“Fonzie in 2008”

After some thought, I’ve decided the Fonz is the ideal presidential Candidate for 2008. Since the country has effectively Jumped the Shark with the election just past, there’s no one more appropriate.

I’ve even got the slogan: “Putting the ‘Aaaaay!’ in Aaaaay-merica.”

PAD

237 comments on ““Fonzie in 2008”

  1. Peter, Peter, Peter. While the Fonz would’ve worked back in the late 50s ala JFK, his womanizing ways would sink his administration today ala Clinton’s problems times ten.

    Not to mention that that scandal involving the disappearing Chuck Cunningham and the gossip about the Fonz and Mrs. C.

  2. I think there’s only one choice for the next President – Homer Simpson.

    He goes to church on Sundays, he’s sure to appeal to the people frightened of intellectual candidates (as long as he keeps that crayon inserted in his brain) and he believes problems can be solved with violence.

    What more could you ask for?

  3. I don’t know…the Fonz was awfully prone to using violence to solve his problems.

    But America “jumped the shark”? Pshaw. Our best days are ahead of us.

  4. Advice to US Democrats:

    Don’t sweat it.

    Seriously.

    Sometimes people have to make their own mistakes before they realise the error of their ways.

    Sometimes you need to let something play out to it’s natural + logical conclusion.

    If the way America used to be, or to be more accurate: the way some people think it used to be, is the way that America should be now then things will change just as they did last time.

    You can’t roll back the clock and live in some fixed ideal tme that you believe existed in the past. All you’re doing is setting in motion the same chain of events that brought about the way things are now.

    The people you’re aghast at will come to see that for themselves if only at their own pace.

    King Canute went down to the shore and sat on his throne and commanded the tide to stay out.

    Millions of ‘American Canutes’ can all shout at the tide (which represents natural progression in case you hadn’t already twigged) but, ultimately, the tide pays no attention.

    You could change the constitution to essentially ban all ‘gayness’ if you wanted. But is there anyone here who honestly believes that 10, 50, 100 years from now that gay people won’t be getting married and no-one will bat an eyelid.

    Liberal is a dirty word in America at the moment. Liberal Reform is seen by many as the root of all evil.
    Yes, liberal reform throws up problems and issues but…….for those that don’t get it yet……..that’s the point.
    You deal with the issues and problems as best you can and you muddle through and move on.

    Conservatism, by it’s very name and nature, is a fear of change. But all the fear in the world and all the resistance to change won’t stop it from happening anyway.

    So ban sex education from schools and replace it with telling kids that sex before marriage = eternal dámņáŧìøņ.

    Then wait for the backlash and inevitable change.

    Attempt to ban abortion, which is illogical, unworkable and unsustainable and…….well, you get the idea I’m sure.

    Let Billy Graham and those who think like him have their counterrevolution.

    Why?

    Well, what do you think will, inevitably, follow it?

    We’ve been here before.

    You have History on your side.

  5. …I still want Captain America for President. But since we need someone real… Jason David Frank. Terrorists come after us? He can step on them with his seemingly endless array of Power Rangers Zords…

  6. Apparently Chicken Little has already replaced Tom Daschle as the Democrat leader. Hysterical blind panic seems to be setting in….”Run to the cave! We’ll be safe in the cave!”

  7. Capt. America? I guess Superman is out since he wasn’t born in the US……

    And you’re worried about real with “Fonzie” as a suggestion?

    Let’s go back to the old standby: “Kirk for President”

  8. Mark L? Uhm…actuaally, Superman WAS born in the U.S.A., according to the latest continuity. So, as long as you’re building castles in the air and planning to move in by the end of the week, dream BIG!

    (the preceeding has been a presentation of the Nerd Continuity Network. Any resemblance to reality as you know it is sheer coincidence. Sort of like the NeoCons.)

  9. But is there anyone here who honestly believes that 10, 50, 100 years from now that gay people won’t be getting married and no-one will bat an eyelid.

    No doubt. Somewhere. However in the impending Saudi Arabian election no women will be running. Or voting.

    We look back now with shame at the people who were killed and harassed 50 years ago because of their color. Well, most of us do I hope. I’d just as soon not have much of my life spent in a time that future Americans will look back at with similar shame.

  10. Londo Mollari in ’08! “We all have our Keepers”
    Bush even has one of those weird little creatures that no one ever sees controlling him,
    that would be Ðìçk Cheney.

