ANGEL (THIS IS GETTING EMBARRASSING)

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1. I must say, hearing Wes say “Five by Five” was way cool. I also loved Faith’s escape…”Step away from the glass” and then she DIVES through it. Wow, what a great episode.

   One question I had was when that big momma from the prison tried to kill Faith, she had an awfully ritualistic looking knife. Was she a lacky of the First?

   I can’t wait to see more…

   Matt

2. I loved the episode; seeing Faith give Conner a verbal slapping was the high point of my week so far.

   The Cordy/Beast moment was disgusting, but at least it was supposed to be disgusting.

   I too had thoughts that Angel might be pulling a fast one, but if he is, he’s a dámņ good actor, since he was doing the evil riff even when he was by himself.

   And as for Fatih’s competence vis-a-vis Buffy? There’s a reason I teamed up with her in my Message Board’s RP games, and not Buffy.

   Now who says the American prison system doesn’t get results?

3. I think it’s pretty clear that that the spell Cordelia cast supposedly to re-ensoul Angel was actually intended to fool Lorne into thinking that Angel had a soul again.

   Wouldn’t it be neat if it turned out that the Lilah in Wesley’s scene were the First? (Not likely, I suppose – but neat.)

4. I had a suspicion that Angel was back. Since He hasn’t killed a human but they burned us once with the Giles not touching things that I just don’t know. As for Lorne, could Cordy’s spell to restore Angel’s soul actually a spell to block Lorne’s ability?

5. Can this show get any better?

   Angelus’ line of, “oh, the other one.” was priceless as was the way he went about getting the information on which Slayer was in town.

   I keep hearing contradictory reports whether or not Eliza Dushku will take over for Sarah Michelle Gellar. Entertainment Weekly reported this week that it was not going to happen. Guess we’ll have to wait & see.

   In 2 weeks, Willow returns to L.A. to re-ensoul Angel then Faith accompanies her to Sunnydale. Should be fun to watch.

   Hopefully, the inclusion of Faith will help the BTVS storyline as well.

   Bobby

   Bobby Nash

   Writer @ Large

6. One thing I found rather odd in the fight scenes: a very sparing use of slow motion. Not something we’ve seen that often in the Buffyverse. Ðámņ solid episode, and those two years since we’ve seen Faith have really given Eliza Dushku a more mature look (that, and the whole prison lack of goth makeup thing).

   As for Lilah, I think it was just Wesley torturing himself. My friend has an odd theory that Wes was involved with the British Special Forces at some point to get away from the watchers, or that he was following his father into the Army, but he was too conflicted. No evidence, of course, but it’s an interesting theory.

7. What a shame if they can’t get a “Faith” spin-off going. Ðámņ, this episode ruled. Connor deserved to be smacked around sometime.He is really annoying. And now it actually looks like he’s falling for Faith, or was I seeing things?

8. OK guys, help me out here. What the heck is the meaning of “Five by five”? I know it means “I’m fine” from the context but what’s the “origin” of this phrase? Thanks for the help in advance.

9. I believe “five by five” is a term used when communicating by radio. I’m not sure what the origins are beyond that.

   PAD is right. I’ve been feeling very embarassed about the way “Angel” has been kicking the snot out of “BTVS”. It’s especially surprising considering it looked to be the opposite at the beginning of the seasons.

10. I suspect the woman who tried to stab Faith was hired by the First (didn’t she say something about being hired?) but wasn’t a knowing minion (having, y’know, eyes and all).

    Just a guess: could “five by five” mean “square?” (In the sense of “everything is square between us,” not “I am unhip and dull.”)

11. Loved it.

    Wes’ introduction said it all for me..

    “Everyone, this is Faith: the Vampire Slayer”

    Wonderful.

    That and with Wesley’s new “attitude” does anyone else think that NOW he makes the perfect watcher for her?

