Cowboy Pete saddles up for “Fantastic Four”

Just came back from seeing what is reportedly the single worst comic book movie ever made.

Herewith my thoughts:

You’re all insane.

Seriously. You are all freaking nuts.

“Superman IV” was a terrible superhero film. “Howard the Duck.” “Spider-Man 3.” “Elektra,” “Catwoman,” the first “Hulk” movie, “Ghost Rider,” “Constantine” (Tilda Swinton aside), “X-Men 3” (so bad that it was written out of continuity), “Batman and Robin,” “The Return of Swamp Thing.” These are all worthy of being deemed truly bad superhero movies, not to mention bad films in and of themselves.

“Fantastic Four”–good film. Better than the “Fantastic Four” film from a few years ago.

Is it perfect? Heavens no. The pacing isn’t great and the plot is uneven. But the acting is fine, the effects are fine, and the fan bìŧçhìņg is ridiculous.

Oh my God, Victor Von Doom is an obnoxious genius! As opposed to when he was first introduced in the Lee/Kirby origin story where he was an obnoxious genius. Oh my God, the Thing isn’t wearing blue shorts! Because unlike previous films where his body is transmuted, in this one we see him actually being covered with an explosion of flying rocky debris which adheres to him, so there is absolutely no reason for him to be wearing clothing of any sort because the rock is a massive covering. Oh my God, Sue Storm doesn’t travel with them to the alternate dimension! Right, because she winds up staying behind and being the one who activates the equipment and retrieves them from the other dimension, saving their lives. Oh my God, it’s so serious! Yeah, because in the previous two FF films, fans bìŧçhëd endlessly about the humor.

Maybe I just liked it because my expectations had been so lowered. When the film scores so much lower than so many films that I believed were ghastly, I was anticipating that it would be virtually unwatchable. Instead it’s a perfectly fine movie about a group of explorers. I swear, if they had been given different powers, different names, and not been called the “Fantastic Four,” I think most fans would have been fine with it. But the simple fact is that people have been gunning for this movie for a year and the narrative has to conclude with this film being as terrible as “John Carter,” which I absolutely loved.

So see it, don’t see it, whatever. But do NOT come to me and bìŧçh about how you know it’s so awful without having gone to see it, because it’s really not.

PAD

68 comments on “Cowboy Pete saddles up for “Fantastic Four”

  1. Well said! People have been on this films back since the get-go. I really enjoyed it (and loved the previous two movies as well). Well done for not jumping on the hate-bandwagon!

  2. The problem for me is that this movie is called the Fantastic Four. I think you are right that if it were called something else it wouldn’t get the hate it is getting. Since, however, it was expected to be a Fantastic Four movie and it had to be better than the first two and try to live up to the Marvel movies. Unfortunately, Trank had one vision, the studio had another and as a result it’s easy to see what’s on screen as a fight between two visions for the movie. Unfortunately, in my opinion, they were incompatible and what we got was less than the sum of the parts. I really like the actors and what they did with their characters. I’d pay to see them in another FF movie, once everyone agrees on what kind of movie it will be.

  3. Hi, Peter. I, too, don’t think it was as bad as some folks would have one think. However, I think there are problems with it. For one thing, for a film with only one big action sequence, you’d think that the remainder of the film would have more character interaction. Yes, we get young Reed and Ben together, and a bit of Reed and Sue, but Ben, Johnny and Sue hardly speak to one another. The “one year later” jump rings false. Ben has come to terms with his new existence? Reed just ran off? The other three are content with working for the U.S. military? None of the above is impossible, but any motivation is just skipped over.
    And then there’s Doom. Victor before the transformation is less obnoxious than the version we meet in FF Annual #1. But after…does he have a real motivation for destroying the Earth in favor of the barren wasteland of Planet Zero? Doom should never be simply insane – megalomaniacal and obsessive, yes, but not bat$#!t crazy.
    I can sympathize with folks who don’t want to cast an economic vote in favor of this version by seeing it in theaters, but I agree that if you haven’t seen it, you shouldn’t critique it on the basis of seconhand information.

    1. I agree with all your points.

      And, PAD, the Thing is merely covered with rocky debris? One, that makes no sense, how is he super-strong? And, two, it evokes that terrible Thing cartoon show! Thing ring, do your thing!