  11. [quote]I’d just as soon not have much of my life spent in a time that future Americans will look back at with similar shame.[/quote]

    Don’t worry. Those of us who understand that gays are people and there is no Constitutional basis for banning intra-gender marriage will be viewed in 50 years as this day’s aboltionists.

    Also, in Europe, I’m told, gays [i]are[/i] getting married and people aren’t batting an eye.

  12. My favorite so far is the Power Ranger, but does it have to be Tommy? If we’re going the Power Ranger route, let’s go with Amy Jo Johnson, the original Pink Ranger. Now HER I’d vote for….

    Although Homer would make a good president too because his wife and daughter wouldn’t let him make TOO many stupid mistakes. He’d be an “everyman President.”

    In the Star Trek universe, Kirk would be as bad as Clinton, charming stupid helpless interns and then having his way with them. Now Mackenzie Calhoun….there’s a president for you. He served his country (his whole world actually), fought for freedom, he knows the price. Anyone gets in his way, he bowls them over. I’d feel safe with Calhoun as president. Janeway’d be just as good too.

    If we look at actors who have portrayed the president:
    Harrison Ford: “We will never negotiate. We will no longer tolerate (terrorism) and we will no longer be afraid. It’s your turn to be afraid. ”
    Oh hëll yea, he’s got my vote.
    Morgan Freeman: He portrayed a very humanizing president.
    Jack Nicholson: C’mon….really….who WOULDN’T vote for Jack.
    Bill Pullman: He kicked Alien áššëš. What’s a terrorist to him?
    Michael Douglas: Another good “Everyman” president.

    Gene Hackman’s out, so is Donald Moffat and Cliff Robertson, (although I would vote for Snake Pliskin.)

  13. “Mark L? Uhm…actuaally, Superman WAS born in the U.S.A., according to the latest continuity.”

    Actually re-revised continuity seems to have cast doubts on this. Byrne-continuity has been replaced by Waid-continuity, which has re-introduced an extra terrerstial birth for Kal-El.

  14. > Mark L? Uhm…actuaally, Superman WAS born in the U.S.A., according to the latest continuity. So, as long as you’re building castles in the air and planning to move in by the end of the week, dream BIG!

    Actually, according to the LATEST continuity, he’s back to being born on Krypton. Waid’s attempt to wind back the clock’n’all.

  15. Well… maybe it’s my desire to try to find something good in any situation, but the “silver lining” in the cloud of Bush being elected is that we know *exactly* how long it’ll be before he’s out, right?

    Still going to be a loooooooooooong four years, though.

  16. Don’t forget “My Fellow Americans”

    Jack Lemmon, James Garner, Dan Aykroyd

    I think I could handle Maverick as President 🙂

  17. “…I still want Captain America for President. But since we need someone real… Jason David Frank. Terrorists come after us? He can step on them with his seemingly endless array of Power Rangers Zords…”

    He has had a few, hasn’t he?

    Dragonzord (one of the original Dinozords),
    White Tiger Thunderzord (not to be cofused with the later White Tiger Wild Zord),
    White Ninja Falconzord,
    Zeo Zord V,
    Red Battlezord,
    Super Zeo Zord V,
    Red Lightning Turbo Zord
    Brachio DinoThunder Zord (which is basically a glorified Carrier, but the Brachio Staff compestates very nicely. Just ask what’s left of Golden Boy…)

    What about Wes Collins (with Eric Meyers as Vice-President?)

  18. So ban sex education from schools and replace it with telling kids that sex before marriage = eternal dámņáŧìøņ.

    Then wait for the backlash and inevitable change.

    Attempt to ban abortion, which is illogical, unworkable and unsustainable and…….well, you get the idea I’m sure.

    Let Billy Graham and those who think like him have their counterrevolution.

    You clearly do not know what conservative Christians believe and actually want to do. If you are afraid of Billy Graham, then you are really out of touch. He has worked fairly with Dem & Rep. He has avoided most, if not all, political issues and has focued on preaching the Good News of salvation in Jesus Christ. So what exactly are you afraid of with Billy Graham?

    On the issues you mention, abstinence programs don’t teach a fear of “dámņáŧìøņ.” They teach, based on documented evidence, that teen sex can be very destructive right now. Using “protection” does not avoid all forms of sexual disease. Condoms can fail, allowing pregnancy. An opinion they teach, and which I agree, is that teens are not emotionally ready for the emotional entanglements of sex. There are a lot of emotional issues going on already as a teen. Sex just further complicates things in a way that is not necessary.

