May 13, 2004

COWBOY PETE'S TV ROUND-UP, Part One--Smallville, Angel

Saddle up, kiddies. I'm back to being timely just in time to see the shows go away. Spoilers abound. Come for the political bloodletting, stay for the round-up.

SMALLVILLE—Lana’s creepy cloned childhood friend, Emily, returns, having essentially been transformed into the Flash (she moves at high speed and vibrates through solid objects) and with a big ol’ Single Nut Female fixation on our heroine. Clark resolves to tell Lana his secret, and Pete Ross suddenly finds himself wishing that the writers would go back to ignoring him as they did much of the season. Meanwhile there’s more twists and turns in the Lex/Lionel/FBI investigation storyline than you’ll find in a bag of pretzels. We even learn that a plot element from an earlier episode which was apparently wasted was, in fact, not wasted and turned out to play a major part.

First of all, kudos to the actress playing Emily. She does the creepiest thing with her eyes since Bill Mumy started sending people to the cornfield (she also reminded in several places of Hugh Jackman getting feral as Wolverine.) Whenever she was on screen you simply couldn’t look away. Her departure from the episode wasn’t handled especially well (“Smallville” likes to wrap the freak of the week by the third act break and reserve the fourth act for anticlimactic character sequences) and Clark’s reasoning as to why she didn’t present a continuing threat wouldn’t exactly blow sunshine up my skirts if I were Lana. But that’s a small price to pay in order to get to the fourth act developments, including the dynamic scene with Clark and Pete. An early sequence showing them back at playing basketball leads you to think that their difficulties have been smoothed over. Nope. Just driven below the surface, but they explode big time in a surprising revelation (one that we can only hope plot developments will negate.) And the final smackdown power play between Lex and Lionel is the most fascinating development of the season, one which we can only hope will not simply go away in one episode thanks to Lionel’s connections.)

And I am willing to bet that the fascinating blonde we’re being teased about next weekend will have just about any name except “Kara” since there’s a separate Supergirl film in development. ‘Course, I could be wrong. It has happened once or twice.

A very solid episode all around, and lays down intriguing groundwork for next week’s finale.


ANGEL—As Angel appears to be more and more seduced by the lure of power, as represented by the mysterious ring of the Black Thorn, the Fang Gang gets increasingly apprehensive as to what’s up with their boss. Meantime Illyeria discovers the pointlessness of video games and uses it to make a subtle commentary on her existence and then gets the crap kicked out of her (although, honestly, it didn’t look like she was trying real hard…almost as if she wanted to experience what it would be like to be pummeled.) A confrontation between Angel and the boys results in some surprising revelations, and Adam Baldwin glowers as he contemplates being out of work yet again in a Joss Whedon series.

On the one hand, the episode seems to suffer from “Oh, crap, we’re canceled, let’s go out with a bang no matter what” syndrome. I can’t help but feel that what was really supposed to happen was that this season was going to end with setting up some really REALLY major stuff for next season…except, y’know, that ain’t happening. How else to introduce what is essentially the Major Opponent for the season in the second to last episode? The Black Thorn has potential, even if the name does sound too vaguely DC Comics for comfort, but that potential will never be explored because, hey, next week, it’s over. The show business axiom is “Leave ‘em wanting more,” but that kind of jacks up the frustration level when dealing with an episodic adventure.

On the other hand, taking it out of the context of frustration over the show’s woefully premature cancellation (and, really, haven’t many of us suffered at one time or another from premature cancellation?), this was a really good episode. You’re kept wondering what the hell is going on right until the last few minutes, and the explanation and mission laid out sounds pretty damned intriguing. A definite Hail Mary pass for a show on its way out. And hey, two points and a bunch of bananas for all the peterdavid.net denizens who opined that Cordy’s farewell kiss to Angel had something in common with Doyle’s farwell kiss to her. That one slid right past me.

An evil politician. Who’d have guessed such a thing was possible?

PAD

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Posted by: Nacho F. at May 13, 2004 02:21 AM

The best moment of tonight's Angel had to be Illyeria and Durgan discovering the power of video games. I swear this the only show that can pull off a gag like that.

I know this is a little off topic, but seeing as how "Supergirl" might be on Smallville next week, I was wondering what happened to her in the comic books. I haven't kept up with DC since the Death and Return of Superman and I was wondering what happened to the Supergirl who was around then, the one in love with Luthor. It wasn't her that PAD wrote a series for, so I was just wondering if they killed her off or something. Thanks if anyone can answer this.

Posted by: Peter David at May 13, 2004 02:30 AM

"I haven't kept up with DC since the Death and Return of Superman and I was wondering what happened to the Supergirl who was around then, the one in love with Luthor. It wasn't her that PAD wrote a series for, so I was just wondering if they killed her off or something. Thanks if anyone can answer this."

Well, if you HAD kept up with it, you would have known that she WAS the Supergirl I wrote the series about. Granted, things changed, but it was certainly her, at least to start out. The series ran for six years. It had lots of good stuff in it. A shame you missed it.

Oh: Read "Fallen Angel." It's even better.

PAD


Posted by: Glenn Hauman at May 13, 2004 02:40 AM

An evil politician. Who’d have guessed such a thing was possible?

A demon inhabiting an evil female senator with a name beginning in H who expects to be president in 2008? Too implausible.

Posted by: Sean Whitmore at May 13, 2004 02:41 AM

I disgree, PAD, I'm positive the blonde WILL be called Kara. First of all, it would tie in nicely to Kara's reintroduction in that Batman/Superman book, since all they do is emulate Smallville these days anyhow. Secondly, a Supergirl movie may well be in development, but so is Iron Man and Ghost Rider and Green Lantern and a billion other properties. By the time we ever see it, Smallville will likely be in reruns on Nick at Nite.


SEAN

Posted by: Joseph at May 13, 2004 03:06 AM

Speaking of “one which we can only hope will not simply go away” and fixing things too easy, I’m sure I missed an episode. How did Lionel get his sight back? Blind for a few weeks, and then I miss a day and he is back to 20/20.

PAD do you have any thoughts you care to share with us about any of the upcoming comic based movies. Hellblazer, Catwoman, Elektra, Batman, etc.

To me Catwoman seems so far off base it might as well be called “The Lawnmower Man.” If you read Stephen King’s story, you will know what I mean.

Posted by: Kurt Onstad at May 13, 2004 03:17 AM

Joseph: Lionel's blindness back in Season 2 was a temporary thing that healed naturally, but Lionel continued letting people believe that he was blind, which he continued to use to guilt Lex and used it in other ways to his advantage, until Lex saw through (no pun intended...) Lionel's game, at which point the facade was dropped.