    1. I make the best novel that I can. Sometimes I go to extremes. In “The Return of Swamp Thing,” I left out scenes and dialogue that I thought were terrible, put in brand new scenes of my own invention, and changed the ending. Indeed, when DC editorial was asked at conventions about the movie, the response was “Skip the movie, read the book.”

      PAD

      1. I actually *really* loved your novel of the first HULK film; it was almost a psychological horror novel, and really treated this notion of having this…thing inside of you as something terrifying, yet seductive. Like “Return of Swamp Thing,” it was so much better than the movie.

        (I’m afraid I didn’t read your Spider-Man 3 novel.)

  4. I think a lot of people misunderstand the Rotten Tomatoes rating system. A lower score does not mean it’s a worse movie, just fewer critics enjoyed it. Even if you loved the first half of the new Fantastic Four, chances were you hated the radically different second half, and vice versa. All the other movies you listed were indeed worse, but at least they were more consistent in tone.

    1. Well, then I have a lot of company, because I’ve read dozens of stories declaring it to be the worst movie ever, and every SINGLE ONE cites Rotten Tomatoes as the source. And I have no clue what people are talking about in regards to the “radically different” second half. The first half led up to their getting their powers, and the second half details what came after. The tone is perfectly consistent.

      PAD

      1. Interesting you should say that when we know for a fact the producers booted Trank off the film and that the entire ending was both written and directed by other people entirely.

  5. You pretty much some up my issue with many of the reviews. God or bad, like or dislike that’s fine. But don’t suggest Fox (or even Trank) are destroying the franchise with their version(s).

  6. X-Men 3 is NOT as bad as people make it out to be.

    I dare anyone to watch X-Men 1-3 all over again.

    You can tell that 1&2 are done by someone who cares nothing about the X-Men.

    X-Men 3 at least felt like a TEAM movie and not just another “Wolverine featuring the X-Men” film. For better or worse, it actually felt like a live-action episode of the Saturday morning cartoon.

  7. I thought Spider-Man 3 was pretty good, and thought X-Men: The Last Stand was okay. I didn’t dislike either one.

    Of course, now I’m really curious to see FF. Hope I can do so before it disappears from theaters.

    1. The main problem with Spider-Man 3 was that there was way too much going on. Frequently superhero sequels have to up the ante by adding more characters to the mix. Look at the 90s Batman movies. The first had one hero, one villain, and the love interest. By Batman and Robin, you had one hero, two sidekicks, three villains (including Bane), and the love interest.

      1. I never got that sense with Spidey 3. All the characters there were there because they were part of the plot.

        As far as Schumacher’s Batman films, those schlocky pieces of šhìŧ had problems that went far beyond having too many characters.

  8. Peter:

    I wrote something very similar to this after seeing it last weekend. Because of all the negative bleak reviews I went in with zero expectations and kind of a fresh pallet (so to speak).

    It turned out to be a nice entertaining movie, but hardly the block buster which some of the latest marvel fare has become… and I think that is what kind-of sparked the negativity. The fans want every subsequent release to be as good or better than what’s come before, in the Marvel Movie Universe, and it’s jaded them against something that’s smaller, more intimate.

    Granted there were plenty of flaws in the narrative and for God sakes….get off of Dr. Doom! Enough already!! But there was enough meat on the bone to go forward and build off of this groundwork.

    1. Oh God, yes. There’s such a huge stable of antagonists that the FF have available. Just for starters, I assume that Planet Zero is in the Negative Zone. Maybe they were saving the giant beetle with the Cosmic Control Rod for the sequel.

      I didn’t hate the movie, but I didn’t love it either. I might have liked it better if I had spotted the homages to the original comic that I missed: the four adventurers hijacking their own craft so they could be first, the fact that Ben Grimm is the only voice of caution out of the whole group…

      1. Hmmm. Ego hadn’t occurred to me and it could explain a lot. However, it looked to me that the filmmakers were using the Ultimate Marvel version of the FF and in that version, the place that Reed is sending stuff is the “N-Zone” and we later encounter Annihilus there, so I figured it was the Negative Zone.

      2. I would guess that Fox doesn’t have the rights to Ego the Living Planet, since the character originated in the Thor strip, not in either FF or X-Men. If they had wanted to, they might have been able to do a similar creature with the serial numbers filed off, since the basic concept has been used elsewhere in science fiction.

  9. I’ve been spoilered on a few brutal points with the Thing that have put me off the movie. The trailers had me willing to give it a chance, but if I can’t make it out of the house to see Ant-Man I’m going to leave this for a rental.

