Marvel vs. Distributors

digresssmlOriginally published July 29, 1994, in Comics Buyer’s Guide #1080

“Things change.”

–Penguin to Batman, and vice versa

Batman Returns

A decade ago, when Carol Kalish was running Marvel direct sales, and I was her assistant… the market suffered from growing pains. There were any number of times when we would come into conflict with distributors over policy decisions; over actions taken by other arms of Marvel (Marvel Books landed us in hot water quite a few times); over opening up new distributors in order to prevent a situation where a handful of distributors controlled the majority of the market (a strategy that ultimately failed); over all kinds of things.

It was also a time when expectations were different. When X-Men (there was one mutant book at the time; what a concept) sold, as I recall, between a quarter million and 350,000, and was the pinnacle of success at Marvel. There was X-Men and there was everything else. When we solicited for the New Universe titles, we pegged sales for the first issues at somewhere around 125,000, and lo, we were thrilled.

There were arguments and disagreements and occasional feuds between all parties. Any number of times there were face-to-face confrontations at distributor meetings, back when such meetings consisted of get-togethers in cramped New York hotels and the editorial presentation consisted mostly of editors talking about what was coming up in their books while distributors took notes.

There was even the occasional blow-up, from which it seemed there would be no way back. But eventually such things would pass over, and all would settle back down to business as usual. Sometimes feelings remained bruised, but we pushed past it and moved on. Because we could afford to.

Things change.

It is now many years later, and the stakes have escalated beyond anything that Carol and I could possibly have envisioned. Shareholders’ interests must be met, multi-millionaire owners answered to. The bottom-line has been shoved skyward. Once upon a time distributors and retailers may have griped about Marvel, but the alternative was DC. Now there’s far more, and Marvel cannot afford mistakes because there’s too much at risk and too many people who have no clue or history with the comic industry who are standing there with their faces pressed against the glass wanting to see results.

This, to my mind, creates a siege mentality. In such a state, one divides the world into friends and foes. Now me, I’m neither, but merely a jerk with a column. A jerk mostly because I don’t wait until I’m a safe distance to say something critical about Marvel. I suppose I bank on Marvel realizing that I call ’em like I see ’em, and that several times in the past that’s fallen in Marvel’s favor. (At least when I’m critical, they don’t bleat that I’m just jealous.)

All that said, we come back to the notion that things change. Because an action by Marvel has come to my attention, and I can only say that Marvel’s handling of it is not the way it would have been done back when the stakes were less elevated.

Short version:

A small but long-time East Coast distributor called Comics Unlimited Ltd., run by Walter Wang (not to be confused with West Coast retailer Comics Unlimited run by Bob Matson) made statements in its retailer newsletter, dated April 1994 (although it actually came out in February) that were highly critical of Marvel Comics

Marvel subsequently dropped Comics Unlimited as a distributor… a move that is, to my recollection, unprecedented for any reason other than late payment. A move that can only be viewed as punitive, and that has sent something of a chilling ripple through the industry. One is put in mind of the film Point of No Return when Bridget Fonda is informed that she must mend her wildcat ways in her spy training, or else: “(The Boss) drew a line in the sand. He mentioned the word `bullet’ and he mentioned the word `brain.'” Marvel has likewise drawn a line in the sand… right where, it would seem, its foundation of good will is presently constructed.

Here’s the long(er) version:

Walter Wang has a long-time relationship, both personal and professional, with Steve Geppi of Diamond. By January of 1994, Wang had been in the industry over fifteen years. He had run into the law of diminishing returns; the amount of investment he would have had to pour into CU to keep it current with what larger distributors were offering in terms of services could not possibly be amortized. Growth simply wasn’t feasible… it was either flatline or, even worse, down. So Wang began talks with Geppi about Diamond buying out CU.

A couple of weeks after that, the Marvel Mart imbroglio hit. There’s no need to rehash here the adverse retailer reaction. Suffice to say that Wang was deluged with calls from angry retailers, many of whom wanted to take some sort of action against Marvel and not a few of whom wanted to boycott Marvel altogether.