Posted by: Nacho F. at May 13, 2004 03:53 AM

I sent PAD this post but in case he doesn't recieve it, I wanted to post it here.

I wanted to thank you for responding to my post about what happened to Supergirl. I'm sorry that I never followed that series but I just got back into comics (save Iron Man which I followed through a subscription) a little over a year ago. I do read Captain Marvel and have located as many back issues and trades as I could find. I also have been following Fallen Angel since issue one (the only DC comic I read) and plan to buy the trade even though I own the issues. It's a great series and between your comics, the New Froniter novels, and the Arthur books, your stuff has become a must read. Keep it up and take care.

Posted by: Josh Wilhoyte at May 13, 2004 05:02 AM

I really didn't think Angel could pull off a convincing finale after the herky jerky way the season had gone so far. Still, I absolutely loved the last episode. I can't wait for the craziness that looks to come. My only regret is that Lindsey did turn out to be a bad guy in the end. Of all the characters to not be redeemed, it had to be Lindsey dadgummit. And did they ever establish Lindsey going to jail? Because the last I saw was him with Eve, pretty much helping Angel and Co.

Posted by: Simon DelMonte at May 13, 2004 06:04 AM

Could take or leave much of Smallville, but liked the latest stuff with the Luthors, and loved seeing Emily's Flash-powers move to the next stage. Wonder if mext time we see her she'll have a cosmic treadmill.

Loved Angel. Wondered, though, if the senator was meant not as a comment on Hillary but on one of California's two women senators. (Gotta say that not making one Governor Arnold and W&H joke the whole season was a marvel of restraint.)

Posted by: KIP LEWIS at May 13, 2004 08:20 AM

One question I've had on Smallville is about Lana/Kristin K. Listening to the internet chatter, I get the impression that people think that yo-yo relationship between Lana and Clark needs to stop (and it was nice to see Pete say the same thing), and the trip to France is what's going to put a stop to it. But they speak as if Lana/Kristin isn't coming back next year. Have I missed some rumor about casting for next year?

Posted by: Bladestar at May 13, 2004 08:58 AM

Angel can play cold-blooded despite his soul very well, let's just hope if he does survive next week's bloodbath that he can patch things up with Nina, she hasn't been with Angle as long as the rest of them. Very cold-blooded to sacrifice Captain "Ask me a question and I'll kill you", amazing the timing compared to the release of the Iraqi prisoner abuse photos ("We're only doing what we have to to combat evil")...

Assuming no one has read any spoilers, who of Angel's crew do you think dies next week? Who would you prefer it be?

My wife thinks they're going to off Mr. Alyson Hannigan's character, Wesley, but I'd hate that, as I've really grown to like the little rollercoaster of violence. I HOPE it's Illyria they kill, but it will proably be Gunn, sacrificing himself.

Unless they're swerving us and taking out the Order does get them all killed...

They damn well better not kill Spike. (except for the hair and the vaguely English mannerisms, he'd make a great Wolverine/Lobo type...

Posted by: William at May 13, 2004 09:20 AM

On Angel, I for one thought he made it into the (inner) Black Thorn Circle rather easily. Not a hell of a lot of an initiation or trial by fire. Play racket ball with one demon, help another's political campaign, speed the signing of a few contracts...heck, if that's all it takes, I could be a member of the Black Thorn. Maybe Evil really is just stupid.

Posted by: Paul Anthony Llossas at May 13, 2004 10:14 AM

Pete Ross' character is now akin to the last episode of "Star Trek: Voyager." He gets a great showcase only at the very end. Pete had more character development in one scene than he did in the entirety of his three years on the show. And the subtle "understanding" between Pete and Lex was a great touch. However, it felt rushed and throw in, being part of the fourth act and all. Hope that Pete returns as a recurring character, and used to better effect (unlike Andy McAllister in the late, lamented "Superboy: The Series").

Kruek's not leaving the show. The whole "Paris" thing is a cheap plot development, probably to be resolved by season 4, episode 1.

Posted by: Deano at May 13, 2004 10:49 AM

SMallville:Have not been into the show as much this season .I have liked the last few episodes though.Mostly cause i like Micheal Rosenbaum and his portrayal of Luthor.The peek at next weeks finale looks interesting.Was sad and pleased to see the sequence between Pete and Clark.It would be a bit much to have to maintain the secret with the pressure of Luthor and god knows who else wanting the info on the secret.Just a thought,in the future how would Lex not recognize Clark as
Superman??Since Chloe is involved in the info that Lex uses to hang his Dad is she in danger and how does this affect her??Somehow if she is endangered and put in a witness protection program it would help bring her character back when Clark is an adult in Metropolis.But maybe i am looking to far ahead.
ANGEL:Gotta give props to David on his ability to slip from humor(last week )to the cold Angelus like stuff he did last night.When the whole he killed Fred thing was started up i was floored.It ultimately proved a lie but i was thinking just how far we go to get at the senior partners???After the season when he left Darla and drusilla to slaughter W&H staffers at the party a few years ago just cant always tell.
Loved Lorne and the "lets not turn this conversation into a ass kicking "line.The beatdown Adam Baldwin gave Illyria was pretty bad but i wonder is he that good or was she off her game somehow(maybe Wes ignoring her was throwing her off)
Spike with the insight of her ability to look like Fred is the cruelest power of all,Not a Spike fan but at times he does make brilliant observations.
Next week is the Big Beatdown huh?Should be interesting though i was surprised to see Lorne throw in,not that he is a coward it just he normally is not the aggressive type.Wonder who squares off with who??Who ever takes on Adam Baldwin has there hands full and Spikes enemy is toast.The boy hasnt had a full blown asskicking session in a while where he can just cut loose.As far as who dies im betting on Gunn or Illyria.
She as a last minute sacrifice to save Wes from harm(last bit of Fred left in her saving her man)
Gunn i kinda see as a redemption thing for the whole Fred mess.
As far as PAD "premature cancellation",I have NEVER HAD THAT PROBLEM ,EVER!!!!Oh you said cancellation i thought you said .....:)

Posted by: Steve Leone at May 13, 2004 11:05 AM

On Smallville, the part that was so telling was the whole scene with Pete and Lex. It opened up a few questions for me. How did Lex wind up on a deserted section of docks in time to save Pete? Also, when Lex said to Pete that he wishes Pete could be as loyal to him as Pete was to Clark in protecting him, doen't Pete's lack of a quick response that there is no secret to protect with Clark (as he said with the FBI agent)a big clue for someone like Lex? (Also, which I doubt, but could they be setting up the future when Pete becomes Lex's VP?)

