The comedy stylings of John Kerry have provided something else to play into GOP hands besides congressional pages. They’re teeing off on his statement that lack of education “lands you in Iraq,” claiming that he was trash-talking the troops. Everyone knows that lack of supporting the troops has replaced social security as the third rail of politics. Kerry’s response is that he was making a misfired joke about the administration.
Who to believe? Well, putting aside my personal dislike for Bush and the fact that I voted for Kerry, let’s see what makes more sense: The notion that Kerry, who served in the armed forces, would be dissing the troops, or that Kerry, who despises Bush and Co., would be dissing the administration.
To quote that great pundit, Daffy Duck: Pronoun trouble. Displaying the comedic instincts of a California Redwood, Kerry SHOULD have said “we.” “We wind up in Iraq,” which would have made it at least somewhat clearer. Or if he insisted on “you,” then it becomes, “you wind up landing us in Iraq.” Something like that.
Considering word around the campfire is that “Studio 60” may be shutting down soon, perhaps Kerry can draft Aaron Sorkin to write some jokes for him.
PAD
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I think that kerry ran the most inept campaign ever…The campaign is your entrance exam. It’s the test you take to show you are smart enough for the job.
I have to disagree.
The campaign is most emphatically NOT an “entrance exam” for the Presidency. As Iraq, Katrina, et al, have shown, brilliance in the former does not translate in any way to even marginal competence in the latter.
The GOP is frighteningly competent at winning elections. The fact that this talent is largely based on negativity (character assassination, mudslinging, distortions, rallying voters through appeals to bigotry, etc) notwithstanding.
Unfortunately, when it comes to actually GOVERNING, the ability to throw massive amounts of feces at one’s political opponents is largely useless, and this administration doesn’t seem to have anything else up its collective sleeve.
As to whether or not Bush or kerry is smarter…I’ve long believed that when someone kicks your political ášš you should HOPE that they are smarter than you are. Otherwise you just got your ášš kicked by a moron.
But no one is saying that GWB himself is smarter than Kerry. Bush’s intelligence, or lack thereof, is completely irrelevant, at least to the results of the last two elections.
Karl Rove is another matter. I would rate his evil genius on a par with that of Doctor Doom.
“Yet it seems like I’m in very tiny minority. It seems as though both liberals and conservatives would rather continue to turn a blind eye to what’s wrong with “their guys” and an equally blind eye to what’s right with “the other guys.””
Well, I can’t speak for other liberals, but you’re posting on the blog of the guy who said, three months before the 2004 election, that Kerry had blown it by saying that, if he had it to do all over again, knowing now what he did then, he’d still have voted for Bush to go into Iraq. That he had just erased any reason for people to see him as an alternative to Bush, and therefore Bush was going to win, period, end of discussion. And I’ve expressed great frustration with the Democrats on numerous occasions.
The report is that the joke WAS scripted for Kerry and it read something like, “You know what happens if you don’t do your home work and don’t study in school? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq.”
Which is basically what I said it should be if he wanted to use “you” in the sentence. Nice to know my comedy instincts are solid.
PAD
Bill Mulligan: “If he had just one more semester! But, life is what it is and he will just have to live with having a lower GPA than George Bush. You snooze, you lose. Maybe he should have used himself as an example to the students.”
Which completely ignores the very relevant point. In regards to grades, Kerry peaked higher than Bush. End of story and end of your dismissal of intelligence.
Bill Mulligan: “The campaign is your entrance exam. It’s the test you take to show you are smart enough for the job. He flunked, spctacularly.”
Spectacularly? Really? How close was that election again? Furthermore, the results of a campaign can be used to measure intelligence now? Absolute nonsense. Seriously, that is simply absurd “logic”.
Someone back up there said: “Traditionally, the strong left is not a fan of the military.”
To which I can only ask, what would an American know about the “strong left”? In any other western democracy, the average Democrat would be a centrist, and some would be center-right. You don’t have a left any more, because the last 25 years have seen the right-wingers dragging politics and discourse farther and farther right. You can barely see the center, and the left is way behind, out of sight.
