Thus far the blogging of the VP debate drew comments faster and more furiously than the Presidential debate. Let’s see what happens this time around. As always, I’m watching the broadcast on PBS. Comments below the cut line.
9:02: ” I have selected a long list of excellent questions that will not be answered…”
9:03: McCain in a red tie, Obama in a blue tie. Perfect.
9:03: Obama goes for the attack early.
9:05: I’m being reminded of the Underpants gnomes from “South Park.” “Step One, Bailout. Step two…(deafening silence). Step three: Profit!”
9:06: Huh? Energy independence? Uhm…okay.
9:07: I’m waiting for McCain to sit down on the step next to the guy. Maybe ask him to sit in his lap.
9:08: And McCain goes for a joke! It’s a missed bunt.
9:09: Here’s the problem: McCain is talking about wall Street cronyism, yet he has plenty of Wall Street lobbyists on his staff.
9:10: Obama continues on the attack. He’s trying to bait McCain into blowing his temper, get scolding, etc. It’s a gambit; if it doesn’t work, if McCain doesn’t respond to the attacks, Obama going to look as if he’s endlessly carping.
9:12: The questioner is looking for specifics. Let’s see if he gets them. And now McCain fires back at Obama, referring to “cronies.” Obama is going to have to spend time defending himself rather than getting specific.
9:14: Smart. Obama speaks to the question first rather than responding to McCain’s charges.
9:15: And yet politicians ARE pointing fingers.
9:18: How do we trust you? Good question.
9:19: This could wind up being a major question because Obama tends to be a history and facts wonk while McCain does better in connecting with people on an emotional level, and trust is an emotional question.
9:20: This would have been the question for Obama to talk about hardscrabble roots or some such, the notion that “I’ve known hard times, I’m on your side.”
9:21: No, he has NOT been a consistent reformer. He has been consistently self serving. Read the Rolling Stones article.
9:22: They’re both blowing this opportunity. This is the kind of question that Bill Clinton would have knocked out of the park. Say what you will about Clinton, but he has tremendous personal charisma and you would have seen it on display for this question.
9:24: he could work on all three at once? NOW he can multi task? He couldn’t even campaign and work on the economy at the same time.
9:25: Every time he says, “My friends” I keep flashing back to “The Music Man” doing “Trouble.”
9:26: Yeah, but JFK had to die to give us the impetus to get to the moon.
9:27: Brokaw is trying his best to rein them in for time.
9:29: That air force tanker was actually a pork barrel project that he managed to push past through Carter’s objections. And there was a lawsuit involved as well because of European involvement that made its construction unfair competition for Americans.
9:30: OBAMA mentioned 9/11 first? Cripes.
9:31: Still, the comment about going out and shopping “not being the kind of call to service we were looking for” is kind of funny.
9:32: Clean coal technology is a myth. Unless there’s a new scientific breakthrough, it’s never going to happen.
9:33 If Bush says Wall Street got drunk, I’d take his word for it. With his history, he’d know.
9:34 I wonder if either of them will talk about putting Wall street on a 12 step program.
9:35: Obama should say, “I know Senator Obama worked with Herbert Hoover and knew Herbert Hoover, but I assure you I’m no Herbert Hoover.”
9:37: I keep waiting for them to follow the “West Wing” format and basically say, “Screw the rules, we’re just going to talk back and forth.”
9:38: Social security is the third rail of politics. If they talk about reforming it, they’re in trouble. “The straight talk express lost a wheel.” Nice. I’m sure he was waiting for the opportunity to use it.
9:40: Obama is steering the question away from what Brokaw said.
9:41: I’LL answer the question. Oh, snap.
9:41: Oh God, another frakking commission.
9:42: Look at the record? Keating 5.
9:43: McCain tries to distance himself from the Bush administration. Smart. Let’s see if Obama tries to tie him right back to it. Meantime he follows the West Wing scenario, advocating nuclear fuel just as Vinick did. Again, let’s hope a nuclear meltdown doesn’t happen to keep the scenario going.
9:45: Is EVERYTHING one of the biggest challenges of our time?
9:46: YES! Obama finally hits the nail in talking about the fact that McCain has been there for so long and hasn’t accomplished any of the things he talks about.
