…that key GOP figures will exploit the death of Ronald Reagan for all it’s worth in order to seal the election. I’m looking ahead to the GOP National convention and am suggesting the following odds:
A minute of silence will be called for: 1-1.
Chances that Bush will mention Reagan one minute into his speech: 5-1.
Two minutes into his speech: 3-2.
Three minutes into his speech: 3-1.
That a key speaker will exhort his comrades to win this election “for the Gipper”: 1-1.
That it will be stated Reagan would have approved of this country’s direction: 2-1.
That if Reagan were there, he would be urging you to vote for Bush: 1-1.
PAD
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Gotta love two empeached presidents turnout to be Dems.
I see you still haven’t learned how to spell “impeached,” huh?
BTW, Andrew Johnson, the only other president besides Clinton to be impeached, was a republican.
Jerome Maida posted:
“2.) AIDS was not taken seriously by many when it was first announced. It took Surgeon General C.Everett Koop – who ironically had been loved by conservatives and villified by liberals due to his strong pro-life – becoming a determined crusader for AIDS awareness and prevention that really brought the issue a matter of importance and urgency. Laying that load at Reagan’s feet is to be ignorant of the times and circumstances. Between Koop and then Magic Johnson’s revelation, Bush Senior did better and clinton obviously better still.”
Actually, we CAN lay the load at Reagan’s feet. Dr Koop was REAGAN’s surgeon general. Dr Koop found several of his recommendations overruled because of Reagan’s apathy to AIDS (at worst)or his being beholden to the Religious Right (at the very least). The Reagan Administration refused to allow taxpayer dollars to be spent on ads promoting safe(r) sex to gay men (the group most connected with the disease).
Well, luigi, now who’s now answering the question asked? I don’t give a dámņ how people used the word 150 years ago, I don’t live in 150 years ago, and neither do you. Nice to see you stoop the standard level of intellectual dishonesty….
Am I correct in assuming Scott is inferring that anyone who disagrees with Peter is an idiot?
Ok, what the heck is a casual idiot anyways?
LMAO!!!
Novafan
“You’re wondering why people hang around this forum if they really hate Mr. David and his views? Very simple. They’re secretly in love with him.”
This comment by Thomas disgusted me almost as much as Dee’s rants.
Good grief.
Novafan
Andrew Jackson was registered as a Democrat, but elected to the office of the Vice-President under Republican Abraham Lincoln. However, as I pointed out earlier, his views pretty well dovetailed with what the Republican Party claims to believe today – and that was what he was impeached over.
A casual idiot is one in a T-shirt and jeans, rather than a two-piece suit and a Presidential seal… 🙂
My word, certainly a spirited discussion.
The Insane Poster with Four Names reminds me of what Nimoy/Spock and DeLancie/Q said to each other in their brilliant live performance.
“You are… a fathead.”
“Fathead? …FATHEAD?!”
“You are… a lackwit, useless, brainless dunce.”
There is nothing more dangerous in this world than someone with a big mouth and no brain. Can those of us possessing full usage of our frontal lobes please leave the neanderthal to his incoherent grunting?
Sadly, it’s almost certain that both parties will try, either overtly or subtily, to use this period of mourning for their own ends. That’s life. Depressing, but it’s life.
Whether or not Reagan was a great man is debatable. But he was, indeed, a man, and a wise man once said that anyone’s death diminishes us. Let’s try to be respectful, if not for the sake of civility, than for the simple reason that a man is dead.
Bladestar:
“Well, luigi, now who’s now answering the question asked? I don’t give a dámņ how people used the word 150 years ago, I don’t live in 150 years ago, and neither do you. Nice to see you stoop the standard level of intellectual dishonesty….”
Pardon me for jumping into your conversation here.
I have to assume, Bladestar, that you and I must live in radically different parts of the world. See, in the area in which I live there is more use of the word Nìggër in it’s derogatory context than there are pot holes. Per minute. Incidentally, I don’t live 150 years ago either. Granted there may be some demographical factors involved that you don’t face on a daily basis, but what is more intelectually dishonest? considering the possibility that racism can be anywhere at any givien moment or viewing ones corner of the world as representative of the rest of the world?
I’m not taking shots at you, Bladestar. In fact I’m thinking tat you might live in a better place than I.
If you get a chance, visit West Michigan. The world capitol of stereo-types and scared little minds.