>Posted by: lucasb at November 1, 2006 01:22 PM
>But no one is saying that GWB himself is smarter than Kerry. Bush’s intelligence, or lack thereof, is completely irrelevant, at least to the results of the last two elections.
See below.
>>Posted by: Bill Mulligan at November 1, 2006 09:33 AM
>Because–and I know this hurts–he’s smarter than Kerry. Faint praise but there you are.
Dispite providing this piece of Bill’s to respond to your erroneous statement, I can say without a moment’s hesitation that Bill is smarter than both of the two mentioned above.
Posted by: Peter David at November 1, 2006 01:35 PM
Well, I can’t speak for other liberals, but you’re posting on the blog of the guy who said, three months before the 2004 election, that Kerry had blown it by saying that, if he had it to do all over again, knowing now what he did then, he’d still have voted for Bush to go into Iraq. That he had just erased any reason for people to see him as an alternative to Bush, and therefore Bush was going to win, period, end of discussion. And I’ve expressed great frustration with the Democrats on numerous occasions.
Fair enough. When I referred to “the liberals in this thread” I was making an overly broad generalization and I apologize. I likewise apologize for making overly broad generalizations about conservatives.
Nevertheless, I believe the “circling the wagons” mentality is pervasive, and probably the majority pattern these days. I find it frustrating. Still, that’s no excuse for stereotyping.
Posted by: Peter David at November 1, 2006 01:35 PM
The report is that the joke WAS scripted for Kerry and it read something like, “You know what happens if you don’t do your home work and don’t study in school? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq.”
Which is basically what I said it should be if he wanted to use “you” in the sentence. Nice to know my comedy instincts are solid.
I didn’t realize there was any question that your comedy instincts were solid. Years ago, you wrote a satirical piece about the “Sabretooth slur” (for those who are unaware: I’m referring to a mishap involving an issue of Wolverine years ago where the word “killer” was accidentally replaced with an ethnic slur pertaining to Jews) in the Comics Buyers Guide that caused me to laugh so hard my spleen came out of my nose.
Well? What are you gonna do about replacing my spleen?
The campaign is most emphatically NOT an “entrance exam” for the Presidency. As Iraq, Katrina, et al, have shown, brilliance in the former does not translate in any way to even marginal competence in the latter.
Didn’t say it was a good entrance exam. The SAT’s may not reflect actual smarts either, but you may not get what you want without a good score. That’s how it is.
The Democrats can continue to nominate people who have no ability to get people to vote for them, if they wish to spend a lot of time watching Republicans take the oath of office. Until someone comes up with a new system the ability to campaign will continue to be the only valid test of ability.
Which completely ignores the very relevant point. In regards to grades, Kerry peaked higher than Bush. End of story and end of your dismissal of intelligence.
I would never dismiss intelligence. It is Kerry I take lightly.
Showing improvement may give one a warm feeling inside but for most people it’s the end result that matters. Hëll, maybe we’ll have people come forward and claim that Bush took extra hard courses so his keeping a C average was better than getting an A in an easy course…we at Washigton University used to tell ourselves that a C there was worth an A at most schools. Yeah, you come up with all sorts of great lines when you drink enough beer.
Anyway, Kerry’s grades wouldn’t have been such a big deal if his supporters hadn’t tried to make such a big deal out of his (in retrospect) rather modest gifts. Having it turn out that he had a LOWER average than the guy they had portrayed as possibly the Dumbest Man Not In A Coma…well, c’mon, you have to appreciate the irony.
To which I can only ask, what would an American know about the “strong left”? In any other western democracy, the average Democrat would be a centrist, and some would be center-right. You don’t have a left any more, because the last 25 years have seen the right-wingers dragging politics and discourse farther and farther right. You can barely see the center, and the left is way behind, out of sight.
Our right wingers aren’t much compared to the average European’s either. Yep, when it comes to political extremism Europe has us whipped. Oh well, our loss is our gain.
Actually, something occured to me in this with what PAD said in his original posting:
“Kerry SHOULD have said “we.””
