TEEN TITANS

Overall, I liked the debut of the new “Titans” series. Basically it’s aimed at 7 to 10 year olds, so older viewers tuning in expecting to see JLA are going to be disappointed…or, at the very least, will have to reorient their thinking.

The basic thrust of the series is surprisingly consistent to the mandates I was given when I did preliminary development work on the series many moons ago before it was handed off to others. The notion was that the kids bicker, have difficulties operating individually, but as a team they pull it all together and are unstoppable. That’s the pilot in a nutshell. Nor did they want to launch with an exposition-heavy origin episode.

Very, VERY heavy anime influence, right down to switching to super-deformed versions of the characters when they’re particularly petulant.

Overall a strong launch for the target audience.

PAD

56 comments on “TEEN TITANS

  1. I enjoyed it very much. I think it’ll be a good show to unwind with, when I’m not up to a major mental challenge and just want to enjoy something. (Sort of the same level I watch “PowerPuff Girls” on.)

    More to the point, I know I would’ve loved it as a kid. It’s full of energy, and the characterization is straightforward and easy to grasp. (Especially compared with the superhero show of my youth, “Super Friends”…)

  2. I have to ask, though, how many 7-10 year olds have a bedtime after 9pm? or 10pm on a Sunday night?

    For that matter, how many 7-10 year old know what super-deformed means?

    I was a bit disappointed. The fight scenes went a little long at the expense of charavterization. Sure, we all know who they are, but would someone coming in to the series cold?

  3. I’m not a kid, but still young enough to enjoy this show. I’m an anime fan, so seeing them accuaretly use Anime influences was nice.

    I was of course going in knowing the episodes where gonna be dummed down.

    I’m just glad they are exposing these characters to a new generation. …. In fact, I hadn’t even read a Titans issue until Geoff Johns relaunch started. (And boy, what a great issue) After the great run by Peter on Young Justice, I wanted to keep track of the old Young Justice, now Teen Titans, crew.

    A nice cute show. Not much to think about, but still visually a treat. Plus seeing great classic characters is fun too. Anyway, I’ve always felt the Justice Leage Cartoon took a signifigant nose dive in maturity from the stories in Superman and Batman cartoons. Not much bothered by it. Kids might see these show, and read the more mature comics – so thats good!

    Oh – and I want to make this BIG point: When I was a kid it always bugged the heck out of me that there was never an Origin story for my favorite shows. Stuff like Inspector Gaget – which really never had an origin, always bugged me. So don’t tell me kids don’t appreciate an origin episode!

  4. I didnt like how they got beaten….no, not just beaten, spanked twice. I also dont care for how Robin dissapeared 5 minutes into the episode, and reappeared at the end with no explanation at to where he was, and with all the answers. It seemed kind of sloppy to me, my little brother is 9 and loves justice league and any and all anime, and he seemed bored to tears.personaly to me it feels like Bruce Timm by producing it/putting his name on it is, in a way alienating his fans and followers by having anything to do with it, in that it seems to want nothing to do with his previous series by giving his fans false hope that it might.(You have to give a little to get a little.)….

    In short I think they should have gone with the the more classic cast of robin, wondergirl, speedy, aqualad, kid flash(or dare I say impulse), instead of the marv wolfman team, and I ask you all to please remember that it was the fans who kept the previous series on the air and in syndication(batman,the adventures of batman and robin, superman, batman beyond, justice leagure)please keep in mind this was just my opinion not yours so if you liked it good for you….(P.S. please forgive any spelling errors)

  5. Oh I just wanted to add that other shows on cartoon network (he-man, transformers, sameri jack, x-men evolution) all carry a semi serious tone, while showing a certain individuality to them selfs, and kids seem to eat it up. kids are alot different these days, and i dont think you have to dumb it down for them….

  6. “I have to ask, though, how many 7-10 year olds have a bedtime after 9pm? or 10pm on a Sunday night?”

