So word down the pipeline is that “Enterprise” is canceled.
The immediate question being bandied about is, “Is Star Trek dead?” This doesn’t surprise me. Pundits were announcing that sitcoms were dead…until “Cosby.” TV westerns, once flourishing, were pronounced dead…until “Kung Fu.” Movie westerns were also believed unable to pull in an audience…until “Unforgiven.” Hëll, “Star Trek” was pronounced dead when the original series went off the air…and then it was alive with “ST:TMP,” but that was so poorly received that it was pronounced dead again…until the second feature film. “Star Trek” has died more often than Jean Gray, and yet it rises once more like…well, like a great bird.
I don’t think “Star Trek” is dead. I think that *a* Star Trek series that never fully engaged (no pun intended) the viewership is dead. But if they build a new series, I think viewers will come right back and at least sample it.
PAD
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what’s sad is that this season has been the most “engaging.”
Manny Coto made a wonderful effort to improve the series, and he basically succeeded at that, but Friday isn’t called the “death slot” for nothing….
I’ve liked what I’ve seen of “Enterprise” this season. It’s been the first time in the whole sereis, that I’ve been nearly able to believe that these guys were going to develop into Kirk’s Federation. (I could always believe that they’d become Picard’s.)
For the record, I think the “Starship Exeter” guys ( http://www.starshipexeter.com ) have the right idea. Put _that_ series on the air, and people will watch it.
I think you’re mostly right. Thoguh I think some fans might not be ready to trust the ST people again without some heavy convincing. if they just slap something together and toss it at the proverbial wall over at UPN they’re not going to attract many fans.
I, personally, am sick to death of ST sucking. Because I’m such a fan, I want to like it, but Enterprise sucked all the life from me.
Over here in Holland we only had the show up to season 2. The first was OK, sort of – certainly better than Voyager and the other one IMO, and the second sseason was good. I’m looking forward to season 3.
But a cancellation is no big surprise – for the most part, everything in the show could have been much better- the writing less contrived and banale, the acting less hammy – well, you know. Better.
Let’s hope they get a good one going next time.
The only people I don’t trust with the Trek franchise right now are Branaga. Dump him, give someone else who understands what the series is all about, and get on with it. PAD and other authors have demonstrated a far superior understanding of what makes Trek a great setting that I ever saw in Enterprise or Voyager.
I’ll agree that it’s not dead…but it sure is in critical condition.
Sure the hardcore fans would at least stop by to check out a new series, but what about the casual viewer? After Voyager, which just got worse and worse; Nemesis, which I didn’t mind but many seemed to loathe; and now Enterprise, I’m not sure the casual viewer is going to be too interested in a new series.
With any kind of luck they’ll take a few years off, find some new creative talent (Straczynski Star Trek, anyone? PAD Star Trek? Am I the only person thinking about this stuff?), and (and this is a personal preference) create a show with long-lasting, arcing storylines. I don’t mean anything as complex as Babylon 5, but something along the lines of the last few seasons of DS9 would be fabulous.
No, it’s not dead. Just on “life support” for now. Perhaps for the 2006 season they’ll finally do a “Starfleet Acadamy” show.
Doctor Who was canceled but made it’s way back with a smaller market. I think Star Trek will also, but I hope they will included everything that has been written in the novels and not ignore them.
I have to agree, at least in part, with Leviathan’s comment. “Enterprise” has been much better this season, but that its improvement began during the second half of last season. During the first two seasons, especially, the series seemed to drift far more than it should. The first season’s “temporal cold war” offered possibilities, but it seemed there was a reluctance to really follow through–heck, the entire concept allowed for an “escape clause” to restore “real” Trek history (many fans complained solely that there’d never been any reference to Archer’s Enterprise–the temporal cold war could wipe out Archer’s entire mission if things went too far astray; that might have been the ultimate cheat, but that seems hardly worse than simply cancelling a series in mid-stream *cough*”John Doe”*cough*).