Salutations,
Mitch
“Actually, we CAN lay the load at Reagan’s feet. Dr Koop was REAGAN’s surgeon general. Dr Koop found several of his recommendations overruled because of Reagan’s apathy to AIDS (at worst)or his being beholden to the Religious Right (at the very least). The Reagan Administration refused to allow taxpayer dollars to be spent on ads promoting safe(r) sex to gay men (the group most connected with the disease).”
JosephW, some people might say that Reagan’s being beholden to his Religion was a good thing.
I find it hard to fathom that the man just died and here you are talking about his policies and laying blame already. Now it’s his fault for the Aids epidemic because he didn’t promote safe sex ads for gay men.
Grrrrrr!!!!!!
Mitch sez:
“If you get a chance,
visit West Michigan.
The world capitol of
stereo-types and
scared little minds.”
Randall sez: I’ve lived in Grand Rapids for
fifty-one years (except for a couple of nights
in Chicago IL and Madison WI) and the truth
of your statement fails to offend me.
By the way, my stereo types are Pioneer and
Sony and you misspelled a word: there are
two “R”s in “scarred”.
This thread is STILL going on?
Just goes to show proof to the old axiom, you get 100 people together to discuss anything (especially politics) and you’re going to get 100 different opinions.
Although in Dee/DD/PADs*cks/American’s case, the count is at 97.
But my opinion is the only one that counts, right?
From all the people that have posted here over the last few months I have 2 observations:
The republicans have “DEE” & the democrats have “BLADESTAR”. Just goes to show both parties have their cross to bare.
Both are angry, stupid idiots that are mad at the world. They have nothing but hate and contempt to those with differences of opinions.
You bìŧçh and complain from the anonimity of cyber space, but I would bet that if confronted face to face you 2 twits would chicken out like the pûššÿš I’m sure you are.
Piss on both of you fûçkš! Who needs you morons!
What happened to you fûçkërš ,your mom dropped you on your head when you were little. I swear the 2 of you are insane. The 2 of you put together wouln’t equal the IQ of a gnat. You 2 should get together. I bet you could tell some great sob stories about how tough your little live are.
Peter, I love your stuff. Looking forward to maddoX, & read fallen angel religiously. Don’t let what DEE told you get to you. Keep up the good work. I hope you still have at least 1 more Hulk story in you. I hate the Bruce Jones run (drags on too much & doesn’t seem to have a point)and would love if you went back to the title.
PAD fan
PS Bladestar, don’t get mad, these are just words after all, you piece of šhìŧ.
PPS same goes to you too, DEE!
But my opinion is the only one that counts, right?
Snort… exactly right Karen. exactly right.
Travis
I see no problem with the Republicans mentioning Reagan, nor perhaps having a moment of silence. That in itself is polite, etiquette and – indeed – might look strange if it didn’t happen.
Peter is, to my view, simply saying that Reagan’s legacy will be given several shiny, polished, edited and revised outings with their main aim to prop up the current (and deeply troubled) administration.
That in itself, is politics. It’s going to happen and, yes, if the situation was reversed and this was a Democratic convention taking place shortly after a Dem ex-President had died, I would expect the same thing.
But however likely, it’s still somewhat opportunistic whoever does it. Whether it be Dem or Repub, Conservative or Labour it does seem that no-one misses an opportunity to grab whatever is on hand as a crutch to back up whatever the policy of the week might be. How many times have the likes of Kennedy been quoted by ALL sides?
John M
Picking a new alias, eh Dee? I mean “PAD Fan”
Also PAD FAN, I notice you posted rather anonymously…
Wildcat: I don’t think the GOP will have the consent of Ron Jr., at least not if he still feels the same as he did in a Salon interview from 2003:
“The Bush people have no right to speak for my father
I’m surprised no one else has addressed the important question Breck raised quite a while earlier in this thread:
“Is there an odd better than 1-1, because that would be the chances that the NY Times would do just that.”
Yes, there are better odds than that. Odds of 1-1 are even odds, also referred to as a 50/50 proposition. Odds of 2-1 are better than odds of 1-1, odds of 100-1 are better yet. The highest odds possible would be 1-0, which would mean the chance of the thing happening would be a certainty.
Katheryn,
To paraphrase Dorothy Boyd (from “Jerry Maguire”):
“I am with you!”
Today I am making a point of buying not only the current issue of “Fallen Angel” but my comic dealer says he has the issues that I have missed.
Was probably going to eventually, but this has spurred me to action now.
And I just loaned a devout R.A. Salvatore fan one of my paperback copies of “Imzadi” to get her hooked on PAD.
Just doing what I can to show support:)
Has anyone noticed that Dee sounds exactly like Vic Chalker?