    Not many, which si why CN runs the previous Saturday’s ep on the following Saturday morning.

  7. After I survived the opening song, which had me ready to rip my ears out, I enjoyed it.

    A few thoughts:

    1. If you’re gonna go with that team, I wish Wonder Chick was there as well. Speedy was in/out often enough that I won’t miss his presence as much.

    2. It was over-manga’d for my tastes, which run for the hills at the sight of anime. Still, I enjoyed it and the setup with Slade.

    3. The poster above is right. They went from being completely spanked twice to winning handily. While that worked in the 60’s, and I love those books for what they are, it doesn’t work as well today. We need a little more meat than that. It can be done and has been.

    4. I loved them going out for pizza in the costumes. Kinda made me think of Scooby Doo.

    A first episode that coulda been better but was far from poor.

  8. My daughter, Taylor-Ann (11), and I (39) watched the show and she loved it! She’s a big fan of all things Anime while I can take it or leave it. However when we saw the first shot of Titans Tower, Taylor said “I want one of those!” So I dug out my run of Wolfman/Perez issues of ‘New Teen Titans’ and I haven’t seen them or Taylor since!!

  9. I managed to get through about 20 min of it before turning it off. It obviously wasn’t being made for me!

    I recall with fondness how the Batman & Superman cartoons could be enjoyed by a cross-spectrum of audiences–kids liked the cartoon action, adults appreciated the storytelling and design. We weren’t getting that with this iteration of TT.

    Guess I’ll have to go and drag out my old Wolfman/Perez NTTs (if only I can get the horrible voices they used in the toon out of my head!)

  10. Posted by Michael Pullmann

    “I have to ask, though, how many 7-10 year olds have a bedtime after 9pm? or 10pm on a Sunday night?”

    Not many, which si why CN runs the previous Saturday’s ep on the following Saturday morning.

    <<<<<

    Not according to my cable guide, Mike. The rerun was at 10PM the next day. Which was when I watched it.

    –Ed

  11. Posted by Rob Thornton :

    After I survived the opening song, which had me ready to rip my ears out, I enjoyed it.

    2. It was over-manga’d for my tastes, which run for the hills at the sight of anime. Still, I enjoyed it and the setup with Slade.

    <<<<<

    Like Rob, disliked the theme song,

    disliked the manga influence.

    Unlike Rob, really didn’t care for it.

    –Ed

  12. Just so I understand…

    The Titans get their collective

    keisters kicked…

    But Cyborg’s arm by itself

    can take on the bad guys?

    And in a much more convincing

    fashion?

    If this show is the reason that

    we had to lose Donna Troy….

    –Ed

  13. I realize the target audience was younger but I still feel like someone took my favorite pizza place and turned it into a Chuck E Cheese.

    As much as I hate sounding like a whiny fanboy I probably won’t be watching this show in the future for the following reasons.

    1. The heavy anime influence. I am not much on the form and everything I dislike about it was in this show.

    2. Even though the target audience was younger I really hate that they turned Starfire from a warrior to this new age, bright eyed hippie chick.

    3. Once again a show with a Bat related character falls prey to the “If he (in this case Robin) isn’t around we can’t fight.” Robin disappears and suddenly they get their butts kicked. Okay, the Titans got their butts kicked before, but it seemed like they couldn’t do anything without Batman, which the current JLA comic has a tendency to do. The animated series doesn’t do it as much, but the feeling is still there. Then again it could just be me.

    4. The music. I know when I think of Robin and friends I think of 60’s beach music. The theme song blew and felt like they were talking down to their target audience.

    There, I got that all out of my system. Now I can get back to just liking things again.

  14. Posted by Dave:

    I managed to get through about 20 min of it before turning it off. It obviously wasn’t being made for me!

    I recall with fondness how the Batman & Superman cartoons could be enjoyed by a cross-spectrum of audiences–kids liked the cartoon action, adults appreciated the storytelling and design. We weren’t getting that with this iteration of TT.