    And, honestly, Doom needs to be the star of his own movie. Doesn’t need to fit in with other canon. His rise can carry a film.

    By the way, what happens to Eddie Brock in the Spider-Man 3 novelization… Brr! Was that something Raimi wanted to do or your own sick invention?

  10. I enjoyed the movie until the last act. The final confrontation with Doom just seemed to be an editing room hack job. it’s a good movie with a badly edited climax with a lot of fun scenes. Loved it when Reed caused the blackout.

  11. I’ve been waiting for this. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, PAD.

    The first half was a great little sci-fi movie, and then it turned into a perfectly acceptable superhero movie. My son came out of the film saying that Reed is now his favourite superhero. How cool is that? Mr Fantastic is one of the most important characters in the Marvel Universe — the go-to guy for just about everything — but he’s nobody’s favourite. Now he is.

  12. For me, the question is not whether this is a good movie. It is whether it is a good FF movie. And for me, so many fundamentals have been changed that I cannot enjoy this movie regardless of the quality of film making. My head will just constantly be going, I have to accept this, and this, and this.
    It’s the main reason I never got in to the Ultimate line in the first place. Wholesale change is different from progression. So I could accept your Hulk which was radically different from the original version. I could not and cannot accept the changes here.

  13. So many critics are panning this movie that it can’t all be FF fan bìŧçhìņg. I’ll ignore the hyperbolic debate over “worst superhero movie” and just call it a bad movie. I do think it is a dog pile now for reviews and reviewers alike. It seems as if everyone is trying to out “bad review” the last guy. I will say that lowered expectation can help when a movie is mediocre, but I don’t want to see a FF movie with low expectations.

    1. As noted, critics have been gunning for this movie for a year. Every so often a production comes along that’s troubled and when it is, critics and the media cover it endlessly and weave an ongoing story about how the movie is going to be terrible. By the time the movie comes out, reviews often focus more on the troubled history than the movie itself (HOW many reviews of “Ant-Man” delved into the Edgar Wright mess?) In circumstances like that, it is often irrelevant what’s actually on the screen; the reviews are more or less pre-written. I mean, I remember when the critics were gunning for “Terminator 2” because of its then unheard of budget of $100 million. There were so many articles about it that they went in prepared to trash it. And of course that film was so good that even the critics couldn’t bash it. But you bet that every review still brought up the budget.

      PAD

      1. That’s the standard contrarian line; “The only reason this got 90% bad reviews is that everybody was totally biased and unfair.” Sometimes the simplest explanation is the most likely. Sometimes the reason a movie gets bad reviews is… it’s bad. No conspiracy.

      2. There are quite a few movies, Matt, that have been dumped on by critics that were good films. Indeed, most films that are considered “cult favorites” got raked over the coals by the critics. Off the top of my head: “Return to Oz.” Brilliant film, critically eviscerated. So much so I think the director stopped directing. I’m not saying there’s a conspiracy; I’m saying a mindset sometimes develops that a film is going to suck, and it’s easier to declare that it did than go in with a clear mind and realize you’re seeing something much better than the narrative.

        PAD

      3. The only people who were sure this movie was going to suck were angry nerds who were miffed at the casting. Professional critics didn’t care one way or another. Hëll, on paper, this movie couldn’t have been more critic-friendly: they hired the director of pretty much the only non-Marvel/Batman superhero movie that the critics liked, and cast four talented actors who have received great reviews in the past. I’ve read plenty of reviews by folks who were rooting for this movie, and still ended up hating it. These movies might be good to you, but it doesn’t meant they are to everyone (most people still hate Return to Oz).

      4. And Return to Oz has 55% on Rotten Tomatoes. It’s not just fans or critics; even the people who made this film said it’s bad.

  14. It still bothers me seeing black Americans given the role of heroes, considering their overall violent culture and lack of redeeming values. The likes of Human Torch, Nick Fury, and many others have now been forever ruined, in my eyes.

    And before you call this post racist, I said black Americans, not the species’ counterparts in other countries/continents.

    1. In the history of the world there has never been a comment which included a “I’m not a racist” waiver that wasn’t in fact deeply racist.

      The so-proud-of-his-views-that-he-signs-his-name-to-them Pseudonym continues this tradition.

    2. I really hope that’s satire. If that’s genuine…wow.

      I’m in the camp of “haven’t seen because my gut feeling from advance info is telling me to stay away” camp. That having been said should I see it later I’m open to the possibility that I may like it. An unseen movie is neither good nor bad as film quality is in the eye of the beholder.