    You don’t have to agree with all of these reasons. But your portral of abstinence teaching ignores what is really being taught. Very few people think it is a good thing for TEENS to be highly sexually active. There are too many potential ramifications that can last a life time. (For example, a teen pregnancy. Even if you choose an abortion, that is still an emotional issue you carry with you for the rest of your life.)

    I won’t even get into the abortion issue. That would take too long to go into here and has been debated many times already on this site.

    Jim in Iowa

  19. Its funny when Kirk is mentioned. I think back to the Next Generation episodes to have Spock and he mentions Kirk’s ‘cowboy diplomacy’ and I think its a bit like Bush. I looked at this election as a sort of Kirk V. Picard disput amongst the fans.

    I think we, the ones that supported Kerry, should remain vocal as to what we think this administration should be doing. Ecenomy, jobs, health care are things that are overall important. Even if the war ends tomorrow, these are things that must be getting worked on no matter what. The country needs to prosper, have healthy and educated kids, and it should have the best job market in the world. That’s what we want.

  20. “I don’t know…the Fonz was awfully prone to using violence to solve his problems.”

    Yeah because, y’know, Bush never does that…

    “But America “jumped the shark”? Pshaw. Our best days are ahead of us.”

    No. No, they’re really not.

    I don’t think people have quite wrapped themselves around what’s happening. I don’t think they really understand why Jews always say, “Never again.” That philosophy causes one to possess a…I don’t know…a sense of eternal vigilance.

    Let’s see what we’ve got:

    Declaring war on countries that haven’t attacked us, going in and trying to conquer them. Check.

    Restriction of civil rights. Check.

    Formalizing bias against gays. Check.

    Saber-rattling in the name of God. Check.

    People rounded up and held indefinitely. Check.

    People in foreign lands rounded up and tortured. Check.

    Taking actions that cause the world to see us as a rogue nation with a fanatic in charge. Check.

    Don’t you see? Don’t you get it?

    These things don’t happen overnight. They happen bit by bit, one step at a time, and the circumstances aren’t going to be identical, and every step along the way there will be people to deny it’s happening. There are ALWAYS people to deny it’s happening. Hëll, there are people who sixty years later continue to deny it EVER happened.

    But it did and it can again. One step at a time, one drop of water on the rock of liberty to erode it at a time.

    That’s how it always starts. And we’ve seen where it goes.

    PAD

  21. You guys on the left have officialy gone off the deep end. The last day or so has proven that to me. Good luck with ever winning another major political race.

  22. Hmmmmmm, the people honestly made their choice and “jumped the shark”? So, I guess that means America should be cancelled and soon? Hmmmm, if you are going to pick an Italian icon and a good one for America it should be Tony Soprano, you know, the one the neocommie Clooney compared GWB to? Bada-boom-bada-bing, them terrorist f*cks are no longer part of da scene, fugeddaboutit…

  23. Oh no… Eric’s the Secretary of Defense… Someone gets on America’s case, we end up with Q-Rex and Silver Guardian action in the middle east. And lest we forget, Tommy’s also got those Auxillary Zords… Warrior Wheel… And he’ll probably be back in another seven years with yet ANOTHER set of powers.

    Nice to know I’m not the only Rangers fan on the blog commentary. But I’m not voting for Kimberly… I like her music too much to pull her away from it. Wes WOULD be nice… But too much risk that his EEEEEEVIL twin from the future Alex (come on. We saw how he was. HAS to be evil) might take his place.

    Hmmm… Lord Zedd for President? Mesogog would be nice… if only because both are OPEN about wanting to annihilate us all. Unlike the current administration.

    Now a big question… is Bush dumber than Zeo era Rocky?

    And apologies to PAD for “morphing” this entire debate. May the power protect you… until Bush takes it away.

  24. I’ve decided the Fonz is the ideal presidential Candidate for 2008.

    A short Jewish guy from Hollywood? Good luck selling that to the red states.

  25. I don’t know. I can’t find any humor in any of this.

    I feel so distraught and powerless that I can’t even imagine how I can cope with another 4 more years of this. I was pretty much bedridden yesturday.

    All the campaigns against Bush didn’t do squat in the long run and now I can only withness while this country further takes the path of the Neo-con philosophy. All I can pretty much do is vent and that still doesn’t solve anything.

    I don’t know how I’ll be able to handle myself when history starts to repeat itself.

  26. You guys on the left have officialy gone off the deep end.

    Here’s a post from a fellow on another forum I read:

    —–

    What do you think of newly elected GOP Senators?