    Guess I’ll have to go and drag out my old Wolfman/Perez NTTs (if only I can get the horrible voices they used in the toon out of my head!)

    <<<<<

    I’m with ya, Dave.

    Sad thing is I picked up the

    Terror of Trigon trade today

    and actually read it again.

    It’s just sad.

    My new favorite quote:

    With great characters comes

    great responsibility.

    –from Mark Evanier’s Wertham was

    Right.

  15. Teen Titans was horrible and it was awful. The character voices were so grating my girlfriend had to leave the living area and lock herself in the bedroom.

    I don’t understand why the show is aimed at kids when all the protagonists are teens.

    I don’t know why the characters have to be so dámņ annoying. Kids like this whiny stuff?

    And I have no idea why I forced myself to watch the whole horrible episode.

    Never, never again..

  16. Watched most of it with my 9-year-old. She left after about 10 minutes, I’m more persistant in my self torture.

    She was really looking forward to this show, she’d visited the Cartoon Network page on it several times to see what else they had up. She likes anime, especially the new-to-us Cyborg 009 they are showing in the afternoon. Loves the Disney Kim Possible toon. But just didn’t care for this show once she was able to watch it. She didn’t like the theme, didn’t like how the team was always bickering (“My friends don’t do that.”), and especially didn’t like them getting their tails handed to them twice.

    She did like the blue fuzzy food, and liked the character selection (she doesn’t know about this team as a comic, few themes that I’m not wanting to expose her to yet), and even liked the villians, but just didn’t feel like watching it after all the build-up.

    From my standpoint, I think that they missed the boat with the choices of style and story.

    jeff

  17. For 23 years, I’ve wanted a Titans cartoon.

    Now I just want it to go away.

    It just wasn’t what I was hoping to see. On top of which, I’ve never been a particularly big fan of the style of “Pokemon-esque” anime used by the series.

    The local paper, in their review, said that the next two episodes are stronger and one of them should have been used to launch the show. I might stick around to see if I agree, but, unfortunately, I’m not holding out much hope.

    Now, some may say that I have this reaction to the show because of my strong attachment to the classic Wolfman/Perez New Teen Titans that this take is loosely based on, and, while there may be some truth to that, I’m also one of the few who wasn’t demanding Devin Grayson’s head on a pike for not delivering a Wolfman/Perez book in Titans.

    Maybe the cartoon just isn’t my thing.

  18. It was okay for what it was. Raven was entertaining, and I thought Beast Boy was funny.

    I still wish we could have gotten a Young Justice cartoon.

  19. My only complaint was that the Titans kept getting their butts kicked. This was the same reason I lost interest in the Superman cartoons. I mean, the guy’s *Superman*, and most of his dialogue was agonized, non-pornagraphic groaning and grunting. Kids don’t want to see their favorite heroes getting their butts kicked. They wanna see them doing the kicking of the butts.

    Loved the anime influence, though.

  20. I didn’t care for this show at all. I didn’t care for the new spin on some of the heros.

    I love the more adult oriented style anime(Akira,Vampire Hunter D, etc) but this Pokemon-goofy-faced-anime is not my cup of tea.

  21. When the Titan’s Tower rocked back and forth during the fight like it was some kind of dámņëd Tweety Bird cartoon, I lost all hope I ever had for the rest of this series. It’s just bad.

  22. I find it sadly amusing that the basic idea Peter mentions, that “the kids bicker, have difficulties operating individually, but as a team they pull it all together and are unstoppable” seems to have been too complex for most of the adults watching…

  23. But when the characters in question show so little ability to function as individuals, then the likelihood that they could have ever gotten together to form the group in the first place seems unlikely.

  24. I didn’t get to see the cartoon, yet.

    But, say, PAD, did you read the new “Teen Titans” comic from DC? Any thoughts on how Geoff Johns is handling the characters?

    While I’m still bummed about “Young Justice,” I thought it was pretty good.

