According to the LA Times, there will be a documentary about Sarah Palin hitting the theaters next month.
It’s called “The Undefeated.”
I guess “Clueless” was taken.
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According to the LA Times, there will be a documentary about Sarah Palin hitting the theaters next month.
It’s called “The Undefeated.”
I guess “Clueless” was taken.
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Or Dumb and Dumber. After the recent Paul Revere debacle, I can’t believe that anybody would could possibly believe she has the intelligence to be president. But that being said, I really don’t think she’s going to give up all the perks she’s currently enjoying in order to run for president. Forget about Obama, just think about how she would get hammered by her fellow GOP candidates.
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And by the way Peter, I’m sort of curious how you felt about Palin wearing a Star of David a few days ago. As a semi-lapsed Catholic I found it vaugely disquieting, but I’d be interested to hear the reaction of somebody Jewish.
And by the way Peter, I’m sort of curious how you felt about Palin wearing a Star of David a few days ago. As a semi-lapsed Catholic I found it vaugely disquieting, but I’d be interested to hear the reaction of somebody Jewish.
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I’m not Jewish or even a lapsed Catholic but I know that President Obama, Rudy Guiliani and John McCain have worn a yamaka as a sign of respect when visiting Israel. Wearing the Star of David, I am sure, was intended the same way.
PAD, I wonder if you have any thoughts on Obama’s suggestion that Israel surrender land won in the 1967 war and return to those 1967 borders? A writer named Andrew Klavan, (if you aren’t aware of him, fair warning, he is a conservative), has a very funny video about the suggestion. His satirical idea is a One-State Solution. Make all of the Middle East one big Israel. His rationale is that Muslims are better off and treated more fairly in Israel than in their own Muslim countries.
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I think you might appreciate the humor. This is the link:
http://www.andrewklavan.com/2011/06/02/koc-the-one-state-solution/
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And if you like that, he visits similar themes in this video, Fun with Anti-Semetism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCtjjNFokTw
Actually that wasn’t exactly what Obama said. It’s a return to 1967 borders PLUS land swaps to compensate for disputed territory
“President Obama, Rudy Guiliani and John McCain have worn a yamaka as a sign of respect when visiting Israel. Wearing the Star of David, I am sure, was intended the same way.”
Let’s try this again –
“President Obama, Rudy Guiliani and John McCain have worn a yamaka as a sign of respect when visiting Israel. Wearing the Star of David, I am sure, was intended the same way.”
But Israel defines itself as a Jewish state, New York City, where she was wearing the Star of David, does not. There’s no way around it but to say that was a bit of racist pandering.
PAD, I wonder if you have any thoughts on Obama’s suggestion that Israel surrender land won in the 1967 war and return to those 1967 borders?
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You mean what do I think of Obama putting forward the exact same position that was held by most of his predecessors? I’m shocked–shocked–that anyone would take a position held by this president that was previously held by GOP presidents and try to make it sound as if he’s doing something abominable.
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Well okay then, I wonder if you have any thoughts on numerous president’s suggestions that Israel surrender land won in the 1967 war and return to those 1967 borders?
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I ask because about this time last year a supply ship attempted to run Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip which resulted in a crewman’s death and bad publicity for Israel. Your position was that this situation was not Israel’s fault, which put you in agreement with quite a few rightwing pundits, Charles Krauthammer specifically. When I asked you about this, you said: As for Krauthammer, I prefer to think of it from Rorschach’s point of view: I’m not on the same page as them. They’re on the same page with me. which I thought was a perfect response.
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Benjamin Netanyahu says the 1967 borders are indefensible. Also Bush’s, Clinton’s et al position was before the West Bank/Gaza split, and the Hamas takeover of the leadership of Gaza.
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“Well okay then, I wonder if you have any thoughts on numerous president’s suggestions that Israel surrender land won in the 1967 war and return to those 1967 borders?”
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Except, again, that’s not actually what Obama said.
My understanding (although I’ve read comments that claim otherwise) is that that was more or less the premise Clinton started with that came close to establishing a peace accord that was fine with Israel. Any concept that leads to a final peace accord is fine with me. Of course, Clinton’s attempts got shot down by the Palestinians who decided that they’d rather try and kill Israelis than live with them.
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Ultimately I think none of it matters. Until such time as there’s a Palestinian government that acknowledges Israel’s right to exist and stops trying to kill Israelis, the opinion of any president as to where negotiations should start is irrelevant.
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I can picture a reporter saying “Hey, it’s a slow news day, let’s paint Obama’s business-as-usual statement in the most controversial colors possible so we’ll have some headlines.”
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Outside the US, where people are more pro-Palestine, Obama was at first praised for finally breaking up with Israel, until people read what he ACTUALLY said.
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He qualified his statements by mentioning land swaps to accomodate the Israeli settlements. So it’s a return to 1967 borders that actually is NOT a return to 1967 borders.
Oh and Peter, I’m not sure how many people would really be interested in seeing a documentary about Sarah Palin going to a theater. I know, ha ha, smart ášš, but I just couldn’t resist pointing that out.
“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.” -Inigo Montoya
Wonder how long before someone in the media, lamestream or not, starts calling it The Uncompleted.
But… she WAS defeated…
Well, now, isn’t it a standard heroic moment of bravado?
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Villain: Admit it! You’re beaten!
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Hero: But not defeated!
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After which, Trelane really should have snapped his fingers, set Kirk on fire, and said, “No, you’re defeated.”
It’s merely a flesh wound!
How about… “How to succeed in politics with out really gosh darn trying…”
Yesterday I read that AMC Theaters would be screening this movie in select cities. St. Louis was not among the fairly extensive list so I attempted to write to AMC corporate office to request that it be screened in St. Louis. Instead of finding an email address I found an online forum called “Get Satisfaction” so I posted my request there. This is it:
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Please bring the Palin documentary, “The Undefeated” to the St. Louis area. News reports do not list St. Louis as one of the selected cities.
