Originally published December 31, 1993, in Comics Buyer’s Guide #1050
Continuing on our sojourn through the BID mailbag, we come to a missive from Hector in New York. I’ve taken the liberty of editing it for length, although I emphasize that the editing does nothing to change any meanings or statements:
The main reason I’m writing this letter to you is to discuss your But I Digress column in CBG #1044. I’d like to say that I am not a politically correct maven, but I am a champion of fair play. I am also me. However, as a Hispanic I’m sick and tired of the comic book industry doing character assassinations of Hispanic life and Hispanics in general. Again, for the past five years the industry makes us Hispanics out to be gang members. It’s like, as per the industry, we come out of our mother’s womb with a switchblade knife in one hand and a leather jacket in another. But I know that we Hispanics are more than that and that the captains of the comic book industry know that too.
How do I know they know? Easy. Because 99.9% of our elected officials that come from Hispanic American community are not ex-anything. But yet through the magic of a four-color comic book every non-Hispanic reading a comic book that stereotypes Hispanics will assume that every Hispanic and especially elected officials had to do something bad like join a gang before they could do something good like getting elected to the House of Representatives. Simply because they all act like that like the stereotype of the ex-gang member. And to me that’s not kosher because in real life it’s simply not true. But to continue to publish stories in issue after issue depicting all Hispanics as gang members goes beyond stereotypes and becomes racism.
Unfortunately for us minorities, folks who are the basis for the stereotypes do exist in our communities. And I understand you, Peter, you just write them as you see them. Okay, that’s well and good. Unfortunately through the medium of comic books minority characters and the ethnic group they come from get identified with the stereotype instead of who we really are. The white majority therefore then believes the stereotype instead of the norm and that’s wrong. Why? Because more times than not there’s no counterbalance to show for example that, hey, most Jews are not money grubbers or media control freaks or that blacks don’t commit the most crime in the nation or that most gang members are not Hispanics. The editors, the writers, the artists know this to be true, yet when they go for the minority character in comic books they go for the stereotype. Why? I mean, come on. This ain’t 1938, after all. It’s 1993. I mean, most people know a little about some other ethnic groups and they know of someone from the minorities who doesn’t fit the stereotype. So why go for stereotypes. It’s got to be racism.
Peter, the reason why gays, Jews, Hispanics and the Japanese took you to task is simple. You can’t do stereotypes even though they be a .1% of a true reflection of what you see. Why? Because you are labeled a racist because of the sins committed by your peers and perhaps, unknowingly, by you…
I was the Hispanic who took you to task over Spider-Man 2099. First off, let me say also that Spider-Man 2099 #10 was a tour de force issue. Miguel’s mother was so lifelike that at one point I thought she was real. A very good issue. However, a couple of weeks before Marvel had released the infamous Captain America Annual #12 which introduced Battlin’ Bantam, Marvel’s second Puerto Rican hero. In the book Cap is depicted as a great white B’wana who comes to Miami to teach the Rican kid how to be a superhero. First, Bantam is inspired to become a hero by looking in a chicken coop and decides to model himself after a Bantam Rooster to fight crime. No super hero from the Golden Age to the present had a poorer origin than Bantam. And his outfit (with no pun intended) was for the birds!
His very next mission after bringing his friend’s murderer to justice was to battle a gang of wayward Home Boys (dressed in hooded sweatshirt, baseball cap, sweatpants, sneakers) in a San Juan that resembles Washington Heights more than San Juan, P.R. Also, Peter, do you realize what would happen to you if you went ditty boppin’ around in Puerto Rico’s climate dressed as a homeboy? You would die from the heat!
Once again, your peers in the industry made me question why in Spider-Man 2099 #10 you depicted Miguel O’Hara’s mother in a negative manner. You did it for dramatic effect to make your story better. But to me, because your peers in Captain America Annual #12 had gone for the stereotype instead of doing research, it made me feel that Miguel’s mother was also another stereotype as well. The reason why Irish-American fans didn’t protest Mr. O’Hara’s depiction is because somewhere in that multitude of white heroes there are some who seem more Irish than others. There’s a counterbalance which shows Irish Americans in a better light. But sadly, for most blacks, Hispanics, Jews, gays, Native Americans and Orientals, there is no counterbalance; just the negative in comic books.