    I’d actually watch a show based on Faith with Wes acting in that role. Kind of a traveling round the world (She is wanted by the cops after all) fighting demons wherever they are found series.

    Sort of..

    Touched by an Angel (Had to say it 🙂 with a dark twist.

12. Gods, it was nice to see kick-butt Slayer action. Haven’t seen any of that in, probably, two years or so (not counting reruns).

    Was I the only one who felt that “Cordelia”‘s body language when talking to the Beast was very similar to the First’s body language?

    Yeah, it’s probably just me.

    What the heck is the meaning of “Five by five”?

    Well, the link that more thoroughly explained (which I found courtesy Television Without Pity) this isn’t working, but basically, in radio broadcasts between pilots, the clarity and volume were ranked on a scale of 1-5, five being the best. So a perfectly clear signal would be “5×5”.

13. My theory is that the network execs are a little squeamish about the star of the show playing a murderer. I like your theory, though, that he’s pretending in order to draw out the Big Bad. (Is this Angel’s first Big Bad? Somehow I don’t think Darla, Holtz, and even Connor amounted up to that. Perhaps Gru.) Still, Angel fed on Lilah… though she was already dead. I’m just assuming that Angelus is feeding off-camera… sort of like Giles touching things off camera. If that’s the case, though, Angelus is only coming off as impotent and a moron, what with killing the Beast. Where’s the psychological/physical torture? Where’re the drawings and the dead fish? Where’s the evil?

    For heaven’s sake, Angelus saved the day! Literally!

14. Willow: “She’s like this cleavagey, šlûŧ-bømb walking around going ‘Oh, check me out. I’m wicked cool. I’m five by five’.”

    Tara: “Five by five? Five what by five what?”

    Willow: “See, that’s the thing, no one knows.”

    But for more elaboration, check this site, which says that: “For what it’s worth, it’s a radio term. Not just only ham, cb, or amateur; it originated in the military. First thing you do when you establish communications is do a comms check. Both sides give their signal strength and clarity reading. On a scale of 1 to 5. 5 x 5 is perfect strength and clarity.”

15. 5 by 5 is essentially radio jargon for “loud and clear”. You rate a signal on volume and clarity, a 5 volume and a 5 clarity being the best possible result.

    All in all, this episode had a lot of great moments. Faith’s “Step away from the glass.” was one of those “Ðámņ, here it comes…” moments. The interaction between Faith and Wes, Faith putting Connor in his place, Connor developing a crush on Faith, all good stuff.

    I also liked the non-crossover crossover bits. The woman attacking Faith with a Harbinger knife (but no mention of who hired the woman or why within the show itself) and the “Hi Dawn, it’s me. Is your sister home?” (No mention of the title character from the other show.*g*) I know the networks agreed to allow crossovers this year, though I recall them being described as “limited” so it looks like ME is doing their best to only do the full-blown crossovers when they have to to stay within those limits.

    As to the question of whether or not Angelus has killed anybody, I’m pretty sure the woman he “saved” on the street is dead, though granted we never actually saw him bite her.

    The other thing I really liked about this episode (and the last episode of Buffy) is the fight coordinators remembering that vampires and Slayers are superhuman. They’re allowed to do the occaisional feat of strength, agility, etc that people aren’t capable of. I certainly don’t want to see it overdone (it happens way too often in modern movies, especially when the characters in question aren’t superhuman *cough*CharliesAngels*cough* to the point of being ridiculous) but the occaisional reminder that illicits a “Wow” from the audience is nice.

16. Speaking of neglected characters, I know she’s not a regular, but what happened to Lightning Lass from a few weeks back (I think her actual name was Gwen)? It seemed like she was going to hang around for a bit…

    And I don’t think Angelus is really Angel. Number one, they’ve already pulled that exact trick (back in the BtVS episode “Enemies”, and that one *also* involved Faith), so I can’t see them doing it again. Additionally, as someone else has pointed out, Angelus has carried on acting like himself even when alone.