There are rumors floating on the Internet that Kara will be called Grace now and will only say that Kara is her Kryptonian name. Considering that part of the agreement for the series is that they can't show any other Krypotonians this becomes interesting as well.

For those who are worried Kristen K. has a seven year contract and isn't going any where soon. However, it does seem that Lex is determined to cut Clark off from his friends so that the only one left is him.

Posted by: David Hunt at May 13, 2004 11:10 AM

ANGEL: I kinda agree with the surprise over Angel's killing of Drognan. I find it hard to believe that he'd do that to prove a point. Then it occurred to me that Angel seemed to be doing the everything that Illyria said like he was following a script. Okay, he WAS following a script (the writers') but I mean it was like he was following her script. I keep wondering if Illyria was in on the whole thing.

My first impression was that Drognan was tough enough to survive what Angel did to him. Then I decided that the Black Thorns seemed to know too much about Drognan for him to surprise them by surviving what Angel did to him. But what if he and Illyria pulled some kind of switch and that was really her that Angel bit? She could be a deadly surprise in the final confrontation with the Black Thorns. And he did talk about finding a way to make her part of the team.

As to whose head is on the metaphyical chopping-block next week...Jeez but there's a lot of canadates. This season has done a wonderful job of taking away the things that made the characters' lives worth living. Then when they have nothing left to live for, Angel comes along and gives them something worth dying for. Only Angel himself has not had his life destroyed by coming to W&H.

Posted by: Peter David at May 13, 2004 11:12 AM

"PAD do you have any thoughts you care to share with us about any of the upcoming comic based movies. Hellblazer, Catwoman, Elektra, Batman, etc."

Funny story about that.

Years ago, I was on a panel at a convention and the hot topic was the casting of Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne. We panelists were asked what we thought of the Tim Burton/Keaton pairing, and every other panelist reviled it, stating that the "Batman" movie was clearly going to be a massive campy joke.

And then they got to me, and I said, "I actually have no intrinsic problem with it. Tim Burton is a director. Michael Keaton is an actor. Just because they're both known for comedy doesn't mean they can't do justice to what we want to see for Batman and I'm reserving judgment until I actually see the movie on the screen."

It was the only time in my life where I was nearly booed off the stage. The fans felt they knew better, you see. They were certain it was going to be pure comedy, and it was clear they felt I was a traitor for not sharing their beliefs.

Several years later I heard two fans talking about the prospect of a sequel to the wildly successful first film, and one of them said, "I'll tell you one thing, it better be Burton and Keaton or it's gonna suck." "Damned right!" said the other. All I could do was laugh.

Which is a roundabout way of saying that I never have any thoughts on a movie, comic book related or otherwise, until I see it.

PAD

Posted by: Peter David at May 13, 2004 11:15 AM

"Assuming no one has read any spoilers, who of Angel's crew do you think dies next week? Who would you prefer it be?"

I'd prefer it be none of them. My guess? Gunn and/or Lorne.

PAD

Posted by: Ham at May 13, 2004 11:20 AM

Lorne? Really? What makes you guess that?

I admit, that would be a shocker.

Posted by: Peter David at May 13, 2004 11:22 AM

"It opened up a few questions for me. How did Lex wind up on a deserted section of docks in time to save Pete?"

That's a can of worms you really don't wanna open. But since you have...

You'll find, if you really pay attention, that movies and television are often told in a sort of visual shorthand. People show up unexpectedly in places that there's no real logical way for them to have gotten there. But the audience doesn't care because it's a dramatic visual. "It's Lex! Oh, thank God!" Most of the time, no explanation is forthcoming.

I notice it more than many other folks, not because I'm somehow infinitely superior, but because in novelizing screenplays I become keenly aware of just how often visual storytelling depends upon (as the Church Lady said) con-veeen-ience. In those instances, I come up with logical story reasons as to how and why someone managed to show up at just the right time to keep the story going or provide for a dramatic entrance. But audiences really, for the most part, don't care. They're so content to keep the story visually moving that they don't dwell on anything that could slow it down.

Try it some time. Start really asking yourself, in watching movies and TV, Was this entrance set up properly, or did the guy/girl just appear with stupendous dramatic timing?

PAD

Posted by: Peter David at May 13, 2004 11:30 AM

"Lorne? Really? What makes you guess that?"

Because he hasn't had a decent storyline all year.

I'm working it this way in my head:

Spike? They already played a Death of Spike beat, so no.

Illyria? They already played a Death of Fred beat, so no.

Wes? Possible, but because of his background, still the most versatile character in the group and one they wouldn't want to close the door on for possible future films, so no.

Gunn? They've done a lot with him character wise, but at heart he's a fighter, and they might want to have him go down fighting. 50/50.

Lorne? They haven't known what to do with him since they joined up with W&H. Which is no knock intended on Andy, who I think is a great guy and a really good actor. But I'm thinking he's toast.

Again, I'm merely spitballing here. I'm sure they'll try to shock people with the outcome, which may very well mean they play against logic. But from simply taking a cold look at the characters, how they've been handled, and their potential, that's the call I'd make.

PAD

Posted by: Eric Minton at May 13, 2004 11:38 AM

PAD, what about the possibility of Angel himself dying? You don't have him on your list.

- Eric

Posted by: Georges at May 13, 2004 12:39 PM

Curse the internet and also my lack of will power. I found the entire ending on this other website. I'll come back and check your thoughts on it when the show actually airs. It's a nice ending tho.

Oh and by the way, I'm Georges.

Posted by: John C. Bunnell at May 13, 2004 12:45 PM

Smallville: For all that Kristin Kreuk may not appear to be Going Anywhere, it seems to me that they've gone too far with the storyline to unwrite her art-student exit completely.

Unless they do what they did not do this week, in which case it's likely that Pete will in fact be gone next season. Namely, Lana finds out Clark's secret (and I would lay odds on it being "finds out" rather than Clark telling her). That would put the Clark/Lana relationship -- and also the Lana/Chloe relationship -- on a very different footing next season. And having Lana by herself assume the story functions now split between Lana and Pete would make some sense as well; I like Sam Jones III, but they've been having trouble developing that character consistently since Day One.

Angel: I think Wesley will survive next week's purge for much the same reason PAD gives -- he's got too much spinoff/sequel potential.

OTOH, I think Gunn's been apparently killed/disabled too often this season, so I think he'll survive as well.

Lorne as toast is a distinct possibility. But PAD misses, I think, the absolute most likely candidate for toasting....