9:47: God, I just wish that Brokaw would just say, “Look, do you guys just want to toss the rules? Because if you do, let’s take the gloves off and go and I will go ‘Meet the Press’ on both of you.”
9:51: No. the health care in the congress is one of the most generous policies ever. They have all the stuff that we have slowly lost over the years due to the insurance companies.
9:52: Notice that Obama is no longer (a) stuttering at the start of questions and (b) saying “Senator McCain is absolutely right” about anything.
9:53: Why does no one point out that $5000 won’t get you health insurance?
9:54: cross-state insurance won’t work. NY people can’t go flocking to Ohio for health insurance, because in many states the state governments supplement the medical programs (the HIP program, for instance, is supplemented by state taxpayer money.) If the state governments see people flooding in from other states whose taxes aren’t going into the pot, how likely are they to continue supplementing the programs?
9:56: Oooo. Obama finally brings the personal aspect in.
9:57: Hah! He brought up McCain voting against children’s healthcare. I was wondering if he would.
9:58: Obama just stepped in something and he knows it. Biden’s from Delaware.
9:59: Obama can use this question as a major opportunity to link McCain to Bush when it comes to damaging our ability to act as peacemakers.
10:01: Obama was wrong about the surge. And McCain was wrong about every aspect of the war.
10:02: Not really answering the question, but he’s jabbing back at McCain at least.
10:03: 79 comments on this thread thus far. As of this time during the VP debate we had over 200.
10:05: I agree with McCain: It requires a cool hand at the tiller. Unfortunately his is anything BUT a cool hand. That’s the problem.
10:07: “Your young men and women are my first priority right after our nation’s security.” Which would make them your…second priority.
10:09: Except the problem is that more troops in Afghanistan will likely not lead to much except more deaths of civilians which is going to pìšš øff the people there and further inflame hostility toward us.
10:11: Actually it’s “speak softly and carry a big stick,” which is a West African saying that Roosevelt quoted.
10:13: YES! YES! And notice he said “speaking softly, ” the correct quote.
10:15; And we’re back to McCain’s secret plan to get bin Laden. He keep saying that. He has a secret plan. Has he shared this plan with anyone?
10:16: Brokaw is going to give Saturday night Live a field day.
10:18: Oh my God, McCain said that Obama was correct about something. Is that a first?
10:19: McCain’s right, I doubt we’ll have another cold war with Russia.
10:20: We’ve been SHOWING moral support for Georgia. It didn’t mean jack.
10:21: Yes. Obama jumps on the moral support opening. The question is, where do we get the money to provide financial support. And Obama already said the first thing he would cut would be money designed for foreign support.
10:22: As opposed to anticipating something AFTER it happens?
10;23: Gee, I would have thought McCain says Yes.
10:25: Ooooooo. the Jewish vote is listening carefully.
10:26: Aw, c’mon, are we back to the preconditions thing?
10:27: So Obama is basically saying that we want to take steps to make sure Israel isn’t attacked by Iran. Which is fine. But WHAT IF IT IS? That’s the question. If the steps fail, what then?
10:29: He never answered the question.
10:30: Obama deflects the zen question with humor and switches to his stump speech.
10:31: I could see McCain saying, “I don’t know how we will survive if Obama is elected, and I intend to never have to learn it.”
10:34: Except the great honor of his life was to put himself first. Again, read the RS articles.
CONCLUSION: I think both of them got good shots in. To my mind, Obama gave the better performance, albeit narrowly, but I’ve no idea if anyone who is undecided would have been swayed one way or the other.
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>He keep saying that. He has a secret plan. Has he shared this plan with anyone?
Don’t you think it would be his patriotic duty to share it with Bush and bring this dangerous man to justice? He has no plan.
>He keep saying that. He has a secret plan. Has he shared this plan with anyone?
Don’t you think it would be his patriotic duty to share it with Bush and bring this dangerous man to justice? He has no plan.
Just a grammatical question. Can one “repress” liberties? I always figured you repressed PEOPLE.
Just a grammatical question. Can one “repress” liberties? I always figured you repressed PEOPLE.
I don’t like what either of them are saying about Afghanistan. Obama says we have to tell their President to do thing differently, which isn’t enough to address the problem. McCain says we need massively more troops, which will just pìšš øff the locals and drive up recruitment for the people who hate us.
