about something!!!)
Myers-
What did I tell you about making sports bets with Mulligan? *grin*
Kath
M*ll*G*N_&_MY*RS_–Y**_S*CK!!!
H*RL*N_*LL*S*N_R*L*S!!! F*CK_Y**!!!!
Fetish? Yeah, I had a fetish once. Cortisone Cream took care of it. Perhaps it also works on warty Trolls?
To our troll from the Washington DC area using Verizon: consider this your first warning.
Second time, I remove the consonants. Don’t find out what I do for a third offense.
How could someone even commit a third offense with no vowels and no consonants?
$#17
is the closest I can get to a swear without vowels and consonants. I can’t wait so see what our troll comes up with.
And the third offense punishment? I’m imagining a lighting bolt going through the internet and frying his computer. Nobody correct me if I’m wrong, I’m enjoying that image too much. 🙂
Y**_C*NN*T_K*LL_M*
David Peters: “M*ll*G*N_&_MY*RS_–Y**_S*CK!!!”
I’m sorry, I’m having trouble hearing you. It’s as though you’re missing all of your vowels or something.
Yes, yes, I know — feeding the troll is bad. Bad, bad, bad. But, y’know, I’m not made of stone, and this guy is PRICELESS!
Sorry, new to this venue–long time Peter David fan, first time poster.
What’s a troll? I’m about a computer literate as a Jethro Bodine.
DT
A troll is someone in an internet conversation who isn’t trying to contribute to the conversation, he’s just trying to cause trouble. Sometimes they just start lots of arguments, but this one has decided to spew profanity until he gets completely banned.
Actually, I’m also wondering-is United Fan Con such a big deal? I mean, its on the same weekend as World Fantasy Con, isn’t it? I’ve heard of Boskone, and Windycon, and of course World Con…I’ve not heard of United Fan Con
Pardon my ignorance, but is it really that big a deal? Sorry-the last convention I went to was Magicon back in the ‘dark ages’ . I was in Orlando at the tail end of a business trip, so I stayed a couple of extra days.
How big is United Fan Con?
Aw, man…I missed the disemvowelling! ***Rats***
What startled me, though, was to see a poster named “David Peters”…because I happen to know a wonderful, erudite, funny, exceptionally talented singer/songwriter/musician/sound engineer named David Peters, and I know he’d never be a troll. For Trollboy’s stealing of my friend’s name, I applaud the disemvowelling! (Also for the rest, but that one really irked me.)
Goodness, he must have really gotten under your collective skins for a response like that! But the parody is obvious, isn’t it? Peter David to David Peters.
His tone and ranting does somewhat remind me of Harlan Ellison in his early days. The forewards in some of his anthologies were almost as scathing as this guy’s rants.
DT
“Actually, I’m also wondering-is United Fan Con such a big deal?”
As PAD said in the initial post, the fans are the big deal. Some people bought their tickets partly because PAD was going to be one of the guests. Even if there is other stuff worth seeing there, they expected to see PAD, so he doesn’t want to disappoint the fans who bought nonrefundable tickets.
M*ll*G*N_&_MY*RS_–Y**_S*CK!!!”
What about my sock? Are you the one who keeps taking one of them? What kind of sick sock stealing freak are you???
Dan–please, I beg you, don’t compare this chucklehead to the great Harlan Ellison! Ellison under anesthetics would still be wittier than this guy. Hëll, Bill Myers’ cat gets off better lines.
No, no, no, Mulligan, that wasn’t about your sock. He was trying to make up with you and Myers by bringing Asian actress Yau Suck Ching (an AKA for Chingmy Yau) and her film 666 Devil Reincarnates (The literal translation of 666 mo gui fu huo and also known as Satan Returns in thye U.S.) to your attention.
Not a bad little Hong Kong film. Think Se7en with demonic undertones and kung-fu. Not for everyone, but it was nice of him to try and share.
The disemvowelled one wrote: H*RL*N_*LL*S*N_R*L*S!!!
Which, if I am filling in the *s correctly reads, “Harlan Ellison Rules.” If so, it’s the first sensible thing he’s said! Ye Gods, does this mean he has a redeeming quality?
Bill Mulligan wrote: Ellison under anesthetics would still be wittier than this guy
Agreed. He might even do better while unconscious!
“As PAD said in the initial post, the fans are the big deal. Some people bought their tickets partly because PAD was going to be one of the guests. Even if there is other stuff worth seeing there, they expected to see PAD, so he doesn’t want to disappoint the fans who bought nonrefundable tickets.”
I think you may have misunderstood the tone of my question. I did not mean to imply that the fans were not important.