Harmony. Who has been with the franchise just about since Day One back on Buffy, and who's had the dubious distinction of being promoted to front-credit status these last few weeks. That last is a very Joss-like bit of fake-out; make the character's status look more permanent, then toast them.

Posted by: David Serchay at May 13, 2004 01:31 PM

You'll find, if you really pay attention, that movies and television are often told in a sort of visual shorthand. People show up unexpectedly in places that there's no real logical way for them to have gotten there. But the audience doesn't care because it's a dramatic visual. "It's Lex! Oh, thank God!" Most of the time, no explanation is forthcoming.

-----------------------------------

I've always wondered why Lex/Lionel are always surprised to see someone walk in to a room at thier place. You'd think the butler or whoever would call up and announce them. It seems anyone can just stroll into the Luthor place.

David

"Crash Bandicoot?"

Posted by: Jerome Maida at May 13, 2004 01:53 PM

SMALLVILLE: See, I actualy saw the Pete-Clark stuff as one big waste/cop-out. Despite everything that's happened the last few years, Pete tells Clark that although it's tough, in a way it's cool because "no one ever trusted me that much before". Then, he gets roughed up a bit, and it's "always" been too much to bear? And despite having his bacon saved by Lex, Pete STILL doesn't trust him or even THANK him? Geez.
Also, that is the sole compass clark uses on whether to tell Lana? how Pete feels? Boy has some serious growing up to do. The "Lana might constantly be in danger" angle might actually be an effective rationale for his not telling her if she wasn't, you know, constantly in danger.

Posted by: Jerome Maida at May 13, 2004 01:56 PM

PAD,
Your "supergirl" series ran for nearly SEVEN years. Just to give you a bit more props.

Posted by: Jerome Maida at May 13, 2004 02:02 PM

Everyone,
Last week, I had the pleasure of interviewing Joss Whedon, who spoke about future plans for "Angel" and "Buffy", spinoffs, the "Firefly" movie, plans for "Fray", his "X-Men" book, writing and directing a Marvel movie, and lots of other cool stuff.
If you would like a full transcript, including a lot of cool stuff that won't make the story, simply e-mail me at jeromemaida@hotmail.com, request it, and I'll be glad to send it to you.

Posted by: pgavigan at May 13, 2004 02:02 PM

Just finished reading a interview DB at the TV Guide site. Part of it had been quoted earlier stating that he would again play Angel should the story be "something special". Just added was his earlier response of a very definite "No."

Keeping in mind Sean Connery said much the same thing until his career needed a bit of a boost we should possibly take this with a grain of salt. But as JM also pointed out in his interview at TV Guide, "the clock is ticking", and he doesn't feel that he could believably play the never aging Spike after a five year window passes. So both actors have a definite sell by date on them for Mutant Enemy and most of the rest of the cast, both Buffy and Angel, do not.

It would be an interesting way to end the series, but I really hope they don't do it.

At any rate, the series will deserve it's legacy as a truly fine piece of entertainment.

Posted by: Joey at May 13, 2004 02:07 PM

Smallville: GAHHH! How can anyone handle the stupidity of this show, specifically with reference to the Clark/Lana relationship? What is this, the 100th time Lana is about to find out about Clark's secret and Clark decides against it because it would put Lana in danger? Uh... she's already in danger all the time. I mean, they even refer to the yo-yo effect of their relationship and they still use stupid dumb-ass plot devices to keep the truth from Lana.

I think they have two different sets of writers: one for the Lex/Lionel stuff and another for all the rest, especially the saccharine attack Jonathan/Clark moments. It's like Charmed: this show has SO much potential but it's being written for 12-year-olds (the really dumb kind, that is)! It's disgusting that it has such a huge following when there are any number of shows which are just as interesting and, despite being sci-fi/fantasy, are FAR more realistic in their portrayal of character interaction and plot development than Smallville. It's like the show's writers are constantly battling to avoid anything sensible happening. Every time something sensible happens, it has to be wiped out by the end of the episode.

I know, I know: why am I still watching it then? Because it does have flashes of brilliance and I'm an optimist, okay? But this is not a good show for an optimist to watch.

Posted by: insideman at May 13, 2004 02:19 PM

ANGEL:

NOT having read ANY spoilers this season (I'm very proud of myself)-- here's my take on what will happen next week:

I feel very strongly that Wesley will die.

I think that Fred's soul/mannerisms will become even more prevalent "in" Illyria... Or their souls/essences will prove to be VERY strongly intermingled.

In short, Fred will look like Illyria and still have the superhuman powers-- but be more like Fred. I believe this will be revealed and...

...then Wesley will die (probably saving Fred/Illyria).

It's the Whedon way. Life as the ultimate sacrifice for love.

Of course, it is also the Whedon way to bring dead characters back to life at the drop of a hat (or the insistence of a network)-- so those worrying about a possible Wesley death ruining any "spin-off potential"... Don't worry about it. Death in the Whedon universe normally means a few weeks well deserved off for the actor so he or she can take a much needed Cabo vacation. (And wasn't Wesley "spun-off" once already? Would 3 different regular series roles-- not temporary guest spots-- be a record for a TV character?!?)

Of course, this SERIES CANCELLATION thingy has a much more PERMANENT ring to it... and might prove to be the BIGGEST "Bad" of them all...

Posted by: insideman at May 13, 2004 02:22 PM

And, I've mentioned this before (and I'll keep mentioning it until the contracts are signed one way or the other)...

I 'm hoping that ANGEL's untimely cancellation means that Fox is strongly considering Alexis Denisof as REED RICHARDS for FF movie!

Posted by: Jerome Maida at May 13, 2004 04:35 PM

Joseph,
Since you are interested in comic book movies, I thought I would add my two cents, especially since I have some insight.
Regarding CATWOMAN, I have a very strong feeling it is going to be unwatchable. I say this for the following reasons:
1.) It is a DC project, and their track record in regard to their properties has been abysmal. The last two Superman movies, "Batman and Robin", "Birds of Prey", etc. "Smallville" looks like the greatest TV show of all time compared to that stuff.
2.) I just had misgivings about the project, even when Ashley Judd was still attached. They want to use the "Catwoman" name but it's not really "Catwoman"? Which brings me to...
3.) DC just has no respect for their characters. They're always trying to change what makes their characters work in the first place. Some of the horrific ideas bandied about for the "Superman" movie - Lex Luthor is from Krypton, for example - prove the point.
4.) The costume looks ridiculous. The fact that they felt this was more "urban, edgy and sexy" has me guffawing. The headpiece alone is an abomination. When I first saw the still of her in costume in Wizard (with them gushingly telling us how hot she looked. Gee, they were hyping something, what a surprise), my thought wasn't, "Wow! Halle looks hot! (and trust me, that's a thought I usually have!) My thought was "Ohmygod, she looks absolutely ridiculous!
5.) Halle has been quoted by one source I picked up as being "really embarrassed by it". Which could be dismissed if not for the fact...
6.) She is doing almost zero publicity for it. She missed last month's film industry convention ShoWest - even though she was supposed to be honored as Female Star of the Year - presumably because she did not want to have to answer questions about the film.
Closer to home, I was suposed to find out about a "Catwoman" junket by now to promote the film, yet the studio contact has said they are still not sure of the date, which is very odd at this late date - if it's a movie a studio believes in they usually make a conscious effort to make their junkets known way in advance, to generate buzz early and avoid potential scheduling conflicts - particularly with competing junkets - for the press.