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Within 3 hours people were posting that they were never going to an AMC theater again. Palin was called uneducated, reprehensible, ignorant and a dolt. Here is the link: http://getsatisfaction.com/amc_theatres/topics/the_undefeated
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This thread has since been consolidated with other similar threads into a single thread: http://getsatisfaction.com/amc_theatres/topics/sarah_palin_documentary_at_amc_theatres
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In the thread I started, I was the only Pro-Palin poster and maintained a civil exchange even though that was not reciprocated. When the threads were merged, some other Pro-Palin posters appeared and things kinds of devolved into a name-calling mess. Most online bulletin boards are not as even-handed as this one, but I suspect everyone here knows that.
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However, it is disturbing that the Anti-Palin contingent, normally considered liberal, were all for censoring this movie. One thread was called, ”Do not distribute Sarah Palin’s propaganda film. you will regret it…eventually.” That almost sounds like a threat. It wasn’t that these people didn’t want to see this movie, they didn’t want anyone else to see it either, going so far as to suggest a boycott of AMC Theaters.
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Palin is consistently ridiculed, criticized and written off as inconsequential, yet the idea of a Pro-Palin movie sends throngs of liberal thinkers into fits of apoplexy. Either she is meaningless or a force to be reckoned with. The left says one thing but their actions reveal the other.
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“Palin is consistently ridiculed, criticized and written off as inconsequential, yet the idea of a Pro-Palin movie sends throngs of liberal thinkers into fits of apoplexy. Either she is meaningless or a force to be reckoned with. The left says one thing but their actions reveal the other.”
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It might “reveal the other” if the Left was a giant, lockstep machine, but it’s not so it really doesn’t reveal anything. Most of the Left thinks the film is a joke, but if fools want to be parted with their money to watch the propaganda… Well, that’s fine with them.
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It’s also not exactly limited to the Left. The comments of the some of the Right whenever a Moore film comes out run about the same. I’ve seen boards and conservative blogs that have declared that theater chains and film companies should be boycotted for daring to distribute or show his films. And it certainly wasn’t the Left or companies owned by people who lean to the Left who did everything they could to blacklist the Dixie Chicks from radio because they “attacked America” (i.e. they said something bad about Bush that the Right didn’t like.)
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All this shows is that there are idiots on the Left that mirror the idiots on the Right. Big deal. We all knew that long ago.
They’re not mutually exclusive. People may think she has very little chance of suceeding, but still be very afraid of a Palin presidency. Hey, it’s extremely rare for people to be infected with leprosy these days, but it doesn’t mean it isn’t a scary prospect.
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Myself, I never said Palin is inconsequential. They say she is stupid and unprepared, but so was Bush, IMO. I think she has a chance. And it scares me shitless. It would be at least 4 for more years of a female Bush. And that man already caused enough damage to the whole dámņëd planet.
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I don’t believe in censorship myself. It would only give Palin supporters more ammunition and cause people to become more curious about the movie. Smart liberals should let the movie be screened, watch it, and then be prepared to mock the hëll out of the silly thing.
The simple fact that Peter and others go out of their way to even bring her up says everything we need to know.
However, it is disturbing that the Anti-Palin contingent, normally considered liberal, were all for censoring this movie.
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It may be disturbing, but it’s also typical. I have said any number of times that liberals are just as big on censorship, if not moreso, then conservatives. They will be very loud and very quick to call for boycotts and censorship. At least conservatives have an excuse: it’s part of their nature to talk a good game about freedoms but drop the hammer on beliefs that vary from theirs. But liberals you’d think would be into freedom of expression. Quite the contrary, and I certainly know that from personal experience: I’ve had liberals howl that they’re boycotting me because of perceived slights to whatever their pet interests happen to be, and I’ve had conservatives shouting boycott because, well, for obvious reasons.
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Palin is consistently ridiculed, criticized and written off as inconsequential, yet the idea of a Pro-Palin movie sends throngs of liberal thinkers into fits of apoplexy.
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Yeah, like THAT’S hard to do.
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Either she is meaningless or a force to be reckoned with. The left says one thing but their actions reveal the other.
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I’ve used many words to describe her, but “meaningless” has never been one of them.
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Peter, I know you meant to say “than conservatives.”
Sorry, pet peeve.
Peter, I know you meant to say ‘than conservatives’, right? (sorry, pet peeve) 🙂
My favourite comment on this matter so far was the guy at The Daily Beast who said
Except that he used proper grammar and said “comes”, unlike the fool who typoed this post here.
As displayed on the the web site for Undefeated: PALIN “rose from NOWHERE to become the nation’s MOST POPULAR governor.” – Paul Bond, The Hollywood Reported
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As actually printed in the Hollywood Reporter: “The stars appear in the feature-length biography of Palin from documentary filmmaker Stephen Bannon that is designed to reintroduce Palin as a woman who rose from nowhere to become the nation’s most popular governor.”
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Typical.
As presented on the web site for Undefeated: PALIN “rose from NOWHERE to become the nation’s MOST POPULAR governor.” – Paul Bond, The Hollywood Reported
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As actually printed in the Hollywood Reporter: “The stars appear in the feature-length biography of Palin from documentary filmmaker Stephen Bannon that is designed to reintroduce Palin as a woman who rose from nowhere to become the nation’s most popular governor.”
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Typical.
That kind of comment certainly play’s well to Palin’s ever-increasing ego.
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She may in fact be the nation’s most WELL KNOWN governor… because she a quitter.
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Now, now, Graig…
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Palin is no quitter. She’s simply a maverick who doesn’t go with the flow because all Alaskans will tell you that the only thing that goes with the flow are dead fish and finishing the job you were elected by the people to do is just being a lame duck. Tough, independent minded mavericks know that the only way to really succeed and be a winner in life is to walk away halfway through the job and
cash in… er… go serve your country (for a substantial salary.)Really interesting that the same woman who so many can’t get enough of bashing and maligning also wrote this:
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/a-downs-syndrome-baby-will-expand-your-world-sarah-palin-poignant-moving-email-about-her-unborn-son-revealed-in-email-investigation/
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She seems to be a pretty decent person to me. It’s a-ok not to agree with her politics or to not want to see her as president. The hate is way out of line, though.