“It’s going to happen and, yes, if the situation was reversed and this was a Democratic convention taking place shortly after a Dem ex-President had died, I would expect the same thing.”
Not that I’m old enough to remember the event (I doubt my folks had the TV tuned to that channel anyway, not being overtly political, even in the ’60s), but as I recall, yes, that’s pretty much what happened after JFK died.
And nova, “1-1” means that in 1 trial, the event happened once – a 100% chance. A 50% chance would be 2-1 – that is, for every 2 trials, the event happened once. (Doubt me? Then find the notation in that system indicating a unitary probability.)
I should clarify – just because that’s what happened, didn’t make it right – IMO, LBJ was a crass opportunist, willing to sell out his party’s most revered member in a blatant attempt to hold power.
Seems a common theme among politicians from Texas…
Picking a new alias, eh Dee? I mean “PAD Fan”
Nah, too well written. Not enough misspellings.
Bill “CSI” Mulligan
SER: I will say this: Seeing Reagan’s speeches again made me realize how utterly… ordinary our current president is. Reagan had a very Washingtonian air to him. After the Challenger disaster, I was moved by his comments that “the future belongs not to the fainthearted but to the brave.”
Luigi Novi: Do you feel he wrote those words himself, or had them written for him by a speechwriter?>>
I know he didn’t write those words himself. Few presidents write their own speeches without assistance. However, Bush isn’t exactly performing improv. If I were one his speechwriters, I’d cringe every time he butchered my words. He lacks sincerity or at least to ability to appear sincere or inspirational. I honestly don’t get how Bush supporters can view him as inspiring. I’m not a Republican but I can easily see how conservatives would find Reagan inspiring.
As for Reagan being an accomlished actor… c’mon, did you *see* his movies? He’s not that great a performer. He, like Clinton, was just extremely good at retail and wholesale politics. The people who knew him on a personal level — both conservatives and leftists — contend that what you saw what was you got with Reagan.
“As for Reagan being an accomlished actor… c’mon, did you *see* his movies? He’s not that great a performer.”
I find it hard to rate actors of Reagan’s time with the standards of today–it’s an entirely different style. Bogart or Edward G Robinson would not make it in today’s climate. They played essentially the same characters with slight modifications, you never forget for a minute that you are watching Bogie. (And I loved Billy Crystal’s imitation of Robinson in The Ten Commandments: “Nyah! Where’s your Moses now, see? Nyah!”)
When Reagan ran for gov of California the democrats ran Bedtime For Bonzo as often as possible to make him look bad–another case where blind dislike for someone backfires since any idiot who watches the movie would know that it shows Reagan as a genial, kindly professor type, not exactly the worst traits that one could have as a leader. He played one role very well in a time when that was the way most actors were. Whether he was good enough to stretch beyond that when times changed is debatable: he was very effective as a cruel hit man in The Killers, though I suspect a lot of the strength of the role was in seeing a typecast “nice guy” actor play against type (Like Henry Fonda in Once Upon A Time In The West. Jesus! Cold blooded as all crap!).
Reagan was no Fonda but he wasn’t John Agar either.
Bill “President of the “Cattle Queen Of Montana” Fanclub” Mulligan
Randall sez: “I’ve lived in Grand Rapids for
fifty-one years (except for a couple of nights
in Chicago IL and Madison WI) and the truth
of your statement fails to offend me.
By the way, my stereo types are Pioneer and
Sony and you misspelled a word: there are
two “R”s in “scarred”.
First, Randall, I’m not suprised that I failed to offend since Grand Rapids and Muskegon are not all that far apart. I’ve been here for just 5 years and there are not many people I even want to talk with for just those reasons. Including reletives.
Yes, it would seem that mis-spelling has become of of my super powers. More proof that I shouldn’t type after my bed time.
My stereo type is restricted to Realistic (aka Radio Shack) circa 1989. Ouch.
Salutations,
Mitch
Randall sez: “I’ve lived in Grand Rapids for
fifty-one years (except for a couple of nights
in Chicago IL and Madison WI) and the truth
of your statement fails to offend me.
By the way, my stereo types are Pioneer and
Sony and you misspelled a word: there are
two “R”s in “scarred”.
First, Randall, I’m not suprised that I failed to offend since Grand Rapids and Muskegon are not all that far apart. I’ve been here for just 5 years and there are not many people I even want to talk with for just those reasons. Including reletives.
Yes, it would seem that mis-spelling has become of of my super powers. More proof that I shouldn’t type after my bed time.
My stereo type is restricted to Realistic (aka Radio Shack) circa 1989. Ouch.
