Yes, you all know who he is. I will now respond to the two questions he’s been howlingly repeating because, y’know…why not? And the rub of it is, he probably won’t understand either answer.
Response number one: The fact that I have not disagreed with his assessment of my veracity is not an indicator that what he says has worth. Rather, it’s an indicator of my belief that his opinion of me is, in fact, worthless.
Response number two: He has demanded to know how any of our individual lives are hurt or worsened because of the actions of George W. Bush…a man who needlessly launched a war that’s resulted in the deaths of 1600+ Americans and thousands upon thousands of innocent Iraqis. The answer is quite simple:
“No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of they friends or of thine own were; any man’s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.”
–John Donne
And thus am I Donne with the clod.
PAD
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If I said you murdered your own mother or eat rocks for lunch every day, you’d give specifics that would prove me wrong. Since you chose instead to change the subject, I’ll just say … thank you for admitting you are a liar!
As for the rest of your post, you can site irrelevant quotations, but you STILL cannot name one single solitary SPECIFIC way that Bush has made your own life worse!
But rather than admit I am right, you obfuscate. Typical liberal.
Guess what, “PAD”? I am not going away! You’re “Donne” with me? Funny — for a pun, the lowest form of humor. But I’ll be testing that claim in the months to come. I have no doubt it’s another one of your lies.
So, my question about all of this is – are we going to see some classic villains in the new Spider-Man comic? I’ve been out of the game for a while, so I don’t know if The Vulture is viable anymore, but I think it’d be cool to see him.
Of course, new characters are wholly welcome (and somewhat expected).
Wow, talk about someone who needs to get a life. Hey, X-Ray, it is summer, time to come out of the basement and enter life. Or do you specifically enjoy making an ášš of yourself in this forum?
I will be happy to answer how the BushCo. War has changed my life: people I know have died in Iraq because of his rush to war, his inability to stabilize the country, and his simplistic approach to foreign policy. How’s that? An answer enough for you? Or how about this: he had to spend time reading your ranting posts, which has come about because of his view of Bush and your mindless rants. That would make anyones life worse.
I invite you to come visit our site, usually a Macintosh publication, but we do have writer’s blogs in which both the liberal and fanatic, I mean, conservative viewpoints are argued. We would love to have you, as our writers will be sure to spend the time to HAMMER your childish and naïve viewpoints into the ground.
“And thus am I Donne with the clod.”
Well Donne, Peter! Try as he might, there’s is no recovery from that.
Mark
Someone said, “People I know have died in Iraq because of his rush to war.”
Were these people forced to join the military by Bush, or did they volunteer?
They volunteered.
Did they have any inkling that when they joined the military, they might one day go to war, no matter WHO was President?
Of course. Bush did not invent war.
Were they ashamed of their service in Iraq, or proud?
I’d imagine they were proud.
Finally .. what “rush” to war? It took well over a year to “rush” to war!
As for the rest of your post, you can site irrelevant quotations, but you STILL cannot name one single solitary SPECIFIC way that Bush has made your own life worse!
Well, I know this doesn’t effect PAD but…
Bush pulled the law that made close captioning on ALL television shows mandatory. The only shows required to do CC now are news and educational programs. Most networks are still doing it volintarily (some with corporate sponsorship). This is one area where I must actually praise Fox for keeping captioning on The Simpson… (and in true Matt Groening style sometimes actually hiding new jokes. You’re missing out! Ha-ha.)
Though, as a hearing impaired person the few networks/shows that decide not caption anymore… it effects me suverely. Not only that and when I’m in school it REALLY pìššëš øff the woman in apartment above me and the guy next to me if I watch some shows after 8 pm.
And for me that’s the tip of the iceberg.
I can see how that might be annoying, but I really don’t think it’s a basis on which to judge a President. Or to say BUSH SUCKS, as Mr. David is wont to do.
If it’s REALLY the tip of the iceberg, then why not tell us your “big” beef with Bush?
“The fact that I have not disagreed with his assessment of my veracity is not an indicator that what he says has worth. Rather, it’s an indicator of my belief that his opinion of me is, in fact, worthless.”