Wow Tim,
Truly touching, powerful stuff. sad part is, if the e-mails had shown for even a brief moment she resented the child and/or even thought of it as a burden and/or had thought about aborting it, this would be major, major news. CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, The New York Times would be beating us over the head with it. However,it shows her as a thoughtful, compassionate individual and a truly caring mom. Can’t have that – especially since half those who bash her feel she should have aborted the child anyway – it’s much more fun to characterize her as dumb for daring not to specify which newspapers she read or mean because she dared say Obama was palling around with terrorists. Which had the benefit of being true.
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Fir those who blow that off, consider what would happen if it were discovered that Palin’s political career got started with the help of someone who firebombed an abortion clinic 30 years ago. I don’t think the MSM would ignore that and dismiss it as no big deal.
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She’d be toast.
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So I’m waiting for the stories on this and how it when informed about how other women in similar situations now feel they can identify with her and how it makes them feel better to know that someone else handled such an emotional decision with such wisdom and humor and strength.
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It’s a perfect story not only for the “Oprah” crowd but for anyone who considers themselves a human being with a pulse.
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But fairness is not an issue here. They didn’t spend three years tearing her down and making her a caricature to all of a sudden allow her to appear human, appealing or admirable.
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So this will go ignored.
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The next time she says something they consider mean or that makes her look stupid, on the other hand…
I am sure Palin is a wonderful mother.
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And that should have zero impact in how good a President she would make. She has shown herself to be terribly unprepared again and again, even if one agrees with her politics.
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It’s a sign of an immature society that we look to a policitian’s family life. As if we still lived in a tribe, and wanted a Big Mom or a Dad to take care of us. It’s infantile.
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It shouldn’t matter if Palin is Mom of the Year of if the Weiner dude is a terrible husband. If you were choosing the manager of your business, would you pick a great mom who is a semi-illiterate bumbler or a cheating husband that has been a top notch administrator in every job he held?
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And by all accounts, Obama is a wonderful and loving father. So, I guess you’ll stop criticizing him now and start complaining about Fox News and conservative talk radio not focusing on that positive aspect of his life rather than pointing out when he says or does something stupid in the political arena now?
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I don’t care if she’s a good mother or a good wife and most of her serious critics don’t care either. And pointing out the she’s a caring mother really doesn’t change the fact that she frequently makes statement about policy, world events and history that are dead wrong; even when they’ve been directly related to that job she abandoned in Alaska.
I don’t care if she’s a good mother or a good wife and most of her serious critics don’t care either.
That’s fine but I think Jerome’s point was that if these emails, (and hasn’t that worked out well for her critics?), had revealed anything other than a good mother it would be further proof of her being unfit for politics because of her hypocrisy. Anything that reflects poorly on her, whether it is pertinent or not, is used against her professional career and anything that reflects positively is not pertinent to her professional career.
That’s fine but I think Jerome’s point was that if these emails, (and hasn’t that worked out well for her critics?), had revealed anything other than a good mother it would be further proof of her being unfit for politics because of her hypocrisy. Anything that reflects poorly on her, whether it is pertinent or not, is used against her professional career and anything that reflects positively is not pertinent to her professional career.
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Oh. Well, if that was his point, then it was an inane one. Will news outlets ignore anything portraying Palin as a good and caring mother? Of course they will, as they should. Why? Because being a good mother isn’t news. Being a loving individual to one’s children is what a mother is supposed to do. News programs say, “Mother goes berserk, tries to poison children and herself, film at eleven.” They don’t say, “Mother drives kids to band and soccer practice and then cooks three course meal, helps with homework and puts kids to bed.”
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I don’t see any unfair treatment here. Palin touts herself as Mrs. Family Values, and gains political capital out of it, then the least she can do is live up to it.
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George and Tim, do you think a Liberal politician should be particularly praised if he is shown to be tolerant of minorities? I don’t. Because that is a liberal’s stock in trade. It’s expected.
George and Tim, do you think a Liberal politician should be particularly praised if he is shown to be tolerant of minorities? I don’t. Because that is a liberal’s stock in trade. It’s expected.
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Hmmm. Depends. Has this liberal the target of numerous ethics complaints that were dismissed as baseless? Has this liberal been the subject of widespread lies about their children? Has this liberal had their email hacked by a conservative? Has this liberal’s email been subpoenaed and then scrutinized by thongs of the public that were recruited by influential newspapers? And when all this happened to this liberal and nothing was revealed except what he appeared to have been all along… Yes.
And by the way, i don’t expect liberals to be “tolerant of minorities.” I expect them to have a the same expectations of minorities that they do of everyone else. They do minorities no favors treating them differently.
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I’m pretty ambivalent on the subject. It’s no difference to me if a liberal politician is lauded for being tolerant towards minorities. (I will, however, point out that I find your statement that it’s a “liberal’s stock in trade” to be tolerant of minorities to be grossly prejudicial against conservatives.) It’s ok with me if a liberal or a conservative who’s tolerant of minorities is singled out for praise. However, someone who loves (as opposed to merely tolerates) others (including minorities, majorities, and any other way you want to divide up the people) is someone who truly is worthy of notice. Love is the standard that I strive for. Tolerance is so….. weak.
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On the other hand, do you believe that a liberal politician who is tolerant or even loving towards minorities should be denounced as a hate-filled, racist pig? Or more to the point of this discussion, should the governor of a state who is shown through 10’s of thousands of e-mails to be a decent, caring mother, wife, and concerned citizen who apparently took her job seriously endure countless and baseless personal attack after personal attack targeted at herself, her husband, and even her children from her political opponents who apparently have no ability to respond to her positions in a thoughtful manner free of insults and hate?
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Given that we all seem to be agreeing that the e-mail that I pointed to earlier seems to confirm that Sarah Palin is a loving, sensitive mother, can anyone explain to me how calling Sarah Palin a “clueless” “whørë” is appropriate and justified?
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I’m not suggesting Palin get a pass on the issues or her previous job performance. Go after her. But after reading a multitude of posts that have nothing to do with her political positions and have everything to do with what an ugly, moronic, thoughtless, incompetent bìŧçh you all think she is, just thought I’d point out what the e-mails say about her. Apparently, that’s not who she is. In fact, these e-mails, that were never intended to be distributed in a searchable database to readers of the New York Times, seem to present her in a pretty positive light. Based on that, I just thought you might want to cut it out.
