In a shocking historical moment, one of the two Thanksgiving turkeys pardoned by President George W. Bush has turned in his resignation, preferring to die rather than be pardoned by someone who refused to pardon human beings in Texas. The turkey, “Biscuits,” was promptly drafted and is being shipped to Iraq.
The other turkey, “Gravy,” pledged eternal fealty to Bush and is considered front runner to the first available seat on the Supreme Court.
We’ll be stuffing more into this story as it develops.
PAD
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I guess “awhile” is up… =)
I yam also following this story
PAD, do you realize that you BEET other blogs to this story? are you trying to CORNer the discussion on this?
Democrats around the country rejoiced as news broke that the front runner to the first available seat on the Supreme Court was a fellow liberal.
Of course, the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth attacked that front runner, claiming that he never actually earned his waddle
Squash this thread now.
Ought to be able to work in some reference to Condi Rice as well…
Meanwhile, Sinclair Media announces that they’ll be airing a new documentary detailing how Biscuits’ protest against the Bush Administration is aiding the terrorists in Iraq.
Y’know, when I first heard about this I was wondering how they were going to teach a turkey to sign a loyalty oath.
Then I realized that they had no problems teaching 59 million of them something similar so what are you going to do.
Dear Mr. David:
Thank you for your interest in and coverage of the President’s personnel changes. Please stay where you are so that Federal agents from Homeland Security can pick you up to discuss the matter further. No need to call your lawyer since you won’t have the right to remain silent or to an attorney. Also, be a real peach and have a list of all library books checked out in the last six months.
And remember, I’m still the Attorney General until Gonzales is confirmed, you heathen, anti-American traitor.
Sincerely,
John Ashcroft
[What do you know? Kerry loses, and we still get rid of that jáçkášš.]
Attention Luigi Novi:
You were so close to the edge of perfection.
It was the GRAVY Boat Veterans for Truth.
Why on Earth are liberals worried about a draft? They’ll just rip up their cards anyways, go to anti-war rallies, and spit on the troops coming home that protect their way of life.
The turkey who lost the election had a momentous opportunity today in his speach to Congress to lay out just one of his so called “plans” to help out America and yet failed to do so.
I guess he’ll save it until the next election.
Bill said Ought to be able to work in some reference to Condi Rice as well…
I’m shocked that they haven’t yet. I’m sure it’s coming. They must be sleeping.
What those cartoonists did to her and Bush was wrong. I’m thankful that she has that job now. She deserves it.
and spit on the troops coming home that protect their way of life.
Well, I can bring up Ann Coulter again if you want…
As it is, I don’t begrudge the troops. I think you’d only prove yourself to be an even larger idiot if you think that we don’t care about the troops.
What we care about is that they get home safe, and that Bush doesn’t do anything else stupid to put them in harms way. Fat chance of that happening though.
If there was one thing I was dámņ sick of hearing in Bush’s first term was the blatant ignorant suggestion that to not support the war in Iraq was to be unpatriotic, or against our troops.
Please, PAD, by all means, give us that quote from Goring again. It is very apparently that the quote is far more relevant than Novafan is willing to admit, seeing how he has been blinded by the propoganda of the Bush Administration.
Iraq is Bush’s Vietnam, but don’t delude yourself into thinking that just because we don’t agree with the war, that we hate the troops. Ðámņ stupidity.
She deserves it.
Yeah, Bush needs a few more “Yes, sir” types hanging around. Can’t have a difference of opinion when lives are on the line, no way no how.
Too bad Powell’s credibility has been ruined by Bush.
spit on the troops coming home that protect their way of life.
I genuinely think the American way of life deserves better, but if Abu Garib is what it takes to protect it then spitting’s perfectly in order.
The sooner the US gets back to being a shining example of hope for the rest of the world the better.
Nick Eden,
So the actions of a few mean it would be justified to spit on our troops?
Please, please, please tell me that that’s not what you meant.
PAD-
Don’t you have a deadline waiting somewhere?? Yeah, and Kerry would have given them purple hearts yadda, yadda, blah, blah. Dems lost, get over it. Last political blog for awhile, gotcha.
Did you know that there has been no real documented cases of an anti-war protester spitting on a Vietnam vet?
http://spruce.flint.umich.edu/~gfburns/findthis.html
(Referring to Ashcroft) [What do you know? Kerry loses, and we still get rid of that jáçkášš.]
Unfortunately, we get him back.
A frightened Missourian
So the actions of a few mean it would be justified to spit on our troops?
No, what it has meant is that those “few” have taken the fall for our entire military command structure, when the heads of other higher-ups in our military should be rolling.
