Since freedom is so important to the President that he felt the need to mention the word over two dozen times in his speech, we here at peterdavid.net felt that–in the interest of a new spirit of bipartisanship and cooperation–we should try to spread the concept of freedom wherever and whenever possible.
Hence the “Freedom Clock,” which is either at the side of the page or at the bottom, depending upon your browser. The Freedom Clock will be ticking down the days, hours, minutes and seconds until this country is finally free of George W. Bush…barring premature departure such as impeachment or being tried for war crimes, or an extended stay should some bright Republicans try to repeal Section one of the 22nd Amendment (which I doubt they’d do since it would free up Clinton to run again, and they won’t want to risk that.)
So as the bad news continues, check in every so often to remind yourself that, like any bad meal, this too shall pass.
PAD
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You people are gonna waste four more years of hating GWB? And for what? I don’t get it and never will. It’s over, your side lost, live with it.
Ok, so the options include:
A) bìŧçhìņg about Bush and his policies.
B) Taking the kool-aid and happily going along with whatever Bush does.
Seriously, think about that for a moment. Which one of those options sounds better?
Hey Poe, ok, we GET it. You’ve made your point. Try something else. You aren’t convincing anyone not already convinced and probably turning off more than a few. There are lots of purely political sites that would love your input.
He’s not gonna stop until he stops getting attention by doing it. That’s all forum trolls crave, and ‘Poe’ certainly fits the criteria to a ‘T’.
(And poor Edgar Allen must be spinning up in Baltimore right about now, with you choosing him for your Nom De Net…)
On brighter news, Bill, let me just say how refreshing it is in today’s America to find someone who can talk to people he disagrees with politically without spewing acidic venom. It’s sad that political ‘discourse’ in this country has come to the point that I find it remarkable enough to comment on, but here we are….
Not everyone is going to pat you on the back everytime you post your spew PAD except your blind leftwing followers. I respect you as a writer and will continue to do so. But, if you can’t be adult enough and, if you dont want people’s reactions then turn off your comments and forget about it.
Your entitled to your opinions and so aren’t we. If you don’t want different opinions, just the onesided ones where everyone agrees with you then you better state so on your blog somewhere that this is a ‘Leftwing Blog only’ no other opinions are allowed to be posted here just mine and my followers and those hate GWB. That should make fans feel welcome.
“Your entitled to your opinions and so aren’t we.”
Your slip is showing, Dr Freud.
Lurkers beware: if you’re on the Right don’t bother posting here. It’s a waste of time. Oh and incase you haven’t noticed I dont respond to Lefties. So, continue to insult me even when I’m gone it’s the onlything a ;efty knows how to do. Just shows how petty this blog really is. You got my reactions & I got yours.
Goodbye, good luck.
No need to ban me.
I won’t be returning.
Go, and never darken our towels again.
So? its your blog Peter? And?! You post your spew about GWB to get reactions and when someone gives you a reaction that you dont like you go off on them and threaten to ban them? It’s being petty at best. You come across as hating GWB so when some posts about killing thePresident to satisfy you as a joke, you get bent out of shape? Sounds more like PMS to me. Lefties have one thing in common, they all like to agree with each other, disagree and you’re an outcast. You dish it out but you can’t take itin return, you blowup at others if they so much as give you any backlash, nice way to run a blog.
Poe, you lack even the basic skills to write decent English; you expect anyone to take you seriously?
PAD, try not to get too upset over these redundant fools. Their shameful, hateful comments combined with their lack of cognition render their opinions about as worthwhile as toenail clippings.
ah…thanks peter, you’ve warmed up what was otherwise a cold, blustery, snowy waste of a weekend!
“Your entitled to your opinions and so aren’t we.”
When did GWB start posting here?
entry: Posted by Poe at January 23, 2005 05:32 PM
I think someone needs a nap. He’s getting cranky.
Poe: So? its your blog Peter? And?! You post your spew about GWB to get reactions and when someone gives you a reaction that you dont like you go off on them and threaten to ban them? It’s being petty at best. You come across as hating GWB so when some posts about killing thePresident to satisfy you as a joke, you get bent out of shape? Sounds more like PMS to me. Lefties have one thing in common, they all like to agree with each other, disagree and you’re an outcast. You dish it out but you can’t take itin return, you blowup at others if they so much as give you any backlash, nice way to run a blog.
You see nothing wrong with something suggesting PAD wants a man dead? Doesn’t reflect well on you.
