Gaza Strip mining

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1. Excuse me, I meant the Arab Countries — Egypt (which controlled the Gaza Strip pre-1967), Jordan (which controlled the West Bank pre-1967) and Syria (which controlled the Golan Heights pre-1967).

   And the purpose of my prior post was tnot o cast blame on blameless Arabs, but to point out that Israel’s control of the West Bank and Gaza were not caused by acts of agression by Israel, unlike actions by the United States government against the Indians. I don’t think that there can be an argument with that.

2. “This is your most accurate and compelling argument. For the Palestinians.”

   The analogy referred to the use of terrorist tactics. In terms of the actual groups, Native Americans have a genuine beef with an American government that took their land and gave them empty promises. They were a genuine nation. The Palestinians is a generalized name that’s been grabbed by a section of Arabs to make them sound like an individual nation, when the fact is that “Palestinian” refers to anyone in Palestine, Jews and Arabs alike. The use of it now makes as much sense as if all the Homeless people in the United States announced that they were to be dubbed “Homelesstinians” and were entitled to their own homeland.

   What they truly are are cast-offs from other Arab nations who see them as a convenient means of (a) getting rid of their own lower, poorer class, and (b) outnumbering the Israelis to get rid of them. The fact that NO pressure is put on other Arab countries to provide homes for these people but rather the entirety of the pressure is put on Israel to do something about it is just another example of the double standard that Israel is held to.

   PAD

3. I’m not sure how much I think it’s a double standard to expect Israel to provide in at least some way for the people they happily utilize for low cost labor and services they can’t/won’t provide for themselves.

   It’s been 20 years (woah – how did that happen?) since I lived there for a few months, but I presume the policy still stands that no citizen can lawfully keep their business open on the sabbath unless it’s explicitly and primarily for tourism purposes. So “the arabs” run those. They also occupy a niche in the country’s labor force that is most similar to latin immigrants in the US.

4. Fact is Palestinians are for the most part descendants of the arabs that lived in Palestine before the founding of the State of Israel. Its true that those territories belonged to Transjordania after WWII but that doesnt mean the people should move to Jordan now (like, anyway, many did) since they still have a right to live in that land.

   So ok, having them there can be inconvenient, but its their right to be there, their land to own. They dont have to move to other arab country because their land is Palestine, may it be an independent state, part of Jordan or something completely diferent.

   And again, I realize its some palestinian factions to blame for most of the violence happening there, but as civilized and restrained the Israeli army behaves, it is still a foreign force in that land, and its mere presence make life humilliating and hard for a majority of palestinians who rightfully inhabit that land, while perpetuating the bussiness of those who live on violence.

5. The strange thing is that I, and I think Erez also, are less extreme than some of the pro-Israelis on this thread, including PAD himself, but less extreme than the pro-Palestinians.

   I feel the Palestinians behave as if they were passive victims, although the have had an influence, usually negative, on events. Israelis are sometimes guilty of the same attitude.

   I don’t know if Israelis would agree to Peace that involves withdrawl from land if there was no threat of war of terrorism. On the one hand, Israelis did like getting those extra lands in 67, and some feel they have ignored opportunities for peace so they may keep them. But on the other hand, we never had a situation where terrorism or war were not an issue.

   Don mixes up the fact that Palestinians have been a source of unskilled labor in Israel and the other fact that in a Jewish country like Israel businesses are more likely to be closed on Saturdays, although more are open than 20 years ago. This has nothing to do with Arabs. presenting it like that creates the false impression.

   Jews are aware that Jerusalem is sacred to other religions. It is annoying that other monotheistic religions had to pick Jeruslem too, but we accept it. The problem has more to do with which nation is going to control what.

   Terrorism here is not the act of individuals but of organizations enjoying much popular support. This does not mean all are guilty, but it should be taken into consideration.

   I also want to add to what Erez said. Although we have the occasional terrorist attack, Israelis spend most of their time living a life very similar to that of Americans, comics, movies, parties, etc. Our security forces were able to reduce terrorist attacks from about once a week a the hight of the current cycle to once every few months, with usually few casualties.

   I don’t know if one disasterous terrrist attack with thousands of casualties like 9/11 is better or worse than the occasional attack with 3, 5, 10 casualties.

6. “If Israel gives back every piece of conquered land everything should be ok. I do not support the terrorism but I understand how the palestinians feel. What would you do if Canada conquered two or three USA states?”