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  25. I was not expecting to like this cartoon, but I really did.

    I am far from its age group – but its a nice change of pace. And I hear this episode is much weaker then some of the upcoming ones.

    Overall it was fun, and I think a stronger first outing then Justice League had (I was bored with that show for a while – until I came back and saw the one last season where they went back to WWII)

  26. Okay folks, on a related note, I heard a rumor that DC is planning on putting out a comic book based on the new Teen Titans cartoon series. It is going to be entitled Teen Titans Go! And here’s the kicker, the artist supposedly working on it is none other than Young Justice’s own Todd Nauck.

    If this is true, then it is more proof that the comics industry can be something of a nutty place.

  27. missed the cartoon but teen titans number one (the comic) which came out last week was pretty gøddámņëd good!!

    Which is saying something because I usually don’t care much for Geoff Johns work, The story and art were better than most comics out there. How many issues of young justice did david write?

  28. andrew: Peter David wrote about 53 out of 55 issues of Young Justice. However, he also wrote the two bookends of the Sins of Youth event and the framing story for the 80-page giant. So, it all evens out in the end.

  29. This cartoon was sh*t. Nice and simple. Just a big huck of sh*t. My daugher, who is 8, asked me, “Dad, wtf are we doing watching this dumb sh*t.” I hit her, then told her not to curse. But, she was right. The only real bit of good it did. Was make my dic itch.

  30. andrew: Peter David wrote about 53 out of 55 issues of Young Justice. However, he also wrote the two bookends of the Sins of Youth event and the framing story for the 80-page giant.

    He also wrote Young Justice #1,000,000, part of Young Justice Secret Files #1, the SpyBoy/Young Justice crossover miniseries; and Young Justice appeared in a few issues of PAD’s Supergirl (#36-37).

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    Corey

  31. I was at San Diego’s Comic-Con when they introduced the show. Although the whole thing was being shown that evening (everywhere except on the cable in my hotel, blast it!) they only showed about a short 5 minute segment to the con audience. They did have the voice artist who did Cyborg, and one of the ladies who sung the theme song (who needed an interpreter from Sony, because she speaks very little English.)

    The show got a pretty good reception. Unlike some of the posters here, that audience knew that this show was intended to entice little kids. You know, the ones you want to become comic fans so your hobby won’t die out.

    While a lot of you fans of the Marv Wolfman/George Perez period undoubtedly want to have things like long, lean bodies, and a nearly naked Starfire having sex with Nightwing, this series was intended for people born long after you were, who don’t know and don’t care about your history with comics.

    Since this show has been a rumor for years at Warner, with people struggling to find a way to put it on the air, this should be hailed as a triumph. You ain’t gonna get Superman, Batman or the other heavy hitters, thanks to executive meddling and fear. But a show like this has snuck under their radar, and hasn’t been micromanaged to death.

    The style of the show was nicknamed “Amerime” – and the point was made that since the Japanese have taken baseball to heart, what’s wrong with American creators adapting anime stylings?

    And incidentally, props were given to Mr. Wolfman, who took a bow from the audience – and who said he liked what he had seen. So you purists can stuff that in your retcon and smoke it.

  32. Read the above listed posts Mr. Reed, the audience you said it was”targeted for” doesnt seem to care for it and it alienated most of the adult fans, and its not adapting to the anime style, its trying to cash in on it, and horribly at that so you can shove that in your retcon and smoke it sir!!!!!!!!!!!

  33. Come on now, people. There are plenty of things to like about the show. I liked the characters, the style, and the light tone. It worked for me. I think my favorite characters right now are Starfire and Raven. Perfect foils, if the writers ever use them like that. I like the idea that they’re always bickering, but come together as a team when they really need to. Character conflict is probably one of the most interesting aspects of storytelling.

