Thus far the blogging of the VP debate drew comments faster and more furiously than the Presidential debate. Let’s see what happens this time around. As always, I’m watching the broadcast on PBS. Comments below the cut line.
9:02: ” I have selected a long list of excellent questions that will not be answered…”
9:03: McCain in a red tie, Obama in a blue tie. Perfect.
9:03: Obama goes for the attack early.
9:05: I’m being reminded of the Underpants gnomes from “South Park.” “Step One, Bailout. Step two…(deafening silence). Step three: Profit!”
9:06: Huh? Energy independence? Uhm…okay.
9:07: I’m waiting for McCain to sit down on the step next to the guy. Maybe ask him to sit in his lap.
9:08: And McCain goes for a joke! It’s a missed bunt.
9:09: Here’s the problem: McCain is talking about wall Street cronyism, yet he has plenty of Wall Street lobbyists on his staff.
9:10: Obama continues on the attack. He’s trying to bait McCain into blowing his temper, get scolding, etc. It’s a gambit; if it doesn’t work, if McCain doesn’t respond to the attacks, Obama going to look as if he’s endlessly carping.
9:12: The questioner is looking for specifics. Let’s see if he gets them. And now McCain fires back at Obama, referring to “cronies.” Obama is going to have to spend time defending himself rather than getting specific.
9:14: Smart. Obama speaks to the question first rather than responding to McCain’s charges.
9:15: And yet politicians ARE pointing fingers.
9:18: How do we trust you? Good question.
9:19: This could wind up being a major question because Obama tends to be a history and facts wonk while McCain does better in connecting with people on an emotional level, and trust is an emotional question.
9:20: This would have been the question for Obama to talk about hardscrabble roots or some such, the notion that “I’ve known hard times, I’m on your side.”
9:21: No, he has NOT been a consistent reformer. He has been consistently self serving. Read the Rolling Stones article.
9:22: They’re both blowing this opportunity. This is the kind of question that Bill Clinton would have knocked out of the park. Say what you will about Clinton, but he has tremendous personal charisma and you would have seen it on display for this question.
9:24: he could work on all three at once? NOW he can multi task? He couldn’t even campaign and work on the economy at the same time.
9:25: Every time he says, “My friends” I keep flashing back to “The Music Man” doing “Trouble.”
9:26: Yeah, but JFK had to die to give us the impetus to get to the moon.
9:27: Brokaw is trying his best to rein them in for time.
9:29: That air force tanker was actually a pork barrel project that he managed to push past through Carter’s objections. And there was a lawsuit involved as well because of European involvement that made its construction unfair competition for Americans.
9:30: OBAMA mentioned 9/11 first? Cripes.
9:31: Still, the comment about going out and shopping “not being the kind of call to service we were looking for” is kind of funny.
9:32: Clean coal technology is a myth. Unless there’s a new scientific breakthrough, it’s never going to happen.
9:33 If Bush says Wall Street got drunk, I’d take his word for it. With his history, he’d know.
9:34 I wonder if either of them will talk about putting Wall street on a 12 step program.
9:35: Obama should say, “I know Senator Obama worked with Herbert Hoover and knew Herbert Hoover, but I assure you I’m no Herbert Hoover.”
9:37: I keep waiting for them to follow the “West Wing” format and basically say, “Screw the rules, we’re just going to talk back and forth.”
9:38: Social security is the third rail of politics. If they talk about reforming it, they’re in trouble. “The straight talk express lost a wheel.” Nice. I’m sure he was waiting for the opportunity to use it.
9:40: Obama is steering the question away from what Brokaw said.
9:41: I’LL answer the question. Oh, snap.
9:41: Oh God, another frakking commission.
9:42: Look at the record? Keating 5.
9:43: McCain tries to distance himself from the Bush administration. Smart. Let’s see if Obama tries to tie him right back to it. Meantime he follows the West Wing scenario, advocating nuclear fuel just as Vinick did. Again, let’s hope a nuclear meltdown doesn’t happen to keep the scenario going.
9:45: Is EVERYTHING one of the biggest challenges of our time?
9:46: YES! Obama finally hits the nail in talking about the fact that McCain has been there for so long and hasn’t accomplished any of the things he talks about.
9:47: God, I just wish that Brokaw would just say, “Look, do you guys just want to toss the rules? Because if you do, let’s take the gloves off and go and I will go ‘Meet the Press’ on both of you.”
9:51: No. the health care in the congress is one of the most generous policies ever. They have all the stuff that we have slowly lost over the years due to the insurance companies.
9:52: Notice that Obama is no longer (a) stuttering at the start of questions and (b) saying “Senator McCain is absolutely right” about anything.
9:53: Why does no one point out that $5000 won’t get you health insurance?
9:54: cross-state insurance won’t work. NY people can’t go flocking to Ohio for health insurance, because in many states the state governments supplement the medical programs (the HIP program, for instance, is supplemented by state taxpayer money.) If the state governments see people flooding in from other states whose taxes aren’t going into the pot, how likely are they to continue supplementing the programs?