As for Marvel, while I wouldn't describe all their films as awesome, they at least seem to have a plan. It starts at the top, with Avi Arad, who realy seems to care about the characters and wants them done right. And he generally gets people who have a love for the material to direct and act in them. Bryan Snger has taled about "X-Men FOUR" already. james marsters has taled about doing five films. hugh jackman enjoys doing Wolverine. Halle Berry really likes playing Storm. Patrick Stewart excitedly talks about the "X-Men franchise. Tom Cruise WANTS to play Iron Man. Wesley Snipes enjoys Blade and WANTS to lay Black Panther. And there is already talk about doing at least SIX Spider-Man films, not to mention Thomas Jane ready to go on a "Punisher" sequel and Jennifer Garner describing Elektra as empowering.
There is a lot of energy and passion at Marvel Studios. Even when they miss the mark, they rarely embarrass themselves.

Posted by: SER at May 13, 2004 04:44 PM

SMALLVILLE: Has anyone noticed how people will pop up in other people's homes (the Kent farm or the Luthor mansion) to essentially say a couple lines of dialogue and then leave? Who takes a five-mile drive just to say something in person that would probably work just as well in e-mail or over the phone?

Posted by: Jonathan (the other one) at May 13, 2004 04:52 PM

"Wesley Snipes... WANTS to lay Black Panther."

I guess that role in "To Wong Foo" was a little closer to Wesley than we'd like to think... ;)

Posted by: Jerome Maida at May 13, 2004 05:14 PM

Jonathan (The Other One),
Oops! Sliiight keyboard malfunction there:) Obviously, he wants to PLAY "Black Panther".
Glad I was able to post something to make you smile, though:)
I got achuckle upon rereading it myself.

Posted by: James@37 at May 13, 2004 05:27 PM

PAD,

Your Supergirl series ran for nearly seven years and it ROCKED. As for the 'Ville, as much as I dig the idea of Kara turning up on next week's show, the "Adam Knight" fake-out has taught me not to get my hopes up. Adam Knight...yeesh!

As for next week's 'Angel', my primary concern is that it gives Amy Acker another chance to amaze. Oh, how they all laughed at me at the academy when I said that the whole death-of-Fred thing was a parting gift to Acker in the form of an opportunity demonstrate serious acting chops. No offense, Fred-fans, but if this is what killing her leads to, than she should've been wacked ages ago.

By the way, here's how it all ends, seriously. The entire cast is transformed into wee puppet men by the Ring of the Black Thorn and transported to a run-down old theater, wherein they are forced to put on a variety show for all eternity while two W & H senior partners---Stadler and Woldorf--mock them from the balcony. They are eventually rescued by Cordelia, who leads them to safety in an invisible plane or a wonderdome or whatever the hell she gets around in these days...

Posted by: Gorginfoogle at May 13, 2004 05:29 PM

I think another very real possibility is Angel himself dying. After all, ever since the finale of season 1 we've been told that he'll save the world and regain his humanity, so maybe he'll just die and then come back as a human, like Spike almost did.

Posted by: insideman at May 13, 2004 05:43 PM

Which is absolutely a possibility Gorginfoogle--

Except the promo voiceover said (paraphrasing): Angel will lose someone close to him... or a member of his team-- whatever.

The only "persons" (or personas) Angel can lose himself are "Angel" or "Angelus"-- and I doubt the promo meant he'll lose either.

Posted by: David Hunt at May 13, 2004 06:04 PM

"By the way, here's how it all ends, seriously. The entire cast is transformed into wee puppet men by the Ring of the Black Thorn and transported to a run-down old theater, wherein they are forced to put on a variety show for all eternity while two W & H senior partners---Stadler and Woldorf--mock them from the balcony. They are eventually rescued by Cordelia, who leads them to safety in an invisible plane or a wonderdome or whatever the hell she gets around in these days..."

If Cordelia shows up "dressed" like she is in her Playboy pictorial then I'm on board. It makes perfect sense when you think about it. Invisible Plane, Invisible Clothes...

Posted by: EClark1849 at May 13, 2004 06:21 PM

You'll find, if you really pay attention, that movies and television are often told in a sort of visual shorthand. People show up unexpectedly in places that there's no real logical way for them to have gotten there. But the audience doesn't care because it's a dramatic visual. "It's Lex! Oh, thank God!" Most of the time, no explanation is forthcoming.

They're taught to do that, but usually there should be a set up earlier on that results in the payoff. I can't comment on whether there was last night or not because I was flipping channels between Smallville, and Enterprise.

I notice it more than many other folks, not because I'm somehow infinitely superior, but because in novelizing screenplays I become keenly aware of just how often visual storytelling depends upon (as the Church Lady said) con-veeen-ience.

I think it has more to do with time constraints. It's only so much you can do within 44 minutes when you're talking about an hour-long tv show, so yeah, some shortcuts are made. And as I'm sure you know, PAD, what a scriptwriter writes may not even make it to the screen. That's the director's call.

Posted by: KIP LEWIS at May 13, 2004 06:34 PM

Smallville: GAHHH! How can anyone handle the stupidity of this show, specifically with reference to the Clark/Lana relationship? What is this, the 100th time Lana is about to find out about Clark's secret and Clark decides against it because it would put Lana in danger? Uh... she's already in danger all the time. I mean, they even refer to the yo-yo effect of their relationship and they still use stupid dumb-ass plot devices to keep the truth from Lana.

I think the writers are afraid of falling into a very old, but prevelent problem in serial TV fiction: when the 2 main characters get together, it's usually the death keal for the series. So, they're purposely trying to keep up the tension, only it didn't work.