    I lost interest in Justice League some time back, because I felt the characters didn’t interact, well, ever. (The only great interaction moment I remember is when Batman snatches an artifact out of Flash’s hands and barks, “Don’t touch ANYTHING.” In the background, everyone else–even Superman, mind you–sets stuff down. I love how Batman gets away with that sort of stuff without having any powers.)

    What appealed to me about this show, from the commercials, was the promise that it would have more character interaction/conflict. Maybe it really will turn out to be crap, but I’m feeling optimistic.

    Does anyone else feel that the show’s light/slapstick approach owes something to PAD’s Young Justice? And a show of hands for people who want PAD to write the animated comic!

    As for the Teen Titans comic, I actually thought it was boring. Too serious. And the characters felt too ordinary. Aside from Robin, the other characters are doing, well, ordinary things. Superboy and Wondergirl are at school, and Impulse has just finished homework. I didn’t read Graduation Day, so were they forced to stop being superheroes or something? I mean, since when does Impulse do his homework? I suppose, as with the show, the characters are being reinvented. I do like Superboy’s new look, though, except I’d rather he didn’t look so much like adult Clark. He looks too old to be called “boy.” I tell you, though, if they did a DCU version of Smallville starring Superboy, I’d read it. (Well, I’d read the first issue anyway.)

  34. I didn’t read Graduation Day, so were they forced to stop being superheroes or something?

    They weren’t forced to, but, in light of a couple of deaths among the two teams (so’s not to spoil it, just in case), several members…particularly Cassie…were talking about just hanging it up and trying to have a “normal” life. (As an aside, that particular moment just rang false to me, as Cassie’s the one who badgered Zeus himself to give her powers so she could be a super-hero.)

    Thomas,

    I realize I’m not the target audience of this show, as (hopefully) indicated by my post. That said, I have no problem at all with a different approach, but at the same time, it’d be nice if the characters had more in common with their printed page counterparts than names and (in some cases, but not all…see Raven) powers.

    For example, why use Starfire if she’s not going to act remotely like Starfire? The character I saw had more in common with, say, Prysm than Koriand’r. Likewise, with the powers and personality Raven was given, Lilith/Omen might have been a bit better choice for that slot in the team.

    But hey…who knows. The local paper’s review may have been right, and this episode was just a very weak one. We’ll see, but I don’t think I’m going to hold my breath.

  35. I disagree with most of you. I loved the theme song, enjoyed the show, and will continue to watch. I am a fan of the original comics, but this was never supposed to be a by-the-book translation. If you folks don’t like the show, fine.

    RELAX, already.

  36. Just wondering if anyone else picked up the Challenge of the Super Friends United They Stand DVD, with four episodes:”Trial of the Super Friends,” “Secret Origins of the Super Friends,” “Monolith of Evil,” and “Giants of Doom”?

    Lot of fun seeing the origins of Superman, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern adapted for animation, as well as seeing the Hal Jordan Green Lantern create clever power ring constructs, such as anchoring the Legion of Doom ship to the ground, as well as watching the Barry Allen Flash save a town, and being referred to as “The Fastest Man on Earth.”

    Many happy memories of watching the ABC show on Saturday mornings as a ten-year old.

    I passed on the Justice League Paradise Lost DVD, though, with War World being shown constantly on Cartoon Network.

    Steve Chung

  37. I didn’t care for the show myself, but I think it fit what they were trying to do very well.

    As for the book, I emailed Peter to ask if he read it, and he said no, and that he does not intend to. I can’t really blame him.

    The TV show is alright for kids, and I liked the first issue of Teen Titans vol 2 or whatever, but neither of them, thus far, were worth cancelling Young Justice over, imo.

  38. I loved the classic Wolfman/Perez Teen Titans.

    But, y’know — I enjoyed the new TT cartoon, too. Yeah, I wish it was closer to the “original” (whichever “original” you consider canonical). Yeah, it was silly in places. Yeah, it’s oriented toward kids.