As the Xindi war started (at the end of the second season), the series seemed to have more focus, but it seemed to have too many episodes that went astray from that overall plot. Yet, those episodes did serve a purpose by keeping the show from becoming too claustrophobic by having the crew always acting or reacting to the Xindi War (even DS9, during the Dominion War stories, found time to have some non-war tales to keep the tone from being too oppressive). Once the Xindi War was finally finished, and led us to this season, the series started pulling together a bit more by focusing on a “series of mini-series” with little bits and pieces of a major plot (the leadup to the Earth-Romulan War, which I think would have been the focus of a seventh and final season, leading to the actual establishment of the Federation).
Oh well. I’ll keep on watching the series till its end.
What I found the most telling was that almost all of the various Trek actors I interviewed over the last five years felt that rushing into Enterprise was/had been a mistake. Even the most mild-mannered ones with no axe to grind admitted that they felt Paramount were concentrating on keeping Trek on air in some capacity rather than actually coming up with fertile ground and basic firm foundation.
It wasn’t awful, and the original one-line description was interesting… but it rapidly became clear this wasn’t a ‘new look’ at the Trek universe at all, but an excuse to tell rather basic Trek stories with the addition of self-referential aliens every so often.
Certainly not the worst thing on the box at the moment,(Manny Coto was a welcome addition to the team)but any other sci-fi show would have been canned over a year ago based on its numbers.
Of course, that doesn’t explain why Andromeda is still on air.
Andomeda? Simple, Kevin Sorbo really *is* Hercules, and he’ll smash anyone that suggests taking him off the air.
Have PAD and Joss Whedon ever worked together? not that Joss would really want to get involved with something that might compete with Serenity/Firefly, but I think between the two of them, they should be able to come up with a halfway decent Trek premise.
I’m with Jeff; get a bunch of good writers (including, one would hope, PAD), and plot out a good or 5 year story arc. Have at least an entire season’s worth of scripts in hand and ready to go. Make extra effort to avoid some of the cliches (aliens with rubber nose brow prosthetics). Actors that are NOT all pretty faces. Afew explorations of trek mythology but not too much (I’d love to see some Gorns)
Also, the ship’s doctor is a trained Mugatu named Mr. Bobo. Many episodes would and with Mr. Bobo doing something funny and then everyone laughs.
Certainly the Trek franchise is far from dead; it may, as it did once before, shift to being “driven” by the novels for a little while, but I expect that there will eventually be more filmed and/or televised Trek.
I do agree that this season’s Enterprise has been about the strongest, for some of the reasons cited. OTOH, the lesson I take from the show’s run is that the next Trek series should NOT be yet another try at the “starship exploration” template used by every Trek series except DS9. The novel line has begun to recognize that there are other kinds of stories to tell in the Trek universe, and it’s past time that the TV side of the franchise learned that lesson. (I have two or three ideas as to what such a new series might be, but this is almost certainly not the right forum to get into that discussion.)
Bobb posted: Have PAD and Joss Whedon ever worked together? not that Joss would really want to get involved with something that might compete with Serenity/Firefly, but I think between the two of them, they should be able to come up with a halfway decent Trek premise.
Let me be the first to go on record as saying that I’m all for any premise that has Eliza Dushku’s Faith fighting Vulcans.
Sounds like Kevin Sorbo is smashing his way right off the Andromeda set and into a sitcom for ABC. So, perhaps two sci-fi shows off the air next season.
I did enjoy this season of Enterprise better than the previous ones. And the Classic Trek geek in me enjoyed the references … to a point.
But it seems like every episode became a rehash of past concepts. “Space Seed” episodes followed by “Ultimate Computer”-inspired episodes followed by Organians and then a journey to Babel. And of course, future episodes will include more such homages. It’s just too much now.
It’s not that new viewers will be lost by these winks at the past. It’s just a consistent lack of originality. It turns Enterprise into nothing but a tribute of the original series. And I think even viewers that won’t get the references will notice something slightly stale. (Admittedly, the staleness of these season is preferable to previous seasons, but I think says little good about past years.)
Well, there’s a reason why Beatlemania is not as good as the Beatles.