   From an Arab / Muslim / Paletinian perspective all of Israel is conquered land, so if Israel was to give that away there would be no Israel.

   I do think Israel should withdraw from the lands taken in 67. But even here East Jerusalem should be considered seperatly, since it is of importance to Jews as well as Muslims and Christians.

   Micha

7. The Last War

   Freedom, Peace and Security will NEVER be won nor secured by the sword, another war will always need to be fought to end the fear of the sharp blade against the vital thoughts of change.

   The last war will be waged without soldiers or freedom fighters, without blood shed or death, no rockets red glare, no bombs bursting anywhere.

   The last war will not cause suffering, broken hearts, splintered spirits, or shattered bodies and souls, the creation of nature and man will not be crushed under the rolling thunder of armored machines, chemicals will not rain down from above, maniacal viruses will not attack from within, suicide terror raids, genocide, and nuclear holocaust will have no place in the last war, the casualties will be the end of competition, industry, government and religion which plan for and carry out the destruction, addiction and control of others.

   The last war will be waged BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE, a war where all things will be TREATED as equal, a war employing weapons of MASS COOPERATION, battles fought and won with tolerance for all, understanding of difference, awareness of responsibility, a war in which compassion and love conquer and destroy the final evil enemy of humankind, the last war, the mother of all wars, the war to end all wars, must be waged upon fear.

   We the People, declare a global war on fear.

   How do we the people start this war, how do we wage this war, how do we the people win the last war ?

   We start by turning away from those who support fear, by denying our services, our employment, our political, financial, moral and spiritual support to those who build and profit from the economy of competition, addiction and war.

   We wage the last war by demanding that our energy and environment be clean and renewable, by demanding that the thousands of billions of dollars spent yearly on making the weapons and means of war be shifted and added to the nearly meaningless hundreds of billions which is reluctantly parted out for social, health, education and domestic infrastructure.

   We win the last war by simply entrusting our votes, our support, our children’s and grandchildren’s lives to those of US whose words and actions – DELIVER – compassion, love and truth.

   We the people can, will and must defeat fear.

   ©Bruce Larson*Moore
   Of Poetic*Service

   Love*Rulz – {Available on DVD ;}
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8. And the Spammers Cometh… Again.

9. What they truly are are cast-offs from other Arab nations who see them as a convenient means of (a) getting rid of their own lower, poorer class, and (b) outnumbering the Israelis to get rid of them. The fact that NO pressure is put on other Arab countries to provide homes for these people but rather the entirety of the pressure is put on Israel to do something about it is just another example of the double standard that Israel is held to.

   Point well made. I guess there is hope for me yet since we seem to somewhat agree on at least one political topic. 🙂

   Keep this up and I will wonder if I entered the twilight zone or a mirror universe.

   Iowa Jim

10. Don mixes up the fact that Palestinians have been a source of unskilled labor in Israel and the other fact that in a Jewish country like Israel businesses are more likely to be closed on Saturdays, although more are open than 20 years ago. This has nothing to do with Arabs. presenting it like that creates the false impression.

    This is like saying that the French have nothing to do with Paris… other than that it’s filled with them. Arabs play a role in the Israeli economy not only based on the ones who do unskilled labor but also the ones providing labor on the sabbath. You comment that more businesses are open on the sabbath than 20 years ago, but a little googling shows me that they are, in fact, doing so in violation of the law that continues to be in place.

    Many security issues the country has can be directly traced to the fact that the Palestinians have to be allowed a certain degree of mobility to fill this economic niche. But at the same time that their contribution is valued the citizenry considers them a problem and de facto second class citizens. This place in Israeli society is one that rarely gets any play in news discussions here in the US, however.

11. No Don. You are mixing things. Israel does not use and does not need Arabs to fill jobs on Saturdays. The kind of unskilled labor they do or did is inactive on Saturdays. Restaurants, movie theaters, shopping malls have no use for that kind of labor. Israeli Arabs, who are full citizens, and who own their own businesses, such as restaurants or grocery stores, may profit because they work on Saturdays and rest on Fridays. In general there are more businesses open now than before dispite the law or using some clause in it I am not aware of. Many businesses are still closed. This has nothing to do with Arabs, but with the relationship between tradition and secularism in Jewish society.

