…that key GOP figures will exploit the death of Ronald Reagan for all it’s worth in order to seal the election. I’m looking ahead to the GOP National convention and am suggesting the following odds:
A minute of silence will be called for: 1-1.
Chances that Bush will mention Reagan one minute into his speech: 5-1.
Two minutes into his speech: 3-2.
Three minutes into his speech: 3-1.
That a key speaker will exhort his comrades to win this election “for the Gipper”: 1-1.
That it will be stated Reagan would have approved of this country’s direction: 2-1.
That if Reagan were there, he would be urging you to vote for Bush: 1-1.
PAD
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At this point, I don’t have much love for either party, but I’m sure that Reagan’s name will pop in speeches after the “cease-fire” period is over. It could be looked at as “Bush Jr. talking about someone important to his family” or “Bush Jr. riding the wave of emotions after the death of Reagan.” It’ll all depend HOW he does it. Then again, others may do it for him. That way, if it comes across as crass, no one would be able to say that Bush said it himself. So I agree with the 1-1 odds on the key speaker thing. Mr David didn’t say one word against Reagan in the entire post.
BTW: When you spam under different names to make it appear as if a chorus of people are outraged, it’s usually considered “good form” to include more than one unique-yet-idiotic racial slur in each post. “I’m going to have to give that sad attempt at mass trolling a thumbs-down, Gene.”
For the Russian perspective on the Reagan presidency:
http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/368/13032_ReaganEmpire.html
And for the trolls & paranoids who see Reagan bashing where there is none, this is for you:
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=18874
PAD,
As someone who became a Republican because of Ronald Reagan and who listed him as my hero in my high school yearbook, let me just state for the record that I have seen nothing posted by you in regard to his passing that any reasonable person would find even borderline offensive.
And we may disagree a lot, PAD, but you certainly don’t deserve the garbage-strewn, hate spewing posts by DEE/DD/PADSUCKS/AMERICAN. Please realize that a.) they are likely ONE person and b.) any reasonable person on this blog finds his/her posts to be downright disgusting, no matter which side of the political aisle we fall on.
Dee,
you are obviously hate-filled and more than a little insane. Calling PAD anti-Semitic slurs is beyond over the line. Why don’t you just do what you keep threatening to do, and stop coming here. You can find someone or something else to vent your spleen on, and the rest of us will all be better off.
PAD
your most likely right about the odds and i found it a very amusing post.
As a person who has very mixed feelings on Reagan.. I admire some of the things he accomplished/helped in accomplishing… other things i find completely detestable… At the moment I choose to remember him as a person. Failiable as are all people, filled with both good and bad.
Dee…
Stop and think about what you are saying in all your posts… Now stop and think about everything you’ve ever read of PADs and how you apparently enjoyed it before you found out Peter’s political veiws. How do the two fit together? How can someone so filled with hate have actually enjoyed anything that PAD wrote? It makes no sense to me… Do you only watch movies crewed with Republicans or Rep. approved casts? Does your boycott of PAD also mean a boycott to posting here? Oh well… your boycott is your loss…
These are probably about the same odds as when Johnson campaigned after Kennedy’s assasination in ’63.
Regardless of party, when someone who is representative of the party possesses great charisma and a powerful “cult of personality” it’s impossible not to blur the lines between respect and reminiscence versus exploitation for gains.
Certainly an argument could be made that these moments of reflection should be done private, but I don’t think the public en masse would permit public figures this degree of privacy. Likely, if the GOP failed to publically display their grief or reminiscence or whatever, they would be criticized by their own party members as well as the opposition party.
Scavenger,
I know what Peter meant. But those are assumptions. I truly doubt GWB would do that. but what Peter meant, and how he wrote it makes it sound like a fact. That GWB will do that & i truly doubt that. But the problem lies now ,that many believe that GWB or the GOP shouldn’t even mention Reagan, & that is absurd. my whole point is “so what if he does.”
What, you dont think that if the former president had been able to vote, he wouldnt have voted for his vice president’s son.
Thor said:
“Could you plese not exhibit as much political negativeness during this period of mourning? I can only speak for myself, but I’m really not interested in reading — at least, not right now — all the political conniving that might accompany Reagan’s death, possible machinations on the part of the GOP and ways by which Reagan’s passing might get otherwise sullied by self-serving individuals.”