      In terms of the race thing, I find that initially I like the familiar but it doesn’t take too long in a movie or show for me to adjust a character’s race change. Different reality, different rules. I suspect that it’s not quite as big an issue as some want to make it out to be. If they like the material people eventually forget about that aspect and get caught up in the performances.

  15. I don’t know if MST3K movies are somehow exempt from “worst movie ever” lists, but for my money the worst superhero movie ever (and, probably not coincidentally, my favorite MST3K episode) is PUMAMAN. This fails on almost every level, from the incoherent powers (“Um, I hate to be a stickler, but pumas aren’t exactly known for their flying abilities”) to Donald Pleasance as the villain who often looks like he’s wearing a dress, to the odd religious/Aztec/aliens storyline. I think even PAD would be hard pressed to do a decent novelization out of that turd.

  16. Nah.
    X-Men : The Last Stand was horrid.
    The first two were made by someone who knew how to make movies. The last one was made by the guy who did Rush Hour (not a bad movie, but just not the equivalent of Singer).
    Spider-Man 3. Just no.
    Both had this in common : the studios had too much input. Just like Batman Returns.
    The original script was Catwoman and Batman, and it was about the masks we wear.
    The studio wanted a third villain.
    And then it became discombobulated.
    (Always wanted to use that word)
    Anyway, haven’t seen it. But I don’t go out to see movies anymore. And when I do, it’s usually for either a new Star Trek or Marvel Studios movie.
    Strangely enough I haven’t watched Age of Ultron. Nor Ant-Man.
    Yet.
    I’m willing to give FF a chance. Hey, I’m one of the few who actually thought Superman Returns was underrated.

    TAC

  17. I went and saw FF because I run a fake awards show for the worst genre things of the year, and everyone has been telling me that this is it. I thought it was fine. Certainly not the greatest movie ever, and definitely has some pacing issues, but certainly not the worst sci-fi/fantasy film of the year by far.

    1. But was it a Fantastic Four movie or a straight Sci-Fi movie?
      I have posted elsewhere, A stretchy guy, rock guy, flaming guy and invisible female does not the FF make. there is more to it than that.

  18. Can I just say that I’m tired of the retelling of origin stories and the every-three-movie-reset because the new creative team can’t figure out how to continue with what the previous team did ?

    I think I would have preferred a new FF movie, even using the new cast, than going back to the beginning again.

    I would have loved a scene like:

    Sue: “Hey, Johnny, when did you turn bl.. ? ”

    Johnny: “Huh ?”

    Sue: “Oh, never mind, its not important.”

    And then just get on with a new story. You can only retell the origin so many times (ideally, zero) before I get tired of it. A couple flashbacks during the movie ? Sure, no problem. Could even add some depth to the characters. But starting again ? And again ? If I had a vote, it would be ‘no’.

    1. I concur that it would be nice to skip the origin and assume that fans of a character/team are familiar enough with them to not require being shown how they started *again*. This may be the only thing SUPERMAN RETURNS got right: letting the audience see Superman without Krypton exploding, the spacecract with the baby landing on Earth, Clark Kent discovering his powers, etc.

  19. Well, when 91% of critics (most of whom are not comic book fans) say it’s not any good, I tend to listen. Then again, I also liked the first FF movie (well, not the FIRST first one, but you know what I mean), and they all hated that, as well. I still have no interest in a remake/reboot ten years later, especially one that’s even less faithful to the comic book.

    Of course, I think everyone is nuts for thinking X-Men: The Last Stand is a bad movie, so I feel your pain.

  20. I appreciate hearing this. Fact is, people have been out for blood on this film since the announcement a black actor was cast as the Human Torch. I’m not suggesting that racism is the sole reason for all the hatred directed at this movie, but it certainly got the ball rolling. I’m under no illusions this is a good movie, but I can’t imagine it’s as bad as everybody is saying. So I appreciate seeing a more reasoned review such as this one. I will see it soon so I can make up my own mind.

  21. The film ain’t garbage. I must say, though, it’s tough to defend a film when you’re not particularly enthusiastic about it. I think it fell apart in the third act; the dialogue during the final fight was atrocious and the fight itself wasn’t particularly exciting or even visually interesting. I was sufficiently interested up to that point, though. Dr.Storm felt a bit like Capt.Platitude, though. The cast was pretty good overall, though.