I remember once after seeing the fifteenth millionth piece of faux-Kirby artwork, some artist mentioned that the best tribute to Jack Kirby would be to do fresh, dynamic, innovative art. Not to just copy his style. The best tribute to the early Stan/Jack years of the FF would be to do stories as creatively fertile as the period that gave birth to the Marvel Universe. The first Galactus story will always be more groundbreaking than the 10th or 12th Galactus story, even though – like the writers on Enterprise – the people telling the new stories are very talented in their own right.
The best tribute to Classic Trek would be to tell stories that matter, exciting tales with strong science fiction concepts, political/social relevance to the day, and with less technobabble. The original series was dynamic. In the entire first season, the Klingons only appeared once. The Romulans only appeared once. There was a variety of good stories written by top science fiction writers. They touched on important social issues. Now, the average sitcom is as socially aware as modern Trek.
I think part of the problem is that there’s a franchise to worry about. But hopefully, when the next batch of Trek writers look through old episodes for inspiration, they’ll remember an old line of Captain James T. Kirk’s.
“Risk is our business. That’s what this starship is all about. That’s why we’re aboard her.”
That’s a more important legacy to take from Trek than using a Soong family member.
Allen
Tim Lynch will be shocked (Shocked! I tell you) that I’m weighing in here. 🙂
To me, this marks the end of 18 years of bad Star Trek. After being tremendously enthusiastic about TNG when it was first announced (in 1985 or 86?), my enthusiasm was beaten out of me by the first season, and the next four seasons beat Trek fandom out of me altogether. What I’ve seen of DS9, Voyager and Enterprise has shown them all to be “more of the same”. There was no substantive difference between the first season of Enterprise (which I watched save for one episode) and any random season of TNG.
I’ve always felt that “second-generation Trek” has been marked by a fundamental outlook which contradicted good storytelling: Bland characters, a lack of or deemphasis of conflict (evolving into uncomfortably contrived conflict with weak resolutions as time wore on), and of course that omnipresent and annoying adherence to a rose-colored-glasses view of humanity’s future. Quite the opposite of the gritty little character dramas which highlighted the original 1960s series.
(It’s telling that your novel Imzadi, Peter, portrayed Riker and Troi and stronger and deeper characters than 7 seasons and 4 films of TNG did.)
This particular brand of bad storytelling has proven to be wildly popular, although that’s not really inconsistent with public tastes in western media so as it turns out this should surprise no one.
Will Star Trek be back? Probably. I’m rather past caring at this point, as there are far, far better science fiction venues – mostly in other media – than Star Trek. The best thing any future Trek series could do would be to bring in smart and knowledgable people willing to dispense wholesale with the general attitudes that 2G Trek has displayed. But Sturgeon’s Law still holds true, and it works against any television series.
In any event, I’ve been watching the DVDs of the first season of classic Trek recently, and I just keep thinking, “Wow, this stuff is GREAT! How did anyone ever manage to take this, and turn it into the pablum of TNG?”
It’s comforting to know that you really can go home again.
Didn’t we already see Faith fighting vulcans?
ooohhh, wait, that was a vulcanologist….never mind.
Sorry, this isn’t even mine. Joss played on this in Season 7 of Buffy. I can’t steal Joss’s stuff.
I think ST’s problem is that you can only do “Wagon Train to the Stars” for so long.
ST:TNG did it for 7 years.
ST:DS9 had the bright idea of _not_ doing it. Let’s not quibble over whether it was an original bright idea, comparing B5 to DS9 is like comparing corned beef sandwiches to ice cream. But the plots focused on intrigue around, and defense of, a fixed location.
ST:Voyager tried to do it again — and decided to ‘improve’ things by stealing from Lost in Space.
ST: Enterprise…well, that horse is being flogged enough.
Y’know what I’d really like to see as the basis for a new ST series? “The Conscience of the King.”
I’m serious. Very cool things could be done with a series based around an interstellar traveling theatre group, one whose repetoire ranged from Shakespeare to Klingon opera.
Even if you think that’s a daft idea, perhaps you’ll agree with me on this: We’ve seen smugglers, soldiers, and spies, and too much melodrama feels like melanoma. Why not a sci-fi show about people who do aren’t playing cops and robbers or cowboys and indians?