Anyone who wanted to mourn for Dutch Reagan should have done it ten years ago.
Speaking as one who got to watch the Alzheimer’s process close up, i can assure you that everything that made him what he was died a long time before his heart ceased to beat.
Mr. David, sir, may I respectfully ask what may be
a very stupid (though hopefully inoffensive) question?
My father was a bigot of the Archie Bunker type.
Once when we were playing Scrabble he told me I
couldn’t use the word “jew” because the game didn’t
allow “racial epithets”.
Um, a person who is Jewish is a Jew, right?
Yes, I know Dee and Double-D and all those other
people who identify themselves by their bra cup
size seem to have been using the word as an insult.
But is it that disparaging to call a Jew a jew?
Honestly, no disrespect meant, I’m actually
curious about this point. I used to think the
word “dÿkë” was politically incorrect but my
lesbian friends assure me that it isn’t.
(And speaking of being disrespectful, I found it
disconcerting to see a headline concerning the
late president’s death posted at the FARK site
next to the words “Yahoo! News”.)
Personally I was offended by the person who
threatened a boycott by, as he/she put it,
“the bulk – and I do mean bulk” of his Star Trek
fan friends. That’s another stereotype altogether.
Okay, I’m a Trekkie and I’m bulky. Get over it.
Jerome Maida:
“Daryl and Charlie Griefer,
PLEASE do not lump “righties” in with the insane rantings of DEE/DD/PADSUCKS/AMERICAN. “
I wasn’t lumping anybody in with anybody else. not sure what I said that made you think that (or if you are unintentionally attributing another post to me)…but as a rule I don’t generally generalize 🙂
As far as our trolls, yes, they’re the same person. in addition to the writing style (and content), all of the emails begin with ‘no’.
unfortunately, he/she is getting enough attention/responses to his/her posts that it’s making continued posts worthwhile. One of ’em was mine too…i should have known better.
Anyway, I do apologize if I inadvertently said anything that implied I was lumping you or anybody else in with the troll.
Charlie
Chances that Kerry will expoit Reagan’s death.
1-9
My question, if we can get past the comments of hatred by the one poster, don’t you think that Reagan would support Bush over Kerry? What reason do we have to believe otherwise? And with this line of reasoning why is it opportunistic to bring it up?
Randall wrote:
“Mr. David, sir, may I respectfully ask what may be a very stupid (though hopefully inoffensive) question?”
…and went on the question whether Dee’s use of the word “Jew” was offensive.
If he had said, “Mr. David, as a Jew, how do you feel about Zionism?” it wouldn’t be offensive.
However, using “Jew” as a pejorative is quite offensive. And, dude, I’m not even a Jew, myself. To wit, a “rich fûçkìņg Dem jew.”
Please. Peter David isn’t Stephen King; I doubt he’d qualify as “rich.” And the whole statement of Dee’s sounds like your typical skinhead/neo-Nazi crap. Evil rich Jews, running the country from their secret mountain headquarters in Hollywood, trying to deal beautiful Republican women and bring down the nation! Bwahahaah!
So, no. Calling Peter a Jew isn’t disrespectful. Calling Peter a “rich fûçkìņg Dem jew” is most assuredly disrespectful.
Hey Peter, those are MY lines!!! I used my old Strom’s Index column to steal that style from Harper’s Index, fair and square!
I bet no one remembers those columns. But I will always remember Peter David’s Hulk. I wish I could get the Countdown storyline in a trade paperback. (I guess I could google that, but I don’t ever remember seeing one.) And I liked the movie a lot.
Guess I should say something political. Dubya sucks.
Hey Peter, those are MY lines!!! I used my old Strom’s Index column to steal that style from Harper’s Index, fair and square!
I bet no one remembers those columns. But I will always remember Peter David’s Hulk. I wish I could get the Countdown storyline in a trade paperback. (I guess I could google that, but I don’t ever remember seeing one.) And I liked the movie a lot.
Guess I should say something political. Dubya sucks.
“Um, a person who is Jewish is a Jew, right?”