I was just wondering if United Fan Con is that big a convention. I’m sure there are Aaron Douglas fans out there who are now just as pìššëd øff as Peter David fans were that *their* guy is not showing up at the convention. I mean, they bought non-refundable tickets too!
My question was not one of “is this such a big deal that Peter David *needs* to make such a big deal about it by posting it as a blog topic?”
I’ve been told that people get cut all the time from talk shows–segments run long, and Mr.X doesn’t get to come on to talk up his new movie.
If Peter David was so concerned about disappointing the fans, couldn’t he have just as easliy simply gone to the convention as a paying member?
If United Fan Con was so strapped for cash that they could not afford Peter David and Aaron Douglas both, couldn’t Mr. David have said that he’d come anyway, just so that he would not disappoint his fans?
Let me give you an example from my personal life:
I’m on the board of directors of a resort. We have campsites, etc. and we promote ourselves as being a ‘year-round’ resort. Things have been a little tight lately, and it looks like we are going to have to shut down for 2-3 weeks in the Winter in order to save on heating costs. Yet, we have members that have bought year-round memberships, even lifetime memberships, that expect the resort to be open every weekend in the Winter…what do we do? Please our members and stay open, or go into the red to where we can’t pay our bills? In our case, we’re closing down–its the lesser of two evils.
The bottom line is just that—the bottom line. Are the venues going to be able to afford the talent? Would you rather have United Fan Con go in the red just to please the fans this year, then decide that can’t afford to put on a Convention in 2008?
Its nothing personal…its just business.
I think Peter David may, to a certain extent, be posting this incident on his blog in order to gain sympathy from his fan base…at least that’s what it looks like from an outsider’s perspective.
I don’t mean to disagree with you all, and I hope this isn’t sounding ‘trollish’ (still not really sure what that is), but there truly is another side to the story other than simply a celebrity getting dissed.
DT
I liked her better in Kung Fu Cult Master and Raped by an Angel 4: Ðámņ, That’s an Awfully Large Number of Times to be Raped by an Angel
“I liked her better in Kung Fu Cult Master… “
Do you think it at all scares some people here two people can know that much twisted film trivia?
Oh, and I still think her best work was all those years ago now in Naked Killer and City Hunter (the silliest movie Jackie Chan ever did).
oops, sorry. I got a little ahead of myself in my typing. The part where I said “My question was not one of “is this such a big deal that Peter David *needs* to make such a big deal about it by posting it as a blog topic?”
Should have read “My question was one of “is this such a big deal…etc…”
Still getting the hang of this.
DT
“Oh, and I still think her best work was all those years ago now in Naked Killer and City Hunter (the silliest movie Jackie Chan ever did).”
City Hunter was just a plain stupid movie. It had nothing in common with the Manga or the Anime…they simply picked Jackie Chan to play Ryo Saeba cuz’ he’s an International draw.
Take it from me, the manga and the Anime are way, way more entertaining, especially in the original Japanese (I’m fluent in Japanese and City Hunter is my all time favorite Anime)
I’ve read the manga and seen the Anime & know that they’re better. But I still liked the silly nature of the film. Plus I’m a Chan fanatic. That helps.
Dan Taylor—
All your points were discussed quite thoroughly on a previous thread.
http://peterdavid.malibulist.com/archives/005744.html
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As to the TRLL, were it my site, it wouldn’t get a third chance. I’d just contact Verizon and have its account deleted.
It’s okay to go to a blog and express its disdain to the host if it does it in at least a semi-polite way. Then go away. Continued TRLLNG is stalking and can get it jail time.
DT wrote: I think Peter David may, to a certain extent, be posting this incident on his blog in order to gain sympathy from his fan base…at least that’s what it looks like from an outsider’s perspective.
::tilts her head ever so slightly:: Perhaps, from a complete outsider’s perspective…and stretching it… Maybe.
However, let me suggest another perspective. Say, for example, I was on the fence about going to that Con. It’s a distance away so I’d have to pay for travel, a hotel room, and the entrance fee. Let’s also say that knowing PAD would be there was just the nudge to get me to go through the time and expense of going.
Given the afformentioned time and expense, I would want to know if there was a change ahead of time. I’d also want to know (in general) why; and if it was the Con who cancels, they’d better have a good reason and return policy.
Frankly, depending on the other guests, I might even consider just eating the cost of the entrance fee, and save the money I would have spent on the hotel and travel.
Do you see what I mean, DT?
Hey Guys…
Honestly, it’s good to see that the UFC grew a pair and extended the proverbial laurel to PAD. But as a matter of principle, I still wouldn’t send any more buisness their way just for the poor handling of a respected author’s INVITATION to appear at their con.