(You in the back…who said Mercy Point. See me about donating your organs.)
Qurstion for you PAD: do think its possible that a particular genre like Star Trek can be creatively exhausted? That there are only so many ways of expanding on the same premise?
Star Trek isn’t a genre, people. It’s a franchise.
That said, PAD, please tell me you are submitting a pitch for a new ST series.
Ok, how’s this for a fresh take on the premise:
Thatnks to a rift in the time/space continuum, a modern 21st century young woman, let’s call her Mary or Sue, is someohow transported to a federation starship. At firstthey regard her as little more than an amusing monkey, so dirty and backward, but though pluck and spunk she demonstrates that their advanced technology is no match for her primitive intellect. Sort of like how Buck Rogers is able to use his early 20th century know-how to teach the people of the 25th century how to use their own weapons. Anyhoo, it later turns out–and I hope you’re not eating anything that might get lodged in your trachea as you read this–that Mary Sue is ACTUALLY the daughter of James Kirk and the Terri Garr character from that episode with the guy that had the cat.
All these great ideas, it is a constant source of amazement to me that I am not rich.
“All these great ideas, it is a constant source of amazement to me that I am not rich.”
I say that to myself at least once a day. That and “How is it that I don’t rule the world yet?”
Then I remember that I’m just too darn lazy, and easily distracted, to ever really do anything about those world-domineering, get rich by 30 plans.
They really should do a ‘New Frontier’ series. Especially if they can get someone really good to play the captain! He’s such a cool character! Like a mix between Kirk, Sisko, and John Crichton. lol!
Anyway, I like Enteprise. The first season was my favorite season of Enteprise (because there was this wonder to that season. It really felt like they were ‘boldly going where no one had gone before’), but I do think season 3 was pretty good and the current season is really good (aside: its had a couple of not-so good episodes, but overall its been pretty good).
The show, imo, deserves to go seven seasons ALOT more then Voyager did (what an awful show that was for the most part).
I think tv has to be getting pretty bad when a Trek show gets canceled. It use to be a given that Trek would never be canceled. That it just would keep going and going and going….*sigh*
I guess a rest is needed for the franchise. I just wish that rest had come after the seventh season of Enterprise (or at least the fifth. give it five seasons at least..).
Well…thank goodness for Sci-Fi Fridays (the two Stargates and the new Battlestar Galactica are such a great lineup imo).
DF2506
” Fridays and Wensdays (because of Lost and Alias) are my favorite TV nights right now!
The big triumph was “Next Generation.” Trek had been off the air for years and only involved with novels. That enabled some people to re-examine what the Trek experience meant and to put out something that was fresh, original and interesting.
I think the ol’ Trek Plantation needs to lay fallow for a couple of years, to let the soil get back its nutrients, so to speak.
You wanna save the franchise? Here we go:
Star Trek 11 – Man/God Westley Crusher Saves the F%&$in Universe!
Which spins off into
Star Trek Series 6 – Man/God Westley Crusher Saves the F%&$in Universe Every F%&#@in Week!
Superheroes are hot now. It would work, trust me.
Well, since neither you nor Keith DeCandido is running around like a chicken with its head cut off, I assume the novel program is safe for the time being, which is pretty much all I care about.
As far as TV goes, I think the franchise has needed a little break for a while.
Yeah, well, not in the least bit surprising. As many have said.
The UK has only had 2 seasons (on free to air anyhow) so maybe it was going to pick up. I guess though there’s a decent chance of us never knowing – Channel 4 has a habit of just pretending that series stop when they start loosing audience – Homicide, Oz and now the Sopranos are apparently never going to get their final episodes shown.
What did Enterprise do wrong? Well the key thing I think was looking backwards. Star Trek is one of those things that should be about going forwards, and here it was, examining it’s own naval in an obvious fashion, without being particularly exciting.
That, and having a Captain sufficiantly wooden that he could have commanded a Babylon station.
What should Trek to to become interesting? Take some risks for God’s sake. Voyager is a classic case of missing the point – there was the concept, all about how far can you push the prime directive if you must and yet remain Star Fleet? How do you get a ship who’s crew is half made up of people who rejected the PD to accept it in the first place? And that was barely touched on, instead everyone accepted Starfleet culture and rigidly stuck to it for 7 tedious season!