    Specifically, what do you think of Jim DeMin (R-SC) and Tom Coburn (R-OK)?

    If you’re not familiar with these two guys, here’s a snapshot of their views:

    Coburn voted against disaster relief for his own state. He advocated the death penalty for abortionists and warned that “the gay agenda” poses a big national threat/

    DeMint easily defeated Democratic challenger Inez Tenenbaum despite saying he backed a national sales tax and said unwed mothers and homosexuals should not be teachers.

    Is it my imagination or is the Republican Party moving to the very fringes of the right? Do the conservatives on this board feel these newly elected Senators represent your views? I realize they may not represent your state of residence, but they will play a role in policy making that will affect all of us.

    —–

    Yeah, it’s really those on the left that have gone off the deep end. Uhoh. Ok. Sure.

    Here’s my take, from same forum, on the next 4 years:

    —–

    Bush’s agenda

    Iraq
    He got us into this mess, and I can’t see him getting us out of it since he fails to grasp the fact that he royally @#%$ this up.

    Some privitization of Social Security
    Agree with it in principle, but the last place I would want to put my money atm is the stock market – I would prefer a personal 401k that is valid whereever I take it for employment, along with other options.

    Gay Marriage Ban Amendment
    Coming soon to a Constitution near you.

    Moving “this goodhearted nation toward a culture of life”
    A direct challenge on Rowe vs Wade. Again, coming to a Constitution near you.

    Halving the deficit
    How the hëll is Bush going to do this after he already told us we didn’t have to pay for the war in Iraq? When the national debt ceiling had to be raised? It just isn’t going to happen, and we and our children and our children’s children are going to pay for it.

    “Vote Cthulu – for when you’re tired of the lesser of two evils.”

  27. “Londo Mollari in ’08! “We all have our Keepers”
    Bush even has one of those weird little creatures that no one ever sees controlling him,”

    Hunh. So THAT’S what that little thing in the back of his jacket was during the debate.

    PAD

  28. Hunh. So THAT’S what that little thing in the back of his jacket was during the debate.

    Considering his first debate performance with all of the stammering and stuttering, he must have been doing a good job of fighting its influence.

  29. Hunh. So THAT’S what that little thing in the back of his jacket was during the debate.

    Either that or one of those strange mind controlling insects from Star Trek: the Next Generation… No, not the Trill. The other one.

  30. Craig, I was speaking about..well…YOU guys. If the liberals here represent a good cross section of liberal thought..then I can honestly see why you lost almost all of the elections on Tuesday. One party doesn’t control most state legislatures, governers, congressmen, senators, and the presidency because they are stupid, wrong, or out of touch with America. That goes to the losers.

  31. Well, it’s certainly possible, James, to be stupid and wrong and be IN touch with America. As was sung on the Daily show a couple weeks ago… “I’d rather be right… than President…”

  32. Well, I find it interesting that you guys agree with Europe and believe that the majority in this country is stupid. Kerry spoke of unity yesterday and all I can find here are people who claim to have been bedridden all day because they were so sad about Bush winning. YOU guys are the fear and hate-mongers, not conservatives. You try to scare the American people into voting against Bush and then when he wins you scare yourselves into believing the world is over. During the 90’s I couldn’t complain about Clinton without someone jumping down my throat, yet the left has treated our president worse than I thought any American could ever do. Fine. You guys continue to live fright-filled, jumping at shadows world.

  33. 4 years from now there will be new elections. None of the people on this board will have been rounded up and placed in camps for their beliefs (I can’t promise that they won’t be in jail for other offenses. Some of y’all have potential for all kinds of stuff.). Despiet claims of oppression it will still be easy to produce films, comics, books etc that protray the government in a negative way (to say the least). It won’t be nazi germany or anything like it (unless you think it’s already like nazi germany in which case there’s no point in arguing).

    Let’s revisit all this in 4 years and see who’s right.

  34. During the 90’s I couldn’t complain about Clinton without someone jumping down my throat, yet the left has treated our president worse than I thought any American could ever do.

    I am amused by this grand statement of blindness. Obviously what’s good for the goose is not good for the gander.

  35. Whoa! reports are coming in that Yasser Arafat has been declared clinically brain dead. The mind reels at possible responses; Cruel–“how could they tell?’ Sarcastic-“Why is always the good who die young?” Wistfull–“Gee, I was really hoping they were going to drag him out into the streets and shoot him like a dog.”