    I do agree, though, that it’s a dámņëd shame that Eliza Dushku won’t be headlining any spinoffs in the near future. She was more magnetic in this one episode than SMG has been all season over on UPN.

17. Didn’t Dubya say something about a “Faith based program” a few years ago? I would watch it.

    If Angel really is still Angel, he must know there’s something up with Cordy. I somehow don’t think Angel is the kind of vampire who would stab his friend/ love interest with an arrow.

18. Saw Mark Lutz at this past year’s Mid-Ohio Con, and his only comment about being on the show this year was “no comment”. “I could tell you if I’m going to be back, buuuuut… then I’d have to kill ya.”

19. Yeah, it’s a pretty sad statement about my personal life when the return of Faith is the best thing to happen to me this week. Seeing her majorly school Connor was even better.

    Peter’s right on the money when it comes to not only how much better “Angel” is now, but how Faith just seems infinitely more together than she has ever been, and far more so than Buffy lately.

    I did like the inclusion of the bringers knife and the attempted hit on Faith in prison. I’d kind of like to see that scene in over in Buffy (or maybe just have Faith mentioned there…yes, Buffy hates her but still).

    I found the whole thing with Evil Cordy very weird, and it kind of feels like “Oh, we’ve done the big reveal about her, so we can just have her be evil and cranky the whole time now.” Kind of off-putting, but then again, I guess that’s what evil does…

    I think, though, my biggest gripe about both shows is that each group is facing this giant menace (the one on Angel I’m sure, national, if not international news, what with a how many days long eclipse that’s only over LA?), and neither one gets in touch with the other. The reasoning of “I’m getting Faith to help us, because she’s the only one who won’t stake him on sight,” is a nice way to address that, but I wonder what makes Wes so sure that she felt that way.

20. From http://www.epguides.com

    The knife that the fellow convict used in attempting kill Faith is of the same design used by the Harbingers to kill potential slayers, this season on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. This sheds light on who or what put out the contract on Faith.

    The actress playing the woman who attempted to kill Faith in jail also played the assasin cop in What’s My Line (2) [BTVS]

21. Well, I guess I’m the voice of contention here. I find it remarkable how much better David Fury’s scripts for Buffy are than his scripts for Angel. Still, I was really impressed with the Angel he wrote about a month ago. This episode, not so much.

    I find the quality of Angel to be much more uneven than Buffy. Even a mediocre episode of Buffy tends to have some quotable dialogue. I have trouble remembering any quotable dialogue from Angel.

    Still, this was a great episode for Wesley fans, and I am one. I loved his fight scene near the end. And of course, there was the 5×5 line.

    The current news on spin-offs, for anyone who doesn’t know by now, is as follows: Eliza Dushku was approached about doing a Faith series, but she’s already committed to a different, non-Buffy science fiction series. That’s a shame, from my perspective, because she’s the only Buffy character for whom a spin-off makes obvious sense. Nonetheless, Joss Whedon has talked about a spin-off putting several current Buffy characters in a new situation. Sarah Michelle Gellar says she may make guest appearances, if Buffy’s still alive after the series finale.

    Of course, all this information may be outdated by the end of the week.

    There was an interesting comment in the last issue of Entertainment Weekly. Apparently, the Angel writers came up with the Pylea storyline for season two only because a special guest star suddenly became unavailable. They had to create a new story arc at the last minute. Does anyone know more information about this? I’m guessing that the special guest star would have been Drusilla. Can anyone confirm or deny?

    –Daniel

22. Thanks for the explanation of “five by five”. If memory serves me correctly, the sci-fi series Eliza Dushku will be in is on Fox so she’ll be looking for work not too long after it debuts.:) Last night’s “Angel” really knocked my socks off and the icing on the cake was the so very hot looking Ms. Dushku. I loved Faith’s “take charge” attitude and she kicked more butt in one episode than Buffy has all season.