This, of course, is called “Cutting off your nose to spite your face.” Wanting to avoid a customer base of noseless retailers, Wang–in his April solicit newsletter–sent a response to his customers that was, to put it mildly, strongly worded.

Wisely, he advised retailers not to boycott Marvel. Instead he recommended a three-step approach:

“First, promote other, direct market friendly publishers and try to reduce the importance of Marvel comic sales in your store…We send out enough promotional posters from various publishers to allow you to change the look of your store fairly often. Sometimes you simply have too many posters, mobiles, stand-ups, counter dumps, etc. to choose from. If you have to choose, why not choose one from a publisher who supports the direct market?…

“Second, reduce your Marvel back issue budget. Marvel Comics probably have enjoyed the best back issue sales performance of any publisher over the past ten years, but the times are changing. With back issue sales becoming a less and less important part of your sales, I hope you are not buying much inventory for the back issue bins…”

“The third thing I would suggest is that you think twice or three times before you run a Marvel co-op ad. Why not run a DC, Malibu or Valiant ad instead? They all have co-op programs…”

That Wang was cheesed off with Marvel was clear; his irritation over being deluged with angry calls from retailers was quite evident. Nevertheless, if he thought that Marvel wouldn’t react in some way, then he was kidding himself. I just somehow doubt that he anticipated the full extent of Marvel’s subsequent wrath.

I have copies of all correspondence between Marvel and CU. If I were the Washington Post, I’d quote liberally from the Marvel letters to Wang. But I just somehow feel it would be inappropriate to toss around paragraphs from someone else’s letters. So I will simply say that Marvel made it clear that it was extremely angry with Wang and expected him to do something about it.

In a subsequent letter to his retailers, Wang addressed several valid points raised by Marvel, including Marvel’s response time to the outpouring of retailer rage over Marvel Mart, and Marvel’s track record of co-op and retailer support programs–arguably the leader of the industry in such things–that made the label of “Unfriendly to the marketplace” an unfair one to stick on Marvel.

Apparently, this was insufficient. Because in May, Marvel dropped CU as a distributor. Marvel gave Wang enough warning that he was able to speed the buy out by Diamond; consequently, no CU retailers were disenfranchised.

The official Marvel statement, issued July 5, was as follows:

“The fundamental distributor relationship between Marvel Entertainment Inc. and Comics Unlimited Ltd. was severely damaged when, in their April 1994 retailer pack, Comics Unlimited urged their retailers to reduce their orders on Marvel product. The foundation of our relationship with our distributors is based on our combined effort to maximize Marvel’s retail sales in each account and provide them maximum marketing support. In a scenario where a distributor actively works to discourage retailers from ordering Marvel product, or disregard the business support that Marvel has long offered those retailers, a real and major disservice is afforded, not only to Marvel, but to the entire comics retail community.

“Marvel did attempt to restore this foundation with Comics Unlimited but, unfortunately, was unable to continue a healthy working relationship. Under these extraordinary (emphasis theirs) circumstances, Marvel has discontinued its distribution through Comics Unlimited. We regret having to take this action after a ten-year business relationship and Marvel remains committed to our long record of retailer and distributor support.”

Now… what is the most delicate way I can put this?

Marvel made a mistake.

A blunder. A screw-up, a flub, an error, a goof, a gaffe, a faux pas, a Bozo no-no, a slip-up, a FUBAR, a miscalculation, an oopsy-daisy. For a company that is concerned about its public face, this was a strategic maneuver on par with what one finds in a typical adventure of Pinky and the Brain.

Just to get a second opinion (and since Carol’s not around, I couldn’t ask her), I checked with Ed Shukin. Ed, lo those many years ago, was Marvel’s VP in charge of sales. He hired Carol Kalish and helped ramrod the entire direct sales market into existence. (If you think getting deluged with calls from cranky retailers over Marvel Mart is a hassle, try imagining the grief Ed got from several hundred very angry, and very powerful wholesalers, demanding to know what this upstart “direct market” thing was.)

Shukin recently came out of retirement to join Big Comics, but he emphasized to me that his comments to me were as an experienced sales hand, and not as a “Big” spokesman.