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Or don’t. According to some at my political end of the spectrum, this kind of behavior is all you can expect from liberals.
Perhaps I’ve expressed myself poorly. What I said was simply that politicians should live up to their ideals, and it isn’t particularly praiseworthy when they do it. Like, you don’t expect a newspaper headline saying “The governor is honest.” We expect him to be.
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Conservatives and liberals also have different ideals of what society should be like. American Conservatives usually emphasize traditional values, individualism, capitalism, etc. I don’t think it’s a headline if a Conservative politician is a good family man. I DO think it’s a headline if this individualistic paragon travels to Canada to get socialized medicine, though.
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I don’t like hypocrites.
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And yes, Liberals have tolerance for minorities as one of their most cherised ideals. The word “tolerance” wasn’t well-chosen? Maybe. I simply meant that, a Conservative politician making a statement against the minority-target-of-the-hour is expected. I’ve read lots of GOP politicians critizing that NY mosque. But if a Dem does the same, it’s somehow more disappointing.
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I think Palin is incompetent, uneducated, and unprepared. As for her personal life? I am conflicted. On one side, I’d like families and love lives to be out-of-limits in public discourse. On the other side, Palin is a member of the party that thinks two gays rising a child is outrageous. What right do they have to an out-of-limits family life when they like to meddle into other people’s family lives in the worst possible way?
Given that we all seem to be agreeing that the e-mail that I pointed to earlier seems to confirm that Sarah Palin is a loving, sensitive mother, can anyone explain to me how calling Sarah Palin a “clueless” “whørë” is appropriate and justified?
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Oh, Christ on a crutch. What IS it with this woman that people have such a blind spot for her that they are willing to completely distort the comments of others in order to try and “prove” that she is being unfairly maligned?
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I called her clueless. That’s because she is not only tone deaf to her own words, but she refuses to accept responsibility and accountability for her actions, doubles down when she’s wrong, produces answers that are little more than word salad, and always blames others for tricking her into, y’know, speaking. Furthermore there is a WORLD of difference between simply calling someone a whørë, which I never did, and calling someone a media whørë, which has no sexual or gender connotation.
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But she writes some sort of tribute to motherhood and suddenly her supporters are busy dabbing tears from their eyes while wondering why everyone is being so meeeeeeeeaan to this clearly exemplary mother. Here’s a thought: Her daughter got pregnant out of wedlock. There’s mother of the year material. If it had been suddenly learned during the campaign that Obama had a teen daughter who got pregnant out of wedlock, it would have been game over. There’s your double standard.
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Here’s a thought: If, as a result of her conduct, one of the major lessons she’s teaching her children is “Always blame someone else for your mistakes and never admit you were wrong,” she is doing them NO favors as a mother.
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“I think Palin is incompetent, uneducated, and unprepared.”
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Throw in “hateful” and you’ve got the Left Wing response to almost every conservative candidate (and EVERY Republican candidate for president) who has run for the past 30 years. I’m beginning to think that name calling is all the Left can do these days. Yawn.
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“What right do they have to an out-of-limits family life when they like to meddle into other people’s family lives in the worst possible way?”
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Seriously? You don’t think that liberal politicians want to meddle in our family lives? Uh, yeah they do. I’m part of a group that they want to meddle with. (My wife and I homeschool our children.) We and others like us are constantly fighting to beat back intrusions into our personal lives by well-meaning but misguided liberal politicians who think they know what’s better for my kids than I do. Yet somehow, I find the self-control to not refer to them as “clueless” “whørëš”. I pray for them. I disagree with them. I try to teach my kids to respect them. And I do everything within my power to see that they are voted out of office at election time. But I try to avoid personal attacks and insults.
“Furthermore there is a WORLD of difference between simply calling someone a whørë, which I never did, and calling someone a media whørë, which has no sexual or gender connotation.”
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Correction noted. In the future, when I ask for someone to justify their intense hatred and insults directed at Sarah Palin, I will ask about justifying “clueless” “media whørë”. Sorry for my error. Not that it matters to my original point.
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“But she writes some sort of tribute to motherhood and suddenly her supporters are busy dabbing tears from their eyes while wondering why everyone is being so meeeeeeeeaan to this clearly exemplary mother.”
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OH OH Here’s an idea. Why don’t you go read what Palin wrote and then you can comment on it with some degree of understanding. It wasn’t a “tribute to motherhood.” It was an e-mail to loved ones regarding the approaching birth of her special needs son. And it was beautiful and very heartfelt.
and EVERY Republican candidate for president
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That was not said of John McCain… well, not until he went and ‘vetted’ Palin (and claimed our economy was sound as it was falling apart).
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But then, what did we expect from the side that makes helping your community by working in it at the ground level into a bad thing?
McCain was proof positive that no Republican candidate will be treated with an ounce of respect by liberals or the mainstream media. Before he became a candidate, he was the darling of the media and the Left. A Republican who could be respected and who had his head on straight. A man who fought for his country both on the battlefield and in Congress. After he became the Republican candidate, he was just another inexperienced, unprepared, stupid, hateful, old fool. And that didn’t just happen when he selected Sarah Palin. It happened the minute he stood in opposition to Obama for the presidency.
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McCain proves my point. If one man should have been opposed with respect by the Left, it should have been McCain. He wasn’t.
I’ll never forget the article that finally led me to cancel my subscription to my local paper. (We have two papers in town. One editorially leans left. The other leans right. I’ve always subscribed to the left leaning one because, frankly, it’s a better paper.) They ran a front page – FRONT PAGE – article on the connection that a local woman had to John McCain. What was the connection? Reportedly, one of McCain’s ancestor’s had held one of the woman’s ancestor’s in slavery.
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Yup. Real classy. And real germaine to the issues in the election. I so enjoyed telling the woman on the phone exactly why I was dropping the paper after decades of being subscribed.
No, I really don’t think you can say the same of every GOP politician. Bush father was not uneducated. Even Nixon was a pretty intelligent man. I am not a fan of Reagan, but he wasn’t exactly unprepared. Santorum, I hate every oppinion Santorum ever had, it’s like he is Bizarro Me, but I wouldn’t call Santorum a dummy.