Screw you. Seriously. You and the horse you rode in on. How dare you. How DARE you. How DARE YOU, you unspeakable prìçk, that you would attribute that sort of thought to me. I despise Bush and everything he stands for, but he’s a human being with a wife and two children and I would NEVER wish something like that on him. That is the single most vile thing I have ever heard out of your cyber mouth, and you can go staight to hëll. So help me God, if the next words out of your mouth are not an explicit apology for that remark, then you will be cordially invited to stay the hëll out of this board.
PAD
Considering that you haven’t really had anything to say to me for months now it really won’t hurt much if you don’t respond to my posts anymore, PAD.
Do I think that you, personally want anything to happen to the President, nah. I think you’re a bigger man than that. and no I didn’t mean to personally indicate that you would be happy if something did.
That’s about as close to an apology as you’re going to get from me, so take it or leave it. I will not however, back down from what I said (except for suggesting that you personally might be happy) because I have no doubt at all in my mind that many on the left would happily throw a party for someone who would
at least try. And yeah, that probably includes a few lefties on this blog who honestly believe they’d be doing the world a favor if they take him out. Same atttitude that some on the right have when they think that killing an abortion doctor is okay because they’re saving lives.
Why do I think this? Because I hear and see people on the left like Cynthia McKinney, and Michael Moore who make insinuations that Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance and let it happen just so he could attack Iraq and claim their oil so he can make his oil buddies even richer and he doesn’t even care how many soldiers have to die.
And even you, PAD, have said things like “Bush is in it for the oil”, and calling the inauguration a “national day of mourning”. So yeah, I said it with the thought that some sick bášŧárd might try and pull a John Hinckley. But no, I don’t think you’d be for it any more than Jody Foster was rooting for someone to pop Reagan.
I think that if the Democrats had run a more positive campaign they could have won but they just couldn’t help themselves. The George Soros/MoveOn.org wing is acendant and it may take more than a few election cycles for mainstream Democrats to rise up and tell them to take a hike.
I read something recently that commented on the fact that the Dems ran TOO positive of a campaign, and that the sh*t slinging from the neocons is what won this election.
That the Dems needed to sink lower and sling right back to win.
I mean, what was the dámņáblë Swift Boat Vets garbage if not sh*t slinging with a national audience?
Lurkers beware: if you’re on the Right don’t bother posting here. It’s a waste of time.
Dude, it has nothing to do with the fact that you’re on the right and everything to do with the fact that you’re just acting like a friggin douchebag.
That and you seem unable to use your keyboard properly.
You know what’s awesome? Punctuation.
According to the Freedom Clock, it’s only 1457 days, 15 hours and change until Arthur Penn becomes President. Huzzah!
(Hillary who?)
Gene Hall:
“it was lying under oath as President, which some people also called perjury.”
Thank You, my thoughts exactly . If Bill had gotten up there and said.
“Yeah, she gave me a knob job, and it was a god dámņ good one. Hillary never could suck çøçk.”
However that is not what happened, instead he chose to lie about it.
Man, can’t we all just get along? I mean, obviously not, but someone should ask the question. From all the posts I’m reading here, the argument seems to be who whines more when they lose – the Democrats or Republicans? Frankly, it seems that whoever wins, then We the People are the ones who are losing. We are supposed to be a nation that embraces diversity and individualism, while still maintaining unity, and this apparant contradiction has finally taken its toll on our national identity. We have become so fixated on what is “moral” or “right”, that we have lost sight of who anyone is as a person – we don’t see anyone as a person anymore, only as a set of political beliefs, and I truly believe that lessens us. We should be better at this level than the mudslinging that I’ve been reading here tonight. We should be better ourselves, and demanding better of our leaders, regardless of party affiliation. I mean, did people who voted Republican really want us in Iraq (or anywhere else our troops are getting killed). And did Democratic voters truly believe that Kerry would have rode in and solved anything? These are the things that I ponder when I’m not being a psycho fanboy, and I’d really like to get some honest feedback on this.
I can’t believe some of you are still bashing Clinton. In your own right-wing words: He was President for 8 years, get over it. And he was darn good at his job. He did not start a war with faulty intelligence, he did not raise the deficit and the trade deficits so high our great grandkids will be paying them off, he did not propose legislation for education without fully funding it, he did not propose legislation to give the environment over to corporate control, he did not blur the seperation between church and state….
Everything Bush has done in office has turned out wrong. And you righties are still bashing Clinton?