The fact alone that Gonzales, our next potential Attorney General, wanted Bush to keep these guys from being given the protection of Geneva Convention, and that it wouldn’t have stopped the prison abuse anyways, means that this goes much higher.
Yet, nobody seems to care.
Nobody cares that this abuse is being perpetrated by a country that prides itself on it’s “civilized” manner.
Nobody cares about the potential that what these prisoners suffered was possibly far worse than what those photos showed.
Nobody cares that, if these soldiers did act out of their own accord, something is obviously very fubar’ed with how we train our soldiers – no discipline and a lack of caring toward basic human rights.
Craig:
“No, what it has meant is that those “few” have taken the fall for our entire military command structure, when the heads of other higher-ups in our military should be rolling.”
Why should the higher-ups’ heads roll if they had absolutely nothing to do with it? Was this a situation of no-knowledge, “who will rid me of these turbulent priests” knowledge, or absolute knowledge? And why the hëll didn’t Janet Reno’s head roll for Waco?
“The fact alone that Gonzales, our next potential Attorney General, wanted Bush to keep these guys from being given the protection of Geneva Convention, and that it wouldn’t have stopped the prison abuse anyways, means that this goes much higher.”
Wait, so the fact that Gonzales’ legal opinion (Which is his job to supply) that the insurgents, who do NOT have a command structure, do NOT wear uniforms, and do NOT bear open arms, among other things, which are required for proteciton under the Geneva Convention, absolutely proves that the generals sanctioned the prison abuse? Wow, and liberals complain that Bush connected dots wrong.
“Yet, nobody seems to care.”
Yes, absolutely, the press BURIED this story! They never even gave it any screen time on the news! And nobody ever brings it up on blogs! COVER-UP!
“Nobody cares that this abuse is being perpetrated by a country that prides itself on it’s “civilized” manner.”
The country is not perpetrating it. Knock off the hyperbole.
“Nobody cares about the potential that what these prisoners suffered was possibly far worse than what those photos showed.”
Prove it.
“Nobody cares that, if these soldiers did act out of their own accord, something is obviously very fubar’ed with how we train our soldiers – no discipline and a lack of caring toward basic human rights.”
Wait, are you saying that, regardless of your ephemeral “facts,” that maybe they WERE acting of their own accord? And a handful of soldiers is somehow indicative of the entire military structure? Let me guess, you’re one of those who “support our troops,” right? Whatever.
Prove it.
Why should I have to? Like Rumsfeld says, just because I don’t have evidence doesn’t mean the evidence isn’t there. It worked against Saddam, right?
Let me guess, you’re one of those who “support our troops,” right? Whatever.
Your reply just tells me that, like I said, you don’t give a dámņ. You don’t care to get to the bottom of it, and you certainly don’t give a dámņ whether these soldiers were ordered to commit these abuses or not.
You’d just rather play dumb.
Why should the higher-ups’ heads roll if they had absolutely nothing to do with it?
Depends. SHOULD they have known about it? Last I heard much of it was due to lack of planning and foresight (unanticipated prisoner needs, lack of personnel for oversight, etc.). And I’m still not clear on the role of intelligence operatives that seem to contradict the military’s rules of prisoner treatment. Those are things that higher ups are responsible for (that’s why they ARE higher ups).
Moreover, the objective was not merely military; there are political objectives that are important that impinge on the military which are rising up and biting them on the ášš. They are being successful on the military ends, but I do not see them as being anywhere near competent on the political and social end.
…one of the two Thanksgiving turkeys pardoned by President George W. Bush has turned in his resignation, preferring to die rather than be pardoned by someone who refused to pardon human beings in Texas.
So basically, the turkey told him to stuff it?
[Sorry. I just couldn’t resist.]
Eric! said:
PAD-
Don’t you have a deadline waiting somewhere?? Yeah, and Kerry would have given them purple hearts yadda, yadda, blah, blah. Dems lost, get over it. Last political blog for awhile, gotcha.
Well, it’s been awhile, hasn’t it? He made that “Last in awhile” post two weeks ago. Did you think he was going to wait until after the Congressional elections in 2006? Also, I’m not sure how “political” I’d call a humorous bit about turkeys refusing pardon is. Is there some parallel in the real world that I’ve managed to stay ignorant of?
Also, it’s no business of ours to tell Mr. David how he manages his deadlines. He meets thems to the best of my knowledge, but even that’s irrelavent to the fact that his is HIS website and he can put anything he dámņ well pleases up here. But of course, I deduce that your “deadline” comment is really no more than a crass attempt to tell him to stop posting comments that dont fit your political views on his own site. That’s sort of like being invited to a friends house for dinner and then complaining to them about the food that they choose to serve. No, on second thougth, it’s a lot like that.