Salutations,
Mitch
…And I’ve been bitted by the Doupble Posting Bug. Inbred cousing to the mosquito.
Ðámņ Me,
Mitch
A large group of costumed villains descend upon the city!
“It’s the Legion of Doom! Help us, Typo-Man!”
Typo-Man appears, and, with a wave of his fingers over a keyboard, the costumed villains suddenly transform –
– to a large group of leather-clad women wielding whips and gags!
“Typo-Man, are you sure we’d be safer from the Legion of Dom?”
Novafan, if you’re going to attempt to correct me or call me on my comments, then have the decency to use the CORRECT quotation. I did NOT say that Reagan was beholden to his “religion”; I said that he was beholden to “the Religious Right”. Get it straight. The two are NOT remotely synonymous.
As for it not somehow being “the right time” to discuss his policies, what the hëll do you think is being discussed in the news right now? I’m hearing little about Reagan other than what he did as President, and much of what’s being discussed is glossing over (at the very least) the full scope of his Presidency.
I’m not eulogizing the MAN. I’m not even discussing the MAN. I’m talking about the PRESIDENT. He wouldn’t be receiving all this attention had he not been President. His policies as President are fair game for discussion, no matter how much affection someone has for Reagan, the MAN.
Randall sez: “I’ve lived in Grand Rapids for
fifty-one years”
Mitch sez: “First, Randall, I’m not suprised that I failed to offend since Grand Rapids and Muskegon are not all that far apart…”
Wait a minute here…! Surely this cannot be accurate! Counting me in this mix, there are THREE people that live in West Michigan who read PADs stuff AND who may all subscribe to the label that starts with an “L”? (no, not “Legionnaire”)
🙂
Kurt
Mitch sez:
“If you get a chance,
visit West Michigan.
The world capitol of
stereo-types and
scared little minds.”
Randall sez: there are
two “R”s in “scarred”.
So if I have nothing but fear in me I’m SCARRED ? Considering that I work in Downtown Flint, MI and my job has consisted in interacting with people on a daily basis that fall into stereotypes I can see why people in Flint and the surrounding suburbs would have SCARED little minds because they are afraid of the boogie man, or being victimized.
Of course actually seeing that with an open mind you start to find the humor in Dee’s futile attempts to post coherent thoughts. Reminds me of Butters and his alter-ego on South Park.
What does one have to do with the other? Dubya cannot honor a great man because he himself isn
I missed where greatness was decided by Craig’s opinion.
Gee, can you give a list of those that you feel are great so we can see what your standards really are?
Ham: “I missed where greatness was decided by Craig’s opinion.”
um…that’s just it. he’s stating his opinion. in his opinion, GWB isn’t a great man.
people get too pìššëd øff too easily on forums when they disagree with somebody else’s opinion, because they automatically assume that person is making a blanket statement and speaking for everybody.
every post by every person shouldn’t need to be prefaced with “in my opinion…”. it should be implied.
of course…that’s just my opinion…
CJG
Just as a matter of record, the people for whom I’m reserving my sympathy are the family of Kate Worley who died this past weekend. Kate was an exceptionally talented writer who could handle a truly mature adults-only story (“Omaha, the Cat Dancer” with Reed Waller) as well as an all-ages, family-friendly story (Disney’s “Roger Rabbit” series) with equal love for the characters and a complete lack of condescendion for the readers. “Omaha” wasn’t just comic-book pørņ; anyone who was reading it just for the sex scenes would’ve grown incredibly bored–there were real characters with real emotions and real lives, for whom sex was just a part. The “Roger Rabbit” comic may have been viewed as kiddie fare to most comic book fans, but her stories had the same love seen in any of Carl Barks’ or Don Rosa’s Duck stories.
Sorry, but I’ll miss Kate Worley far more than Ronald Reagan.
I missed where greatness was decided by Craig’s opinion.
Well, let’s see what other opinions I can make that you will automatically assume as fact.
Bush is, I repeat, not a great man.
He doesn’t deserve to sit on Reagan’s shoulders, as it were, to boost himself and his agenda.
“I missed where greatness was decided by Craig’s opinion.”
I missed where “greatness” was anything *but* an opinion. Please post a precise definition of the term “greatness”, as well as the objective scientific criteria to be used in determining the presence or absence of this quality.
Bladestar: Well, luigi, now who’s now answering the question asked? I don’t give a dámņ how people used the word 150 years ago, I don’t live in 150 years ago, and neither do you. Nice to see you stoop the standard level of intellectual dishonesty….