    The Palestinians are second class citizens because they do not have citizenship, because where they live has not been annexed to Israel legally. This is why, I, and many others think we should stop occupying these territories.

    Palestinians are not filling a necessary niche in Israeli economy. Between 67 and 94 the lines between the West bank and Gaza and Israel were blurred, mobility was possible in both directions, and many Palestinians sought work in Israel. After the foundation of the Palestinian authority there was more awareness of borders + Palestinian workers started being involved in stabbing and suicide bombings. This resulted in more closing of borders, and fazing out Palestinian unskilled labor, which was replaced by legal and illegal aliens from Africa, the Phillipines, China and Romania. This was fine with Israelis, but bad for Palestinians, who needed the work. So, the problem is not that the Palestinians served a niche in Israeli economy as much as Israel served a niche in their economy. The question of the inequality of Palestinians has to do with the occupation, not work. and neither has anything to do with the Sabbath.

12. The Palestinians is a generalized name that’s been grabbed by a section of Arabs to make them sound like an individual nation, when the fact is that “Palestinian” refers to anyone in Palestine, Jews and Arabs alike.

    But the fact is, they have lived in those territories for generations, dating back even before the formation of Israel. And as such, they deserve to be enfranchised in a viable state. Since Israel obviously doesn’t want to formally make those territories a part of their nation, and give the people living in them citizenship, the only other fair alternative is to set up an independent state within those territories. Anything else is denying those people their basic human right to self-determination.

13. “But the fact is, they have lived in those territories for generations, dating back even before the formation of Israel. And as such, they deserve to be enfranchised in a viable state.”

    Matt…they don’t want enfranchisement. They don’t want a viable state. They want to kill Jews. They want to kill ALL the Jews. They want to obliterate Israel off the map. If I went to visit Israel and they had a chance to kill me, they would seize it. And the reason that I say this is that they had a state handed to them…HANDED TO THEM…and Arafat turned it down. He turned it turn. After thousands of hours of negotiations…after Arafat initially said “yes”…he turned around and attached conditions that obliterated every single thing he agreed to.

    They could have had a state five years ago. Instead they chose to kill Israelis.

    I have no sympathy for them. None.

    PAD

14. They could have had a state five years ago.

    Do you think things could change now that Arafat is gone?

15. Matt…they don’t want enfranchisement. They don’t want a viable state. They want to kill Jews. They want to kill ALL the Jews. They want to obliterate Israel off the map. If I went to visit Israel and they had a chance to kill me, they would seize it. And the reason that I say this is that they had a state handed to them…HANDED TO THEM…and Arafat turned it down. He turned it turn. After thousands of hours of negotiations…after Arafat initially said “yes”…he turned around and attached conditions that obliterated every single thing he agreed to.

    I think there is a lot of hatred from the Palestinians, yes. But I think to say the hardcore of Fatah or Hamas defines the entire Palestinian population is a mistake. I am not saying trust them. I am saying, that without a Palestinian state, this conflict will rage forever. At least with a Palestinian state, there is something to work with. If they attack, Israel can attack back. If their leaders fail to bring them prosperity, it’s their fault. So I think that’s something we need to push for…. certainly a genuine representative democracy is not going to happen overnight, but it’s an evolutionary process, and the US and Israel’s actions can push it in the right or wrong direction.

    Because in the end, while the Arafats of the world may care for nothing but their own political power and enrichment, and the Bin Ladens may think of nothing of sacrificing human life for their warped vision, the average human being on the street, even with prejudices and bigotry, still wants to be able to provide a better life for their family. And if they see that possibility, then they will know they have something to lose, and that’s a starting point for peace.

16. “At least with a Palestinian state, there is something to work with. If they attack, Israel can attack back. If their leaders fail to bring them prosperity, it’s their fault.”

    Right there. That’s the money phrase, the last sentence there.

    We’re talking about a people who have spent the last sixty years blaming everything that’s gone wrong with their lives on the Jews. Not on other Arab countries for rejecting them. Not on their own leaders for catering to the desires of the extremists. On the Jews.

    I think that’s, bottom line, why Arafat turned down the best offer they would ever have gotten, preferring instead an intefada (hope I spelled that right). Because deep down he knew that the creation of a Palestinian state would theoretically mean an end to being able to blame the Jews when things go wrong.

    The leadership doesn’t want its own state. It wants scapegoats.