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It’s just Dubya and Sarah “Bush-in-a-skirt” Palin that I’d call uneducate and unprepared. Her fans make a fuss because she is unlike other politicians, she is a “real person”, they say. I have an old aunt that I love very much, she is a “real”, “plain folks” person, but what my old Aunt knows of world history would not fill the length of this post.
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I don’t want my aunt as the president of the world’s greatest nation, despite her being very good to her family. And Sarah Palin strikes me as not much more educated than my Aunt.
OH OH Here’s an idea. Why don’t you go read what Palin wrote and then you can comment on it with some degree of understanding.
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Very well; I’ve read it.
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If Obama had written this, the right wing would go to town on him. Seriously. They’d feast on his heart. A letter that purports to be written by God, explaining why he decided to give a family a special needs kid instead of one who was, y’know, not. O’Reilly would be all over this. Rush would tear it to pieces. And all the Fox pundits who tell the right wingers what to say would be saying the exact same thing: “Barack Obama obviously thinks he’s God, and this letter proves it.”
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THIS is what you guys are going on about? THIS is what moves you to metaphorical tears? Has she lowered the bar for expectations that much that this is what causes you to give it up for her? Really?
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McCain was proof positive that no Republican candidate will be treated with an ounce of respect by liberals or the mainstream media.
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Oh, bûllšhìŧ. Bull freaking šhìŧ. The typical wheeze that the right never, ever gets tired of: the candidates are being ill-treated by the media. It’s all the media’s fault, it’s all the liberal’s fault, and the candidates never, ever do it to themselves.
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There were plenty of liberals, including myself, who saw McCain as a war hero moderate who was worth a serious look. If it had come down to McCain and Hillary, I might well have pulled the GOP lever for the first time in my adult life, particularly if he’d stayed as the McCain that he was. And then McCain started running like a madman to the right, playing to the base, playing to the extremes. His selection of the inexperienced Palin as his running mate, after he kept hitting Obama on his lack of foreign policy experience, was shocking. And his performances on the debate were just bad. The election was McCain’s to lose, and he lost it.
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You can’t figure out why “clueless” is an apt description of her, Tim? Hëll, it may have something to do with the fact that she is. I’ll just start with five examples for now. I could go on for about 100, but we’ve covered this ground before.
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(1) She seems to think an acceptable answer to questions about her foreign policy experience is to point out that you can actually see parts of Russia from some parts of Alaska. Wow. That was a great answer, huh? Hey, I can see the major Du Pont plant in this area on my drive to work. Must make me an expert in chemicals manufacturing, huh? Oh, and I can see a gas station and vet’s office from my front yard. Must make me an expert on the fuel oil industry and the care and treatment of sick animals, huh?
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Hey, there are kids in the US who live along the borders that separate the U.S. from two other countries. Not only can they, to paraphrase the joke, see Canada and South America from their houses, but they occasionally cross the borders (well, at least into Canada) by accident while playing with their friends. Wow! They must be even bigger foreign policy experts than Palin!
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(2) She gave an interview where she discussed her ability to handle an international incident. She talked to the interviewer about just who she thought had to handle it when “Putin would stick his little head up” and invade US airspace over Alaska.
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Palin: “It’s very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there, they are right next to our state.”
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Well, beyond the fact that this didn’t happen while she was Governor of Alaska, even if it did she would have been one of the last people notified about it and she would have had exactly squat all to do with dealing with it.
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(3) How about that Sarah playing her energy credentials up on the campaign trail and even up to last year? Hey, she’ll happily tell you that she managed that in her (short) time in Alaskan politics so she must be an expert, right? Of course, when she opened her mouth on the subject that she claimed to have expertise on, she got her numbers and facts completely wrong and it turned out that the figures she was throwing around were sourced back to a junk website that didn’t actually source any of its figures. She actually stopped using the figures during the campaign after getting spanked over them multiple times, but she’s gone back to repeating the false figures since then. So, clueless and a liar then or just so staggeringly clueless that she can’t even remember not make herself look stupid by citing false facts for longer than a year before slipping back into the same citations again?
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(4) She can’t even handle a softball interview with the likes of Katie Couric. Seriously, she gets asked easy questions and blows them. Then she runs to the cameras of Fox News and complains about those “gotcha” media questions. Of course, any question put to her that’s not asking her why she’s so great or why Democrats are bad is defined in her playbook as a “gotcha” question. Hëll, her latest flub with the Paul Revere ride was a beauty of an example with this. She was asked about her visit and what she saw and she rambled on with, as Peter put it above, a word salad response that made her look stupid. It was an easy question, but she couldn’t just give a simple answer. Nooooooo, she had to give an answer that she thought would play well to the base got lost after about three words. The results? A few days later she referred to it as another one of those “gotcha” questions.
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It was the type of question that you or I might be asked by friends and not screw up, but for her it was an evil “gotcha” question and it was the fault of the questioner that she looked and sounded clueless and lost responding to it.
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(5) Gabrielle Giffords is shot. Other people were killed that day. A memorial service was scheduled to honor and remember the dead. So, of course, Palin chooses that morning to release her video where she prominently displays her flag pin, makes sure he r prop flag in the back is visible, holds back sobs when and where the script told her to and declares that she’s the victim (and the victim of a blood libel no less) on the day of the memorial service for those who were actually murdered. I’d say that easily earned her the trifecta win for being clueless, classless and ignorant as hëll.
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Seriously, can you imagine the howling that the “Poor little. picked on Sarah” brigades would have been making if Obama had done something that classless? People are injured and murdered and on the day of the memorial service you see Obama send out a video release declaring that he’s the real victim? He’s toast. Conservatives would flat out crucify the man and the Left would be appalled. But since it’s Sarah, the Right couldn’t stop itself from fumbling over itself to give her a shoulder to cry on and tell her what a poor little dear she was.
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She’s clueless. They had to hide her for a good chunk of the 2008 election cycle because she couldn’t open her mouth without sticking both feet into it. She can’t handle an interview that’s not a softball with the extra support of someone like Hannity holding her hand a guiding her through it. She’s shown that she can’t handle pressure without falling apart.
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She
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The Republicans should count their lucky stars that she likely sees running for POTUS as too much work compared to just cashing in and that, even if she was dim enough to run in 2008, she’d have even less chance of winning the office than she would winning the nod.