If you don’t like what he wrote, attack his arguments. Oh, wait. It was mostly just a humorous little bit so there’s really not much to attack. All the real political arguments have been posted by other people, not him. So you attack him instead. Humph!
Lord. Only this crew could take silly satire and start fighting over it. You guys sit at the kids’ table.
“Well, it’s been awhile, hasn’t it? He made that “Last in awhile” post two weeks ago. Did you think he was going to wait until after the Congressional elections in 2006? Also, I’m not sure how “political” I’d call a humorous bit about turkeys refusing pardon is. Is there some parallel in the real world that I’ve managed to stay ignorant of?”
Actually, I thought it would just lead into a succession of Thanksgiving related puns. Didn’t occur to me that serious political discussion would spring from it. But I guess since I *should* have known what would happen, it becomes my responsibility.
Which, in the view of some posters here, would make me different from, say, military higher-ups in regards to prison scandals. I’m just sayin’.
PAD
Actually, I thought it would just lead into a succession of Thanksgiving related puns. Didn’t occur to me that serious political discussion would spring from it. But I guess since I *should* have known what would happen, it becomes my responsibility.
Which, in the view of some posters here, would make me different from, say, military higher-ups in regards to prison scandals. I’m just sayin’.
Would it help get this back on track if I said I thought your were hamming this notion up?
How about I suggest that you just roll with it?
I understand that the other turkey did send a “mash” note to Ashcroft.
Peter, I’m sorry that some people have mashed your theme into something it wasn’t intended for… I mean, it was a poultry excuse to go into politicizing, wasn’t it? Yes, let’s take an opportunity for humor to bang the drumstick with extreme political views… and stuff the blog with commentary… Unfortunately, a well-seasoned sense of humor isn’t required, eh?
Oh, well, I guess olive with it, as will we all… otherwise we’d be in bit of a pickle, wouldn’t we? We’ll just go on with our lives, earn our celery and chicken here every day… for a slice of PAD’s sage wisdom and comments.
Jon
Rumor has it that Bush was looking up Cornucopia on a world map. Does that count? :p
Alan Coil: Luigi Novi: You were so close to the edge of perfection. It was the GRAVY Boat Veterans for Truth.
Luigi Novi: Oooooohhhh!!!! Man, I should
Two points:
1) Where, if anywhere, has anyone “spit” on troops returning from Iraq? Hëll, here Insane Diego, every ship coming back in from a tour in the Gulf gets a hero’s welcome, even if it’s just a tender that basically only supplied the warships. (Incidentally, if anyone should be stupid enough to spit on a trained warrior just back from a nasty conflict, I think the spitter deserves whatever might happen to him/her…)
2) PAD, what “serious political discussion”? The only commentary that seems serious (as opposed to knee-jerk reaction) in all of the above, is the post from our frightened Missourian friend!
Craig:
“Why should I have to? Like Rumsfeld says, just because I don’t have evidence doesn’t mean the evidence isn’t there. It worked against Saddam, right?”
Is that your argument? Seriously?
“Your reply just tells me that, like I said, you don’t give a dámņ. You don’t care to get to the bottom of it, and you certainly don’t give a dámņ whether these soldiers were ordered to commit these abuses or not.
You’d just rather play dumb.”
And your reply tells me that, like I’ve said on this board to you before, you don’t actually read what people say, just keep your blinders on. You conveniently ignored almost everything I said. Par for the course. Now, you show me where I said those soldiers shouldn’t be punished. Go ahead.
Luigi:
“Luigi Novi: That the prisoners do not fall under the Convention
Instead, Craig claimed that it was proof that the prison scandal orders came from on high.
Proof or not, commanders are responsible for the actions of their soldiers. That is the entire point of the chain of command.
You know, this brings back the whole Kerry issue and his making accusations of atrocities by US soldiers in Vietnam.
If our soldiers were doing this Iraq, imagine what they were capable of when nobody was around to capture photos and video of it?
Not saying it happened, or that soldiers would be told to do stuff, but in light of the prison stuff in Iraq, the discipline of our troops is either in dámņ shambles or somebody is telling them to do it.
Take your pick.
But if no commanders are held responsible, then you are more or less giving our troops free reign to continue such abuses, and thus, giving Bush free reign to ignore the rights of any human being on this planet.
Craig said Yeah, Bush needs a few more “Yes, sir” types hanging around. Can’t have a difference of opinion when lives are on the line, no way no how.
Yup, you sorta sound just like the political cartoons out there now, in fact, you sound exactly like them. Did you just read Doonesbury or something before making your post?
You make it sound like she has no backbone. Why don’t you cite some examples from Condoleezza Rice’s career where she has shown she has no backbone.
I’m waiting….