That actually ruins the whole joke (aside from the fact that Kerry blew it).
If Kerry said “we end up in Iraq”, then he’s insulting his own intelligence by including himself in the target of the joke.
Kerry said “you”, in reference to Bush, since he wasn’t making himself a target of the joke.
So, he was correct in what he said. What he should’ve done is said “You get stuck in Iraq, just like Bush”.
Oh, I think your extremist right wingers can be pretty proud of Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, the whole dámņ Iraq war, and getting rid of habeus corpus, for a start.
Oh, and there’s more to the western world than the USA and Europe.
But through it all Amricans never lost their sense of humor…
http://www.620wtmj.com/images/uploaded/Help%20Photo20061101105508.JPG
If this had been Bill Clinton he would have already turned it into a self depreciating joke that would have diffused the anger. It’s probably too late now.
Okay, there was something said above that gets right up my left nostril, every time I hear it.
Listen up, folks.
We. Are. NOT. At. War.
Sure, our President has committed our forces to fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, and his loyal lapdogs in Congress lack the testicular fortitude to call him on it, but –
The US Constitution says that CONGRESS gets to declare war. Not the President. That’s why FDR had to use outrage over the Pearl Harbor attack, and the fact that Japan had signed a treaty with Germany, to get the US involved in WWII. He couldn’t do it himself – it took Congress.
That’s why Vietnam wasn’t fought as a war – and believe it, if Nixon had had the power to declare war on his own, the Ho Chi Minh Trail would have been reduced to glowing slag.
Congress gave Bush authorization to use force to pursue those responsible for the 9/11 attacks – and Bush and his backers (I blame the backers more, as I doubt Bush is smart enough to have thought of this on his own) parlayed that into an undeclared “war” in Iraq.
BUT CONGRESS NEVER ISSUED A DECLARATION OF A STATE OF WAR.
Of course, little things like the Constitution don’t seem to matter much in today’s political climate…
If this country is one botched joke away from leaving the government as is then I don’t blame Kerry. If we let this rule the day we deserve whatever knuckledragging puppet show we get as a Congress.
The “joke” should have been “study hard or you’ll end up being ignorant like the fool who got us stuck in Iraq and brags about his lousy GPA”.
The apology is “anyone who would insult the troops is an ášš. I didn’t and I wouldn’t. THey wish to hëll I did so they would have a straw to grasp at before we kick their áššëš down to minority party status.”
Lots more use of the word “ášš” from the Democrats, I say. Shows the gloves are off and goes with the whole donkey motif. Ðámņ thing’s a WWE sdeshow anyway – time to grab a chair and start swinging back!
“How do you view Senator Kerry’s remark?
A deliberate insult 58%
A botched joke 34%
I’m not sure 9%”
I’d be willing to bet that most of that 58% voted for Bush instead of Kerry in the last election. I doubt this is a case of people being stupid enough to believe that Kerry would insult the troops. This is probably a case of people being stupid enough to believe anything that fits with the view of Kerry that they already had, regardless of the details.
Posted by Bill Mulligan at November 1, 2006 02:41 PM
Didn’t say it was a good entrance exam.
True. In fact, it is a very, very poor entrance exam, to the point of being essentially worthless.
As has been amply demonstrated.
SAT’s measure (imperfectly) one’s intelligence and ability to correctly answer test questions, both of which are highly relevant to completing a college education.
The correlation between successfully conducting an election campaign, and successfully carrying out the duties of the Presidency, is FAR more tenuous.
A better comparison might be the use of a popularity contest as a determination for eligibilty to attend a prestigious university.
But through it all Amricans never lost their sense of humor…
Well, thankfully not. Here’s a wonderful take on something we should be far more upset about. 🙂
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/uc/20061101/ltt061101.gif
Posted by: Jonathan (the other one) at November 1, 2006 02:58 PM
We. Are. NOT. At. War.
No. That’s false.
According to the Microsoft Encarta dictionary, war is “an an armed conflict between countries or groups that involves killing and destruction.” The armed conflicts we are waging in Iraq and Afghanistan meet that definition.