I think it didn't work, because it became Lana pursuing a resistant Clark. When Lana resisted Clark, it made sense. He wasn't open with her and women tend not to like that. But the idea that Clark became resistant doesn't work. Yeah, a few episodes about his feeling guilty about running away last summer would fit, but this year long "I'm afraid you'll get hurt", doesn't work. As people said, she gets in enough life-threatening situations as it is. In fact, knowing Clark's secret would probably be a safer thing for her, because when the "freak of the week" has the "infautation of the week" she knows immediately to go to Clark.

Posted by: Shortdawg at May 13, 2004 08:40 PM

While a big fan of most "Angel" eps this season, I thought this one was fairly weak for our penultimate adventure. Angel's reasoning just seemed real murky to me, and all the other characters did was pretty much react to this murky reasoning. Makes me slightly leery of the final ep, but I still have high hopes that the conclusion will be something incredible. "Smallville," in contrast, has had a relatively meandering season this year and yet this ep was, indeed, one of the best. Nice to see the honest emotion between Clark and Pete at the end and, PAD is right, clone chick was CREEPY. I imagine the image we'll be left with as next week's cliffhanger will be something along the lines of Clark and (not)Kara floating toward the stars. As cliffhangers go, they could definitely do worse.

Posted by: SER at May 13, 2004 10:27 PM

I think the writers are afraid of falling into a very old, but prevelent problem in serial TV fiction: when the 2 main characters get together, it's usually the death keal for the series. So, they're purposely trying to keep up the tension, only it didn't work.
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Internal tension (the problems all young couples have) is difficult to depict well on TV -- not impossible but difficult. Even CHEERS had to find a physical obstacle to keep things moving (his spinoff just ended tonight).

There's no logical reason for Clark to put Lana off. As everyone points out, she's always in trouble -- and it usually has nothing to do with Clark (her stalkers of the week). Clark is a positive element in her life because he keeps saving it. That's why I lost all interest in her when she did her "you're too dangerous to be around" nonsense. I completely bought Pete deciding to leave Smallville because, unlike Lana, he isn't constantly menaced by FOTW. Clark's friendship can easily appear to do more harm than good as far as he's concerned.

What puzzles me is that no one mentions one of the rational reasons for Clark not telling Lana the truth -- he's partially responsible for her parents' death. Surely that would have an impact. I'm surprised they dropped that plotline.

Also, it would be nice for Clark to have a real rival -- not a nutcase like Adam or a cipher like Whitney. Whitney always looked more like the Pete Ross of the comics. I sort of wish they'd cast him and made him sympathetic -- not a dumb jock but a decent kid who was friends with Clark. So, then you have the perfect triangle -- Clark loves Lana who loves Clark's best friend. Whitney's actions in the pilot made it impossible to sympathize with him, which was dubious character development considering our sympathies were already going to be with Clark.

Lex is an interesting rival idea but Lana is still jailbait. The previews for next season make it seem like Lex might break his first law with Lana but I think that would really be disastrous if they pursued it.

Ultimately, I think it was a mistake for them to *ever* put Clark and Lana together. As long as Lana was the unattainable girl whom Clark adored from afar but could never even approach (I thought the kryptonite necklace was a cute idea), it didn't matter if Tom Welling was in reality model gorgeous, every comic book fan in the world felt his plight. Once it became "I'm too mysterious to be with the woman who wants me so bad," well, that was tougher to identify with that the guy who can leap tall buildings in a single bound.

Posted by: suncat at May 14, 2004 12:12 AM

Jerome Maida: "Halle Berry really likes playing Storm."

Um, from what I've read (and heard and seen), Halle Berry HATED playing Storm. Thought the role to be a waste of her Oscar(tm)-calibre talent. She was especially pissed off that she got so little face time in X2, from what I've read.

I remember this because I loved her scenes with Alan Cummings as Kurt Wagner and was pissed at her for not recongizing them for the wonderful opportunities to shine which they were.

Please point out a link which proves this wrong (preferably not promotional material, which will be lies padded with deceit). I'd love to see her as Storm for the rest of the X-films, as I actually thought she did a pretty good job of it in spite of her nasty attitude. I'd like to see something acknowledging how good X2 was and not bitching about her Oscar going to waste (like Catwoman and that James Bond flick were frickin' Ibsen or something).

Posted by: Lee Houston, Junior at May 14, 2004 12:58 AM

JOSEPH posted wa-ay back at the beginning of this: "To me, Catwoman seems so off base it might as well be called 'The Lawnmower Man'. If you read the Stephen King story, you know what I mean."
To me, a more striking difference can be found between the book and movie version's of King's "The Running Man'. Having reading one and seeing the other, the movie was far superior and more entertaining than the book.
As to Catwoman(?):The Movie, I'll wait till I actually see it before I pass judgement on its merits. After all, Birds of Prey was closer to the original Earth-2 (JSA) and Earth-1 (J. L. of A) canon than the current post-crisis/zero hour continuity, but that did not keep me from enjoying the series.

Posted by: Travis at May 14, 2004 01:16 AM

From ComicsContinuum

Things come to a head in Smallville when Kara, a beautiful girl (guest star Adrianne Palicki) with superpowers, who claims to be from Krypton, comes to entice Clark (Tom Welling) to fulfill his destiny. Overwhelmed, Clark turns to his parents (John Schneider, Annette O'Toole) for advice but is shocked when Kara forces Jonathan to finally reveal the deal he made with Jor-El. Also, Clark makes a discovery that ultimately redefines his relationship with Lex (Michael Rosenbaum), and Clark's relationship with Lana (Kristin Kreuk) takes a final turn."

So it is Kara

I show my disdain for the show by not saying anything besides that.

Travis

Posted by: Thomas E. Reed at May 14, 2004 03:08 AM

In theory, Mr. David is right; it's wrong to judge a film solely on rumors or speculation about whether one of the talents is "right" for the role.

But by the time a trailer is out - mind you, a trailer made from the actual movie - there ought to be sufficient indication for a preliminary guess.

I was unwilling to say anything about the "Catwoman" film until I saw the trailer. Now, I have to agree that the movie won't be good. They didn't have a stentorian-voiced announcer saying "In a world...", but they used similar words in the titles splashed on the screen with the anonymous action footage. An almost certain invitation to Joel, Mike and the Bots.

Posted by: twnspn at May 14, 2004 03:31 AM

Something to think about, and this may just be in my area of the US, but the WB network has started advertising the final episode of "Angel" as "The WB Series Finally of Angel", rather than just stating it is a series finally. This is also what they did when "Buffy" jumped to UPN. Could this mean that there is still hope for “Angel” to be resurrected?