What gets me is that you are not getting it. And it amazes me that it’s so! Why? Because you yourself are a member of a minority (you are Jewish) and because of that alone you should be more sensitive on why minority folks feel the way they do. Also, as a member of a minority who’s been the chief victim of stereotypes, why are you trying to justify the use of stereotypes in your stories (or at least that’s how it appears to me). And why in that very same issue of CBG you seem to me to be espousing that racist excuse that to do minority characters in comic books is one big pain in the rear and this is due to minorities asking to be treated as the WASPS are treated.
All we are asking, Peter, is for fair play. Isn’t that the American way? Plus, how can a liberal democrat since the age of 18 not understand that when the media keeps up drumming negativism against a group of people, that end result is racism.
Come on, Peter. I know you to be intelligent and compassionate and a good person. So why are you so down on folks who all they are asking for is to be treated in comic books just like the WASPS and I humbly believe that today in the 90s in the comic book medium in the good old USA, Jews, Hispanics, blacks, Orientals, Native Americans, gays, etc. are not getting equal treatment to me.
It’s not the minority folks protesting stereotypes in comic books that is keeping super heroes lily white as in vanilla pudding, but it’s the racism of the captains of the comic book industry. The editors, the writers, the artists, etc., who use that as an excuse to stereotype minority characters and to limit their numbers. Also the Tio Canas (the Uncle Sugarcanes) who are brown on the outside but white in the inside. Who by their silence contribute to the status quo, like Esteban Maroto, Boris Vallejo, Reuben Diaz, George Perez, Alex Nino, Joe Quesada, etc., who believe green is mightier than rights and who forget who they are so long as there are bucks.
Back to me:
First off, Hector, I believe “Oriental” is considered something of a racist term. “Asian” is preferable. How easy, you see, it is to offend in the ’90s.
Second, I think you’ve wandered severely far afield from what I said in the first place. The concept of stereotypes did not factor all that heavily into my discussion of the problems I’ve run into with defenders of various interests. You seem to have twisted the entire column into a lengthy claim that portraying all minorities as stereotypes was a good thing.
That wasn’t what I said at all. What I did say was that when a writer portrays any minority, then the members of that minority promptly feel that they have a special interest in that character, and that character had dámņëd well better pass muster. For example, you can bet that every eye in the gay community will be watching Philadelphia, starring Tom Hanks as a gay attorney. And despite the fact that it represents a quantum leap over Basic Instinct, there will most certainly be some who say that it still doesn’t fulfill a variety of criteria.
Or take yourself. Now you’re saying flattering things about Spider-Man 2099 #10, thanks to 20/20 hindsight and my preliminary response to your first letter. That does not change, however, your knee-jerk reaction which was to jump on me about Miguel’s mother, because she didn’t meet the standard of perfection that you felt an Hispanic woman should meet. She can’t have quirks. She can’t be weird. She can’t be weak. In short, she can’t be any of the things that I could portray a WASP being with no trepidation. Yet you say that all you are seeking is the right for Hispanics to be treated in the exact same way that WASPS are. Well, Hector, I gave you what you wanted and—just as I was trying to make clear—it wasn’t good enough.
Now if your response to that is that I haven’t created, for the sake of balance, an Hispanic woman who is “normal,” my response to that is that I can’t think of all that many WASPS I’ve created who are normal, either. All my characters are neurotic to some degree or other. Makes them interesting, I like to think.
Third, I admit that somehow I missed the Captain America annual to which you’re referring. So I’m not particularly inclined to defend it or attack it. However, I would be inclined to question—purely on the basis of your letter—your description of Cap acting like a “great white B’wana.” Cap, because of his age and experience, tends to come across as a bit patronizing from time to time (“Son, don’t you think you should put that gun down before I’m forced to hurt you?”). It sounds to me like Cap might just have been acting like himself, and you’re tossing in the ethnic terms because of the context.
I must concur that being inspired by roosters to become “The Battlin’ Bantam” sounds less than thrilling. I guess we should consider ourselves lucky that he didn’t call himself “The Fightin’ Çøçk,” huh? Still, I take issue with your contention that no Golden Age hero had a poorer origin. Or have you really forgotten the Whizzer? Not only did he get his powers courtesy of a mongoose, but he then gave himself a name that sounds as if has a serious bladder problem.
As for the inaccurate portrayal of Puerto Rico, I wouldn’t be surprised. Happens all the time. That doesn’t excuse it. But it happens all the time. For example, I’ll never forget the issue of Incredible Hulk that introduced Sabra, and depicted a battle in downtown Tel Aviv that took place on dirt streets, with camels and guys in tents looking on.