23. Great to see Faith again. She’s an amazing character — Dark Slayer, then villain, then reformed hero. She’s definitely an Angel character, because she represents his greatest achievement and Buffy’s greatest failure. Had Buffy succeeded, Faith would be rotting in the ground right now or rotting in jail a wasted soul. However, Angel *has* to believe in redemption. Wonderful.

    As for “five by five,” what I love about that expression is how it so beautifully set up the cliffhanger in “This Year’s Girl.” Buffy dusts herself off and when Joyce asks how she is, she replies, “Five by five.” Everyone watching knows what just happened.

24. I’m definitely enjoying what’s going on on Angel. Specifically Wes. I’m sure we all remember him being a wuss character over on Buffy, and now I would think he could hold his own, even against that other bad ášš watcher, Ripper.

    Can’t wait to see what happens with Faith.

25. I think the reason that Faith comes off as fresher and more with-it than Buffy right now is not so much a reflection of the quality of the different shows as that SMG has been tired of the weekly grind for a while now. After seven years of shooting a weekly, hour-long drama with a lot of stunt work (not to mention needing to be in every episode) anyone would need a break. Whereas Eliza hasn’t played the character in a while and was able to take a fresh stab at it.

    (Also, Angel is a darker and more adult show and always has been, so it handles the dark bits better; can you imagine the outraged fan reaction if you had, say, Xander and Anya in the position of Wesley and Lilah this week?)

26. NERD ALERT: The term “five by five” is uttered by the doomed dropship pilot in ALIENS, the audio of which was later “borrowed” by the game STARCRAFT and used for the voice of… you guessed it! A dropship pilot!

27. Buffy jumped the shark at High School graduation while Angel is in its prime, so it is perhaps unfair to compare the two shows today, but we will anyway.

    I know the Scoobies are kind of busy on their own, but you’d think one of them would’ve seen a news report about LA being under permanent midnight, especially if word got to Faith in the joint.

    While it might be cool to think that the Big Bad in Angel is related to the First in BTVS, it probably won’t happen. After all, the Big Bad arranged to knock the sun out and set Angelus free. All the First has done, besides kill a bunch of teenage girls, is appear and go “nyah, nyah, you’re all going to die.”

    It was great to see Faith back in action and this time, cleary on the side of the good guys.

    The transformation of Wes is simply astounding. I still have to remind myself that this was the sissy who fainted at the sight of blood in BTVS or the bumbling dolt from season one of Angel. He’s really come along way. The amount of character development that the Angel cast has seen has made the fact that Xander is still making the same lame jokes he made in season one or that Buffy is back to ignoring Dawn all the more glaring. I loved it when he said “five by five.” He’s clearly in control and in charge of things. His scene with Lyla was great in showing the conflict he’s been going through in the past year.

    Gunn and Fred: frankly, either or even both of these characters can go at this point. With Wes “buffed” out, Gunn seems all the more redundant now and Fred isn’t doing much of anything.

    Cody: Now she’s revealed to the audience as the Big Bad, we can see her acting evil openly now. I think that she’s an imposter. After all, they never did explain how she got out of “floaty land.” Also, how many visions has she actually had since she’s been back, discounting the one from the dream and the one to “resoul” Angel since that one was clearly a fake.

    I am glad they’re finally working Carpenter’s pregnancy into the story, because, quite frankly, the big coats weren’t cutting it anymore. However, by my estimation, it can’t have been more than a few weeks in TV time since the Rain of Fire began, too soon for a normal pregnancy to show. So maybe the kid isn’t Conner’s afterall.

    Conner: He is annoying and too eager to kill dad. At this point, he should either be over the whole “I hate my father because he’s a vampire” routine or have left town.

    Angel/Angelus: I don’t think Angel’s faking it. There really wasn’t any other reason to show him attacking the woman in the alley and even if he was faking it, trying to take credit for Lyla’s death was a bit over the top. And all it really accomplished was to divert attention away from the possibility that someone on the team isn’t what they appear to be. The spell that Cordy set up was probably designed to either fool Lorne or it only lasted a few minutes, either way, it will probably be explained once Cordy is exposed as the Big Bad.