You are conflating the legal mechanism for declaring war with the reality of waging it.
Please note I never said we were engaged in a war legally declared by Congress. I merely said we are at war.
Dumb question:
What does “GOP” stand for? What is it’s role? Is it equivalent to the Lower House of Parliament (in a bi-cameral system), or is it something different?
“Congress gave Bush authorization to use force to pursue those responsible for the 9/11 attacks – and Bush and his backers (I blame the backers more, as I doubt Bush is smart enough to have thought of this on his own) parlayed that into an undeclared “war” in Iraq.
BUT CONGRESS NEVER ISSUED A DECLARATION OF A STATE OF WAR.”
And even if we had been officially at war with Iraq, didn’t Bush declare “mission accomplished”.
There was a time that would have suggested that the war was over. Just a thought.
JAC
What does “GOP” stand for?
Grand Old Party.
No, I didn’t know off the top of my head, I used Wiki. Personally, I find it an an anachronism, as the Republicans today don’t really qualify as ‘grand’. 🙂
Wasn’t regime change in Iraq official U.S. policy since… when was that again? Anyone? Bueller?
“Grand Old Party” was also coined as an ironic statement, given that the Republicans were only about a generation old at the time, youngsters compared to the Democrats, or the dearly departed Federalist and Whig parties.
For those for whom the above link doesn’t work, you can see the same image here: http://www.drudgereport.com/irak.jpg
Bill Mulligan: “The Democrats can continue to nominate people who have no ability to get people to vote for them”
Again, how close was the last presidential election? How about the one before that?
Bill Mulligan: “I would never dismiss intelligence. It is Kerry I take lightly.”
Few people rise to the position that either George Bush or John Kerry have. How much of the vote in the last presidential election did Kerry garner again? Anyone who can rally such a large percentage of voters is worth taking seriously. And yes, I apply this whether the individual in question is Republican or Democrat.
Bill Mulligan: “Showing improvement may give one a warm feeling inside but for most people it’s the end result that matters.”
End result: Kerry peaked at a higher grade level than Bush. You hold a one point grade point average difference up as proof that Bush is smarter than Kerry? But that proof falls apart under even casual scrutiny.
End result: Kerry peaked at a higher grade level than Bush. You hold a one point grade point average difference up as proof that Bush is smarter than Kerry? But that proof falls apart under even casual scrutiny.
No, I don’t hold up Bush’s GPA as proof that he is smarter than Kerry. But Those who chortled over Bush’s grades while Kerry’s were hidden certainly don’t look so bright now, do they?
How Kerry did in college is of no relevance at all, really. Too bad his supporters set him up for the fall (Kerry would have been smart to have maybe toned down the rhetoric–maybe said something along the lines of “It really doesn’t matter how the two of us did in our classes in Yale. What really matters is how far we have grown since then.” or something to that effect.)
The fact that Kerry’s dwindling band of defenders STILL try to spin his grades as indicative of some level of superiority shows just how deeply the revelation of his sub-Bush achievement cut. Again, it’s no big deal…except to those who made it one.
When I say that Kerry ran an incompetant campaign I mean it. The reasone he lost were so easily avoidable. Go back and reread some of what was written and said back then, there was a palpable sense of amazement at how he was blowing it. I could pick 5 people off of this board who would have almost undoubtedly done a better job of getting the message out than the so-called professionals did in the Kerry campaign. And for a lot of folks, seeing such rank incompetance doesn’t inspire the kind of confidence that induces one to go cast a vote to put that person in charge.
Just flipping through channels as I sit here waiting for my wife to come home so we can figure out what to do for dinner. Happened to zip past Fox News, then thought I’d look in to see what THEY said was happening. Cavuto had on four people with kids in Iraq and they were all pounding on Kerry for his statement. Then one of them said something that I thought was telling. He said that even had he directed the line at the president, THAT would be disrespecting the troops. Now, i thought that was interesting. Kind of like no matter WHAT gets said it deserves vilification if its against, you know, anything. It reminds me a little of the Captain Underpants thread, where someone who will remain nameless(but we all know who it is) was taking every post as being directed RIGHT AT HIM.