Adam Neace,
No one I know thought Kerry would completely fix the mess Bush left him. We thought he would have fixed a lot and worked on the rest. Now we get to look forward to sinking deeper into the mess. Now Social Security and Medicaid are on the chopping block, and he’s showing signs of wanting to use military action in Iran. Even thought the military is stretched thin as it is. We on the left want our country back and thought Kerry would give it to us. I’ve said before on this blog that Kerry would have been a good presitdent. With all the things he needed to accomplish to fix the problems left by this administration, I don’t think he would have been a great president.
Freedom Clock?
I’m surprised anyone thinks this lame gimmick is any less silly than, say, Freedom Fries.
As a matter of fact, I find it supremely ironic that some of the people here who wailed long and loud about the Freedom Fries campaign are apparently pumping their fists in the air with delight over the Freedom Clock.
R:
>Freedom Clock?
>I’m surprised anyone thinks this lame gimmick is any less silly than, say, Freedom Fries.
>As a matter of fact, I find it supremely ironic that some of the people here who wailed long and loud about the Freedom Fries campaign are apparently pumping their fists in the air with delight over the Freedom Clock.
I’ve not bought into the freedom clock campaign but wanted to respond to your statement. I don’t see the irony. The first was a ridiculous movement to actually change the name of a food that was not named by the nation that the slight of said change was inteded for and was an incredible generalization about the character of an entire nation, while the latter is a statement against a specific administration and its policies. How is this ironic?
Fred
Peter, I love you man. “Freedome Clock” That is great. Period. It deserves a golden no prize.
I’m surprised anyone thinks this lame gimmick is any less silly than, say, Freedom Fries.
As a matter of fact, I find it supremely ironic that some of the people here who wailed long and loud about the Freedom Fries campaign are apparently pumping their fists in the air with delight over the Freedom Clock.
First of all – that’s not irony.
second of all – the Freedom Clock is different from Freedom Fries because Freedom Fries had the hint of racism attached to it. Or super intense and insane nationalism, at least.
>>”it was lying under oath as President, which some people also called perjury.”
>Thank You, my thoughts exactly . If Bill had gotten up there and said.
>”Yeah, she gave me a knob job, and it was a god dámņ good one. Hillary never could suck çøçk.”
>However that is not what happened, instead he chose to lie about it.
See, whereas Bush will be shielded so that he will never have to go in front of a Grand Jury, and thus not have the chance to lie under oath.
And this is a good thing for him, because the minute he opens his mouth in front of a Grand Jury, his impeachment will have begun…
Personally, I feel that perhaps rather than speaking of the Presidents’ characters,we should look at the state of the country at their respective halfway points.
I don’t feel that in 1996, Americans, or at least some of them, were this pessimstic, and this depressed about the next four years, when Clinton won, as people seem to be now. However, rather than saying anything about liberals, leftists, etc., and their ability to “deal with it,” I feel like this speaks greater volumes about where the country had been, and where it was headed then.
Yes, he was a Democrat, but the country seemed to be in a relatively sound state, and was handed to Bush that way at the end of his term.
Honestly, I hope Bush can pull us out of the hole he’s apparently dug us into…however, as the man that got us into this mess, I’m worried. 9/11 changed a lot of things, but beginning with Iraq, I saw a lot of mistakes made that have led to more deaths than we should have seen. I don’t have a lot of respect for him as President, but I don’t like being told that I love my country less because of that.
Luigi Novi: So now you can read Peter
TallestFanEver wrote: “First of all – that’s not irony. second of all – the Freedom Clock is different from Freedom Fries because Freedom Fries had the hint of racism attached to it. Or super intense and insane nationalism, at least.”
It most certainly is ironic. You would expect people who, through a supposedly logical thought process, saw Freedom Fries as a lame gimmick, to also see the Freedom Clock as an equally lame gimmick. Instead, we have Freedom Fries critics embracing the Freedom Clock. This is an
“Freedom Clock? I’m surprised anyone thinks this lame gimmick is any less silly than, say, Freedom Fries.”
That observation would be relevant if a time clock were originally called a French Clock. As it is, no, not really relevant at all.
PAD
I love’s PAD’s work, and I share the majority of his politics, and I wish I could share in some of his paychecks (but that’s neither here nor there). I just gotta say that this particular thread started swimming in the crazy side of the pool a while ago. I’ve never seen a clock do so much other than tell time.
Luigi, maybe you should’ve made that a separate paragraph – everyone seems to have missed it.
Folks, in order to qualify as “perjury”, it has to be more than a simple untruth. The lie has to be relevant to the charge. Clinton was under investigation for a possible link to a shady land deal. Getting a bløwjøb from an intern had nothing to do with Whitewater.