    Doyle: Anyone else wondering how the show would look right now if he’d have stayed around?

28. I think it was a great episode completely ruined by all this Evil Cordy garbage. The overall plan for the season is making less and less sense. I was loving this episode until the creepy ending with Cordy. Between her Lifetime-movie-stepmom-seducing-her-stepson delivery of the dialogue and the earlier “give mama some sugar” line, I might never be able to find Charisma Carpenter sexy again.

    Faith and Wes were great. Take them out of the equation and you’ve got nothing. I’m hoping the rumours about Eliza’s other show were planted just to keep us on our toes, because Faith is the only character in the Buffyverse who deserves their own show. And if Wes left Angel Investigations to be her watcher/sidekick/whatever, I might just leave the show with him.

29. I have a question – why did Wesley go to Faith, rather than Buffy, for help? Woulda made more sense story-wise if he had tried and Buffy said “Can’t – too busy” or if Wesley decided Buffy’s personal feelings might get in the way.

    Is this a UPN/WB issue, or is there something fictional I don’t know about (I’m new to both shows, especially Angel)?

30. Is it me, or is anyone else getting the feeling that it could be Darla hiding in Cordelia? It would explain the blond dye job. But boy, does that add a whole new level of creepiness to her relationship with Connor.

31. I agree with all the rave reviews.

    Although it was over the top, I love when Faith and Wes crashed through the window. As they roll off the car, and she asks if he’s ok, it totally looks like Alexis is laughing, before he says “Five by five.”

    I was snowed in yesterday, and treated myself to an Angel-fest by watching the first three DVDs in the Season 1 box set.

    What a way to top it off, with a great episode like that.

    More Gunn and Faith please! 🙂

32. “Step away from the glass.”

    I liked it very much on the whole. But I wasn’t thrilled with Cordelia’s performance this time out. She acts so differently now that we know she’s evil that I wonder if Carpenter was even aware she was playing an “evil” character until the last day of filming the previous episode. Before, none of the Investigators could be blamed for failing to guess there was something strange about her. Now we get scenes like this:

    CORDELIA (facing the camera): Okay, you guys get that I’m LYING in this sequence, right?

    CORDELIA (to Connor): Yes, Connor, I am glad the sun is out.

    CORDELIA (to camera, cupping hands to mouth): But NOT REALLY!

    She’s still much subtler than Harleen Quinzel on TV’s Birds of Prey, but that ain’t sayin’ much.

33. Could we, perhaps, retire the phrase “Jumping the shark.” It used to mean something specific: A show doing something so preposterous that you could tell it was pretty much running on empty. There was no going back.

    Nothing in “Graduation Day” remotely qualifies.

    I personally am so tired of it that I think the phrase itself has jumped the shark.

    In re Cordelia: I don’t agree with those who believe that she’s now acting differently since we all know she’s evil. Ever since the rain of fire, I’ve heard people saying, “What’s with Cordy? She’s acting weird. Maybe she’s evil. Maybe she’s the one who’s really behind everything.” If folks were seeing it coming that early on, I’d hardly say Carpenter did a 180.

    Re: If Angel is really just faking being Angelus. It wouldn’t be the same as the Giles Is he/Isn’t he thing, because in the latter case, they just wrote badly in order to yank the viewer around (at least so it seems at this time.) In the case of Angel, there’s no bad writing involved. There’s just some possibilities open.

    Heck, I dunno: Maybe Angel’s soul is hiding out in Lorne.

    PAD

34. Didn’t they detect a soul in Angel(us) after the suppossedly failed spell?

    Maybe the soul was imperfectly resotred to Angel(us) and he is acting conflicted because he really is conflicted.

