I’ve been asked why Fallen Angel doesn’t appear on the sub list at dccomics.com. We wrote to the sub e-mail address at the site, and they said that yes, subs are available for “Fallen Angel.” My expression is that it’s our ongoing “no visible category” problem. They can’t group us in DCU because we’ve got the mature readers label, but they can’t group us with the mature label books because those are all Vertigo, and they can’t put us in with “Beyond the DCU” because those are all kiddie books. It’s the old story: All of the disadvantages of a DCU title and a Vertigo title, none of the advantages of either. Yet another strike against the book which already has, like, ten against it. I’m frankly stunned we’re still being published.
But hey, next issue starts off with Jesus hanging on the cross, so maybe we’ll pick up some of that swell “Passion” action. Seriously. The issue starts at the Crucifixion. At the time I wrote it, I didn’t know “Passion” was coming out around the same time, but, y’know, whatever works.
PAD
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Yeah, but Mel Gibson did “The Passion” not Joss Whedon! Something’s wrong with this picture. j/k
Why doesn’t DC have something like Marvel’s Marvel Knights. A place for their edgier books that don’t fit in with the all ages or the mature only ones?
I picked up The Monolith today and on the front cover it states how this new creature is in the DCU. However, within I found a curse word or two, many drug references, and a half-naked woman(that had a balck eye) and was unwillingly taking part in pørņ.
Why DC decides to give Fallen Angel a mature lable and not this book is beyoned me.
DC’s (apparently inactive) Piranha Press imprint could be one option…
Just because previous PP entries did not include DCU characters doesn’t necessarily mean they never can appear under that imprint.
But hey, next issue starts off with Jesus hanging on the cross, so maybe we’ll pick up some of that swell “Passion” action. Seriously. The issue starts at the Crucifixion. At the time I wrote it, I didn’t know “Passion” was coming out around the same time, but, y’know, whatever works
And once again a Jew crucifies the Christ.
I could just leave this as it is, and start a flood of “EClark is an anti-semite and bigot” posts. But it’s only a joke folks. I don’t hate Jews any more than I assume PAD hates Christians. I’m much too busy annoying the gay posters over on the DC Wonder Woman message boards.
Pad, if you hate Christians, dude, we gotta talk.
Um, I don’t think Mr. David hates Christians. I just think he doesn’t buy into the belief that “invincible ignorance” is an excuse for bad behavior.
As far as “Fallen Angel” tapping into the big audience for “The Passion of The Christ,” it’d have to be a lot more violent and gory than, say, the “Supergroup” story arc of “Powers” to get that audience. Jesus would have to be blown apart from the inside to equal that film. Whoever called Gibson’s film “The Jesus Chainsaw Massacre” – to use an unfortunate but appropriate term – nailed it.
To address James Tichy’s point: as far as I can tell, there’s long been an unacknowledged set of “middle ground” titles in the DCU line, since as far back as the mid-1980’s. Suicide Squad, Vigilante, Checkmate, The Question, Green Arrow from Grell’s run onward…all of these and more fit that category of titles that cover territory somewhere between the “DCU Classic” properties and the Vertigo line.
Fallen Angel and The Monolith seem very much to be continuing the tradition, for better or worse. You may be right about it being time giving such titles a shared marketing identity.
If there’s a counter-argument to that position, I’d be interested to hear it out.
Yours,
Dwight
I’ll also stand in agreement with Thomas Reed and in defense of PAD on the “anti-Christian v. anti-willful ignorance” debate re: Peter’s conduct here and elsewhere on the Internet. If “anti-ignorance” does in fact equal “anti-Christianity”, that ends up convicting a lot of honourable Christians by extension. And that would indeed be a shame, one that I can’t see Jesus ever tolerating.
I’ll leave that as my final thought for now on that topic in this forum, I think.
Yours respectfully,
Dwight
I may be reading things wrong, but I’m getting the impression that people seem to think that opening with a scene from the Cruxifiction somehow equates to an anti-Christian message. I tend to just think that it’s part of the whole religous backdrop of the book…especially since I’m assuming that the mysterious Shard (the alleged goal that Lee is torturing Mariah to get) is actually a piece of the Cross.
How Mariah got hold of a real piece when whole forests of “pieces of the True Cross” where brought back from the Holy Land by Crusaders might be interesting, but it’s been evident to me from the start that that’s the form this particular McGuffin has taken.
See? This is why I put in a caviat on my joke, by saying I don’t think PAD hates Christians and the next few posters felt compelled to rush to his defense. Sheesh!
Can’t Fallen Angel be considered a DC Focus title (but w/ a mature label), since none of those are DCU books either?
As far as Fallen Angel being a “middle ground ‘title .Could not agree more .I go to the comics shop
pretty regular and saw no publicity for the book.Picked up issue 7 when i saw PAD was writing and loved the book.Unfortunately this happens a lot with both DC and Marvel.Read the Xero story on christopher priest ‘s websiteabout middle ground or no ground titles.
Tried to contact Dc and marvel about this but Dc’s message board is always down(HMMM)There needs to be a market for comics that dont fit a certain mold.
Im sorry to say that I have had to drop Fallen Angels from my list. There are too many comics that are being released bi-weekly, the price has become too expensive. The first comics I ever bought was Fantastic Four # 245 and now I find myself having to cut titles in order to stay within budget.
I find myself having to cut titles in order to stay within budget.
I know what you mean. I have my core titles which I will never drop(Fallen Angel, Captain Marvel, Avengers, Fantastic Four). Then I have some guilty pleasures that I keep around and can drop at any time (Superman/Batman, Superman, Silver Surfer). Finally, I have room for any mini-series that I might want to read..I try to keep it at no more than two(1602, Secret War).
This seems to work well for me. I know I can always afford the core titles and the rest can just come and go.
Pad, if you hate Christians, dude, we gotta talk.
Dude, if I hate Christians, I think my Catholic wife (who is raising our daughter Catholic) probably has dibs on *that* conversation.
PAD
Whoever called Gibson’s film “The Jesus Chainsaw Massacre” – to use an unfortunate but appropriate term – nailed it.
The other day I said to a friend in regards to an actor doing well in a role, “As they said in ‘The Passion,’ ‘He just nailed that sucker.'” My friend moaned very loudly.
In the meantime, I keep imagining the Brother’s Gibb watching “The Passion” and singing, “Flaying alive, flaying alive, ah ah ah ah flaying alive.”
But that’s probably just me.
PAD
Yet another strike against the book which already has, like, ten against it. I’m frankly stunned we’re still being published.
Yep, it just seems like everyone is out to get you,DC Comics, watchers of “The Passion”, Christians, Bush, all right-wing groups, all moral up-right citizens who stand against pornography.
It must be awful to be you!
Watch out, they are spying on you right now, better put back on your tin foil hat!
“The other day I said to a friend in regards to an actor doing well in a role, “As they said in ‘The Passion,’ ‘He just nailed that sucker.'” My friend moaned very loudly.
In the meantime, I keep imagining the Brother’s Gibb watching “The Passion” and singing, “Flaying alive, flaying alive, ah ah ah ah flaying alive.”
But that’s probably just me.
PAD”
Peter, have you ever seen someone execute a whole-body wince?
You got me, man…
I’ve been enjoying Fallen Angel these past months but I keep waiting for the Phantom Stranger to appear and say “Sis—!!!”