What risk is worth taking? Hëll if I knew that I’d be pitching it right now, not sharing it with you guys. Sorry.
Well…thank goodness for Sci-Fi Fridays (the two Stargates and the new Battlestar Galactica are such a great lineup imo).
– DF2506
It’s ironic that Enterprise got its nail-in-the-coffin cancellation, not because it was in a ‘death slot’ of Friday but because it failed against Atlantis and BSG (both ratingswise and critically).
Ah, this paves the way for that Marrissa Amber Flores Picard series we’ve all wanted to see.
the very last scene of Enterprise should have Archer, alone in his cabin. Then Porthos turns into a hologram named Al.
ARCHER: “Well, Al, our work here is done. Can I leap yet?”
Al consults his little data pad thingie.
AL: “Ziggy says that we’ve ruined the timeline JUST enough so Westley Crusher will never be born. We’ve saved humanity, once again.”
ARCHER: “Ok, cool, time to leap!”
ARCHER disappears in a bath of white light.
Archer appears in the middle of a suburban street at night. He’s covered in blood, wearing only boxer shorts dotted with little hearts, and he’s holding a chainsaw. Small children run away screaming from him.
ARCHER: “Oh boy.”
/end Enterprise
To get back to the original topic…
Trek definately need(s)(ed) a break. Remember, besides Enterprise, you have constant reruns of TOS,TNG,DS9,VOY on the various networks…
Whether people come back to a new/original/reborn series will depend a lot on who is in charge. If I see Bragas name again, I won’t watch, but someone like PAD, JMS or (my own personal choice, Keith DeCandido) in some form of story capacity, I’ll tune in.
I’ll use the reimagining of Battlestar Galactica as an example. When they first did it, back in 93, I was skeptical to say the least. BUT, I looked at Ron Moore, who he cast in key roles, and decided to give it a chance. The miniseries hooked me, because it focused on characters, issues and plot, rather than ‘lets blow things up’ (which is honestly what I expected from the network that brings us such gems as Larva and Scare Tactics).
In my mind, successful series are built around characters that people can identify with and attach themselves to, something Trek has sorely lacked (I’ll make an exception to that for DS9).
There are any number of writers out there who have demonstrated a clear ability to develop characters that engage and attract readers (I still haven’t totally forgiven Keith for what he did in SCE – But thats another matter)
If paramount is reasonably smart, they will step back, bring in a totally new and motivated pre-production team which will develop a premise, bring on board a top notch writing team and build the structure for a new series (or set of v movies) BEFORE a single frame is shot or an actor is cast.
Since I’ve put in my 2 cents, lets make it 4. Whatever comes down the road, I don’t think it should be New Frontier, or SCE, or Titan, or any of the new lines that have come to be in the books. These have developed established mythos of their own and adapting to a modern tv show tends to ‘lock’ those worlds. Its a fact of television life that becoming a member of the bridge crew on the USS (insert name here) makes you almost invulnerable to permanent injury (with a few exceptions, but hey Kirk has ‘died’ how many times now??). Take the time to develop something completely original and go with it.
Anyway, see some of you at Farpoint next weekend I hope, where I am sure this will be much discussed.
What I would like to see is a few TV movies based on new characters and others with old characters. No limits. Starfleet Academy and another in a future so far off that Kirk and Picard are considered myths. So many good Trek novels out there written by people you know how to entertain; so many great ideas and this would be a way to bring freshness with out a long term commitment.
How many great Trek novels have you read, and by who?
PAD of course.
Shatner and his Reeves-Stevens crew
Christie Golden
Both Voyager and Enterprise were decent concepts. Voyager in fact I thought was a great concept. But the delivery fell far short of it’s potential.
As Nick points out, Voyager’s failing was in lacking the temerity to stick to the concept. All the tension drained out of the show within the first season. From that point on, it was a mildly interesting crew doing pretty much what we’d expect Starfleet crews to do.