(On the other hand, from the tale I heard, it sounds like ol’ Bill was good at multitasking – he was getting a hummer, eating a pizza, and calling members of Congress to build up support for some bill or other, all at the same time! Hëll, I have trouble typing and listening to Chris Rock at the same time!)
Second, to call the Freedom Fries campaign a
There seemes (or seemed) to be a kind of misunderstanding earlier on this board. There’s a difference between posting an opposing vewpoint, and just bìŧçhìņg. The problem is some people have trouble distinguishing the two, particularly when they happen to agree with whatever’s being bìŧçhëd about.
Example: “Bush hasn’t done a such a bad job of managing the country, X is better, etc.”
is substantially different from
“Liberals are all a bunch of whiny áššhølëš who can’t accept that the better man won.”
Maybe once the distinction can be more easily identified, meaningful political discussion cqan take place.
Cam: However that is not what happened, instead he chose to lie about it.
Luigi Novi: That doesn
Pretty funny. You know, when Clinton’s Reign of Comic/Tragic Errors went on for four fffffffffffffff-ing long, long, long, long, endless 8 years, I didn’t get mad or upset. Well, unless of course it was his admin burning a Waco compound, or returning a dictator to power in Haiti, or a child to brutal Communist Cuba, or his employees going to jail and so on…. Well, I made it a game. If I lost a sock, it was that dámņëd Clinton’s fault! If I missed a comic, that bastid Clinton must have it, chuckling all the way up in DC with my issue! If my team lost, that witch Hillary must have put one of her Hoodoo curses on them! Yep, Dims are just poor losers and need a lot of help, I mean, for God’s sake, get over it. Putting more wood and gas on your loser bonfire only makes you bigger losers. Wow, if you didn’t brainwash college kids into brain-dead parrot robots, who would be left in your party? Old geezers that got away with riverside manslaughter, sex offenders and ex-Klanmen. Hee hee hee ha, ho gawd, this is fun…
R. Maheras:
>Second, to call the Freedom Fries campaign a
Pretty funny. You know, when Clinton’s Reign of Comic/Tragic Errors went on for four fffffffffffffff-ing long, long, long, long, endless 8 years, I didn’t get mad or upset. Well, unless of course it was his admin burning a Waco compound, or returning a dictator to power in Haiti, or a child to brutal Communist Cuba, or his employees going to jail and so on…. Well, I made it a game. If I lost a sock, it was that dámņëd Clinton’s fault! If I missed a comic, that bastid Clinton must have it, chuckling all the way up in DC with my issue! If my team lost, that witch Hillary must have put one of her Hoodoo curses on them! Yep, Dims are just poor losers and need a lot of help, I mean, for God’s sake, get over it. Putting more wood and gas on your loser bonfire only makes you bigger losers. Wow, if you didn’t brainwash college kids into brain-dead parrot robots, who would be left in your party? Old geezers that got away with riverside manslaughter, sex offenders and ex-Klanmen. Hee hee hee ha, ho gawd, this is fun…
What short memories people have. The crying was just as loud and vehement from the right during the Clinton years (and for far lesser reasons) than the outcry against Bush is now.
And its not just the left that are upset. I don’t see how anyone beleives in the ideals of the Republican party can rally behind this guy based on his political beliefs. Which is why I felt forced to leave the party after being a registered republican since I was old enough to vote.
Well, unless of course it was his admin burning a Waco compound, or returning a dictator to power in Haiti, or a child to brutal Communist Cuba, or his employees going to jail and so on…
Apparently you’ve forgotten who put Saddam in power in the first place.
Or is it still too soon (according to Republicans) to speak ill of Reagan?
Or is it still too soon (according to Republicans) to speak ill of Reagan?
It’s not if you want to go back to look at the Carter years while you’re at it 🙂
Luigi wrote: “Wrong. Irony requires the
It’s not if you want to go back to look at the Carter years while you’re at it 🙂
I realized after I made my post that I was perhaps being too literal.
The messes in both Iraq and Iran were created by our government (along with bin Laden), but Saddam was on our side only as long as it suited us, and I’m not sure if anybody can blame him for giving us the finger once we turned our backs.
Just like we turned our backs to the Kurds after the first Gulf War.
A friend sent this to me on the day of the inaugral
As Bush II is crowned keep this quote in mind:
“The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else.”