An excellent strategy, President Dukakis!
NOTE FROM YOUR EVER-PATIENT HOST: Hi, folks. PAD here. Just so no one gets confused, I did a fast check and the posting herein is just the village idiot posting under another name. Typical troll strategy–create fake IDs to make it seem he has allies.
I’ll be the first to admit that I do not follow politics. But I seem to recall A LOT of people talking about Clinton trying to cover up the Lewinski thing by sending troops where they didn’t belong.
I’ve lost friends who went off to war in Iraq as well, and other military friends I have who have come back to the states since agree that the war was not necessary and that keeping the troops in Iraq for an indefinite amount of time only adds unease to the Iraqi people.
And how can we forget about those who returned home, thinking they had finished their call of duty only to be called back overseas a few days or weeks later because Bush went into Iraq without a feasible plan for getting out once he went in and therefore must keep most of the military in for as long as possible.
What PAD is trying to say, X-Ray, is that the death of the 1600+ Americans and countless Iraqis have made his life worse off because he is compassionate (You conservatives know what compassion is, right? It’s that thing W. cliams to have but really doesn’t) and cares about others.
“Keeping the troops in Iraq for an indefinite amount of time only adds unease to the Iraqi people.”
Is that why the Iraq’s new, democratically-elected government recently asked those same troops to STAY for another year?
By the way, thank you Mr. David for pointing out that I posted under the name Peter Porker. I did it just to get you to comment, which you did! You statement that you are “Donne with me” lasted about 45 minutes.
Another lie, from a liar who has yet to defend himself from the charge. Because he knows it’s true!
“The death of the 1600+ Americans and countless Iraqis have made [David’s] life worse off because he is compassionate.”
Yet he doesn’t seem to have any compassion for Bush.
Maybe it’s what you’d call “selective compassion.”
It’s reserved for those who agree with Mr. David.
Hey Peter David!
I thought you were “Donne” with me!
So why did you make a comment under my “alias” post, then quickly REVISE that comment to make it even more nasty?
I thought you were “Donne” with me!
Guess it’s just another lie to you.
“whom the bell tolls” is a pretty awesome song. X-Ray should just chill and listen to “Ride the Lightning”. Much more productive use of time.
Peter, I advise you to just ignore “X-Ray” here. You should be all too familiar with how trolls work–they just want to get a rise out of their targets, in this case, you. Unfortunately, you’ve already played right into his/her plan by making a whole new post about him, and then pointing out the “Peter Porker” thing. There are a lot of idiots out there, but if you ignore them, they might lose interest and just go away on their own. Or, more to the point, ignore them because you shouldn’t really care about what they say.
I hate that people like x-ray can make me change my whole way of thinking. But he/she/it is such an ášš-hølë, and goes about things all wrong, that there is NO WAY I can comment anymore because I would hate for people to think that I am anything like that.
My brother was so scared of going to Iraq he had a breakdown and killed himself. Bush killed my brother.
“I’ll be the first to admit that I do not follow politics. But I seem to recall A LOT of people talking about Clinton trying to cover up the Lewinski thing by sending troops where they didn’t belong.”
Oh, yeah. The R’s and their mouthpeices screamed to the heavens from every radio and TV show they could everytime Clinton did anything because it was to cover for Monica. And Clinton, to his discredit, backed down to the public opinion created by the conservative echo chamber. The funny thing is that now the same people who screamed about “no war for Monica” are the same ones who sit on their fat backsides on radio and TV, pop a few pills and say over and over that Clinton has to shoulder a huge chunk of blame for 9/11 because he didn’t do anything/enough.
Clinton could get bad intel and bomb a building that was near a terrorist HQ rather then the HQ itself a block away and it was, “to cover Monicagate and get it off the front page of the papers and off the evening news.”
Bush can start a war on fixed intel, call it bad intel and the same voices claim that it’s all good because we went in for the right reasons, we’re Americans, we have God on our side, our God is bigger and stronger then theirs and, hey, it’s all Clintons fault anyhow because he screwed up the intel people so much while Prez that bush was just an inocent victim in this…
Please.