    Ultimately, I can’t say I cared for it. But for pete’s sake, it’s not as bad as all that.

  22. Well I was going to go, then read all the reviews and decided to wait for blue ray, but if you say its worth going I will cause I really loved John Carter

  23. Saw Fantastic Four a few hours ago. Didn’t think it was great, didn’t think it was terrible.

    After watching it, I read in USA Today the possibility that The Four might show up in the next X-Men movie, which I’d like to see. After all, it wasn’t until the first Avengers movie that they finally got The Hulk right imho.

  24. I haven’t seen it yet, but none of the commercials or previews have made me want to. All the trailers made the tone look really gloomy. And as someone who’s read comics before, nothing I saw really felt like the Fantastic Four.

  25. I did see it, and it’s awful, really awful. And with two or three decades as an occasional film critic, I can divorce myself from being a lifelong FF fan to judge it on its own merits. The dialogue is awful. The story structure is bad, although that could well be because somebody got rid of a huge chunk of the film and replaced it with something equally incomprehensible, a weird patchwork of off-camera lines, over the shoulder shots using doubles and a pathetic Sue Storm replacement wig that does not match up at all with the original hair style. The editing is inept- just look at the scene when Reed calls Ben, who’s still in bed, to ask him to join them. Ben turns over in bed, obviously going back to sleep, but that cuts to a shot of Ben arriving at the building. And while this film doesn’t seem to care about the rest of the Marvel universe, did they really have to cast Tim Blake Nelson as a government scientist when he already played Samuel Sterns (aka The Leader) in The Incredible Hulk a little more than half a decade ago? The main character abilities are barely explored or explained, some of their characters names are never referred to at all, and even the phrase ‘Fantastic Four’ is never used, but instead used as a clever ‘We’re not going to say it!’ moment at the very end of the film. I’m sorry, it is an awful and inept film, maybe not as bad as some of the others mentioned in this discussion, but that does not make it any less awful. And no Lee/Kirby credit that I saw, although the Kirby lawsuit settlement should have stipulated that.

  26. So here’s something new: There’s an online petition to get “the one person” who can save the Fantastic Four franchise — and it’s pørņ director Axel Braun. The (NSFW) article is at http://business.avn.com/company-news/Fan-Campaign-Calls-for-Braun-to-Save-the-Fantastic-Four-603908.html and the petition is at https://twitter.com/bigdaddyjulianj/status/631202894444781569 If nothing else, the movie would answer the question in RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER about how the Thing has sex!

  27. Don’t worry, a couple years from now there will be some new superhero movie that is critically panned. At which point I’m sure we can look forward to PAD saying, “You all are crazy. Seriously, you’re certifiable. You think this new movie is bad? How wrong you all are! Now, the 2015 Fantastic Four movie … THAT was a bad superhero movie. But this new one? MAGNIFICENT!”

    🙂

    http://www.peterdavid.net/archives/004057.html

    1. Not when said director’s “apology” came with an “I did a much better cut that’ll never be seen” addendum.

  28. Never ceases to amaze me when someone finds something to like about a work, be it a movie or a book or a recording or whatever, that is otherwise dogpiled, only to be told, “No, it’s bad.” As though there was a universal standard, and one dare not find anything worthwhile in it. Forget, or, more likely, ignore the fact that any art (pop art included) is perceptual.

  29. Peter, you and I normally share a lot of tastes and opinions when it comes to movies & tv shows, but this one…well. While I can’t say whether or not I think it’s bad, because I haven’t seen it, and have no plans to, I can certainly say that it has failed to appeal to me in any way. Trailers and advance information are supposed to entice us into the theater. What the studio has chosen to show us about the tone of the film and alterations to the characters’ personalities has left me cold. Some of those alterations appear to be inspired by Ultimate Fantastic Four…another strike against, with me.

    Like others have said upthread, it looks like it could be a pretty enjoyable science fiction movie, but it doesn’t look to be a Fantastic Four movie. And, professional critics aside, I think that has as much to do with fan dislike as anything else. Likewise, so much about the production seems to scream of Fox making the movie to hold onto the FF rights, for more of their own share of Marvel movie money.

    Glad you enjoyed it. I don’t think I’d be able to.

    –Daryl

  30. I feel the bad rap and ratings are because the film is such a big disappointment and fans had such high hopes. I suppose Fox rushed into production to keep the rights and then signed the cheque. It is pretty horrid in the current golden age of superhero movies and the formula that Marvel has.