Posted by: KIP LEWIS at May 14, 2004 06:59 AM

Ultimately, I think it was a mistake for them to *ever* put Clark and Lana together. As long as Lana was the unattainable girl whom Clark adored from afar but could never even approach (I thought the kryptonite necklace was a cute idea), it didn't matter if Tom Welling was in reality model gorgeous, every comic book fan in the world felt his plight. Once it became "I'm too mysterious to be with the woman who wants me so bad," well, that was tougher to identify with that the guy who can leap tall buildings in a single bound.

I think they should have come together this year. Last year nicely put them together and they should have gotten over that summer bump in the relationship and then moved on to other storylines, including stories about other aspects of their relationship. Why? Because according to the comics (which I realize the series isn't faithful to), Lana is his high school girl-friend and he only has one year left.

The only catch I see in this, is that Clark would have to reveal his true identity to her and then we have Clark with 2 friends who know. I'm not sure that would work as well.

Posted by: Blackjack Mulligan at May 14, 2004 07:58 AM

Regarding Smallville, one thing that I don't think was really addressed was that Pete's beating would have happened whether or not he knew Clark's secret. If I recall, it was a fishing expedition based on his friendship with Clark. If Clark had never told him, it still would have happened. But then, poor Pete wouldn't have had any idea why he was getting the heck beaten out of him.

Posted by: Deano at May 14, 2004 08:20 AM

PAD made a comment about the differences between
Dc and Marvel characters that is dead on.Marvel comics movies try to stay true to the characters.
Granted there is the occasional stumble,casting Affleck as Daredevil being one.Even the stumbles arent bad ,We got Jennifer Garner as Elektra (mm
mm good)from Daredevil.
This is a total change from years ago when Marvel
movies were dreadful.(Punisher one ,Captain America)
DC started strong (Superman,Batman)then faded ,may Joel schumacher rot in hell.Who approved the script for superman 3&4????Ugh?
Kevin smith has a very funny story about the script and casting things he got about his Superman script.
As far as Halle berry bitching about a movie being below her talents:
1.She still cashed the checks
2Why didnt she get the award until she got naked?
Not slamming her on the nudity just an observation as soon the boobies come out she gets all this attention.Says more about the society around us than her .
Somewhat related i find it cool that James mmarsters would like do more Spike stuff but realizes age is a limiting factor on the role.Even Boreanaz hasnt completely written it off he just appears to not want to get pigeonholed
but im sure if the situation ,money is write he would return.
BTW is any out there watching Amy acker and Alexis Denisof ???Somebody give these two a part on a show or movie somewhwere.
As far people speculating on Lorne being a goner
No Way !!Lorne rules !!! They cant kill the Green Guy.

Posted by: Kathleen at May 14, 2004 08:40 AM

Well apparently (with no real conformation) there is a Angel TV movie in the works. I don't know if this is fan speculation or reality.

Posted by: Jonathan (the other one) at May 14, 2004 09:07 AM

Sadly, I missed Halle Berry's appearance at ComicCon last year (it was concurrent with the ElfQuest 25th Anniversary symposium, and one must have priorities, after all, mustn't one?). However, my wife was working that conference room, as a volunteer, and reports that Halle's only complaint about X2 was the lack of screen time - she thinks (and I agree) that a character as important to the whole "X-Men" mythos as Storm should not be relegated to the background. Here's hoping she gets a bigger part in X3 - Storm was supposed to be a good friend of Phoenix's, after all...

About Elektra - I guess I was the only person who thought Marvel hung Elektra out to dry in the "Daredevil" movie. She trains with a different sensei every year, starting at the age of 5, yet one Irishman whose only combat technique is amazing aim can take her out in ten seconds of combat, during which she can't land even *one* effective blow?? If I were her, I'd be looking for twenty years of refunds...

Posted by: eclark1849 at May 14, 2004 09:15 AM

As far as Halle berry bitching about a movie being below her talents:
1.She still cashed the checks
2Why didnt she get the award until she got naked?

Umm... cause she's black?
I know most people don't want to admit it, but Hollywierd is still very prejudiced despite the fact that they're liberals. Remember when Jesse Jackson protested them? They sent out Whoopi Goldberg and Danny Glover to talk to him. Jesse went away. A couple of years later, Halle wins an special Oscar for all the black women who never won one before. Now, next to Denzel, she's the hottest black actor in Hollywierd.

Posted by: Travis at May 14, 2004 09:54 AM

Well apparently (with no real conformation) there is a Angel TV movie in the works. I don't know if this is fan speculation or reality.

Well, according to Mercedes McNabb, in an interview I heard, no one has signed a contract or anything.
And last night on the Best Damn Sports Show Period, Boreanaz was on. And his hair was died orange... (redhead orange).... if they were doing a movie, don't you think he'd keep it his regular color?


Travis

Posted by: John Mosby at May 14, 2004 10:37 AM

>>Well apparently (with no real conformation) there is a Angel TV movie in the works. I don't know if this is fan speculation or reality.

Nope. Sadly not. David Boreanaz has said he's glad to leave the role and won't be rushing back to play him anytime in the forseeable future. Also, I recently did an interview with many of the writers/producers etc at Mutant Enemy and they confirmed that they don't expect any TV-movie deal to go through. 'fraid it was just the WB trying to placate the masses.

John

Posted by: Sharon at May 14, 2004 12:26 PM

Smallville: I noticed that many "fans" of the show are more fans of the Luthors than Clark. Not surprising really. I find the Luthors more interesting than any of the other characters. Chloe i like next, but i find Clark offensive. He uses people all the time. Especially Lex, Chloe and Pete. From what i have seen (i have watched the whole blame thing including the good and the bad), his parents don't mind if someone's brain is fried as long as Clark's secret isn't out. This is what teaches him to be a hero? That is the the fellow going to grow up to be superman? Definitely not like the comic universe. I have more easier of a time finding Lex being the hero in that universe. I have scary visions of Lex and Lana getting together in the next season. God i hope not. Between her being stomped by the horse, her going to Paris was the next best news from the show. Leave her there!

Angel: You can watch the trailer for the next episode and figure out which character is going to die. I just hope they keep Illyria. She's a hoot. I find her more interesting than Fred who seemed a weak version of Willow in many ways. Now i have to listen to my husband who hated the Angel series before this season whine that it is ending. He loves Spike and Angel's bickering and Illyria storyline. Sad that the last season gets so good to get him into the whedon universe just to have it cancelled. I think he believes it was done to spite him, but that is paranoia. They did it to spite me. Yep.

Posted by: Julio Diaz at May 14, 2004 02:04 PM

Deano posted:

Why didnt she [Halle Berry] get the award until she got naked? Not slamming her on the nudity just an observation as soon the boobies come out she gets all this attention.