35. “Jumping the shark” in this context simply means that this was the point in which the show reached its peak and the quality started to slide downhill after that.

    I agree it’s a tired cliche, but sometimes tired cliche’s are convenient in the shorthand world of internet message points.

    I agree though, that hints about Cordy’s odd behavior have been appearing since she’s returned, but you really have to admit that Carpenter’s “Okay, you know I’m evil now” look at the camera at the end of this episode was a little telling.

    Here’s another thought: Angelus is running around free and Conner has made it clear that he’s ready and willing to kill him at a moment’s notice. Isn’t this the perfect setup for fulfilling the prophecy that had Wes’s panties in a bunch last season?

36. Do I think Angelus is really Angel playing the part in order to track down the real big bad? -No.

    Do I love the ride that the writers are taking me on, trying to plant thoughts like this and other little twists this year? -OH YEAH.

    At this point I don’t care if I have to wait another half a year or more for another Buffy spin-off, the one we’ve got right now is mopping the floor with its parent show. I’d rather have another season of Angel with the full character list of the “whedon-verse” available as guest stars at this point because this show has got legs.

37. I have a question – why did Wesley go to Faith, rather than Buffy, for help? Woulda made more sense story-wise if he had tried and Buffy said “Can’t – too busy” or if Wesley decided Buffy’s personal feelings might get in the way.

    Is this a UPN/WB issue, or is there something fictional I don’t know about (I’m new to both shows, especially Angel)?

    Well, back in Angel season 1, Angel basically told Buffy, “Stay out of my town.” On top of that, something happened last season (AtS s3 and Buffy s6) between Angel and Buffy; it happened between episodes — Buffy 6.04 (“Flooded”) ends with Buffy getting a call from Angel which he placed after Angel 3.04 (“Carpe Noctern”), and they both return from their meeting at the start of the next ep.

    What happened at that mysterious meeting is anyone’s guess. Except, not really, because the meeting is recounted in the Buffy/Angel comic “Reunion” (which I’ve never read, so I can’t tell you what happened). But I’ve always assumed that that story sets up why they two groups just don’t call each other anymore.

    Oh yeah, “Reunion” was written by Jane Espenson, so that’s gotta be worth something…

38. As I understand it, the comic’s version of the meeting didn’t give a definitive version, but rather several possibilities.

39. “Except, not really, because the meeting is recounted in the Buffy/Angel comic “Reunion” (which I’ve never read, so I can’t tell you what happened).”

    The Reunion comic has various members of the Scooby Gang telling each other how they THINK the Buffy/Angel meeting went down, like telling stories around the campfire. It doesn’t try to lay out what really happened.

    I mention this without spoiler warnings because some people bought the comic on the belief that it was the “true story” and were really annoyed that it wasn’t.

    Corey

40. The one problem I had with this ep was that all of Gunn’s personal issues with Fred and Wes completely vanished. No, they shouldn’t have been the focus, but someone who missed the past few weeks and saw this ep would have no idea that Fred and Gunn are on the outs and that he really doesn’t like Wes at all right now.

    But, like I’ve said in the past, ever since they made Gunn a regular, they’ve had no idea what to do with him, and he’s down to fourth option (still; sub Faith for Angel) in the fight/muscle dept.

    Occurs to me that one reason Angel may be coming off better than Buffy of late is that Angel & Co. actually have someone to fight that they *can* fight…even if it’s not the thing they should actually be fighting (i.e. Cordevilia). But Buffy’s up against a non-corporal abstract concept, and so far the Scoobies don’t have a clue how to actually do something that’d affect the First itself. So it feels like they’re not really doing anything, while on Angel they at least get to punch the Beast/Angelus/etc.

41. RE: Faith Spin-Off

    You know, I have to seriously wonder about the whole Eliza Dushku-FOX pilot thing for a couple of different reasons:

    1) The same concept (time-travel to fix mistakes) was tried two or three times in the last YEAR and bombed EVERY TIME

    2) If FOX (the overall entity) wanted to maximize Eliza, they would keep the Buffy “brand” going with Faith. The merchandizing possbilities for a Faith show alone would be pretty good, I’m thinking.