9:56: Oooo. Obama finally brings the personal aspect in.
9:57: Hah! He brought up McCain voting against children’s healthcare. I was wondering if he would.
9:58: Obama just stepped in something and he knows it. Biden’s from Delaware.
9:59: Obama can use this question as a major opportunity to link McCain to Bush when it comes to damaging our ability to act as peacemakers.
10:01: Obama was wrong about the surge. And McCain was wrong about every aspect of the war.
10:02: Not really answering the question, but he’s jabbing back at McCain at least.
10:03: 79 comments on this thread thus far. As of this time during the VP debate we had over 200.
10:05: I agree with McCain: It requires a cool hand at the tiller. Unfortunately his is anything BUT a cool hand. That’s the problem.
10:07: “Your young men and women are my first priority right after our nation’s security.” Which would make them your…second priority.
10:09: Except the problem is that more troops in Afghanistan will likely not lead to much except more deaths of civilians which is going to pìšš øff the people there and further inflame hostility toward us.
10:11: Actually it’s “speak softly and carry a big stick,” which is a West African saying that Roosevelt quoted.
10:13: YES! YES! And notice he said “speaking softly, ” the correct quote.
10:15; And we’re back to McCain’s secret plan to get bin Laden. He keep saying that. He has a secret plan. Has he shared this plan with anyone?
10:16: Brokaw is going to give Saturday night Live a field day.
10:18: Oh my God, McCain said that Obama was correct about something. Is that a first?
10:19: McCain’s right, I doubt we’ll have another cold war with Russia.
10:20: We’ve been SHOWING moral support for Georgia. It didn’t mean jack.
10:21: Yes. Obama jumps on the moral support opening. The question is, where do we get the money to provide financial support. And Obama already said the first thing he would cut would be money designed for foreign support.
10:22: As opposed to anticipating something AFTER it happens?
10;23: Gee, I would have thought McCain says Yes.
10:25: Ooooooo. the Jewish vote is listening carefully.
10:26: Aw, c’mon, are we back to the preconditions thing?
10:27: So Obama is basically saying that we want to take steps to make sure Israel isn’t attacked by Iran. Which is fine. But WHAT IF IT IS? That’s the question. If the steps fail, what then?
10:29: He never answered the question.
10:30: Obama deflects the zen question with humor and switches to his stump speech.
10:31: I could see McCain saying, “I don’t know how we will survive if Obama is elected, and I intend to never have to learn it.”
10:34: Except the great honor of his life was to put himself first. Again, read the RS articles.
CONCLUSION: I think both of them got good shots in. To my mind, Obama gave the better performance, albeit narrowly, but I’ve no idea if anyone who is undecided would have been swayed one way or the other.
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What happened to “Drill, baby, drill?”
Obama is actually answering the “in what order?” question. McCain hedged it.
Obama is actually answering the “in what order?” question. McCain hedged it.
“…programs that don’t work.” A friend of mine is a teacher. No child left behind.
“…programs that don’t work.” A friend of mine is a teacher. No child left behind.
Yeah, but JFK had to die to give us the impetus to get to the moon.
Not to go too off-topic, but do you really think that we wouldn’t have made it to the moon had JFK lived? It never seemed to me that LBJ had any more of an agenda for that than JFK did.
Tom Brokaw should just give up on reminding them about the time limit. There’s no way the two of them combined will ever speak for less than 1 minute.
Tom Brokaw should just give up on reminding them about the time limit. There’s no way the two of them combined will ever speak for less than 1 minute.
Oh great, now I have the “Trouble” song with a slight modification in my head:
My friends, we got trouble. Right here in River City. We got trouble, which starts with “T” that rhymes with “P” that stands for “Palin.” Oh yes, my friends, we got trouble….
BTW, who decided a minute is enough for a discussion?? Not to mention thought they would be able to enforce it?
Oh great, now I have the “Trouble” song with a slight modification in my head:
My friends, we got trouble. Right here in River City. We got trouble, which starts with “T” that rhymes with “P” that stands for “Palin.” Oh yes, my friends, we got trouble….
BTW, who decided a minute is enough for a discussion?? Not to mention thought they would be able to enforce it?
Well, McCain definitely isn’t coming across as just an empty suit (though “my friends” is becoming tiresome). I don’t think Plain is necessarily incapable, just that her party has suddenly thrust her into a level which she hadn’t really even begun considering.
The partisan snipes aside (and not liking Obama’s, either – be above that) (oy – Obama’s invoking 9/11?), at least I’m not finding McCain unlistenably repugnant; been a while since I could say that about a top-level Republican politican.
Well, McCain definitely isn’t coming across as just an empty suit (though “my friends” is becoming tiresome). I don’t think Plain is necessarily incapable, just that her party has suddenly thrust her into a level which she hadn’t really even begun considering.