I’m really hoping that they’re just acting tough and they’ll do something more with Afghanistan if they get in office.
I don’t like what either of them are saying about Afghanistan. Obama says we have to tell their President to do thing differently, which isn’t enough to address the problem. McCain says we need massively more troops, which will just pìšš øff the locals and drive up recruitment for the people who hate us.
I’m really hoping that they’re just acting tough and they’ll do something more with Afghanistan if they get in office.
Well, he HAD a secret plan, but he found out that Teddy Roosevelt is dead….
Well, he HAD a secret plan, but he found out that Teddy Roosevelt is dead….
oops: Petreus not how I spelled it.
oops: Petreus not how I spelled it.
The McCain plan for Russia: punish them when they do stuff we don’t like. Okay, how? We’re not going to war with them and economic sanctions will just weaken one of the few things that’s keeping them tied to us in a good way.
We need better relations with Russia, not to puff out our chests and act like we’re their adversaries again.
The McCain plan for Russia: punish them when they do stuff we don’t like. Okay, how? We’re not going to war with them and economic sanctions will just weaken one of the few things that’s keeping them tied to us in a good way.
We need better relations with Russia, not to puff out our chests and act like we’re their adversaries again.
Actually it’s Petraeus, Brian. Nice try, though. 🙂
Okay, McCain actually gave a good answer to that “yes or no” question. Props for that.
Okay, McCain actually gave a good answer to that “yes or no” question. Props for that.
Attaboy McCain! Waste time sucking up, you’ll only have to answer ONE question instead of Brokaw’s desired two.
Attaboy McCain! Waste time sucking up, you’ll only have to answer ONE question instead of Brokaw’s desired two.
Well, Obama didn’t manage one word – but one sentence, I think. McCain looked like one word – then expanded. Both striking similar notes on Russia overall, I think.
Well, Obama didn’t manage one word – but one sentence, I think. McCain looked like one word – then expanded. Both striking similar notes on Russia overall, I think.
Aaaaaaaaaaand McCain is back to the “preconditions” canard. Give it a rest, dude.
Aaaaaaaaaaand McCain is back to the “preconditions” canard. Give it a rest, dude.
McCain’s body language is a little better than the last debate, but not by as much as I expected. He’s looking at Obama a little, but not all that much. Half the time he’s looking at his sideways, like he’d really rather just stare and Tom Brokaw and is forcing himself to look at Obama.
McCain’s body language is a little better than the last debate, but not by as much as I expected. He’s looking at Obama a little, but not all that much. Half the time he’s looking at his sideways, like he’d really rather just stare and Tom Brokaw and is forcing himself to look at Obama.
Maybe McCain’s secret plan is psychohistory?
Maybe McCain’s secret plan is psychohistory?
Brokaw expected two U.S. Senators–one of them a lawyer– to give one-word answers? Silly man.
Brokaw expected two U.S. Senators–one of them a lawyer– to give one-word answers? Silly man.
Maybe McCain’s secret plan is psychohistory?
Somewhere, Asimov is spinning in his grave like a dynamo at the thought. (On the other hand, maybe that spinning is McCain’s energy policy!)
Maybe McCain’s secret plan is psychohistory?
Somewhere, Asimov is spinning in his grave like a dynamo at the thought. (On the other hand, maybe that spinning is McCain’s energy policy!)
Maybe McCain’s secret plan is psychohistory?
ROFL!
Maybe McCain’s secret plan is psychohistory?
ROFL!
Tim Lynch: Actually it’s Petraeus, Brian. Nice try, though. 🙂
I was also getting that wrong. Thanks, Tim.
Tim Lynch: Actually it’s Petraeus, Brian. Nice try, though. 🙂
I was also getting that wrong. Thanks, Tim.
nevermind.
I’m gonna delete everything cause noone will actually give me a real answer.
I will vote for Obama
IF
-someone can explain
his connection to ACORN and the Weathermen.
-how he could sit and listen to Rev. wright for over 20 years. AND then say he doesn’t agree with what he says.
that property ‘deal’ he’ was involved in where the person who bought the land next to him NEVER built anything on his lot
As you can propbaly tell, I don’t follow politics very closely BUT I Need to know.