Luigi Novi: And right-wing propaganda lapdogs like you can simply form partisan shill groups (that claim to be non-partisan) and attack them with lies and generalizations like that, and then not respond when people point out those lies in detail. 🙂
So, I’m a lapdog now? I find that insulting. Nobody has forced me to come in here and say what I beleive is true. Liberals, can’t live with them, can’t shoot them. What to do? :0)
What lies have I ever stated on these boards? Please point them out so I can refute them Luigi.
When did I not respond to you? Please point that out to me to so I can correct the deficiency. I try to respond to everyone, it isn’t always possible since I ruffle a few Liberal feathers with some of my posts. Someone’s got to keep you on your toes right? LOL
Novafan
Peter said Actually, I thought it would just lead into a succession of Thanksgiving related puns. Didn’t occur to me that serious political discussion would spring from it. But I guess since I *should* have known what would happen, it becomes my responsibility.
Oh, come on now Peter. You actually expect us to beleive that you didn’t think a political discussion would come from this post? You tried to make it funny, but you still attempted to slam Bush in the process. You should know better than that by now.
Every single time you post something that is against Bush, you ruffle a few feathers around here. I’m darned well going to come in here every single time you do and defend our President tooth and nail.
Why didn’t you just post something historical about the turkey’s that have been pardoned in the past?
Notice that nobody responded over Kerry’s lack of showing his “plan” in his return to the Senate the other day that I mentioned earlier.
Do you believe he should share his “plan” with America that was supposed to be for American’s, or do you think he only has to share it with American’s if he was elected into office?
Novafan: Why on Earth are liberals worried about a draft? They’ll just rip up their cards anyways, go to anti-war rallies, and spit on the troops coming home that protect their way of life.
Luigi Novi: And right-wing propaganda lapdogs like you can simply form partisan shill groups (that claim to be non-partisan) and attack them with lies and generalizations like that, and then not respond when people point out those lies in detail. 🙂
Novafan: So, I’m a lapdog now? I find that insulting. Nobody has forced me to come in here and say what I beleive is true.
Luigi Novi: When people such as yourself or Craig go beyond intelligent and fair criticism and degenerate into Coulter-esque or Franken-esque broad generalizations and distortion, seemingly marching in lockstep with the ideological line, then the word is apt.
Novafan: Liberals, can’t live with them, can’t shoot them. What to do? :0)
Luigi Novi: An interesting lamentation, given that conservatives are the ones with all the guns. 🙂
Novafan: What lies have I ever stated on these boards? Please point them out so I can refute them Luigi.
Luigi Novi: I didn
Peter starts a thread trying to have a little fun.
It was funny. It was followed by a pun. Have some fun with it. Take that stick (thermometer) out of your ášš.
Luigi Novi: You challenged me on the Fonzie board to cite any lies the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth presented. I did so, and in detail. You did not respond.
Maybe I didn’t respond because I didn’t see any lies they presented. We could go back and forth for years on he said/she said if you want to. I’m sure I can dig up several things that Kerry said that were lies just like you can dig up stuff that the Swift boats said that were lies. It’s a moot point now isn’t it?
Alan said Peter starts a thread trying to have a little fun.
Yes, he has a little fun at the Republican’s expense. Yup, I thought it was really funny. About as funny as a flat tire on an icy road type of funny.
Maybe I didn’t respond because I didn’t see any lies they presented.
Well, since they weren’t there, I would not consider what they said to be the truth.
In evaluating eyewitness testimony, I find it curious to support the people where weren’t there.
Yes, he has a little fun at the Republican’s expense. Yup, I thought it was really funny. About as funny as a flat tire on an icy road type of funny.
Ah, I see. You really must be a liberal imitating a Konservative. Most conservatives I know have a working sense of humor.
uh… am I the ONLY one who caught The West Wing reference? For Goodness sake, the turkey being drafted into the military was on Bravo just a few days ago!
Yes, PAD did start a thread that was supposed to be fun (and there are actually a LOT of funny posts here. I didn’t laugh out loud, but I did smile.
I was all set to join in the fun and wit, and then Nick Eden’s post which seemigly OK’d the practice of spitting on our troops, changed my mood.
Sorry about that. It just really hit me the wrong way.
And Novafan, it was pretty clear that this thread was meant in fun. You don’t have to treat everything with the same amount of seriousness.
Life is too short. We all need to laugh.
Roger said Ah, I see. You really must be a liberal imitating a Konservative. Most conservatives I know have a working sense of humor.
Let’s see, a slam on Bush’s capital punishment belief, a slam on the Iraq war, and a slam on anyone that works for Bush as being lapdogs (to borrow a term used earlier).
What’s so funny about any of that?
Only a liberal would see this post as funny.