    So what? It’s fun. It’s bouncy. And for a generation that’s growing up with most of its animation experience in the anime idiom, it has as much chance of success, if not more, than a “traditional” TT cartoon would.

    If Cartoon Network (etc.) aren’t putting it on at a kid-friendly hour, though, they’re nuts.

    As to a TT Go! comic? Excellent. I want to keep the existing TT comic going, but having something that will (gasp) get kids into comic book stores can only be a good the industry.

  39. I’ve seen the first two episodes of the Titans last Saturday (CN showed an encore in the morning and the new episode in the evening). The first episode wasn’t as great as it should’ve been. I like the idea of a hex sorceror, strong guy, and mecha-like guy tackling the Titans and winning twice against, but I thought it was executed poorly.

    The second episode was an improvement over the first…although, I’m sick of the “character A steps in and overshadows character B” plots. Anyway, I like this episode better because you learn a little more about the characters and they interacted more than each other.

    Overall, I feel there’s really nothing special about this show. Besides the formula, the show also had your typical set of characters (natural leader, happy-go-lucky, token minority, cynic, and oddball)

    who were somewhat interesting. On a side note, I was a little confused with the voices because Beast Boy sounds like Robin on the Batman show and I kept thinking that Mandy (from the Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy) was under Raven’s hood (they have the same voice).Also, the show is so anime-like, it gave me a headache. I wouldn’t mind it so much if I haven’t been on a steady diet of animes. In any case, it did irk me a little.

    Enough about Teen Titans. I finished Woad to Wuin (great book, PAD. I’m looking forward to Tong Lashing) a while ago and I have yet to Fallen Angel that’s been sitting on top of the TV in my room for a week now.

  40. Teen Titans is not just aimed at younger ages IMO, I think you could like it if you were 5, and you could if you were like 39 or something. So why bash the Titans age ranks? Ya know alot of people remember those characters from before they were even made anime teens. And to that I think alot of fans will hold true, at least depending on their devotion and fandom to the characters and group/creators in general. Not everybody has to like them, but for those who do like them, including myself I must admit, I don’t think it is right for anyone to say something as to it being a “5 to 10” age show. After all, the Titans have shown all shapes and sizes in the past by the makers, now we’re just seeing a new one. One I actually prefer moreover. And to adress the age ranking a final time, I am well over 10 years old and I enjoy the show deeply. As well as I am sure there are many others. So why are some people saying this of the Titans or the show in general? I fail to see, figured I’d give you a tip of useful advice/opinion.

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  41. This show is awesome!!!! Come on who cares about the “style”! If your not a stuck up prep you’ll love it. Its extremly funny, the charactors and the character’s voices are perfect, they do have a weird theme song, but its a perfect show!

  42. This is a fun show. I love the them by PuffyAmiYumi. I think that all the characters all show their defining traits. My favorite characters are Raven & Beast Boy.

    Even though I’m almost 21 I will be glued to my TV for every new episode. I can’t wait to see the Raven spotlight episode with Trigon.

  43. Not bad but not good either, when I heard the show was coming on air I decided to look for more Info on it and found the comics I did indeed buy one but thats beside the point… The japenese art is just not right I think we should do it the north American way. My favorit character so far is Speedy yet only appearing once I still think he’s cool and probaly doen’t wear his uniform to the pizza parlor. I have not seen the one where starfire has gone to the futer but that is the one I want to see even though it has nothing to do with the comic. It does not show the transition of raven and Robin I know for sure but there changes are acurate but cyborg’s and beast boy’s give me a break. and pretty much thats all I know. Gizmo Is cool!!! even though he does lack age Jynx is not suppose to be in the trio its’s suppose to be Shimmer Mamoths sister. Also do any of you guys know which Robin it is? good news I have discovered today it is Tim Drake the third Robin who did not show up in Static Shock when he was suppose to. all batman could say was that he joined the titans but than agian maybe he could be talking about the new teen titans series where Beastboy is the leader (well sorta) I don’t really know but according to that futer one he’s Ðìçk Grayson the first Robin achh this is giving me a head ache. Thanks forrr ahhh you time!!!!