Enterprise’s failing lies in the same area, that is, failing to stick to the premise. Enterprise was, in part, billed as the very beginning of the ongoing Starfleet mission. Yet, instead of seeing the formation of Starfleet and the Federation, we get pretty much the same kinds of missions and shows that TNG and Voyager gave us. Except the crew looked a lot dumber, because they didn’t have tri-harmonic phase converters to deal with.
Oh, and Enterprise constantly messed with what was known about established Federation history.
Plus, both Voyager and Enterprise felt almost like sitcoms, where what happened last week really doesn’t impact what happens this week. With of course a few exceptions, I never got the impression that this crew was growing, evolving, or that Starfleet for that matter was any different in Archer’s time that it is in Picard’s time. It was like someone put the Cosby Show into the Transmorgifier ™ with a Star Trek book, and out popped Enterprise.
It’s all about the magic number 100: The first two seasons had 26 eps each, right? These last two have 24. 100 episodes is the requirement for full-price “stripped” (weeknightly) syndication.
So if they can get that far, why spend more money, when it can become a quick cash cow. I’d be surprised if it isn’t already set to syndicate on Spike.
This magic number stuff was already being discussed a year ago when ratings were sucking towards the end of last season. So this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.
I’ve read that it already has been sold into syndication. I wasn’t aware that the first 2 seasons had 26 eps. I figured it was the standard 22, and we were doomed to suffering through another year of Bad Trek.
The magic 100 number is the only reason we got 5 years of Angel. Anyone remember, pre-episode 100, the “we love Angel” vibe coming from the WB. I think it was less than a week after ep. 100 aired that they announced that it would be cancelled.
The best thing they can do is start over again. And bring in new blood. Why? Well, let me put it this way. I loved VOYAGER.
On the Internet. I refused to watch all but the final TV episode. Now that’s pretty bad when the fanfic is actually better than the series. I can’t say the same about ENTERPRISE because I quit reading fanfic around the same time I quit watching the show.
Let Trek rest for the next five years. Bring in a new set of brains. (And I agree. PD or JW (Josh, not me. 🙂 ) I can think of a few others, both pro and amateur, who could do well. (Like a certain lady who went by the initials “JK” and no, she didn’t write about teenage wizards. [Hey! That might be fun, too!])
But do you do a continuation with a new crew in a different time frame? A reimagining? A remake?
But please, get rid of Rick Berman and Brannon Bragga, two of the most unimaginative producers working in Hollywood today.
What they need to revitalize ST is a series that isn’t bogged own in continuity, has a less explored background situation, and allows for new takes on the familar races and nythos. My own idea for this was something called, say, STAR TREK: EMPIRE. It would feature a federation starship that gets stranded in the Mirror Universe a place where, you’ll recall, humans are a conquered race. Only seven or eight episodes of other ST shows to stay straight with, and a situation which allows whole new takes on stuff grown stale in the existing shows.
Leviathan: For the record, I think the “Starship Exeter” guys ( http://www.starshipexeter.com ) have the right idea.
Luigi Novi: Shìŧŧÿ writing, šhìŧŧÿ acting, šhìŧŧÿ characterization, and good FX/production design? Sorry, I disagree.
Michael Rawdon: I’ve always felt that “second-generation Trek” has been marked by a fundamental outlook which contradicted good storytelling: Bland characters, a lack of or deemphasis of conflict (evolving into uncomfortably contrived conflict with weak resolutions as time wore on), and of course that omnipresent and annoying adherence to a rose-colored-glasses view of humanity’s future. Quite the opposite of the gritty little character dramas which highlighted the original 1960s series.
Luigi Novi: I dunno, I think many of the characters on TNG and DS9 were well-rounded and well-written, and that there was plenty of conflict in those shows, particularly on DS9. I also don
Luigi Novi
Leviathan: For the record, I think the “Starship Exeter” guys ( http://www.starshipexeter.com ) have the right idea.
Luigi Novi: Shìŧŧÿ writing, šhìŧŧÿ acting, šhìŧŧÿ characterization, and good FX/production design? Sorry, I disagree.
Well, since your very first statement proves you don’t recognize good writing when you see it, I’m tempted to let your comments stand.