Found a picture of x-ray:
http://speedo.ca/albums/sweet/789603_1.thumb.jpg
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Yet he doesn’t seem to have any compassion for Bush.
With you as a supporter I guess bush needs all the compassion he can get.
Way to shake spear and rattle saber. Talk about “sound and fury” but you may have aimed just a little high and maybe should have instead quoted from “My Favorite Bathtime Gurgles”
so, Jerry–you admit Clinton bombed the wrong building?
Clinton bombed an aspirin factory to take attention off Monica. People died. But so what, it’s OK because Clinton is a Democrat, right? BUSH SUCKS!
While I completely disagree with the slant PAD puts on the war and on Bush, I am disgusted with the posts that caused him to respond as he did. I find PAD’s thoughts challenging and helpful, whether I agree or not. So for what it is worth coming from a Bush supporting conservative, hang in there PAD.
Iowa Jim
Again, to show how Bush messed stuff up…
A repost of my post from another thread. Also, my last to X-Ray. I’ll argue with somebody who can give solid ideas and can maybe change my point of veiw on some things or have theirs changed by me. But at this point X has only shown that he can come up with name calling and saying over and over that Bush won, got lots of votes and anyone who doesn’t like Bush, despite constant sourcing of acts done by bush, lies told by Bush, preplanning of this war to almost ten years ago now and many other facts, only says, “Bush sucks” and responds to that.
I won’t spend anymore time on a 12 year old acting like he knows something either.
Bye bye, X-Ray
“Actually, we did tell you how it made our lives worse. It’s because we care about our country. We care about what the people who are in the highest offices do to/with our country as a whole and to the heart of its values. We care about what people do to the image and soul of our country. I guess that concept is beyond you. From your comments above demanding that it must be in some we directly impacting our day to day lives or $$$ rather then the country as a whole I can understand why. You are the perfect example of the modern neo-con. You’re too greedy and “me” focused to see something like that. So long as you think you’re getting what you want you could care less about anything or anyone else. Including the country it seems. I got mine and screw everyone else.
Sorry, but some of us kept growing after the second grade and learned that being a good American sometimes means putting the greater good above your own greed or wants. Too bad you didn’t seem to do so as well.”
Terrific, no thoughts on the finales of LOST and ALIAS, but (soon to be) hundreds of posts about the latest political pìššìņg contest. Joy.
In the meantime, if you want to see a comic book showing dinosaurs attacking Noah’s ark (“This event is NOT a fable and NOT a “myth”… It is a verifiable scientific FACT!”) go to http://www.livejournal.com/users/theferrett/519211.html
Oy…
“So, Jerry–you admit Clinton bombed the wrong building?”
Yeah, I thought I made that clear. We got intel that had the HQ on the wrong block. It wasn’t like Clinton cherrypicked intel to bomb the wrong place, declare success and, a year plus later, lost 1,600 men just to point a few difs out. Plus, Clinton even admitted the mistake. When was the last time Bush did the same thing rather then say it was somebody elses fault or have a scapegoat to sacrifice?
Okay, we’ll forget about the Iraq war, where I would imagine there are several thousand National Guard and reservists who certainly didn’t volunteer to be there. Or former soldiers being called back in under the stop-loss program, who already did there time and are definitely not volunteering to go back.
Let’s see, how about cutting off federal funding for stem cell research, a move that is not even sitting well with Bush’s own party?
How about continuing to reject the Kyoto accord, which most of the world has signed on to, even though we as Americans are producing a disproportionate amount of the Earth’s greenhouse gases?
How about promoting No Children Left Behind, and then cooking the books in Texas so that high school drop-outs are reclassified so as not to appear as drop-outs thus giving the mistaken impression that the figures are actually lower? That same system is being used in umemployment figures by the way, which only reflects people collecting unemployment, disregarding the people whose benefits ran out months, or even years ago.
How about supposedly supporting right to life and pontificating about how life is sacred, ignoring the number of people who were executed in Texas while Bush was governer?
While I’m happy to invite debate from other people on this site, I should also point out that every post, good bad or annoying that I’ve ever made here has been under my own name. While it would be awfully easy to retreat behind an assumed name (or maybe even two!) at least I have enough courage in my convictions to stand behind them as myself. Something to think about.