Ok, THIS brings back a memory.
My step-father was Jewish. When I was 14 he had made some off-hand remark about “Nìggërš.” Not one of the best things to do while I’m within ear shot, which I happened to be. I called him on it immediately. In a teenage fit of righteousness I asked, “How would you feel if people called you a Jew?” That’s when my mother explained to me how much pride the Jewish people have earned. It was a lesson well learned. To this day I don’t know why he used The Dreaded N-Word (I hate to euphemise like that because I don’t want to forget how wrong it is to use the word Nìggër as a weapon). He has since died and I doubt my mother remembers the context. What it taught me was that every group, every person has something that is a source of pride, something that allows them to stand tall.
At this point I’ve forgotten why I brought it up.
Ah, well… At least it wasn’t a long post.
Salutations,
Mitch
Karen: PAD made an observation. He did not tweak anyones noses. It really isn’t much of a partisan comment. He is talking directly about what he perceives to be the character of the man running for office. Not the whole republican party. Just commenting based on the past use of Roves PR machine.
So, commenting on how Republicans will “exploit the death of Ronald Reagan” isn’t considered partisan? You and I must be using different definitions. I’m not saying it’s particularly offensive, but it is partisan.
Back to my original point, what partisanship have you seen from the Republicans? So far there’s a lot of “Reagan won the Cold War, Reagan was an optimist, Reagan was polite to his political enemies”, etc. However, there hasn’t been any comment from the Republicans about the modern-day Democrats (at least not that I’ve run across). So, where’s the partisanship?
The problem with free speech, is that everyone is entitled to it. Even the ones you’re not sure you want to have that freedom.
The idiot above… wait a sec… don’t wanna name call. The obviously angry individual above, who has issues with descendants of Red Sea pedestrians, is one of those I’m not sure I want speaking out.
But then you realize, hey! All they want is attention.
Second Realization:
Could be worse. Could be Liddy.
Sorry… I swore I’d watch my language… don’t want to use the dreaded L-Word.
Anyway, besides all THAT…
I have nothing against Reagan. I disagreed with his policies, but nothing against the man. I truly find it hard to hate someone just because of their beliefs and/or bloodline.
My only gripe is that all this week I’ll be seeing “Remembering Reagan” specials. I spent the whole of the 90’s trying to forget 12 years of Reaganomics (or Voodoo Economics, a phrase coined by George Bush Sr). Now I gotta remember him! Sheesh.
To be on track, I have to agree with PAD. Certain members of the conservative leaning party will do their best to capitalize on his prominency (sp?) in the public’s mind.
But then again, I live in a city that has a Cowboy Heritage Museum. The second biggest statue? Ronald Reagan.
So I get it more than most, though not as much in Texas or Orange County.
Travis
(Rambling as ever)
Interesting that someone put that he became a Republican because of Ronald Reagan – I became a Democrat because of him….
Folks, you fell right into his(their?) hole.
What could have been an interesting blog of comments about the subject that Peter brought up, was hijacked by another one of those “brave” anonymous internet posters.
For the life of me, I don’t know why anyone would bother to type one letter, let alone one word in response to an obvious worthless diatribe.
When it comes to these “fearless” anonymous posters’
I do a simple thing.
Ignore them.
Honestly, why raise your blood pressure over some “courageous” anonymous poster?
The sad thing about Dee’s posts (apart from the hate-filled content) is that it fails to, well, argue. Intelligent people can disagree and argue, citing reasons for their position and genuinely disagreeing without being insulting to the other person. Dee seems happy to rail and yell not just PAD, but the whole “anti-american posters” here as well. I wonder when disagreement became anti-American. (And yes, Dee, the first “a” is capitalized.) Maybe when Ann Coulter decided anyone disagreeing with the right was committing “treason.”
I think PAD’s odds were a bit cynical, and also a bit realistic. I hope you (PAD) post the “results” of this betting.