“President Theodore Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star”, May 7, 1918
Carl wrote:
[i]returning a dictator to power in Haiti[/i]
Hey, excuse me? Were you there? I was. Sure, Aristide turned out to be a worthless jerk, but that doesn’t change the fact that he was Haiti’s democratically elected president. Would you rather we had let the drug lord Raoul Cedras remain in power? Maybe you’d like to see pictures of the dried blood-encrusted walls and floors of the barracks that his men shot up? The bloody footprints of Aristide’s men who tried to get away in the middle of the night? Hmmm?
And do you know what our inital rules of engagement were? To kill anybody wearing a military uniform that wasn’t like ours. But Clinton’s a wimp, right? You know why we didn’t go in there guns a-blazing? Because President Carter got there first and calmed everybody down, that’s why.
Man, don’t talk out your ášš about things you know nothing about.
Peter,
You and I disagree very often when the topic of George W. Bush comes up, but I love your work, and judging purely from what I see on this blog, I strongly suspect I’d like you as a person.
I appreciate the way your cracked down on the “assassination” comment, and I’ll be glad to see you cracking down on trolling. I seem to recall that, a while back, you wrote about balancing your desire to keep things here civil with your desire to allow free speech. While I’m sorry that you need to crack down, I’d rather you do that than to let THOSE people ruin a site that I’ve often cited as a good liberal blog.
Honestly, a lot of the politically charged posts I read here upset me, but not always because I disagree with you. I appreciate the fact that your site exists, bringing these things to my attention so that I can examine them. Sometimes, I’m forced to conclude that the Bush team has made a mistake (sometimes, a serious mistake), and sometimes I come away thinking that I support the administration’s position but understand why thinking people WOULDN’T. Either way, I think I’m always better when I encounter those who think differently from me, as long as their views are held with some degree of rationality, and not with slathering hatred.
R. Maheras: Thus, it would be ironic if a stupid person suddenly solved a vexing problem that had stumped people perceived as much smarter.
No, that’s called “luck” or “surprise”. Not “irony”. Go ask Alanis Morrisette.
Carl: Well, unless of course it was his admin burning a Waco compound
I know it seems things have moved past this, and it *is* a minor point to make at this time, but I do seem to excel at making minor points that de-rail conversations.
Up a ways, DF2506 said “In the America I live in, people CAN say anything they like about the President.”
Which is partially true. People have that right to express their thoughts on the President. And if those thoughts lean toward threats, then 18 United States Code Section 871 says they can go to jail for up to 5 years.
Freedom of Speech doesn’t cover making threats against the President, or anyone in the line of succession to the office of President.
So, I would hardly call PAD’s response to eclark’s attempt at a joke hardly inappropriate or over the top. PAD’s maybe one of the biggest proponents of free speech I’ve ever seen. Suggesting that he’d like to see someone on the other side of the political spectrum permently removed is totally contrary to someone who appears to cherish and revere open political discourse.
Not that there aren’t member of both liberal and conservative houses that don’t feel that way. All the cons saying “we won, you lost, drink the cool aid and toe the line” fall into that trap.
I for one think our government is most effective when all interests are represented, and neither side has a controlling majority. With the Republicans in control of both houses of Congress and the White House, they’re starting to act like the proverbial teenager left alone for the weekend for the first time. Which may turn out to be a great, once-in-a-lifetime party, and if you’re Tom Cruise, lead to an offer from an Ivy League school and a sweet train ride with Rebecca Demornay, but for most kids in real life, it just leads to a huge loss of trust when the parents get home on Sunday night, and they see how badly you managed to screw up in 2 days.
*Man, don’t talk out your ášš about things you know nothing about.*
And other quotes too blithering asinine to bother about. The best thing about liberal asshats is that they id themselves so fast. They are the ones that tell the rest to shut up while they button up their Brownshirts…
Oh, and another point, if these are the Liberal Defense Brigade…. welp, I would be embarrassed to have such brain-dead robots defending me PAD, I love you man, but you need to trade up…
Carl vomited: “And other quotes too blithering asinine to bother about. The best thing about liberal asshats is that they id themselves so fast. They are the ones that tell the rest to shut up while they button up their Brownshirts…”
Carl, the Kettle called, he says your name is “The Pot”… I think you know the rest, but I SEVERELY doubt it…
Now you’re calling me a liberal. That’s pretty funny. Ironically, it was while I was in Haiti that USA Today ran a poll to see where readers stand in the left-right, liberal-conservative spectrum. The far left was represented by Bill Clinton, the far right by Ronald Reagan. I was somewhere to the right of BushSr. So… your point?
And again, so you’re saying that we should have let the murdering drug czar Raoul Cedras remain in power? That we shouldn’t have reinstated the democratically elected president? Do you even know what the hëll you’re getting “mad or upset” about?