But the fact is that you know full well that I was referring not to the products of a group of talented fans, working on their, but their stated goal.
From http://homepage.mac.com/starshipexeter/exeterstudio/current.html:
“It is our hope that the successful completion of this project will generate such an overwhelming response, it will prove to “the powers that be” that a show like STARSHIP EXETER, based upon the unique look and feel of the 1960’s “Original Series” has unstoppable potential and should be produced as a regular television serial or as a series of big-budget motion pictures.”
So save your labored sarcasm and ignorance for someone who cares.
Leviathan: Well, since your very first statement proves you don’t recognize good writing when you see it
Luigi Novi: You
I’m no Andromeda fan.
But I have to ask, when did ANDROMEDA beocme the whipping boy for fanboys going through Star Trek and Whedon withdraw?
Was Buffy really that good, or were you all really that horny? I would say that the monsters looked like something out of POWER RANGERS, but the monsters on Power Rangers looked alot better.
The acting however lived up to Power Rangers standards 🙂
As for Firefly, what is going to be the excuse when the movie bombs? I can almost hear the excuses now “the people just didn’t understand what Joss was trying to do” or “It’s totally the studio’s fault”
And Enterprise? They had a theme song sung by a Brian Williams wannabe….AND REFUSED TO CHANGE IT!!!! Hey guys, what is the difference between Mayweather and Uhura? Uhura had more to do LOL 🙂
And if Keven Sorbo was captain of the Enterprise, that show would still be on the air!!
He pulled five seasons out of Andromeda LMFAO.
FIVE SEASONS OUT OF ANDROMEDA!
Kevin Sorbo is fast on his way to becoming the new David Hasselhoff.
I CAN’T STOP LAUGHING!
KEVIN SORBO PULLED FIVE SEASONS OUT OF ANDROMEDA!
And why did Sorbo pull five seasons out of Andromeda?
1) He wasn’t afraid to let the other characters shine. Harper and Becca (and yes, even Tyr) got to save the known universe occasionally – it wasn’t the Dylan Hunt Show.
2) There was a wonderful moment in what Tribune Entertainment had planned as the last episode of the series (before Sci-Fi picked it up). The ship is being boarded by Magog, and Dylan’s reaching into a secret cubbyhole to pull out force lances he’d hidden there earlier for the crew. But first, he pulled out – an elaborate sword; a very familiar-looking elaborate sword. He looked at the others, shrugged, and grinned. Point being, Kevin, an executive producer of “Andromeda”, was never afraid to poke fun at himself and his past. Can you imagine Archer ever being allowed to make a “Quantum Leap” joke? TPTB would never let him loosen that far. They’ve sucked every trace of fun out. The Reese-Stevenses were starting to put some back in, and the suits decided to kill the whole thing.
Another point: In interviews, Berman has admitted that until he started working on TNG, he’d never read science fiction, and wasn’t a particular fan. Maybe that’s been one of the problems with “Enterprise”…
Nah, I tend to think that such problems as the ones on Voyager and Enterprise tend to be far more fundamental than that. And Berman and Braga have written some good Trek episodes.
Jim, sorry about the uncontextualized quote. 🙂
As lame as Enterprise may have sometimes been, It’s still sa to see the cancellation take place.
I think previous writers have it nailed that the novels seem to be Trek’s best hope for now. I just finished “Ex Machina” and have started Worlds of DS9- Ferenginar and I have to say I’m much more excited about these than I am about the TV shows. There are still plenty of great stories out there to be told and the novels prove it. Qapla!
First while im a big Bakula fanand a bigger fan of Jolene Blalock :),this series just never grabbed me.
Ds9 was friggin awesome,but Voyager just bored me to tears.
If they want to save Star Trek,take a clue from Battlestar Galactica.Less emphasis on special effects and aliens,more on character development and drama among the main characters.
As someone else mentioned in Andromeda, they at least have a sense of humor about the situations to an extent.
heaven forbid you have fun with the concept or do something creative.How about the adventures of Gary seven??Just a thought
Incidentally, tonight’s episode of Enterprise was really good.
Besides, what does he need a pitch for? It