Believe it or not I do want to vote for the big O but these questions have to be answered.
nevermind.
I’m gonna delete everything cause noone will actually give me a real answer.
I will vote for Obama
IF
-someone can explain
his connection to ACORN and the Weathermen.
-how he could sit and listen to Rev. wright for over 20 years. AND then say he doesn’t agree with what he says.
that property ‘deal’ he’ was involved in where the person who bought the land next to him NEVER built anything on his lot
As you can propbaly tell, I don’t follow politics very closely BUT I Need to know.
Believe it or not I do want to vote for the big O but these questions have to be answered.
A nice last question. Let’s see how they do.
A nice last question. Let’s see how they do.
Meh. I liked his initial riposte about Michelle, but then it went into boilerplate.
Meh. I liked his initial riposte about Michelle, but then it went into boilerplate.
Obama has a nice opening with the reference to his wife… but drifts completely away from the “what don’t you know” question (which, granted, is a trap) into “My American Story.”
“They may be countries that some of us can hardly find on a map right now.”
Like your running mate, John?
“They may be countries that some of us can hardly find on a map right now.”
Like your running mate, John?
He was sitting by while Obama was speaking, and his answer is that he doesn’t know what’s going to happen? Holy crap.
He was sitting by while Obama was speaking, and his answer is that he doesn’t know what’s going to happen? Holy crap.
The winner of the election is likely to learn what he doesn’t know by having his nose rubbed vigorously in it.
So Obama is basically saying that we want to take steps to make sure Israel isn’t attacked by Iran. Which is fine. But WHAT IF IT IS? That’s the question. If the steps fail, what then?
I would think that depends on the kind of attack. If it’s a nuclear attack, I don’t think anyone would be holding back. Short of a nuclear attack, would we really need to commit US troops? Iran and Israel don’t share a border, so the only thing the Iranians can do is lob missiles, the way Iraq did during Desert Storm. The Israeli air force may be able to handle that on their own.
So Obama is basically saying that we want to take steps to make sure Israel isn’t attacked by Iran. Which is fine. But WHAT IF IT IS? That’s the question. If the steps fail, what then?
I would think that depends on the kind of attack. If it’s a nuclear attack, I don’t think anyone would be holding back. Short of a nuclear attack, would we really need to commit US troops? Iran and Israel don’t share a border, so the only thing the Iranians can do is lob missiles, the way Iraq did during Desert Storm. The Israeli air force may be able to handle that on their own.
“$5000.00
To cover Jenn, with her existing medical problems, our son and myself; I would be shelling out three or four times that easy.”
Ok.. so you get free insurance now? How about those of us without any dámņ insurance… I’d love the $5000 a year to cover insurance. Here’s a better breakdown on the plan…
“While still having the option of employer-based coverage, every family will receive a direct refundable tax credit – effectively cash – of $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for families to offset the cost of insurance. Families will be able to choose the insurance provider that suits them best and the money would be sent directly to the insurance provider.”
Yeah, I might still have some cost. Just like at an employer I might have to pay 500-700 a month myself, with the rest covered by the employer. Still, having 5k of my cost covered still sounds good to me.
Jeeze, you people make it sounds like he’s trying to CUT your insurance. Sorry he’s not giving you enough of everyone elses money.
“$5000.00
To cover Jenn, with her existing medical problems, our son and myself; I would be shelling out three or four times that easy.”
Ok.. so you get free insurance now? How about those of us without any dámņ insurance… I’d love the $5000 a year to cover insurance. Here’s a better breakdown on the plan…
“While still having the option of employer-based coverage, every family will receive a direct refundable tax credit – effectively cash – of $2,500 for individuals and $5,000 for families to offset the cost of insurance. Families will be able to choose the insurance provider that suits them best and the money would be sent directly to the insurance provider.”
Yeah, I might still have some cost. Just like at an employer I might have to pay 500-700 a month myself, with the rest covered by the employer. Still, having 5k of my cost covered still sounds good to me.
Jeeze, you people make it sounds like he’s trying to CUT your insurance. Sorry he’s not giving you enough of everyone elses money.
I am just thankful that McCain refrained from saying the word Maverick.