    It has one minor event scene to explain powers and one action scene with the fight at the end. Most action movies go for at last 3-4, beginning middle and end…simple and it works.

    The FF should be fun, colourful and have chemistry. This did not. I feel the wholes cast is miscast!, only Teller and Jordan are upto standard. I mean Billy Elliot playing the Thing!?. Even the 2004 version managed to get the rappor between right between Ben and Johnny.

    Dr Doom, the greatest Marvel villain, has been reduced to a gamer, a loser and now he can make people explode (perhaps he should be in Scanners). So he’s not the arrogant, powerful Latveria layered character that we love.

    This movie sucks, it’s a jerk and I hope Fox put this limping franchise out of it’s misery and let the rights revert to Marvel.

  31. I went in with some pretty low expectations after hearing all the whiny fanboy bìŧçhìņg about it but I was still far more interested in seeing it than watching “Ant-Man.” From the very first time I saw the FF trailer, I wanted to go see it; “Ant-Man” looked way too jokey, the CGI looked really, really cheap, and the trailers just left me cold.

    So, I came out of “Fantastic Four” feeling it was an okay movie–nothing really “fantastic” but, by no means, the crapfest that fanboys had been talking about. (As an aside, I saw the trailer for the new “Deadpool” film. I have ZERO interest in Deadpool. I’ve never bought a “Deadpool” comic and the character has just been nothing to me, regardless of who’s written him. But I want to go see this movie!)

  32. I finally got around to seeing it this week. I didn’t love it, but didn’t hate it. If they had to do another origin story, at least they did a completely new version of the story (unlike the unnecessary Spiderman relaunch). It was also refreshing to see a group of characters with a love of science as their core motivation, instead of the usual Hollywood cliches. I actually enjoyed the new version of Doctor Doom, both his look and his personality. If you’re going to bother making a movie of established characters, why not give us a version we haven’t seen before? Even the much-maligned “dark and gritty” approach didn’t seem too out of place; revealing the team’s powers in a horrific manner paid off emotionally and set this film apart from most of the recent comic films. The scene where we saw Reed’s distorted musculature was delightfully hard to watch.

    There were plenty of problems with the movie. It certainly needed more action, a faster paced first act, and more of the fun banter we saw at the end of the movie. Sue Storm needed a better wig, but at least in this one they made her a legitimate scientist, explaining her skill set and what she brought to the project (although after the library scene where she is dressed like Gillian Jacobs in “Community”, I could not stop seeing her as Britta Perry). Sections of the plot made no dámņëd sense. Who reveals their unpatented life’s work at a public school science fair? What exactly was Doom’s plan for the rest of his life in the Negative Zone? What was the point of trying to kill everyone?

    I hope FOX does go through with the originally planned sequel, because there is some potential with this version of FF. I know that there are many people who want to see all the Marvel properties gathered into the Marvel Studios shared universe, but I would rather see different creative teams take risks, present us with new versions and approaches to established characters and occasionally fail. Comic books are at their best when the artists are free to put their own stamp on a character or series, and the same is true for comic book films.

  33. What irks me about this FF movie is that, like the Hulk movie of 12 years ago, they had a perfect chance to use the comic-book origin and they didn’t use it.

    Think about it. Right now, you have independent space travel companies appearing, touting space tourism, etc. It would’ve been the perfect time to have Reed and company launch themselves into space. Perhaps trying some new shielding that didn’t work as they thought it would and altering the cosmic rays in a way that gave the foursome their powers.

    Similarly, back in the early Naughts, George W. Bush was announcing all of our nuclear treaties were null and void. I could easily have seen the government of that time investing in new kinds of bombs, including gamma.

    Yeah, I know, we know more about the effects of radiation now than we did back in the 1960s. Still, a little BS with radiation could go a long way. And the Hulk might’ve finally been able to bring Rick Jones to the screen.

    It could’ve been fun.

  34. It’s a bad movie. Not “worst movie I’ve ever seen bad” but still not at all good.

    However, it may be the single worst adaptation of any source material ever done in Hollywood. What the unfairly lambasted Tim Story FF flicks did to Dr. Doom, this movie did to every aspect of the comic.

    And don’t tell me it was an adaptation of Ultimate Fantastic Four. No one cares about Ultimate Fantastic Four.

    Mike

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