Still, I don’t think anyone really believes they “deleted ” Aaron to make room for Peter. As a matter of record, the BSG schedules have made it quite an adventure booking any guests from that extremely popular show. (Mary McDonnell from a couple Farpoint’s ago, for example.) I just hope James Callis doesn’t get the call from Vancouver before Farpoint ’08 happens.
And finally, we really shouldn’t deride the troll Dave Peters… pity the poor soul who is grey-matter challenged.
]:-)
That’s just an opinion, of course.
Bob Ahrens
Dan Taylor: Sorry, new to this venue–long time Peter David fan, first time poster. What’s a troll? I’m about a computer literate as a Jethro Bodine.
Luigi Novi: Dan, two very important websites that you should check out are dictionary.com and wikipedia.org. They’re a free online dictionary and encyclopedia, respectively. You’ll find all sorts of Internet lingo on the latter in particular.
Dan Taylor: But the parody is obvious, isn’t it? Peter David to David Peters.
Luigi Novi: “David Peters” was also a pseudonym under which Peter wrote some of his early work, such as his Photon novels.
Luigi Novi: “David Peters” was also a pseudonym under which Peter wrote some of his early work, such as his Photon novels.
I still think In Search of Mom is greatly underrated in geek circles.
The Photon novels were great. I still remember reading the first line of the second book, “A hush fell over the crowd.” It was memorable because the next paragraph explained that a hush was an alien that looked a lot like a bear rug, and this one was particularly drunk. Ðámņ funny opening.
I don’t see how this thread doesn’t demonstrate I won the NABJ/Imus debate.
Hi Alan,
I did go over to the link you posted on the previous discussion of this topic…boy, what a discussion!
I guess my next question is this: if there was that much vemon spewed on both sides of the issue in the previous thread, why did Mr. David accept when he was re-invited?
I mean that in all honesty and sincerity.
I mean, such name calling and bad feeling on both sides! Both sides trying to convince the other that their side is right.
Why go thru that again? I’m sure the fans, after reading that, would have understood if PAD turned down the re-invitation.
And to Christine,
I see your point, but as the old saying goes ‘one monkey don’t stop no show.’ If he does, its a really bad show to begin with.
It seems like the main issue here is the non-refundability of the tickets. I do have some experience here as well, having worked as an airline reservationist in my younger days. I would frequently get people on the phone who would want to change their tickets, and I’d have to remind them that they bought a non-refundable, non-changable ticket. They’d scream and yell at me, swearing up and down that they would ‘never fly your airline again.’ Secretly, I used to say under my breath ‘yeah, at least not until our next airfare sale.’
I hear the talk of the talk, but I don’t see the walk of the walk. Even in your language, Christine, I hear you saying ‘I might even consider…’ instead of a ‘I definitely would not.’
I think you guys need to boycott UFC altogether…PAD ought to refuse to do another one and his fans ought to refuse to go to another one.
Oh, and BTW, the decision we made to close the resort for the 3 weeks angered several of the lifetime members so much that they flat out refuse to use the restaurant facilites that the resort has, and cook their meals at their own campsites…walking the walk…
DT
Hi Alan,
I did go over to the link you posted on the previous discussion of this topic…boy, what a discussion!
I guess my next question is this: if there was that much vemon spewed on both sides of the issue in the previous thread, why did Mr. David accept when he was re-invited?
I mean that in all honesty and sincerity.
I mean, such name calling and bad feeling on both sides! Both sides trying to convince the other that their side is right.
Why go thru that again? I’m sure the fans, after reading that, would have understood if PAD turned down the re-invitation.
And to Christine,
I see your point, but as the old saying goes ‘one monkey don’t stop no show.’ If he does, its a really bad show to begin with.
It seems like the main issue here is the non-refundability of the tickets. I do have some experience here as well, having worked as an airline reservationist in my younger days. I would frequently get people on the phone who would want to change their tickets, and I’d have to remind them that they bought a non-refundable, non-changable ticket. They’d scream and yell at me, swearing up and down that they would ‘never fly your airline again.’ Secretly, I used to say under my breath ‘yeah, at least not until our next airfare sale.’
I hear the talk of the talk, but I don’t see the walk of the walk. Even in your language, Christine, I hear you saying ‘I might even consider…’ instead of a ‘I definitely would not.’
I think you guys need to boycott UFC altogether…PAD ought to refuse to do another one and his fans ought to refuse to go to another one.
Oh, and BTW, the decision we made to close the resort for the 3 weeks angered several of the lifetime members so much that they flat out refuse to use the restaurant facilites that the resort has, and cook their meals at their own campsites…walking the walk…
DT