    PAD

17. We’re talking about a people who have spent the last sixty years blaming everything that’s gone wrong with their lives on the Jews. Not on other Arab countries for rejecting them. Not on their own leaders for catering to the desires of the extremists. On the Jews.

    Ok, but so did the Germans. Didn’t change the fact that the Treaty of Versailles was an extremely bad idea, and with some foresight, the rise of Nazi Germany could have been averted. So, yes, the hatred is misplaced. But, the root of the hatred is ultimately their crappy position. Happy people don’t hate (or at least not as much). So, regardless of whose fault it is, doesn’t it behoove the Israelis, who are primarily threatened by this hatred, to take steps to quell it? Including facilitating the creation of a viable and prosperous Palestinian state.

    I’m not saying it’s going to change attitudes overnight, but if the Palestinians have decent homes and businesses to be concerned with, they’re going to have to think twice about starting stuff with Israel.

18. “But, the root of the hatred is ultimately their crappy position. Happy people don’t hate (or at least not as much).”

    Sure they do, if hating is what makes them happy.

    “So, regardless of whose fault it is, doesn’t it behoove the Israelis, who are primarily threatened by this hatred, to take steps to quell it?”

    Well, gee, America feels primarily threatened by terrorists. What steps did we take? Hmm. Oh, right, I remember. We declared war and tried to kill them all.

    In point of fact, Israel already did what you suggest. They’ve BEEN doing that. What else were all the compromises that they extended through Clinton’s negotiating if not taking steps to quell it. And Arafat wouldn’t give an inch. He wouldn’t even budge on the notion of commercial airlines being able to go over proposed Palestinian airspace so that they could land at Ben Gurion airport, for God’s sake.

    “Including facilitating the creation of a viable and prosperous Palestinian state.”

    They DON’T WANT THAT. They want to KILL JEWS. Fat Jews, skinny Jews, Jews who climb on rocks. Tough Jews, sissy Jews, even Jews with chicken pox. They want them dead. All dead. Every single one. Dead. Dead dead dead. It’s like the pilot of “Red Dwarf.” “Baby Jews?” “Yes, Dave, they want baby Jews dead.” “What about really old crippled Jews. They want THEM dead?” ‘Yes, Dave, dead.” “What about really gorgeous female Jews? They couldn’t want THEM all dead?” “Gordon Bennett, yes, Dave, all dead, all dead, Dave, Dave, all dead. All. Dead. Dave.”

    Consider that GOP leaders are reluctant to fly in the face of the desires of their most extremist supporters for fear of eroding their political base. The Palestinian leaders have even greater concerns over defying the desires of their most radical supporters: They’ll end up dead. Not politically dead. Dead dead.

    The Palestinians want negotiations? They want a homeland? Here’s how they do it. They round up every known extremist terrorist, every single one who is involved with the killing of Jews, and they put them up against the wall and they say, “Hey, Israel! We want the deal that you agreed to and that Arafat turned down. And as a show of good faith, this is the fate of all those who want to kill Jews.” And then they blow away all the Jew killers. All their leaders. All their would-be suicide bombers. No one survives. Leave their bodies as crowfood with big signs on them that say, “JEW KILLERS, YE BE WARNED.” Excise the radicals as they would a cancer. Zero tolerance for Jew killers.

    They’d have their own nation within 24 hours.

    PAD

19. They DON’T WANT THAT. They want to KILL JEWS.

    Ultimately, I don’t believe that’s the case with the majority. Yes, there’s widespread hatred and prejudice against Jews. But I think you if you came to the average Palestinian and offered them, individually, the choice to kill some Jews, or to live with their family in peace and prosperity, they’d take the latter.

    We know there are those who wouldn’t, of course. But as we’ve seen in our own country, it doesn’t take anywhere near a majority of a population to perpetrate mass violence and destruction. The trick is to continue to battle the extremists, while at the same time offering the rest of the population a reason to oppose them. There must be the stick and the carrot.

    And yeah, Israel has tried and been unsuccessful in the past, but that’s not a reason to stop trying. Especially with what is at stake.

20. “They DON’T WANT THAT. They want to KILL JEWS.”

    “Ultimately, I don’t believe that’s the case with the majority”

    Then you know what? If that’s so, I think it’s time to take an approach other than saying that it’s the Israeli’s responsibility to get things done. Because Israel tried and failed, and it was due to Palestinian intransigence. I say if that’s not what the majority of Palestinians want, then they get off their áššëš and do something about it. Stage massive protests in favor of Israel. Round up guns and destroy them. Turn in the leaders of terrorist cells. Cooperate with the Israeli authorities 110%. Throw out the current regime and put in moderates who want only peace.