Finally, let me say how weird it was to see Kathleen’s name at the top of the post and PAD at the end. Let the sex-change rumors begin! 🙂
Well, that was an interesting browse. I saw the Odds PAD posted, and thought, “well, it wasn’t the funnyist (sp?) thing he’s written but it was cute.” Then i look in here and find several people getting VERY offended. Why can’t people just sit back, park thier feelings/beliefs for a sec, and just laugh? The reason I’m thinking along these lines is I’ve been doing a personal experiment. I show people a passage from a Terry Pratchett / Niel Gaimen book I read and found hilarious, and yet three seperate people have all been offended by the passage. I found it hilarious. Perhaps one of you could explain it to me. Maybe it’s just because its out of context when they read it, or that they arn’t primed o laugh, etc. but anyway, here’s the passage:
“This proves two things:
Firstly, that God moves in extremely mysterious, not to say, circu
As suspected, PADsucks, Dee, DD, and American are all posting from the same IP address.
Clearly, he’s such a fan of Peter’s work that he’s trying to do an impression of Jamie Madrox.
Put me in the category of those who became a Republican because of his influence.
“This proves two things:
Firstly, that God moves in extremely mysterious, not to say, circu
Dave Strom: I recall the old Amazing Heroes indices, and to prove it, I’ll ask when Silver’s going to show up. 🙂
No Joe, if everyone were the same like you’d like, that would be really really f’in boring…
Secondly, if you can take an honest look at this country and not be angry, then there’s something wrong with you. Being passive and accepting the sham that is america is part of the problem. Everyone spouts “America rocks! It’s the greatest!” It may be the greatest, but that just show how bad the rest of the world is then.
Mike Weeber, amen. Alzheimer’s is something I wouldn’t wish even on GWB…
Randall, interesting story, but Jew meaning a person would be capitalized and not allowable in Scrabble, however, “jew” Verb – to bargain with, is acceptable. (versions of the Scrabble dictionary where they started removing words, like the F-word and the S-word, aren’t used around here, as we consider them garbage, there are no bad words, only people taking them the wrong way.)
Reagan was president at a time when he and his style was needed. He “died” when the Alzheimer’s started to take hold. At least his family can rest now, knowing that Ron has finally found peace.
I wonder why this couldn’t have easily been:
What do you think the odds are…
…that key DNC figures will exploit the death of Ronald Reagan for all it’s worth in order to steal the election. I’m looking ahead to the DNC convention and am suggesting the following odds:
You go Dee! Organise your fellow homeless to rush to the public libraries where they can post all the messages they want. The last laugh is this whole thing will have NO effect on PAD’s sales…
If any of these “boycotts” were ever actually carried through on, big business’ stranglehold on america would’ve been broken long ago. Pretending that you are going to boycott an author whose website you claim to hate yet keep returning to… I wish my time was as worthless as yours….
Dennis, because Ronnie was a republican who beat an ineffectual-looking Jimmy Carter and then when his two terms were up helped get another Republican elected, the democrats can’t really use Reagan to their advantage…
Jesse Jackson wants us to believe:
//I’m a conservative from Texas and I couldn’t agree with Peter more. The Republican Party should not be using RR’s death as a way to earn or sway votes. It’s demeaning to the man. I’ve read what Peter’s said and not one posting has been disrespectful towards the former President. Let’s see if the Conservatives on the net give President Clinton the same respect years from now when he passes. We respect the office if not the man.//
Yeah, sure… you’re a conservative from Texas? Okay, whatever… And yes, lets see what happens when someone like Clinton passes (which I hope isn’t soon). I know you want to think the worst of the Conservative acting like today’s classless hateful liberal left, but until that time actually comes, be a little more open minded instead of thinking the worst.
Anyway… While I don’t think PAD is taking a direct shot at Reagan here, he is definitely shooting off one of his usual low blows at the Republican Party and he’s using the death of Reagan as a means for such an attack. Typical and not surprising. Well, actually it is surprising since I thought he was sincere in his blog yesterday. Oh well…
Dee- you can count to 100?
What are the odds that a Republican will introduce legislation allowing for stem cell research so that other families won’t have to go through the hëll that Nancy Reagan went through?
Dee: I might believe you found 100 people for your boycott, except that you seem to be making up multiple names to post here, as noted earlier. Try again.