    3) If FOX (the overall entity) wants to maximize the Buffy “brand”, they need a show that actually has a REASON to exist. Can you imagine…

    Xander and Son? NOPE.

    My So-Called Dawn? NOPE.

    Not Anya Life? NOPE.

    Freaks and Andrews? NOPE.

    Everybody Loves Spike? NOPE.

    Clem’s Playhouse? NOPE.

    Robin Wood: Principal of Thieves? NOPE.

    Willow and Grace? NOPE.

    Add FAITH to just about any of those, and it starts to work. OR, take FAITH on her own, and it works. Faith, like Buffy, is a reason to have a show; everyone else is just a mirror to reflect that glory (no pun intended).

    4) ME has been pulling (or trying to pull) fast ones on us ALL SEASON. What if they and FOX are pulling one on us now?

    I don’t know… It’s just the combo of potential Buffy replacement, crappy previously failed show premise, and potential rumor-killing mischief makes me wonder if the Faith show is actually dead…

    (I hope this whacked out theory is correct, but I won’t be surprised if I’m just wishing…)

    Eric

42. Wes made it pretty clear why he went to Faith instead of Buffy. He wanted Angel brought in alive.

    Buffy may well have killed Angel if given the chance, after having already done it once before. And Wes knew it.

43. Just reading though these posts and previous threads that theres has always been something that caught my eye. Has anybody else noticed how both Btvs and Angel are basically running off the same plots just different versions?(like distruction of watchers and WR&H)

    It was also mentioned before this “version” of Angel is neither Angel or Angelus but something new. maybe it’s a nod to Pad about merging personalities?

    But if Lilah was the 1st in this episode wouldn’t that make sense that they would go and bail out buffy? Especially if Willow puts the soul back in angel and tell whats been happening? Could the last episodes of buffy be the big cross-over? 2 teams one unbeatable foe!

    Yea I think thats whats going to happen.

    -Erick

44. I just saw a episode of angel, i think its #6 from the new series, i know its a little behind you in the US but i have to say it was amazing. i really enjoyed it. much darker that Buffy.

    the episode was were Angel and the rest were righting a demon guy and all these plauges were happening! i’m a little lost as the last episode i saw, Angel was in “the hosts” home demension! probably missed a lot huh!

    one day i’ll have money and buy the box sets!

45. Proposed title for the new series on UPN…

    “Faith of the Heart”.

    (Sorry!)

    davidh

46. hey i just came upon this page and thought i’d share if. it’s a quick Q&A with angel and cordey!

    http://zentertainment.com/article.php?sid=7603

    -erick

47. I thought that the inmate trying to kill Faith should have said, “From Beneath You, IT Devours!” Just so it would be more of a clue than just the knife.

48. “Five by Five” is something Faith always said when on Buffy. So Wesley saying it was him speaking her lingo.

    She was great.

49. Five by Five was also the name of one of the episodes that Faith appeared in during the first season of Angel (in reference to her oft said phrase).

50. Gunn became superfluous when Wesley essentially morphed into him (or at least, the “bad” guy, rebel who is not really part of the group, but works with the group because he believes in the common goal). Once Gunn became way too much a part of the team (not sort of having his own agenda, not living separately from them), his whole purpose went out the window.

    His relationship with Fred was a disaster. Tension works on a show — not a happy couple. And everyone loves doomed romance (Angel and Buffy). I don’t know what the deal was supposed to be with Gunn and Fred.

    All I like about Fred is the “Doctor Who” aspect of her character (you know, new cast member joins the gang during an adventure). Other than that, she doesn’t seem to serve much of a purpose.

    Funny that Lorne, unlike Gunn and Fred, *does* serve a distinct purpose that can’t be filled by anyone else.

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