    I’ll just settle for…”Good.”

  36. Kerry spoke of unity yesterday

    And Bush talks of unity as well.

    It won’t happen.

    The entire campaign is spent on trying to put a wedge into the minds of the people, and then, with a snap of the finger, we’re to forget about it once a winner is declared.

    Sure, only if you’re living in a delusional world.

    If Bush wants to unite this country, he’ll step down and let somebody WORTHY of the job in.

  37. With these election results, President and GOP Senators, I am ashamed to be American. The conservatives on this board just don’t get it.

    Bush is not going to attempt to unify the country. He did not really attempt to do it the first time around.

    Thank God, I am not of draft age.

  38. Posted by Carl: Hmmmmmm, the people honestly made their choice and “jumped the shark”? So, I guess that means America should be cancelled and soon?

    But Carl, the best thing about this is…if America is cancelled, it’ll come back soon in expanded DVD form with multiple-disc seasonal sets (228 of them) plenty of extras: commentary, bloopers, documentaries, letterboxing! And it’ll be 25% off at Amazon.

  39. Thank God, I am not of draft age.

    More evidence of liberals believing their own scare tactics.

  40. “It won’t be nazi germany or anything like it”

    You’re still not getting it.

    The people in Nazi Germany likewise didn’t think it was Nazi Germany, if you know what I mean…until it was too late.

    My grandfather saw the rising tide of hatred. Of discrimination. Of religious fanaticism. All this when he was in Berlin, and when he packed up my father and grandmother and got the hëll out, all the neighbors told him he was nuts. That things would become better. That he was overreacting.

    And all the neighbors died.

    PAD

  41. god, the bitterness of the election results when will it stop, get over it already!!!

    bush tried to make amends post election (during his speech) and you’re still doing this crap?

    the discussion is old, why do i even bookmark this site anymore? it’s the same old šhìŧ all the time and hardly anything to do about comics or writing in general, it’s like notes on a fridge for your wife to read.

    if liberals and conservatives can’t get along why would we with other nations? ask yourself that if you’re one of the liberals crying boo-hoo about how the world hates us, who gives a frick?!? go gloom and doom yourself in a closet, pal. you give bush no slack and as a jew you ought to be ashamed because how we’ve kept relations with israel stronger and opposed the palastin regime.

    the president is only one person. a friggin figure head. 4 years is nothing to weep over, and 4 more isn’t going to bring the end of the world like ya think. kerry and his i got a plan BS. just answer some simple questions instead of being a dodgy, slimy lawyer. kerry wouldn’t save the world. one guy is NOT going to do ALL the things he said he would have.

    finally, accept a president who got the job done and kicked sadaam’s ášš when everyone before him bombed and bombed him again ultimately failing his demise.

    2 of my 4 neighbors are a$$holes do i care what they think about me? NO.

    that’s why the democrats lost! you guys want to relate to the public at large at least present a plan of hope and stop talking like you’re standing on hëll’s doorstep. either that or go there and stay.

    had Kerry won, where we conservatives are better people, we wouldn’t be mooping around and being stupid, we’d have faced facts and tried to work together.

  42. Peter David: After some thought, I’ve decided the Fonz is the ideal presidential Candidate for 2008. Since the country has effectively Jumped the Shark with the election just past, there’s no one more appropriate. I’ve even got the slogan: “Putting the ‘Aaaaay!’ in Aaaaay-merica.”
    Luigi Novi: Great idea. I hope he pledges no more tax cuts for the rich-amundo.

    Tom Galloway: While the Fonz would’ve worked back in the late 50s ala JFK, his womanizing ways would sink his administration today ala Clinton’s problems times ten.
    Luigi Novi: Ah, but toward the end of the series, he was going steady with that single mother, wasn

  43. [b]Well, I find it interesting that you guys agree with Europe and believe that the majority in this country is stupid.[/b]

    I find it interesting that I, and Europe, are right. I also find it mind-numbingly depressing.

    [b]Kerry spoke of unity yesterday and all I can find here are people who claim to have been bedridden all day because they were so sad about Bush winning.[/b]

    That’s because Kerry is trying to be somewhat graceful. I, an anonymous poster in a forum I don’t usually post on, feel no such compunction, nor do I feel I should. After four years of bullying and having my opinions declared “unAmerican” — as scurrilous an accusation as can be made, as [i]all[/i] ideas and opinions should have been [i]welcome[/i] in the former land of the free — I fail to see any reason that reasonable, thinking people whose federally protected disagreement with the government was repeatedly dismissed by the increasingly cocksure right without any kind of critical analysis (which would have shown that [i]we were right all along, moron[/i]) should be nice about learning that the majority of the country really are as stupid and ignorant as we feared.