I asked Shukin what he thought of Marvel’s decision. After all, in the old days such a decision would have been his call to make. Shukin flat-out told me he would never have (there’s no good way to say this) cut off Wang.

After all, Marvel was very much aware that Wang, as a distributor, was going to be going away on his own. “Considering that Walter was selling out to Geppi anyway, it was a specious, stupid thing for Marvel to do,” Shukin told me.

The problem is that Marvel’s trade terms–the terms under which Marvel will do business–call for ordering at certain quantities, payment within certain periods of time. That sort of thing. Nowhere does it say that a distributor must toe the company line, or be a lackey for Marvel, any more than a distributor must be one for DC or Image or whomever. He’s not on staff. He’s a customer. Whatever happened to “The customer is always right?”

Granted, some of Wang’s statements were incorrect, and even did Marvel an unfair disservice. But if we believe that business about learning everything we needed to know in Kindergarten, well then somewhere back there I seem to recall being taught that two wrongs don’t make a right.

Particularly bizarre is Marvel citing as its premiere beef with Wang that he “urged… retailers to reduce their orders on Marvel product.” That’s the thing that has Marvel’s collective nose most out of joint.

The problem is that Wang didn’t say that.

He advised, as noted above, that retailers should not be heavy ordering for the purpose of back issue stock.

That Marvel should take umbrage at this is peculiar considering that, a half dozen years ago, this was the official Marvel direct sales policy. I know, because Carol Kalish set it, and I espoused it.

Carol’s continued emphasis to retailers–considered heresy by some at the time–was that they should be ordering only what they could sell within a month’s time. That they should not be ordering additional copies intended solely for back stock, because this was just tying money up. Instead of investing money in back issues, and all the hidden costs of upkeep, Carol preached that retailers would be far wiser to keep the flow of new comics coming in (and the money available for such) and de-emphasize back issues whenever possible.

Hëll, that was part of the defense used when Marvel started going back to press with certain comics: Carol said, “Hey, we’ve been telling you for ages you shouldn’t be investing heavily in back stock.”

Carol developed this philosophy. She got promoted.

Walter Wang repeated this philosophy, presenting it as an alternative to retailers dropping Marvel entirely. He got the axe.

The only possible interpretation of this shift in stance is that Marvel is emphasizing bottom line sales-at-all-costs over retailer health. This is… to put it mildly… not good. I want to think better of Marvel than that; I really do. I don’t think that’s what Marvel is really intending to put across.

Unfortunately, that’s what’s being perceived, and I think it behooves Marvel to make it clear that that’s not the case. Fast.

Whatever Marvel’s intentions in the Wang action were, they’re almost secondary to public perception… and a smart corporate entity should be able to know how things will be viewed and take that into account.

Observers read the action thusly:

Marvel, feeling besieged from all sides, took an opportunity to act tough at no financial risk to itself. Wang could be dropped as a distributor with impunity, because Marvel knew he was being bought out by Geppi. This way, though, Marvel could send out a message to the distributors that said, in essence, “We expect support from our distributors; don’t screw with us.”

Was this Marvel’s intention? We don’t know. We must content ourselves with the official statement. Maybe Marvel was just ticked off, fed-up, and took an action without considering the long-term consequences. But Marvel should have considered them.

What Marvel should have done was address a letter to Wang’s retailers, presenting in clear and friendly terms Marvel’s side of things. Then Marvel should have asked Wang to distribute it in his next mailing. And after that, let it go. Shine it on. Move along, buddy, okay, c’mon, show’s over, nothing more here to see.

But Marvel didn’t do that. In essence, Wang said to his retailers, “It looks like Marvel is out to get us,” and Marvel, in essence, said, “Oh yeah?! We’ll get you for that!”

This is not the way to make friends and influence people. And Marvel could use all the friends it could get.

That, at least, has not changed.

(Peter David, writer of stuff, corrects his earlier column. The cover of Thing #6 was not drawn by Ron Wilson but, in fact, by Brent Anderson. At least that’s what the signature seems to say. Brent… join the ranks of people who have been tributed.)