Luigi Novi: Bladestar, I have no idea what you
Question for Glenn: Is there maybe some way that you can ban all posts which have been recieved from the back of 4th grade elementary school classrooms? Or posts that come in all caps, including the poster and poster’s e-dress?
That OTHER John Byrne
Brak,
4th grade? I was thinking more of pre school 🙂
Joe V.
My nephew happens to be a lefty jew. We found out he was a lefty quite young, when he first picked up his pacifier with his left hand. Later on, when he started using crayons, it was confirmed that he is a lefty jew. While most of us in the family are rightys, this little guy remains, despite our best efforts, a confirmed lefty and likely to remain so.
Dem’s da breaks.
David
So Dee is an “indie moderate voter” that can think for hirself, yet s/he spews all this crap about hating “dems” and “lefties”?
Dee is about as indie moderate as Bill O’Reilly.
Kurt: “Wait a minute here…! Surely this cannot be accurate! Counting me in this mix, there are THREE people that live in West Michigan who read PADs stuff AND who may all subscribe to the label that starts with an “L”? (no, not “Legionnaire”)
:-)”
If you mean ‘Liberal’ I don’t think that I’d qualify. I have some rather conservative ideas also and I think that the two just act just like matter/anti-matter anhiliation. At least in me. At that point I’m just left with deciding whether something is right or wrong based on it’s own merrits.
Come to think of it, I never did work well in groups 😉
Salutations,
Mitch
I agree the chances are very good we’ll see/hear everything PAD stated. But, and forgive me if this has been mentioned, were it Jimmy Carter that passed (though not as popular) I think the Democratic reaction would be very similar.
It’s called politics, and partisan politics at that…
Mitch,
i think we all have a little bit of liberal & conservatives on all of us. For example I label myself a conservative and align myself with the republican party. I am however extremely pro environment, anti guns & anti hunting, I’m for stem cell research, & even though i don’t believe in abortion, nor do I endorse it, i believe it should be legal (population control). I also trade the SUV for a small economical car.
So you see, we all have a little bit of both in all of us. My conservative side just outweighs the liberal side, though. I’m for smaller government, strong military, less taxes, shutting borders down, better police, & so on.
Joe V.
Joe V.,
There is NO threat of overpopulation. So to say that you support abortion as a “right” is one thing, but as a “means”, well, wouldn’t birth control (condoms, the Pill) be much better and safer anyway?
I mean, do you support forced abortions in China for what you seem to be claiming is a “greater good”, population control?
I worked with someone who says she had five abortions and five children. So despite her multiple abortions, she still had twice as many kids as the average American family.
The greatest threat is the aging of the populations across the world and the declining proportion of young people to support them.
Again, there is more than enough resources, and especially food, to sustain us, and there is A LOT of LAND left.
Malthus was proven to be full of šhìŧ.
Jerome,
I am against abortion, I would alway prefer people try other methods of birth control or even adoption, i don’t however believe abortion should be illegal. As it is, there are still hundred of people who discard new borns. 2 months ago, right here in south dakota a woman threw her newborn into a dumpster, in iowa, a mother buried her newborn in the cornfields. this happens in a country where abortion is legal. imagine if abortion became legal, how many more babies would be murdered. I have 2 children of my own & still cant comprehend how people would be able to abort a child. I loved my daughters from before they were born.
as far as having plenty of land, are you willing to cut down every tree to make housing. Look at what is happening in brazil with the amazon rain forest. You do know a rainforest, once destroyed, doesn’t come back. are we going to put more animals in the endagered & extinct list as we destroy their habitat. sacrifice more farmland to make way for more urbanizing & more roads. topple mountains, etc. are you aware as to how the population of this planet has more then doubled in the span of 200 years. there are more people living now then in any period of civilizations.
Joe V.
Joe, the devastation of almost 1% of the Brazilian rain forest is not occurring to make room for humans, no matter what you may have been told by Earth First! and similar misguided groups. Rather,local farmers are clearcutting because they want the range for their cattle.
To the best of my knowledge, neither animal nor plant species have gone extinct there. You can pretty well figure that anyplace humans have occupied for more than a few generations has reached a dynamic balance within its biosphere. When we do wipe a species out through our actions, it tends to happen a lot quicker (cf. dodos on Mauritania, moas in New Zealand).
Our planet can easily sustain a much larger population than we have now. Admittedly, it would require many of us to sacrifice our single-family dwellings on an acre or more of land… and we might have to get used to the idea of “food” formed from single-cell proteins… and we’d have to homogenize our cultures a lot more than we have…
Y’know, maybe the time really has come to start looking for real estate offplanet.