The partisan snipes aside (and not liking Obama’s, either – be above that) (oy – Obama’s invoking 9/11?), at least I’m not finding McCain unlistenably repugnant; been a while since I could say that about a top-level Republican politican.
“Remember the Maine, Plymouth Rock… “
McCain does.
“Hi, Wall Street…”
“Hi, Wall Street…”
Most shallow comment of the night from me:
It’s creeping me out seeing these guys take notes. They’re both lefties. How is it that south paws are taking over the country? It’s a conspiracy, I tell you!
Most shallow comment of the night from me:
It’s creeping me out seeing these guys take notes. They’re both lefties. How is it that south paws are taking over the country? It’s a conspiracy, I tell you!
Tom is going to have to cut them off in mid-response; no way they’re making the one-minute by themselves.
Obama is coming across as extremely presidential while McCain keeps trying to question Obama’s experience.
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Obama is coming across as extremely presidential while McCain keeps trying to question Obama’s experience.
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Southpaws unite! Ha, I say. HA.
Southpaws unite! Ha, I say. HA.
RAISE TAX! RAISE TAX!!
Down, Animal.
RAISE TAX! RAISE TAX!!
Down, Animal.
McCain just played the Hoover card. How old does a voter have to be to even *care* about a Hoover comparison?
Ahhh Rolling Stone? That wonderful magazine I stopped reading like 5 years ago because they were just SO even handed and unbiased in their reporting.
And that was regarding music groups.
Ahhh Rolling Stone? That wonderful magazine I stopped reading like 5 years ago because they were just SO even handed and unbiased in their reporting.
And that was regarding music groups.
“The strait talk express lost a wheel on that one.”
That was worth a minor chuckle, but it’s obviously a practiced zinger. It wasn’t even on something that’s a big, clear lie. He should have saved it for a better moment.
“The strait talk express lost a wheel on that one.”
That was worth a minor chuckle, but it’s obviously a practiced zinger. It wasn’t even on something that’s a big, clear lie. He should have saved it for a better moment.
He knows what the problems are? What are they McCain? Your election staff are all lobbyists!
He knows what the problems are? What are they McCain? Your election staff are all lobbyists!
Actually, I believe the last president who raised taxes during economic hard times was George H.W. Bush. Wasn’t McCain riding around in a golf cart with him recently?
Actually, I believe the last president who raised taxes during economic hard times was George H.W. Bush. Wasn’t McCain riding around in a golf cart with him recently?
Ah, the old “Democrats raise taxes” saw – blah. The “tax and spend” stereotype is less accurate than the “spend and spend” label which should be applied to recent Republican governance. [“Wonderful Ronald Reagan”? Well, maybe [i]some[/i] undecideds would buy…)
Ah, the old “Democrats raise taxes” saw – blah. The “tax and spend” stereotype is less accurate than the “spend and spend” label which should be applied to recent Republican governance. [“Wonderful Ronald Reagan”? Well, maybe [i]some[/i] undecideds would buy…)
94 times? Senator, Biden made it pretty clear in last week’s debate that that number is absurdly misleading. Time to trash that one.
94 times? Senator, Biden made it pretty clear in last week’s debate that that number is absurdly misleading. Time to trash that one.
Keating prospered under Reagan.
The “lost a wheel” comment was needed to steer the discussion back to McCain’s tax-attack.
It amazes me how many of these talking points are recycled from the last debate. Again with the “He voted to increase taxes 94 times” lie? Really? That’s been proven wrong, it’s been responded to in a debate, why is McCain saying it again?
It amazes me how many of these talking points are recycled from the last debate. Again with the “He voted to increase taxes 94 times” lie? Really? That’s been proven wrong, it’s been responded to in a debate, why is McCain saying it again?
There’s a huge difference between a nuclear power plant for a sub and one used to power a city. The differences in scale lead to large differences in the safety margin.
Granted, I think nuclear power should be discussed, but that’s a false dichotomy.
There’s a huge difference between a nuclear power plant for a sub and one used to power a city. The differences in scale lead to large differences in the safety margin.
Granted, I think nuclear power should be discussed, but that’s a false dichotomy.
Did anyone start a drinking game using “my friends” as the jumping point? If anyone did, I’ll bet they’re already tanked.
Wow, I actually agree with McCain on something involving science. I’m suprised to see that he also supports nuclear energy.
Wow, I actually agree with McCain on something involving science. I’m suprised to see that he also supports nuclear energy.
Nuclear waste isn’t deposited on Navy ships. That comment seemed goofy.
Nuclear waste isn’t deposited on Navy ships. That comment seemed goofy.
“..and the French do it…”
Not something that inspires confidence for me… Speaking as one who nearly had a nuclear power plant opened just a mile or so away from her.
“..and the French do it…”
Not something that inspires confidence for me… Speaking as one who nearly had a nuclear power plant opened just a mile or so away from her.
Whoops — that’s a minor gaffe. Obama meant the Internet there, not the computer.