Throughout your letter, Hector, you keep wondering whether I’m racist, and say that I’m supporting racist leanings and stereotypes. I’m not. Stereotypes are a shortcut. The only time a stereotype is of use is when you’re trying to twist it—such as my using the Japanese tourists, but having them be the only characters in the book who are so savvy that they know they’re in a comic book. I wanted non-Japanese readers to bring the books to Asian friends and ask them what the characters were saying, so they could all get a kick out of it.
However, Hector, what stunned me about such a seeker of equality as yourself was the closing paragraph of your letter. Because there, sir, you take a half dozen of the most talented and accomplished artists in this industry and attack them on the basis of race. You slam them, because they have not lived up to your expectations of what Hispanics are supposed to be and do—just as the portrayal of Hispanics in comics likewise don’t measure up.
I have had the pleasure and honor of working with three of the gentlemen on your hate list, and I find your characterization of them to be demeaning and indefensible. And that isn’t even taking into account that George, for example, not only added verisimilitude to the White Tiger, but suggested that Jennifer Jean Sachs of Sachs & Violens be changed to Juanita Jean and given a fiery Hispanic temperament. Or is being fiery an unacceptable stereotype, eh?
These artists accomplished exactly what you said you wanted to see. Through their skill and talent, they became equals—and, in some cases, almost peerless—in their chosen industry. They are thought of as artists first, with any ethnic background as purely secondary. That is your precious “American Way,” Hector. That is the way of the great melting pot, and yet, for that you excoriate them.
Racism comes in many places and many forms, Hector, and sometimes it even shows up in the last place you’d expect. Your mirror, for instance.
(Peter David, writer of stuff, wasn’t expecting some sort of Spanish Inquisition.)





NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition!
I can understand someone being offended by the Battling Bantam (hëll, that Cap annual offended me, and I’m not even Hispanic), but I can’t understand someone being offended by another character solely because of the Battling Bantam. “This other guy wrote a racist depiction of my race, and that made me consider your depiction of my race to be racist as well!” Doesn’t really make sense to me.
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Of course, even if I had agreed with his other points, his “Hispanic artists who make it are race traitors” bit would have lost me anyway…
“Of course, even if I had agreed with his other points, his “Hispanic artists who make it are race traitors” bit would have lost me anyway…”
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I have heard variations of that argument many times and I do not think Hector was trying to say they are traitors because they make it but because they make it without being hispanic activists which still is a messed up argument. Hector was in my mind, stereotyping how a succesful hispanic should behave.
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I have heard people say that america is called a melting pot so ethnics grups should “melt” with the rest. This can be taken as adding part of your heritage to the “pot” while adapting to the laws and culture of the United States but some people take it as being told to “act white”.
Uncle Sugarcanes? Brown on the outside but white on the inside?
It is sad that someone from a certain group does not want others to stereotype them, yet, they have a preconceived notion of what their own group SHOULD act like (a stereotype in itself), and if you do not fit those notions you are “acting white”.
I see this a lot in public school, and it IS aggravating. I believe it hurts each cultural group’s future because they are causing some of these amazing and gifted students to NOT meet their potential out of fear of being ostracized by peers from their own group. These peers are dumbing down their cultures one person at a time.
I think Hector unwittingly let the mask slip for a moment and revealed the dark sense of envy that lies at the heart of many who are quick to embrace the PC mantle.
Many years ago i was driving in Atlanta and heard a guy from a “Native American” group who was complaining about the Atlanta Braves and their logo.
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(“Native American” with the scare quotes because he’s no more “native” than i, even though i’m only third-generation US-born on my Dad’s side – his ancestors just arrived before mine, mine came by boat, his walked…)
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He had some rude things to say about the Brave’s mascot, Chief Nockahoma. And the radio guy – i think it may have been Ludlow Porch, the man who wasn’t Lewis Grizzard’s half-brother – pointed out that the guy who portrayed Nockahoma was a full-blood American Indian.
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And the guy paused for a moment, then said “Well, yeah, but he’s a [name-of-tribe-which-i-have-forgot-in-thirty-years-or-so] – they’re nothing but a bunch of Uncle Tomahawks who hung around the trading posts and got drunk…”
Sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason. It doesn’t mean they’re right, at least not 100% of the time, but there may be an underlying truth … part of the time. The problem being that, if someone runs into a mamber of a minority/religious/ethnic group who happens to embody, at least to some degree, that stereotype, then this reinforces it and the fact that this doesn’t represent the whole becomes harder to keep in mind.
Stereotype – Bad
Archetype – Good.