Some people walk around with this air of “He’s the president, everything he does is right and anything anyone else does is wrong.” No matter who he is, the president, to borrow a phrase from Adams,(Douglas, not John)is “just this guy, y’know?” I’d love to see something Bush has said picked apart this much and have everyone and their mothers demanding an apology.
The reason Bush doesn’t get hung by his gaffs the way Kerry gets hung by “If you don’t [study hard], you get stuck in Iraq,” is because democrats don’t offer obvious summaries of their positions. I said as much last year.
In their own self-interest, the conservatives here disagreed this was the case. The liberals, including Peter, refused to believe it also. The obvious thesis is what shelters Bush. It’s a shelter the liberals refuse to occupy.
Posted by: Sean Scullion at November 1, 2006 04:28 PM
It reminds me a little of the Captain Underpants thread, where someone who will remain nameless(but we all know who it is) was taking every post as being directed RIGHT AT HIM.
HUH? WAS THAT A CRACK AT ME? HUH? WAS IT?
And I want my blue sock back, you bášŧárd.
🙂
Eeeesh! Calm down, Bill! I was actually talking someone else who was reacting just like you did now actually at everything YOU said.
And as long as I hold the sock, I AM IN CONTROL!
Or rather, THE CLOTHESPIN ON MY NOSE IS IN CONTROL!
Sort of like how a group of defensive white guys will jump on you if you compare something one of them said to the Merriam-Webster definition of genocide.
Posted by: SeanScullion at November 1, 2006 05:12 PM
Eeeesh! Calm down, Bill! I was actually talking someone else who was reacting just like you did now actually at everything YOU said.
I know. I was just kidding. 🙂
And as long as I hold the sock, I AM IN CONTROL!
Or rather, THE CLOTHESPIN ON MY NOSE IS IN CONTROL!
I told you to burn that dámņ thing.
Anyhoo…
With regards to the respective intellectual skills of Kerry and Bush, I think people are forgetting that “intellect” can comprise a number of different cognitive skills. John Kerry is a highly analytical person, and this has its advantages. Unfortunately, highly analytical people are sometimes more indecisive than your average Joe because they see more dimensions of a problem than the rest of us do. It’s also been my experience that highly analytical people often lack “people skills.” Hence, John Kerry is a smart man but a poor political candidate.
George W. Bush has “people skills,” to be sure. He’s also not very analytical, and is thus quick to make up his mind and to act. Hence, George W. Bush was a fair-to-middling political candidate (a stronger opponent may have torn him to shreds, I suspect) but an appallingly poor leader who has made some awful decisions with tragic consequences for this nation.
Really great leaders tend to have the ability to analyze a situation, but know when to stop thinking and start acting. And they have the communicative gifts to persuade others to follow.
Seriously, if you combine George W. Bush with John Kerry, you get an almost acceptable president. An ugly one, mind you, but an almost acceptable one.
It reminds me a little of the Captain Underpants thread, where someone who will remain nameless(but we all know who it is) was taking every post as being directed RIGHT AT HIM.
Sort of like how a group of defensive white guys will jump on you if you compare something one of them said to the Merriam-Webster definition of genocide.
The Goddess of Irony smiles upon us once again.
meanwhile, Kerry issued a real apology: “I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative about those in uniform and I personally apologize to any service member, family member or American who was offended.”
That wasn’t so hard, now was it? Hopefully people will lay off now. Apologies should be respected if sincere and I have no doubt that he is genuinely sorry.
I don’t know who the bigger idiots are out there. Are they the people who want to claim that Kerry slammed the troops (even after seeing the 45 seconds or so of Bush knocking before/leading into his joke) or the writers who thought that Kerry could pull of a joke like.
Bill Mulligan, I wasn’t going to take this as a line referring to me, because it wasn’t observably true for me. If you want to cite an exchange in that thread, please do so.