    Right now, the only example I’m seeing of Palestinians working to achieve a homeland is by trying to kill innocent people. I don’t think murderers deserve their own homeland. I don’t think they should be the primary face of the Palestinians. And if the majority can’t be bothered to take organized, aggressive action, then they are roundly deserving of whatever happens to them.

    PAD

21. “Stage massive protests in favor of Israel. Round up guns and destroy them. Turn in the leaders of terrorist cells. Cooperate with the Israeli authorities 110%. Throw out the current regime and put in moderates who want only peace.”

    do you think Israel would give them the West Bank and Gaza if they did this?

    also, i can’t go with the staging massive pro-Israel protests. the only analogy i can come up with is hyperbolic. that’s a little like expecting south carolina blacks in the 50s to march in support of Strom Thurmond.

    many peoples have used terrorism. i won’t justify it, but it has long been the last resort of the desparate. the King David Hotel bombing certainly wasn’t an act of passive resistance.

    just because people resort to terrorism doesn’t mean they don’t have legitimate concerns.

22. to clarify a bit, it’s certainly an important step for the Palestinians to recognize the legitimacy of Israel. however, the idea of wanting massive pro-Israel protests just really hits the wrong tone for me.

    actually, i think i was getting the wrong idea. public demonstrations supporting the legitimacy of Israel and a spirit of cooperation would be positive.

    when i first read what you wrote, i had the image of a big protest of “we love Israel, we feel lucky they don’t crush us, we hope they’ll do something nice for us someday.”

23. You know, I really can’t help but feel sorry for the Palestinians. In the struggle between Arabs and Israelis, they are the football who gets tossed around and passed and used in proxy.

    And yes, Arafat was an uber-schmuck. In case no one remembers, the current infada originally began when Palestinians started protesting against Arafat’s government. Arafat, realizing he wanted to be a hero not a leader, helped turn the uprising against him into an uprising against Israel. Israel went through numerous changes of leadership and the US through several administrations, yet there was no progress in the Israeli/Palestinian problem; Arafat in charge was the only thing about the situation that didn’t change. With him dead, perhaps at last real peace can be acheived, but it may take the better part of a generation to get back to the level of cooperation that existed way back in 2000.

24. I think both Peter and Matt have a point. What Matt says is the opinion held by even the pessimists of the Israeli liberal camp (to use American terms), namely, that a Palestinian State is in Israel’s best interest regardless. However, many Israelis, even Liberals, feel sometimes like Peter, and fear that the Palestinians are not interested in Peace.

    I do want to say that Palestinians are not killing Israelis because they are anti-semite. They are doing it because they think that the ends justify the means, that is terrorism. The question is, what are the ends? The reversing the foundation of Israel or the foundation of a Palestinian State next to Israel?

    Arafat’s rejection of Barak’s offer does not prove that he’s rejecting any peace offer. However, he is guilty of not making a counter offer (which we may have rejected); and worst, in supporting, or at least not opposing, the use of terrorism to force Isreal to make a better offer.

    The current leadership has spoken against the use of terrorism ,because, they say, it harms the Palestinian cause, but their willingness to act against terrorism is very limited. The reason for that is that terrorism is not the act of a few individuals in Palestinian society, but a major part of the Palestinian ethos. People speaking against it feel they need to qualify and justify themselves. Nor has terrorism been the last resort. It has been almost the only resort.

    I have attended non-violent demonstration of Palestinians and Israelis from the extreme left. These demonstrations (including one attended by Ghandi’s grandson) had a very nationalistic tone (huge Palestinian flags), and were used mostly to count Palestinian grievences, not to actually call for Peace or the end of terrorism. They were non violent only in the sense that they were not violent themselves. I know that some of the Israelis attending did not feel good about that, although they really wanted to do something for Peace.

    Talling about the King David hotel without adressing the conflict between the group that did it and the Jewish leadership is misleading.

    The Palestinians are not a football. Their role in this conflict is active, not passive.

    Lastly, I prefer to think of it as killing Israelis than Jews because the point of Israel was that Jews controled their own destiny among nations, which means that we get killed because of the policies of our governments, just like Americans. Which does not mean that non-Israeli Jews were not targeted, but not as much by Palestinians, I think.