X-Ray, yo.
It’s not worth it. Seriously. It just isn’t. What’s the point? Bunch of random postings on a random msg board making yourself angrier and angrier? Where does it end? What happens?
Nothing. Zlich. Nadda. Zip. Eventually, you get IP banned from the site and you can’t post anymore. Game over, man. Game over.
Now I’m not gonna say “Move out of the basement, blah blah blah” or anything. But, seriously, take a deep breath and just consider what you’re doing and how ultimately pointless and futile it all is. Making all these posts is not going to change the world, its not going to change anybody’s mind, PAD is going to suddenly say “Sweet Jesus! He’s right!” and apologize for everything he’s ever done, ever. And it’s not going to help.
What you’re engaging in is one big exercise in frustration that is about as helpful as banging your head against a wall repeatedly. What are you going to get out of this, anyway?
It’s just not worth it, trust me on this one.
Why can you not block this jáçkášš? I’m with James Lynch: ban this idiot, stop devoting posts to him and giving him a forum for his willful ignorance, and get down to what’s really important, like LOST and ALIAS.
“Terrific, no thoughts on the finales of LOST and ALIAS…..”
Love lost but I wanted to kill the creators by the end of the season ender. No real answers to clear up stuff from the first season and, dámņ it, even more new questions!!!!!!!!!
I would have come back next season anyhow!!!!!! Couldn’t they have thrown us a few more bones to chew on over the summer!?!
I am the most un-political person you will ever meet. But after reading these posts, I will now vote/agree/etc. with the opposite of whatever “X” thinks.
Love lost but I wanted to kill the creators by the end of the season ender.
Hey, show a little respect: the big twist they dropped at the end involved NAMBLA Pirates. That takes some talent to come up with an idea as bizarre as that.
I am not going away! You’re “Donne” with me? Funny — for a pun, the lowest form of humor.
Well, actually, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
That’s all I have to say.
The power of rationalization is a wonderful thing eh, X-Ray?
So nothing is Bush’s fault because he didn’t invent the idea of being a bonehead? I get these rationalizations on why Bush isn’t to blame for everything stupid he has ever done, but what I don’t get is why ANYONE likes Bush enough to come up with these denials and half truth defenses. I mean besides making sure that stem cell research doesn’t cure any termianlly ill people what do Republicans get out of Bush… I mean besides his picture being beside Jesus’s. The blood money from the oil goes to the Saudis and Bush’s friends… I mean what do you people get out of it?
“How about cutting off federal funding for stem cell research?”
How about it? Bush did not cut off Federal funding, just the opposite. Get your facts straight.
“How about continuing to reject the Kyoto accord?”
You mean the accord that couldn’t pass the US Senate even under Clinton? The accord that blames the US for the world’s problems, and would cripple our economy to “fix” them? THAT accord?
“How about promoting No Children Left Behind, and then cooking the books in Texas so that high school drop-outs are reclassified so as not to appear as drop-outs thus giving the mistaken impression that the figures are actually lower?”
What are you babbling about? Proof please.
How about supposedly supporting right to life and pontificating about how life is sacred, ignoring the number of people who were executed in Texas while Bush was governer?
You mean the people who broke the law, were found guilty, and got the punishment mandated by Texas law?
“Every post, good bad or annoying that I’ve ever made here has been under my own name.”
Hooray for you. As for me, any personal info I give would only be used for an attack against me. You see, I have the facts. Others have “feelings,” and their supposed “facts” are usually slanted or outright distorted to suit their point of view. When these two fronts clash, liberals tend to go ballistic and make unwarranted personal attacks.
Perfect example: Peter David lies about Bush’s vs. Kerry’s grades to prove a point. I pointed this out, and was called a clod etc. by David, although he did not DENY the charge. His reasons for doing so are supercilious.
For another multiple-man from what seems to be the same Madrox, I recommended whitening the text of the troll-posts. This seems to be worth reconsidering. You could allow people to post without feeling assaulted, but you wouldn’t be censoring anyone.