Bill, you know there are serious consequences for burning that kind of waste, don’t you?
I have to agree with Sean, Bill Mulligan. You are way better off admitting you signed a check with your mouth your butt couldn’t cash.
If this one little thing winds up causing the Republicans to maintain control of both chambers of Congress I have no idea what I’m going to wind up doing in my state of extreme emotional distress but I can virtually guarantee it won’t be pleasant.
Only masochists or psychopaths actually want to be in Iraq right now, and the military has been lowering its standards on who it will accept for a while now, meaning that it’s one of the few jobs some people are qualified for. So yes, if you drop out of school you just may wind up “stuck in Iraq.” Describing it as an undesirable fate, as Kerry did, is not blasphemy or anything. Seems like even the slightest little thing gets blown out of proportion these days whenever anybody refers to the military.
Near the beginning of this year, Joel Stein wrote a column in which he stated his belief that saying “I support the troops but I don’t support the war” is a copout. I partially agree with him. Me, I do not support the war and I do not support anybody who believes the war is right. If some of the troops believe the war is right even today, then I say fûçk them. They aren’t deserving of my support, respect or the planet’s oxygen.
Unless someone has better information, Studio 60 is still being aired.
http://publications.mediapost.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.showArticleHomePage&art_aid=50417
And for the original source, you can thank Druge Report for yet more quality reporting…
Only masochists or psychopaths actually want to be in Iraq right now
I’m still trying to decide between those which one my brother is.
No-one went after Rumsfeld for *his* remarks about the soldiers in Iraq
Don’t forget “You go to war with the army you have, not the army you want”. There’s a statement that truly insults the troops.
Supporting the troops by opposing the war is not a copout. Every soldier takes an oath to place the constitution above his own life, and it isn’t done casually. That dedication is being squandered to feed the insurgency. It’s simply the conservation of an endangered national resource.
I’m not sure why it would be stupid for people to think Kerry is dissing the troops. After all, he did make this comment on Face the Nation back on Dec. 4, 2005:
KERRY: And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the–of–the historical customs, religious customs. Whether you like it or not…
SCHIEFFER: Yeah.
Sen. KERRY: …Iraqis should be doing that.
I’m sure Kerry would maintain that he was criticizing Bush, but for such a sweeping statement to be true, Bush would have to be micromanaging the war to the extent that terrorizing the entire civilian population is official policy, something a soldier would be thrown out of the military for *not* doing.
We’d also be seeing a lot of more of those Haditha-style controversies — the Haditha incident took place around the time of Kerry’s remarks and might be what he was referring to. But we’re not. Those incidents are so rare that the only explanation is insubordination on the part of the soldier.
Is Kerry really saying that most of our soldiers are ticking time bombs? Sounds like it — maybe Kerry views today’s soldiers as the same sort of soldiers he served with (and later denounced) in Vietnam. Who knows but Kerry himself?
I’m not sure why Kerry thinks its OK for *Iraqis* to terrorize kids and women in the dead of night, but that’s a different headache, and one I’m not going to invite upon myself.
However, if the argument is that Kerry would never slander the troops because he used to be in the military, then that requires explaining the situation of Congressman John Murtha, a veteran and the Democrats’ point-man in the House when it comes to anti-war talk. After all, he did pronounce the soldiers accused in the Haditha incident guilty while the military investiagtion was still taking place, calling it a “massacre.” You would think a veteran would respect the military enough not to play judge and jury on matters the military has yet to settle.
At any rate, I don’t think it’s stupid to question Kerry on this. Maybe it was an ineptly delivered joke. Who knows? Still, that would mean that Kerry’s “Bush is dumb” crack had the end result of making Kerry himself look dumb.
And this is good how, exactly?
-Dave OConnell
SeanScullion:
And as long as I hold the sock, I AM IN CONTROL!
Or rather, THE CLOTHESPIN ON MY NOSE IS IN CONTROL!
Bill Myers
I told you to burn that dámņ thing.
SeanScullion:
Bill, you know there are serious consequences for burning that kind of waste, don’t you?