  44. Okay, SDF, in the interests of stemming the tide of rampant ibuprofen abuse…

    The cartoon, “Teen Titans”, airing on Cartoon Network, is loosely based on the Marv Wolfman comic, substituting Tim Drake for Ðìçk Grayson (as Drake had already been introduced as Robin on the “Batman” cartoon, and had been in proper awe of Nightwing when they first met: “You’re the original!”). It does not share continuity with anything in the published DCU (unless there’s a “Teen Titans Adventure” title, like unto the cartoon-based “Batman Adventures” and “Superman Adventures”).

    I’ve only seen one issue of the new edition of the “Teen Titans” comic (having a family does tend to eat into one’s time for tracking down the scarce comics shops in San Diego), but from what I’ve seen, some of the old Titans, including Nightwing, Changeling, Cyborg, and Starfire, have returned as mentors for a new junior team, which (again, last I saw) includes Robin (Tim, that is), the clone Superboy, and Impulse (who, in the issue I saw, had just decided to get serious about heroing, and changed his name to Kid Flash).

    Any help?

  45. It does not share continuity with anything in the published DCU (unless there’s a “Teen Titans Adventure” title, like unto the cartoon-based “Batman Adventures” and “Superman Adventures”).

    There is. It’s called ‘Teen Titans GO!’

    I’ve never read it, nor have I seen the cartoon, so I can’t really be of any other help.

  46. The episode where Starfire traveled into the future…she met Robin as Nightwing.

    When she traveled back to the present she told Robin about the name he was (would be) using.

    He went, “Nightwing….cool”

    I’m so old I remember when Nightwing was (well I almost remember) either Superman or Batman’s super character name in the bottle city of Kandor.

    Ok, which was Nightwing? And what was the name of the other character?

  47. The Teen Titans(cartoon) Robin is Ðìçk Grayson. Its well known but Bruce Timm and Murasaki won’t admit it in public because people will catch on that its not in the same continuity as Batman:TAS and JLA. This is also the reason there won’t be a JLU/Teen Titans crossover. Most likely, Teen Titans and The Batman will share the same continuity.

    If you didn’t read Graduation Day, you didn’t miss much. Robot shows up out of nowhere as Titans and YJ are meeting a corp, Nightwing and Robin inexplicably react negatively to Impulse and Empress trying to stop robot from attacking Cyborg. Robot fights with the teams, several members fall prey to Off Panel Disease. Next issue, while at a hospital trying to heal characters we never saw attacked, YJ suddenly starts acting like Robin is still leader, and Wondergirl suddenly reverts 30 issues of comics back to being a whiny teenage girl. Next issue, ridiculously overpowered Superman robot attacks team, and kills two characters in probably the dumbest method possible. It also includes one of the most mind-boggingly stupid lines in comic history: “Impulse hesitated.”

    Moving awat from the miniseries, the new Teen Titans comic doesn’t show much improvement. Part of the problem with the first few issues is that they act like GD was an actual significant event “proving” that YJ wasn’t capable of being a team, despite the members having acted with more initiative and maturity than the Titans. Another part of the problem is that Wondergirl and Superboy suddenly decide to rehash emotional problems resolved long ago. Superboy with the “Oh no, I’m genetically half villain!” thing and Wondergirl with the “I need to go to school!” thing. Personally, I feel that if your parent is an archeologist and you regularly spend time with people who build hyperdrives for fun, public school is superflous. Oh, and Impulse decides to suddenly care about what people think of his exterior self and gives himself a Ricky Lake makeover that involves him adopting the name and costume of someone he can’t stand.

    Anyway, aside from the excessive anime takes in the first 13 episodes and Starfire’s Shinobu-esque atitude, Murasaki’s take is a lot more faithful to the characters then Geoff Johns’

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