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“A letter that purports to be written by God, explaining why he decided to give a family a special needs kid instead of one who was, y’know, not. O’Reilly would be all over this. Rush would tear it to pieces. And all the Fox pundits who tell the right wingers what to say would be saying the exact same thing: “Barack Obama obviously thinks he’s God, and this letter proves it.””
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It gets better. Palin did several interviews with the Christian media during the 2008 campaign and later where she basically described her special needs baby as God’s way of making her a better representative of the anti-abortion cause.
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God gave her a special needs baby so that she could better crusade against abortions in this country. Yeah…
So, Palin used her own kid as anti-abortion propaganda? Lovely. I may have to revise my estimation that she is a wonderful mother.
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I just imagine what the right wing would have to say if Obama had a special needs kid and used the kid to make some cheap political ploy, like “God gave me this kid to teach people to respect those who are different.”
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The right would eat him alive.
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Yup
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She had this to say about her son’s birth when talking to James Dobson of Focus on the Family.
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“I’ve always had near and dear to my heart the mission of protecting the sanctity of life and being pro-life, a hardcore pro-lifer, but I think this opportunity for me to really be walking the walk and not just talking the talk. There’s purpose in this also for a greater good to be met. I feel so privileged and blessed to have been, I guess, chosen to have Trig enter our lives because I do want it to help us in our cause here in allowing America to be a more welcoming nation for all of our children.”
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So, God gave her a downs syndrome child to help make her a better anti-abortion crusader? Yeah….
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There’s also this tidbit that’s funny. Sarah talking about God’s will and the 2008 election.
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“To me, it motivates us, makes us work that much harder and it also strengthens my faith because I’m going to know at the end of the day, putting this in God’s hands, that the right thing for America will be done, the end of the day on November 4th.”
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So, Sarah, if you had faith in God to get elected the right people that day, why are you trying to undermine God’s will now and why have you been telling so many lies about the man that God chose over your ticket to win?
Here’s the really sick thing: It’s like when she’s questioned about any topic, she tries to craft an answer not based on either fact or even emotion, but instead on how it will appeal to right wing interests. She had a special needs child because, hey, it proves that she’s anti-abortion (without realizing that all she’s doing is reinforcing the notion that that’s a decision a woman should be free to make). Hey, Sarah, what do you think of Paul Revere? She has to come up with an answer designed to appeal to gun nuts, confident that–even though it makes no sense at all–the base will embrace her for it.
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It’s unbelievably manipulative and yet the media and her followers keep falling for it.
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It’s unbelievably manipulative and yet the media and her followers keep falling for it.
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I don’t think the media really cares, nor have they for awhile. Faux News certainly embraces it, while the rest will just shrug as long as the bills get paid.
There is a difference between boycotting and censorship.
One is done by individuals or groups to bring pressure on something they find wrong. the other is a governing body imposing it’s will on others.
I would encourage people to boycott Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh and their advertisers. I would vehemently oppose the Government taking them off the air.
Of course you’re right about the difference between censorship and boycotting. A few of the people objecting to AMC screening the movie seem content to voice their displeasure by boycotting but quite a few more want AMC to not show it at all and don’t seem to care how that might be accomplished.
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And even more of them are likely the typical internet screamers. They’ll talk (or type) all the talk in the world, but when it comes to walking the walk they’ll suddenly forget where they put their walking shoes.
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Full of sound and whiney, signifying nothing.
What the heck?
She’s making a remake of an old John Wayne film?
Wow! I never knew she could act, too.
Amazing!
Personally, I’d love to see the film play in my corner of PA (Wilkes-Barre/Scranton). It’s been a while since I’ve seen a good comedy.
Sadly, I fear that “Clueless” is better suited to the media than to Palin at this point. As noted above, PALIN IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. She hasn’t left her job at Fox, which Roger Ailes said any presidential candidate must do. She hasn’t hired the staff to plan on campaigning (and look at how hard people came down on Gingrich when his staff quit). She hasn’t participated in any of the presidential debates. And yet the media ignored it when Romney — a serious presidential candidate, one with a decent chance of beating Obama — announced his candidacy, becuase Palin’s “Constitution Family Bus Vacation History Tour Thing” was nearby.
Palin may be ignorant of history — and rewrite it to suit her — but she knows how to whip the media into a frenzy. And right now she has them eating out of her hand, with every comment that offers an iota of an atom of a hint that she might run (despite the evidence mentioned above that SHE WON’T RUN!!!).
James,
I think that Palin is going around trying d to drum up supporters so that when she leaves Fox News it’ll be because they’ll make a decision, doesn’t have to be big, that she disagrees with and that will be the excuse where she leaves and then say they weren’t conservative enough/too conservative for her. Once that happens, she’ll have a base built in so it won’t matter if she declares late, she’ll already have momentum… Wait, Did I just hear Peter pass out because I’m accusing Palin of being a genius?
Oh, she’s a genius at manipulating the media, that’s for sure. It’s almost like watching an abusive marriage. She badmouths and trashes the media and they keep coming right back and say, “Hurt us some more, Sarah.” Palin’s involvement with the media is so twisted it should come with a safety word.
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Reminds me of a “Family Guy” Lois says, “Now Petah, the safety word is ‘banana.’
Respectfully, while your scenario is plausible I still maintain that she won’t run. Apart from all the money she’d lose, I doubt she’s so isolated that she thinks moderates and even liberals would come flocking to her — and you don’t win an election by just preaching to your choir. (Personally, I’d love to see her run, just to see her flounder in a world where facts are checked, statements are remembered, and every tough question isn’t a “gotcha” question.) My money says that she’ll try to be a kingmaker among the Republicans — and she’ll keep her Fox job and keep trashing the “lamestream media.”
Now if the news media would just realize the truth of that last sentence, they’d stop feeding her need for attention and focus on the actual candidates (and issues). Based on how they followed Trump, though, I doubt it…
Since she has bought a house in Arizona would it not seem logical to assume that she is planning on running for Senator of that State?
She stands a snowball chance in hëll of ever getting the Alaska seat, but Arizona is a prime area for her, just loaded with conservatives for her healthy diet.