DEE says:
“THE PAD BOYCOTT IS ON. SO FAR I GOT OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE AND COUNTING BOYCOTTING PETER DAVID’S BOOKS, NOVELS & COMIC BOOKS. WILL I HAVE AN IMPACT? I THINK SO….”
OK but if you subtract all of the ones that are just voices in your head you’re back to one.
Randall, interesting story, but Jew meaning a person would be capitalized and not allowable in Scrabble, however, “jew” Verb – to bargain with, is acceptable
And, as a Jew, I find the verb quite offensive. Whenever anyone says “I jewed him down” I politely ask them not to say it again within my hearing because it is offensive. Usually this phrase is said innocently, without meaning to insult, but please think about it. It clearly has to do with Jews as being perceived as cheap and unwilling to pay a reasonable price. That is insulting. Being called a Jew, to me, is not, but my mother dislikes the term.
Bladestar,
We disagree on quite a bit, but I have to give you props for your shot at the hateful “boycotter” whose name I don’t even want to mention anymore.
You know, I may have to pick up a couple extra copies of “Fallen Angel” tomorrow just to prove a point….
Karen,
The “verb” IS offensive. I’ll never forget this “modern feminist” I worked with in sales who would go off on the slightest thing as being “sexual harassment” but saw nothing wrong with using the verb to describe “negotiating”.
Sigh.
What do you think the odds are …
… that Peter and other Democrats will use Reagan’s death to attack the Repubulican party with thinly veiled reverse psychology. You can say it wasn’t an attack till you’re horse, but it was an attack nonetheless.
I bet it doesn’t matter what President Bush says in his speech for Reagan’s funeral. You’ll turn whatever he says into your own political agenda. I guess that’s your perogative, but forgive me for mentioning that it really bothers me. I wish you could have waited a while before mentioning what you believe Bush will do to tarnish Reagan’s memory. But then again, how long would a while be.
I loved President Reagan and honored him in life and will honor him in death.
God bless Reagan and the United States.
Novafan
Bill Mulligan,
You have been at your wittiest in responding to the Insane Poster with Four Names.
You should be a writer:)
Thanks
James Lynch,
Please don’t use the ramblings of the Insane Poster with Four Names to take a cheap shot at Ann Coulter.
If you actually read the book I believe you are referring to, it is well-researched and her definition of “Treason” is far more complex than “those that disagree with me”.
While a bare-knuckled partisan, Coulter actually makes intelligent arguments, and I believe she would be as offended as the rest of us by the postings of the Insane Poster With Four Names.
Jerome,
Well, thanks, but really, I just like driving the trolls crazy.
In this case it’s a pretty short drive.
Jew, ņìggër, honky, etc. are only offensive if you are foolish enough to take offense to them. Stop giving other people so much control over you. They’re only words…
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More relevant to THIS point: What are the odds that legislation allowing stem cell research will be introduced so that other families won’t have to go through the hëll that Dee’s family must have gone through?
(And as for cloning – thank God the only way Dee can clone himself is with other Screen names)
Bladestar: Jew, ņìggër, honky, etc. are only offensive if you are foolish enough to take offense to them. Stop giving other people so much control over you. They’re only words…
Words wich incite people to violence. And I choose not to have to listen to them or use them. My right.
Ham,
Nice to see someone else was inspired by the Reagan Revolution as I was.
Is this your first time posting? Your name seems unfamiliar.
If so, welcome aboard:)
“Words which”
Sorry for the typo.
Ah yes, Nixton the democrat.
“living off the stupid americans who buy my products”
So, Dee is not American. Well, that explains the poor spelling and grammar. English is not his/her first language. I wonder where he/she is from.
Ray Cornwall,
Thanks for getting back to the original topic. I think it’s possible but unlikely a republican would introduce stem cell legislation this year. Very politically risky.
However, it is clear to me that Bush strugled with this decision when he made a while back. Which is why he compromised.
So, if Nancy and other Republicans can give him political cover..who knows? Something could happen, after all.
Am I reading that right? Is this Dee person so stupid as to be inferring that Nixon was a democrat or a hero to them?
Jerome, the original subject of this thread is not stem cell research, that is thread titled ‘Reagan’.
This is whether or not will use Reagan’s name and reputation to help him in the Presidential race, of which I say why shouldn’t he?