25. If that’s so, I think it’s time to take an approach other than saying that it’s the Israeli’s responsibility to get things done.

    If someone makes a huge mess in your backyard, and nobody else is willing to clean it up, are you just going to say “It’s not my responsibiity”, and let it stay a mess? At a certain point, we have to realize that it isn’t a question of responsibility; it’s a question of whose problem it is. And the Palestinians are much more of a problem for Israel than for any other nation in the region, therefore it behooves Israel to find a solution, even (especially) if no one else is doing so. It doesn’t even have to be a moral consideration, or a matter of who deserves what, simply a matter of the reality on the ground.

    I think the best reason for Israel to work to establish a Palestinian state is that it is much easier to hold a state accountable for its actions than dispersed terrorist organizations.

26. PAD:

    You saying that all the palestinians want is to kill jews equals to, say, an iraqui saying all americans want is to kill arabs, wich obviously is not true. You take what a group of palestinians do and turn it into what they all do.

    Ive met my share of palestinians, since there are many studying here in Spain (even israeli arabs who consider themselve palestinians) and when talking about “the conflict” none expressed the hatred toward jews that you so clearly see. As any group of people, it has its share of sheeps, wolfs and peaceful thinkers.

    And “rounding up” all terrorist and killing them is easier said than done. As a country with a decades old problem with a terrorist group I can confirm you that you cant do that with militaristic violent means. Franco did and never suceed. Slow political tactics and improving things so people no longer can agree with the terrorist complaints is what work. It worked in Ulster and its slowly working in our Basque country. All the might, number and tech of the american army cant “round up” terorists in Iraq, how can palestinians do that with Hamas?

27. I don’t think murderers deserve their own homeland.

    I think you’ve hit on the best argumet for denying the Palestinians Jack-šhìŧ. Why reward them? Why encourage others to follow their example?

    The only answer that makes sense to me is one that others have raised: having a Palestine gives Israel something to bomb, if (actually, when) they prove unable to actually run a country and go right back to attacking Israel.

28. Peter, I agree with you here. I hope I’m wrong, but I fear the end result is going to be more aggression against Israel. The only possible good I can see is that perhaps Israel will be less willing to concede next time.

    Try to tell that to the people who lost their homes though.

    I hope that if it does come to war, that Israel will be able to count on US support.

    -Scott Hughey

29. Unfortunately Peter, you might be right. From AP wire today:
    B>Shadowy Hamas bombmaker makes first public appearance since early

    1990s
    GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — A shadowy Hamas bombmaker who tops Israel’s most-wanted list on Saturday issued his first videotaped statement since going into hiding more than a decade ago.
    Mohammed Deif praised Israel’s withdrawal from the Gaza Strip as a victory for armed resistance, rejected calls for his group to disarm, and vowed to continue attacks on Israel until the Jewish state is erased from the map.
    Deif, who has escaped three Israeli attempts to kill him, has been living underground since 1992. He is so shadowy that the most recent photograph of him is from the 1980s.

30. El Hombre wrote PAD: You saying that all the palestinians want is to kill jews equals to, say, an iraqui saying all americans want is to kill arabs, wich obviously is not true. You take what a group of palestinians do and turn it into what they all do.

    That’s not a very fair interpretation of PAD’s statement. I think it’s much more accurate to interpret his position being that, if the Palestinians don’t want to be associated with the murderers claiming to act in their name, then perhaps they should do something to publicly disassociate themselves from those murderers. The absence of a meaningful peace movement in the Palestinian Authority does tend to imply that the Palestinians largely support the terrorists, or are at least neutral. And it’s hard to care much about the fate of people who are themselves sympathetic to, neutral toward, or willing to accept benefits from, terrorists.

    I agree with PAD on this one.

31. Good after noon sir/Madam
    I would like to say that first we have to trained wommen against terrorism with martial arts and others physical exercise.
    Now a days we see people arrogant of others thought but in Arbian countries is being trained but not in USA, ASIA, UK and other europeans countries.
    MOst important thing is that when we made the technology against terrorism so must used do not wait for time.
    We need to stop the fluctuation mind being held every minute in human mind, means creativity, practial reports, automatic world.
    people are good enough to run but not for enemies.
    New Delhi
    India

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