17 comments on “Marvel vs. Distributors

    1. And, conversely, a big story if no comic breaks 100K. At least, that’s the impression I got from the last couple of months, with all the Chicken Little-ing accompanying the sales figures.
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      As for Marvel’s relationship with distributors, boy was this

  1. Of course, “things change” is certainly true now, compared to 1994. I wonder how much of Marvel’s monthly sales come from TPBs instead of individual issues? I also wonder how much they focus on movies instead of comic books? (I’ll bet the THOR comic sales go up a lot more as the movie gets closer, but I’m sure they didn’t decide to do the movie based on the sales of the monthly comic.)

  2. Ms. Kalish’s philosophy is even more valid now that collected editions are all the rage. Why buy so much extra for back issue sales when a whole six-issue story will be collected in a bookshelf-friendly edition not long after.

  3. Regarded Mr. David,

    Ever wondered what would happen if it came to Starfleet vs the Daleks ? Well, I’m sorta working on the answer. (I haven’t send anything to a publisher yet.) But well…I might have…euhm…totaled Enev and Haresh in the process. And please don’t ask what happened to the Enevians, or the Tulaan. (You did have all-risk insurance on the latter, right ?)Anyway, you have my E-mail adress and I would be extreeeeemely grateful if you could contact me. (The ending sorta went to pieces. Stupid Romulan Empire, reasorbing the Imperial Romulans. And just AFTER we’d finally switched all the names signs.)

    Regards,

    Somebody else who also wants to become a writer of stuff.

    1. My guess is that Marvel Mart was supposed to be Marvel’s own stores, kinda like the Disney Store, and retailers were upset that Marvel was now going to compete against them by retailing their own product.

      1. Retailers had a right to be upset, since Marvel was considering them to be the middle-man, and was doing something to undercut their sales. On the other hand, those same retailers could point at those Marvel stores and say “we carry those titles AND DC, Dark Horse, Image, and dozens of other smaller publishers that they DON’T”.

        A friend of mine owned a gaming store, and offered a few products online. He was irritated when Games Workshop began to forbid retailers from selling *their* product on the internet because it would be in competition with *their* website sales. And they enforced their ban by, if they discovered anyone selling online anyway, revoking retailers’ priveleges to run sanctioned events, and if I recall correctly, due to their “special relationship” with Diamond, even refused sales to such stores.

        It’s not a very retailer-friendly way to run a business…

      2. Well, comic book stores are a middle man. And, in the end, Marvel has the right to sell their comics how they see fit, up to and including cutting out comic book stores altogether.

    2. If I remember correctly, Marvel Mart was a mid-90s equivalent of Marvel Previews, except that rather than a customer placing their order for a book through their comic shop, they would place it directly with Marvel.

      Peter talks about it in this post here.

      1. Peter’s linked column doesn’t really specify it but my memory is that Marvel Mart was a mail-order service that allowed people to directly purchase recent key books from Marvel. The advert was a multi-page insert catalogue, presented in a semi-narrative form of lots of fans entering the “Marvel Mart” and wowing over the specified titles, with Spider-Man foiling a couple of shoplifters.

        The main controversy I recall was that a number of the books advertised were in strong demand and back issue prices were rising, but they were not available as reorders. Marvel Mart was generally offering them at cover price, although usually in crossover packs.