I do not think she will declare for the 2012 Presidential race.
Peter,
Your statement is so brilliant I might have to use it as my FB status (giving you full credit of course!)
“Balloon Juice”, a blog a like to read, ended up having two separate thread discussions of alternate titles for Palin’s movie. Some favorites:
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From Here to Inanity
Citizen Vain
Red Yawn
The Aleutianist
The Scum Also Rises
Lost in Translation II
We’re Just Not That Into You
Chariots of Liar
Also Too: Electric Boogaloo
Brainspotting
Mentl
From Within Sight of Russia With Love
Not-Hur
The Devil Wears Mukluks
Swindler’s List
Juneau II: Post Partum
Mooseferatu
Dopey’s Choice
John McCain’s a Series of Unfortunate Events
The Lyin’, the Witch, and the Wardrobe
Driving Miss Crazy
Grizzly Madams
Inarticulate Proposal
Mother, Uggs and Greed
Despicable Her
Chariots of Bile
Jáçkášš 4
Brain Simple
The Lying Game
The Woman Who Knew Too Little
True Grift
Clueless
Fahrenheit All of Them
They Call Me Sister Fibs
The Incredible Sulk
The Iquitarod
The Big Shill
12 Million Angry White Men
Legends of the Fail
Something Wicked This Way Comes
Sleazy Rider
101 Defamations
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Also, #palinfilmnames is something you can do on Twitter.
Scum, Devil, Swindler, Witch, Jáçkášš, Wicked and Sleazy.
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Lovely.
101 Defamations sounds like it should be a movie about her critics.
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Although I must admit, “We’re Just Not That Into You” is very clever and at least it’s honest.
George, are you going to go see the movie?
I certainly want to see it if it comes to St, Louis. If not, I’ll have to wait for the DVD. Either way, I’ll see it eventually.
Yeah. It’ll be interesting to see if it comes to my area. If it does, I may make it out to see it. If not, DVD or Netflix for me.
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Wink
Catch Her in the Lie
You Fools for Sister Sarah
True Twit
Fits of Legend
American Lie
New Blunder
Shrill Shill
C*A*S*H (Creating Another Sarah Headline)
Rene,
“It’s a sign of an immature society that we look to a policitian’s family life. As if we still lived in a tribe, and wanted a Big Mom or a Dad to take care of us. It’s infantile.”
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No, it’s not. there’s an old saying that’s pretty common sense to me “Show me how a man treats his mother and I’ll show you how he treats his wife.”
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From my experience, people who don’t prioritize their family, who would rather go to the bar than tuck them in, tend to have problems with other responsibilities as well, be it keeping a job, doing the work involved for a marriage, etc.
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If you can’t put your children first above yourself than you are pretty narcissistic and likely engage in self-destructive behavior. If you can’t put your children first, then what chance do mates or friends have?
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Or constituents.
It shouldn’t matter if Palin is Mom of the Year of if the Weiner dude is a terrible husband. If you were choosing the manager of your business, would you pick a great mom who is a semi-illiterate bumbler or a cheating husband that has been a top notch administrator in every job he held?
People have trouble with their families for all kinds of reasons. I know it’s conservative dogma that if you have an unhappy home, then something is hideously wrong with you in all aspects of your life, but reality is simply more complex than that.
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Professionals who are highly competent but have a crappy family life aren’t really that uncommon. Many times they just marry the wrong person, or they shouldn’t have married anyone at all (and yes, I know it’s another conservative dogma that marriage is holy, and if it isn’t working it’s because you didn’t believe in God enough or something…)
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And hey, I live in Brazil. I could show you about a million guys that are loving family men that would do anything for their families, and they’re corrupt and incompetent at work, mostly because they just want to line their pockets to help their families. Ever heard of nepotism in Third World countries?
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I reject your dogmas. They just don’t apply to reality. The conservative conception of family is a storybook ideal. Reality isn’t that neat.
Jerry,
“And by all accounts, Obama is a wonderful and loving father. So, I guess you’ll stop criticizing him now and start complaining about Fox News and conservative talk radio not focusing on that positive aspect of his life rather than pointing out when he says or does something stupid in the political arena now?”
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of course not. And that’s not what I’m saying at all. But to use Obama as an example, I HAVE seen multiple stories and features about what a great dad and husband he is. Heck, when he defended Michelle’s “proud of my country” statement, one of the columnists at the Philadelphia Daily News had a headline “The Gallant Obama”. And there have been stories about him being a good father. by all accounts, justifiably so.
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And his attentiveness as a father not only was politically mandatory (if he was a deadbeat dad he would not even have been on the radar) but does impact whether the issues he deals with, well, whether he has empathy for his constituents, be it talking about wanting his daughters to have a good education, how he feel abortion “rights” are important so his daughters, if they make a mistake, “aren’t punished with a baby”, or worrying about the security of the nation because he worries about their security; worrying about the culture because he sees them face it; worrying about the economy and college because he worries about them getting a job and knows wants the joy of seeing them with a degree. That kind of thing.
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So that’s why it does have some influence. Should it cancel out all other qualities. No. But it shouldn’t be discounted as meaningless either.
Yo, Jerome! You made the Drudgereport! http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-comic-book/story?id=13816799
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Congratulations!
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“Bill Clinton also features prominently in the book. In one frame, artist Daniel Fitz draws the former president surrounded by three scantily clad women on business partner Ron Burkle’s “custom-converted Boeing 757”, or, as the book says young aides referred to it, “Air Fe%k One.”
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Maida said he wasn’t necessarily attacking the 42nd president.”
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You weren’t “necessarily attacking” Bill Clinton with that scene? Hëll, if anything you were being nice to the man by having the atist keep the girls dressed and his pants zipped and above his ankles.
Bluewater is still printing these things?
Thanks, Bill. Jerry, my response was to a question by the interviewer who it seems read the book. Yes, it shows Clinton in a slightly unflattering light, but it is part of the story of why, according to “Game Change” and other sources, many of the Senators and other powerful people who thought Hillary was the likely nominee were desperately searching for an alternative.
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As I state in another interview, there were about three more pages in which Bill is shown in a more sympathetic light, but they had to be cut so the artist could make deadline and, in the end, it’s Hillary’s book. It’s her story – and as you said, it could have been portrayed a lot more negatively if my sole intent was to bash.