    [b]YOU guys are the fear and hate-mongers, not conservatives. You try to scare the American people into voting against Bush and then when he wins you scare yourselves into believing the world is over.[/b]

    Bûllšhìŧ. Bush’s campaign drew all of its strength from fear. Fear of terrorism (which, thanks to his ineptitude, is now only threatening our military in a hostile country and is unlikely to happen stateside in any significant measure again for some time), fear of losing the “culture war” (read: dudes getting it on with other dudes), which is in reality a complete non-issue, since it doesn’t have the slightest thing to do with nearly anybody who believes that gay marriage is actually a threat to them — in other words, everybody who’s afraid of gay marriage is completely and objectively wrong, legally speaking — and even stupid šhìŧ that they wouldn’t have thought of if not for Karl Rove — such as liberals (the people who are in favor of [i]expanding[/i] civil rights, mind you) wanting to ban the Bible.

    So, yes; we’re scared, as we have every right to be. Our civil rights have been gradually eroding as Fundamentalist Evangelicals have established an increasingly steady foothold in American politics. With the Republican sweep, they’re about to erode as fast as those same Fundamentalists think the Grand Canyon did.

    Fortunately for us heathen liberals, there exists a slight majority that knows better for us, and managed to elect the right man to be the first resident of the United States of Jesus Christ In Our Father’s Name We Pray Amen.
    [b]During the 90’s I couldn’t complain about Clinton without someone jumping down my throat, yet the left has treated our president worse than I thought any American could ever do.[/b]

    I don’t know what ’90s YOU lived through, but as I recall, the ’90s were rife with people badmouthing Bill Clinton with far more nonsensical crap than Bush has had to deal with. Plus, Clinton didn’t have a compliant media willing to objectively report the White House’s spin without any significant criticism or analysis.

    I give you an example from Al Franken’s [i]Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them[/i] (Paraphrased):

    Sean Hannity, on the war in Iraq last year:
    People shouldn’t question the president! It only lessens the morale of our troops!

    Sean Hannity, six years ago on Bosnia-Herzagovina[sp?]:
    Frankly, I don’t think Bill Clinton has the moral capacity to lead this war.

    For the record, Clinton’s military endeavor was accomplished with no US casualties and the Chechs regard him as the hero who saved them from genocide to this day.

    I don’t think I need to compare that to Iraq — I’m sure you know all the numbers.

    So if people were jumping down your throat for criticizing Clinton, are you sure it wasn’t because you were saying stupid things? There were legitimate criticisms of Clinton — I even have a few. No president is perfect. However, Bill Clinton was far closer to a perfect president than George Bush has the moral or intellectual capacity to be, and because of his administrations tactic of bullying dissenters, every criticism, however legitimate — and you must have been saying stupid things about Clinton if you don’t think [i]that’s[/i] true — is dismissed as “liberal whining” or any number of other crude brushoffs.

    No, we’ve got every reason to fear that the hostility of the right will only grow — after all, they are backed by Fundamentalist Evangelicals, who are decidedly rude people to a man — and our rights will be trampled as they set G-Dub up as the new God-King of the AmeriChristian Empire.

    Oh, and before you say anything, I know I’m being melodramatic. That’s because realism is far too easily brushed off by the self-righteous.

  44. [BOLD]had Kerry won, where we conservatives are better people, we wouldn’t be mooping around and being stupid, we’d have faced facts and tried to work together.[/BOLD]

    you mean like you did both times that Clinton won?

  45. My grandfather saw the rising tide of hatred. Of discrimination. Of religious fanaticism.

    What happend to Germany was terrible, but it isn’t happening here. To say “Well, your just not seeing it” is plain foolish.

    Rise of hatred? There is no rise of hate in this president or his adminstration. The only hate I am seeing is coming from the wacko-left.

    Rise of discrimination? Who? Blacks? Gays? They are not being discriminated against. Secretary of State, Secretary of Education, and the National Security Advisor are held by blacks for the first time in history. Protecting the rights of states to not be forced to do something they do not want to do by courts is not discrimination.

    Rise of religioius fanaticism? I don’t see a rise at all, but rather a real and ernest attempt to hold on to the religious beliefs and freedoms that have always been here.

    You guys are trying to change the majority. Not the other way around.

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