  4. Wow! Talk about a “blast from the past” event!

    I was in attendance at that Marvel Distributors meeting when Steve Geppi, along with Bill Shanes issuing unintentional “legal mouthpiece” interjections, went through the roof when it was discovered that Marvel was doing second printings of GI Joe #2 (first appearance of Snake Eyes) and #26 & 27 (Snake Eyes’ origin story)! Marvel staff expressed confusion because it was their understanding that comic distributors and retailers weren’t interested in selling second editions, so when a retailer (can’t remember the name of the company) offered this three-book bagged set through a comic book ad, Carol, being the consummate professional that she was, played peacemaker and extended the offer to the distributors at that same meeting! This was something that she didn’t have to do since the distributors didn’t think of this first, but in the short and long term it smoothed things over and it was “business as usual” as Peter said. Of course, the retailer issued a follow-up ad announcing that he had to increase the price of the set (possibly because the bulk of his order was delayed due to the increased print run caused by the distributors’ rant) and added what could have been read as a literary sulk on their part because they came up with the marketing idea first and felt that they were being punished by the distributors because of it. I was deeply concerned for both the distributors and the advertising retailer at that time and expressed my feelings to Carol when she gave me a personal invitation to visit Marvel Headquarters after the meeting. Her perspective was very clear: Marvel doesn’t receive a dime off of back-issue sales and when retailers place their orders with back stock in mind they hurt themselves and Marvel in the long-run because the speculators’ market has a history of unreliability and economic capriciousness (my personal interpretation of her words, not a direct quote). I interpreted her position as motivated self-interest at best and corporate arrogance at worse at the time and was slightly taken aback by this. However, I kept this feeling to myself and enjoyed the rest of the tour. Looking back, I can see that Carol was and still is 100% right! Marvel is a business, not a charity. If it wants to extend its market base so that it won’t have to dip into a single economic well to sustain itself, what business is it of the distributors and retailers if they do so?

    In the same vein, Marvel had no business performing “censure” of Walter Wang when he basically looked at the other end of the glass when he addressed the “we don’t just sell Marvel Comics so we shouldn’t give them an exclusive advertising boost when we sell their merchandise” strategy that could have also prompted him to contribute an essay to a DC promotion publication that was being solicited to new and used book stores around that time. I believe he also went on record as saying “the bookstores had their chance and they blew it” in a separate (DC?) publication which could have indicated that Walter was as much “on the comic book market pulse” as Carol was at that time. I wonder whatever happened to him after this?

    I also remember “The New Universe Campaign” when it was launched and noticed that Chuck Rozanski voiced the general opinion of the distributors when he basically said “If Marvel’s name wasn’t posted on the cover, this title wouldn’t stand a chance of succeeding!” and Jim Shooter replying “I’m willing to stand on a street corner and sell these books myself if I have to!” I don’t know if that left a positive or negative impression on the other attendees, but Rozanski proved to be the visionary regarding “those issues.” Odd how those two combatants set up an alliance of sorts after Carol passed away and Jim created Defiant Comics! Politics make strange bedfellows indeed!

    1. In the same vein, Marvel had no business performing “censure” of Walter Wang when he basically looked at the other end of the glass when he addressed the “we don’t just sell Marvel Comics so we shouldn’t give them an exclusive advertising boost when we sell their merchandise” strategy that could have also prompted him to contribute an essay to a DC promotion publication that was being solicited to new and used book stores around that time.
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      No argument here. It’s a dámņëd good thing that I wasn’t still Marvel’s direct sales manager at the time, because it would have fallen to me to pull the trigger and dump Comics Unlimited. And I wouldn’t have done it. No way would I have done it. It would likely have been the end of my sales career because I would have point blank disobeyed a direct order and they’d probably have fired me for insubordination.
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      1. 1. That’s why I said “Marvel” and not “Marvel Sales Department.” I would find it difficult to believe that anyone in their Sales Department would have the authority to do that by their own volition. I wonder if anyone was pushed forward as “the fall guy” of this ill-advised decision or was it swept under the rug and forgotten by Corporate. Any word on that, Peter?
        2. You are far too classy a guy to do anything like that, Peter, and I’m not just saying that because this is your blog. When I met you in person during my days of working for a comics distributor, you were personable and professional to my “boss” and you treated me like a fellow comics fan who happened to be “in the business.” I had no reason to believe that you weren’t being genuine. Now I have the pleasure of saying “I knew Peter David when…”

    2. The retailer who came up with the GI Joe #2 bag product was Steve Milo or American Comics, a large mail order retailer of new comics.
      I changed hats and continued my career as a Mathematics professor.
      Walter Wang

  5. Lots of water under the bridge since the very accurately detailed events back in 1994. Given the much higher stakes today, if I did it again I guess Marvel would send Punisher, Wolverine, and all their other characters after me. Best to all, especially Peter David who broke the story in his column.

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