MikeMcTroll:
I have to agree with Sean, Bill Mulligan. You are way better off admitting you signed a check with your mouth your butt couldn’t cash.
Um…unless I’m really misreading things, Sean was in no way commenting about you. Or me. He was having a funny exchange with Bill Myers, which you somehow thought was about you. Which is so funny on so many levels.
What a sad, humorless little man you are. Now listen carefully, Mike. I’m going to ignore you. Again. And every post you make trying to get me to not ignore you will make you look ever more sad and pathetic. You can feel free to aim one more post at me so you can have the last word–which is obviously very important to you for whatever reasons there are that made you what you are. Say what you wish. Make it a challenge so you can pretend I backed down before your protean wisdom. Whatever. You’re good for a laugh but the joke gets old with the constant retelling.
Even as a Republican, I don’t think Kerry meant to deliberately slam troops in the field. I also don’t really buy the “botched joke” – like it was something pre-planned. I think he tried to make a tongue-in-cheek jest and it blew up in his face. His mistake was not admitting the screw-up and apologizing quicker.
On the flip side, Limbaugh apologized to Michael J. Fox within the same broadcast of his off-the-cuff comment, and no one paid attention to that apology either.
Maybe this was a Rovian stroke by Kerry after all. He lays out the line, gets in the administration’s face for days – shoring up his anti-war credentials – then finally apologizes.
Of course, I doubt Kerry is that smart, either. 🙂
Uh, yeah, I can thread quotes too, Bill Mulligan.
The mistake to deny is still yours, unsurprisingly.
Mike, first off, I’M the one that said that, not Bill Mulligan. I mean, confusing the Bills between Myers and Mulligan is one thing, but I’m not Bill. And second, the waste I was talking about burning was Bill Myers’ blue sock that I told him I had in the Presidential News Conference thread.
Second off, if I attirbuted something to you that you didn’t say, Iapologize. I kind of stopped reading your posts after you toquote Clesse went a bit silly.
I’m not a Kerry fan. I’ve always found his behavior like a spoiled brat out of touch with everyday folk. I cannot get past believing his military service was little more than his crossing an item off his “how to get elected” checklist. I’ve always sensed he had a pathological hatred of military and intelligence. So I hope he gets raked over the coals for his “botched joke” (sic) every which way but loose and through every given Sunday.
I’m more interested in how much Kerry will be blamed for single handedly and in no more than 40 words wiped out the election efforts of the Democratic candidates. For me, I think he has seriously done damage to more than a few candidates and I think he deserves not just the hatred of millions of service personnel but millions more in his own party.
Kerry really is a turd.
There, I said it.
On the flip side, Limbaugh apologized to Michael J. Fox within the same broadcast of his off-the-cuff comment, and no one paid attention to that apology either.
His apology was just as ‘off-the-cuff’ as his original remarks, and he immediately followed it up with even *more* insults of Fox.
At least Kerry had the good sense not to do that with his apology to the troops today.
So, you tell me, who’s the better man? It certainly isn’t Limbaugh.
When’s the last time Bush apologized for ANYTHING?
Just finished watching another Special Comment from Keith Olbermann. Once again, it was spot on: Bush is the one that needs to be apologizing to our troops, and to this country.
So, you tell me, who’s the better man? It certainly isn’t Limbaugh.
I wouldn’t say that he was. Limbaugh ceased being entertaining to me over 10 years ago. I just find him (and most of the national talk-radio circuit) to just be sad people who like to hear themselves talk too much.
Kinda like most politicians 🙂
Sean, so you climbed through the tubes of the internet to Bill Mulligan’s computer, to match:
with:
Is that right?
On the flip side, Limbaugh apologized to Michael J. Fox within the same broadcast of his off-the-cuff comment, and no one paid attention to that apology either.
I will bigly, hugely admit that I was wrong, and I will apologize to Michael J. Fox if I am wrong in characterizing his behavior on this commercial as an act, especially since people are telling me they have seen him this way on other interviews and in other television appearances
Please note the modifier if (emphasis mine). Not much of an apology.