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Yes, Craig, they are because people are interested in them and I am proud of the comics I have written. someone else on this board has written a comic for them as well, so it would be nice if you weren’t so dismissive
So my conservative friends: tell me what qualities or beliefs Ms. Palin has that lead you to believe she would be a good president. If she looked like Bella Abzug, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
If she looked like Bella Abzug, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
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Really Neil? You think Palin’s support is entirely tied to her physical appearance? That is as insulting as Rene’s pronouncement of what conservative dogma is.
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I support Palin because she is Pro-Life. I consider abortion an insidious practice and a blight on our nation. I cannot vote for anyone who is not Pro-Life regardless of how many other issues I may agree with them on. Sorry if that doesn’t sound realistic, logical or PC but that’s how it is.
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For almost 40 years liberals have defined feminism as a binary. You could not be a feminist and could not demand the equality feminism promises unless you came down on the side of choice. Palin showed that she could be a mayor, governor and potentially President and still have a large family and even bring a Down Syndrome baby to term. She has been accused on this board of using that baby as propaganda. Propaganda is information of a biased of misleading nature. There is nothing Palin has done that is misleading about Trig. She had the baby well before she became nationally known so to accuse her of having selfish motives is beyond the pale. Sarah Palin runs full face into the liberal feminist first and only commandment and so she earned the immediate hatred of the left. Palin was cast as a traitor to her sex because she rejects the attitude of the liberal establishment that they are only working in the best interest of society.
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But Palin knows that members of society are not just those who are wanted and planned and perfect.
Rene:
I know it’s conservative dogma that if you have an unhappy home, then something is hideously wrong with you in all aspects of your life, but reality is simply more complex than that.
I reject your dogmas.
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It’s a bit presumptuous to announce what the conservative dogma is so that you can reject it. Yeah I reject that dogma too because it is something you made up.
Isn’t that what Jerome said, George? That the way a person relates to her family is indication of the way the person does everything else? Then, if a person has a dysfunctional family, something must be very wrong with them.
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Perhaps it’s not Conservative dogma, it’s just Jerome’s opinnion?
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Would YOU vote for a politician who cheated on their wife/husband?
Ah, abortion uber alles.
“Very well; I’ve read it.”
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Well, thanks for having the intellectual honesty to read it before commenting on it. At least this time around. That’s good. However, just because you read it doesn’t mean you get it. Because you clearly don’t.
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“Oh, bûllšhìŧ. Bull freaking šhìŧ. The typical wheeze that the right never, ever gets tired of: the candidates are being ill-treated by the media. It’s all the media’s fault, it’s all the liberal’s fault, and the candidates never, ever do it to themselves.”
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Quite ironic that you post this after a diatribe about how the Right would hypothetically pile on the poor liberals if one of them had written the Palin e-mail. Pretty humorous. When people pile on Palin, it ain’t hypothetical.
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I will give you this – McCain ran a pretty poor campaign. Didn’t change the fact that he was a great, bipartisan guy until he became the nominee. Then suddenly he became a maniacal conservative hate-filled bášŧárd.
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Last word to you guys. I never intended to get this deep into the discussion. I just wanted to point out the fact that the Palin e-mails were apparently portraying her in a very positive light, especially the one about Trig. I guess I knew it wouldn’t make any difference to you, but I am a pretty optimistic guy. I had hopes.
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“Those who hate and fight must stop themselves. Otherwise, it is not stopped.” – Spock
On the other hand, some liberals apparently are capable of seeing beyond their partisan opinions and set aside the acrimony:
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http://gop12.thehill.com/2011/06/demi-moore-ashton-kutcher-defend-palin.html
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Cheers!
Jon Stewart’s take on the whole thing is priceless, especially the segments with Andrea Mitchell and the reporter asking about whether the e-mails were “monumental” or “trivial”
http://gop12.thehill.com/2011/06/stewart-slams-media-for-palin-email.html
Quite ironic that you post this after a diatribe about how the Right would hypothetically pile on the poor liberals if one of them had written the Palin e-mail. Pretty humorous.
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Hilarious considering that’s not what I said. I said specifically Obama. I very much doubt the Right would give much of a dámņ if most liberals wrote it, although they would certainly snicker a lot if Weiner had.
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When people pile on Palin, it ain’t hypothetical.
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Yeah, and when the right wing piles on Obama, it’s not hypothetical either. It’s a day ending in the letter “y”.
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I will give you this – McCain ran a pretty poor campaign. Didn’t change the fact that he was a great, bipartisan guy until he became the nominee. Then suddenly he became a maniacal conservative hate-filled bášŧárd.
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I don’t know what the hëll campaign YOU were watching, but for the most part there was simply disappointment among many liberals, including myself, that he allowed himself to be so thoroughly and obviously manipulated by his handlers that he ran away from himself and toward the ultra right wing. He was more interested in being president than being John McCain. Again, he did it to himself, and not all your attempts to fob it off on either the media or liberal thinking is going to change that.
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Last word to you guys. I never intended to get this deep into the discussion. I just wanted to point out the fact that the Palin e-mails were apparently portraying her in a very positive light, especially the one about Trig.
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See, whereas I found that email extraordinarily creepy. And my feelings in that regard have exactly zero to do with my political leanings. Furthermore I cannot fathom how people who are blindly partisan in regards to Sarah Palin act as if they are somehow clear-eyed and clear-headed and it’s people who view her with a discerning eye who are somehow seeing her with a skewed, partisan vision. Here’s a thought: How about that my view of her is accurate and unblinded by whatever the hëll it is in her perky little self that has her supporters so gung ho for her.
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I guess I knew it wouldn’t make any difference to you, but I am a pretty optimistic guy. I had hopes.
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Of what? That I would say, “Oh, she’s obviously a good mother, so therefore that as some sort of relevance to her political capabilities.” None of which changes the fact that if Obama had a pregnant teen daughter, he’d never have gotten the nomination.
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“None of which changes the fact that if Obama had a pregnant teen daughter, he’d never have gotten the nomination.”
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With all due respect, that’s not a fact. It is your opinion. It may even be probable. But it is not a fact.