“After reading these posts, I will now vote/ agree/ etc. with the opposite of whatever “X” thinks.”
I think you are a mature and thoughtful person!
For another multiple-man from what seems to be the same Madrox, I recommended finding SOME way of getting RID of all those pesky people who do not agree with you! You could allow people to post without feeling heard, and you would also be censoring everyone.
We don’t all know who “he” is. Some of this can be pretty confusing for PAD’s non-North American readers :/
-Jools
I just read that if you sign up for a Medicare drug benefit, you have to sign a paper that gets your food stamps cut. The perfect Bush plan! …making the old folks choose between their prescriptions and food.
You gotta think that anybody coming up with this stuff has got to be a closet Satan Worshipper. All his supporters thumping their Bibles are just like X-Ray here! Their hatred is the only thing that sustains thems. They never have an original thought that isn’t somehow covered in filth.
Not if only your posts are whitened. Your text will be available to anyone who wants to read them, simply by highlighting it.
You’ve demonstrated a bloodlust that isn’t justifiable. There’s no defense against your relentless, Lennie-like anonymous agenda. Why should anyone tolerate your predatory indulgences?
Yes! WHY would ANYONE want to “tolerate” the truth????
“Peter, I advise you to just ignore “X-Ray” here.”
Oh, I plan to. Here’s the thing: I didn’t want to be one of those creators who just hides behind bullet-takers rather than address people directly…even the idiot people. So I figured, y’know what? I’ll answer his stupidity exactly once, in a manner so firm and clear as to demand attention. That way my conscience is clear and I don’t have to feel that others are doing my work for me.
The ONLY reason I outed his alternate identity ploy is that I wanted to forestall board regulars’ concerns that more trolls are starting to show up. It’s just the one village idiot, doing the usual troll thing.
PAD
Clinton bombed an aspirin factory to take attention off Monica?!?
Shall I quote X-Ray again? “Where’s your facts?”
Man, arguing with X-Ray is like arguing with a drunk person. I don’t think any argument will change X-Ray’s opinion, and we’ve moved from having a rational discussion on politics to a shouting match. It’s probably time to move on.
For the people who felt frustrated at the end of LOST…if they gave all the answers, what then? “Okay, we’re clearly in limbo/an alien planet/a massive experiment. Huh.” The mystery certainly has me ready for the next episode!
As for the NAMBLA pirates, it’s worth noting that the French Woman was certain that they wanted “the boy,” thinking it was the newborn baby; turned out to be Walt.
Then again, Walt (who seems to have some type of psychic and reality manipulation powers) told his father that they *need* to take the raft off the Island, so whatever he faces with the pirates is presumably better than what’s inside the hatch.
“Peter, I advise you to just ignore “X-Ray” here.”
“Oh, I plan to.”
Wow — you’re doing a bang-up job of ignoring me so far! Since you said you were “Donne” with me, this is your THIRD POST about me!
“Clinton bombed an aspirin factory to take attention off Monica?!? Shall I quote X-Ray again? “Where’s your facts?”
You act as if I made that up! It’s common knowledge. Clinton was CIC. He ordered an airstrike in Afghanistan on a target of his choosing. It later was revealed the strike hit only an Aspirin factory, killing several innocent people. It just happened that this “vital” airstrike just HAD to be launched right as Clinton’s impeachment hearings began. An amazing “coincidence,” isn’t it? Wag the dog.
Cool! Imagine my excitement: I go away for 2 months, come back, and we have an Official Village Idiot! I have to say, he’s very disappointing (which I suppose explains the moniker).
It reminds me of how Godzilla movies are great because they’re so bad. But this guy’s more like those movies that are so drearily predictable and mediocre that they’re not very interesting.
At least that annoyance we had last year could present a certain amount of insight.
Shifting gears: since I missed the thread, just gotta say, loved the last Fallen Angel! Looking forward to December, and hoping it isn’t shown too definitively that Lee isn’t Linda.
It never fails to amaze me how people can do the net equivalents of demanding entry into someone else’s living room against their wishes and defecating on the floor, and then go on to crow about it as if it were an act of righteousness.