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Generally, at the root of it, the difference between the two different “-types” is whether you liked or didn’t like the story…
From PAD’s mailbag, Hector hectored, “Also the Tio Canas (the Uncle Sugarcanes) who are brown on the outside but white in the inside. Who by their silence contribute to the status quo, like Esteban Maroto, Boris Vallejo, Reuben Diaz, George Perez, Alex Nino, Joe Quesada, etc., . . . .”
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Well, as much as it’s been almost 17 years, I hope that Hector did a bit more research before ever again casting such aspersions on people. Hector seems to be of the impression that ALL Hispanics are alike and think the same way. If he really is as Hispanic as he claimed, then he should be the first to realize that Dominicans ain’t Cubans ain’t Puerto Ricans ain’t Mexicans ain’t Argentines ain’t Filipinos ain’t, well you get the point. (Hëll, US foreign policy has allowed an entire group of Hispanics–Cubans–to enter this country ILLEGALLY without nearly as much outrage that greets other Hispanics like Mexicans and Salvadorans.) In his list, Hector basically put all Hispanic artists in the same basket, regardless of their actual nationality or heritage. Some people would hesitate to list Filipinos (like Alex Niño) as being “Hispanic” since they just as easily qualify (at least by US Census forms) as “Asian or Pacific Islander.”
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As to the others on his list, the Hispanic heritages are quite varied: Quesada’s is Cuban; Pérez’s is Puerto Rican; Vallejo’s is Peruvian; Maroto’s is Spanish (as in Spain). Since Maroto was born in Madrid, his “brownness” is just a little more than questionable. It really sounds as though Hector didn’t actually check how “brown” (or not) his list of Tíos Cana really was but merely pulled a list of Spanish-sounding names and decided to assign the same life experiences to all of them. Wouldn’t that essentially be, um, stereotyping?
All I have to really say is: heh. Good point.
TAC
The tricky thing about stereotypes is that many of them aren’t exactly falsehoods. They’re simply the view of an outsider that fixates excessively on the characteristics of the other group that are not found so frequently in his own group.
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If 30% of women like to spend hours and hours buying clothes, that is a minority of women, but it’s also a lot higher than the 1% of men that are compulsive clothing shoppers. It’s understandable then that a man will think all women are crazy about shopping. Even when a full 60% of women aren’t, and are likely to be annoyed by the stereotyping.
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The worst thing is that a man in this situation will be likely to discount any women that aren’t compulsive shoppers as the lone exception. After all, he sees a lot of chicks in clothing stores.
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That is true of many stereotypes. Like, “all gay men are effeminate”. No, not really. But there are still a lot more effeminate gay men than effeminate straight men. Of couse the straights will then define gay men by that characteristic.
You know, I’ve always wondered where the “effeminate” label came from. Effeminate means like a woman, right? Well, most of the gay men I know are not like that but even the really “effeminate” ones are not acting like any women I know. I think it’s the wrong word. I mean, does anyone know any women who act like, say, Jack from Will and Grace?
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It seems to me that they call it effeminate because it is the opposite of the stereotypical stoic make persona and they figured the opposite of man is woman so…
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Or am I totally off base here? It’s no big, but I’m genuinely curious and this place is a better one than most to ask questions you might not be able to in most places.
This etymology website says that it dates from the 15th century, and other online dictionaries agree, so it’s probably associated with “traditional womanly qualities” or what many people thought were those qualites: softness, meekness, readiness to scream and faint, etc. Whether
or not a plurality of gay men ever acted like that or not, I can see why so many people would believe that they would.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=effeminate
If you tried to attribute any of those qualities to most of the women I know, let alone the gay men, they would look at you as though you had suddenly sprouted eight headswith your original in the center, a sort of hydric Brady Bunch with you as Alice.
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But then, things were slightly different in the 15th century….
I’ve met a few woman who talk and act like the stereotypical “screaming fággøŧ”, but I agree that they’re rare.
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I do think effeminacy is a kind of extreme, undilluted, caricatural femininity.
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But most of the gays I’m friends with aren’t noticeably gay, except if you really know what to look for.
At WorldCon one year (well, 1977 in Miami, which was at the height of the whole Anita Bryant thing) i encountered a guy wearing two buttons:
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Going strictly by stereotype appearances, he was rather straighter-looking than some of my most cheerfully and ardently hetero acquaintances.
This etymology website says that it dates from the 15th century, and other online dictionaries agree, so it’s probably associated with “traditional womanly qualities”
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Make perfect sense. thanks.