If that were the case, she'd have won the Oscar for Swordfish, in which she also got naked, and which predated Monster's Ball. It wasn't just the nudity.

And folks tend to forget that Ms. Berry also won an Emmy and a Golden Globe for the telefilm Introducing Dorothy Dandridge before any of this. She is a very good actress, she just doesn't always show the best judgement in choosing scripts (or, apparently, men, but that's neother here nor there).

Posted by: Jerome Maida at May 14, 2004 03:50 PM

David Hunt,
That WAS a great pictorial of Charisma Carpenter, wasn't it?

Posted by: Jerome Maida at May 14, 2004 04:06 PM

suncat,
I have read that Halle Berry enjoys playing Storm from multiple sources. She enjoys the CHARACTER. the reason she gets bitchy is because she's part of an ensemble and "doesn't get enough to do".
Knowing this, I asked Avi Arad recently if it then wouldn't be a no-brainer to "give her more to do" by making a "Storm" film. Berry could definitelt carry such a film, and it would give the X-franchise an opportunity to spotlight some new blood in the sequels. He seemed to agree that it would be a good idea, as would a "Wolverine" film. I talked to berry's publicist/agent a while back, and she seemed slightly excited by the idea.

Posted by: Den at May 14, 2004 04:11 PM

He seemed to agree that it would be a good idea, as would a "Wolverine" film.

I thought X-men I and II were Wolverine films.

I'm not a big fan of Halle Berry, but she does have a point about her role being small. If she was a moron with kewl metal claws, then she would have been the star.

Posted by: Jerome Maida at May 14, 2004 04:20 PM

Deano,
I like a lot of what you have to say, but I feel you are giving Halle a bum rap. As stated previously, if it were only about the boobies, she would be nominated for the atrocious "Swordfish" as well.
Do I think she's a GREAT actress. No. But she's at least as good as some of the others who have won the award, especially recently.
How about abetter question: How the hell can pacino not win for "The Godfather;PartII", "Serpico", "Dog Day Afternoon" or even "...And Justice For All" but FINALLY wins for an over-the-top, lousy character/performance in "Scent of Woman" (which wound up robbing Denzel for "Malcolm X"?
Answer: The Academy is a screwed up, nepotistic, extremely political institution.

Posted by: Jerome Maida at May 14, 2004 04:24 PM

Den,
Now, there's no need for insults. BTW, who do you feel is a moron? The Wolverine character, or Hugh Jackman? "Cause I like 'em both.

Posted by: Jonathan (the other one) at May 14, 2004 04:31 PM

No, the mental midget in the X-flicks would have to be Cyke. I mean, given that his unshielded eyes could slaughter a roomful of baselines in seconds, would it really take that much forethought to ensure that his visor couldn't be removed by being licked with a very long tongue? And how much more obvious did that Magneto-jailbreak sequence have to be, anyway? I sure hope the Wizard gives him a brain before X3...

Posted by: Jerome Maida at May 14, 2004 04:32 PM

eclark,
Jesse Jackson protesting a institution does not make it racist. I have a Playboy interview (I DO keep them for the articles, especially the interviews) right after that with Whoopi Goldberg in which Whoopi Goldberg (no conservative there!) went off on how pissed she was at Jesse for his grandstanding. Her point was that he was choosing to boycott a show in which she, an African-American, was hosting and in which Wynton Marsalis had been selected to play the music. She ended conversation on the topic by saying one of my favorite quotes, "I think most people who know him realize Jesse's full of shit."

Posted by: Jerome Maida at May 14, 2004 04:37 PM

Kathleen,
James Marsters just shaves his locks off for charity, so unless he dies (again) I think that means it's going to be a while before we see David Boreanaz and company on screen again.
Excuse me while I go and cry.

Posted by: Den at May 14, 2004 04:50 PM

Now, there's no need for insults.

When it comes to Wolverine, there's always reason for insults.

I hate and despise that over-hyped midget.

BTW, who do you feel is a moron? The Wolverine character, or Hugh Jackman? "Cause I like 'em both.

I'll let you know after I've seen Van Helsing, okay.

Posted by: Roger Tang at May 14, 2004 04:58 PM

Well, I saw Jackman in OKLAHOMA, so I KNOW he's an OK dude...

Posted by: Jerome Maida at May 14, 2004 05:55 PM

Den,
Wow! You're usually so calm and reasoned. you must REALLY dislike the character:)
I DO think Jackman is a pretty cool guy, though. Reminds me at times of a young Clint Eastwood.

Posted by: pgavigan at May 14, 2004 06:40 PM

While an Angle and/or Buffy TV movie might not be a possibility, nothing precludes the idea of one revolving around several of the other characters. As I understand it, the BBC is still interested in doing the "Ripper" movie. Perhaps this might be the avenue to pursue, production cost are generally less in England than in the US or even Canada.

Recently I saw JM on the Sharon Osborne Show and just last night DB was on The Best Damn Sports Show. Remarkably both men looked far younger than they had on this season of Angel. At first I thought this might be due to the changed circumstances of their lives, less stress and more relaxation time. Then I realized it was a matter of lighting. The mood lighting of Angel served to age their skin more than the actress friendly lighting scheme of Buffy.

Posted by: Deano at May 14, 2004 06:51 PM

i think other people expressed my idea about Halle berry better than I did.My complaint was more on the line of others when i mention the academy is a joke if they wanted to give a black woman an award they could have given it to Angela Bassett for Whats love got to do with it.Halle did get more attention after Swordfish.(at least from men anyway)It just seems to me that people get awards for not the best performance or movie but for a "popular " reason.Tom hanks in "Philadelphia"BRILLIANT ! Forrest gump ???I just didnt get it.
Im not disrespecting Halle at all ,I just couldnt make it thru Monsters Ball i wanted to shoot myself half way through it it was so depressing.So
maybe thats a slam on me.
I agree with Jerome about the Al pacino ,thing robbing Denzel.Training Day was good ,but he ruled in Malcolm X!!!
Summing up apology to halle and her breasts,other people express my ideas better than me ,i dont do depressing movies,and the Academy stinks:)
Re:Charisma in Playboy DAMN!!!!Thats a good looking woman!!!

Posted by: Loretimor at May 14, 2004 09:39 PM

Peter --

When you wrote, "We even learn that a plot element from an earlier episode which was apparently wasted was, in fact, not wasted and turned out to play a major part," were you referring to Emily still being around, or something else? I saw the episode and enjoy your reviews; just wanted to understand the whole thing.

Thanks.

Posted by: The Blue Spider at May 14, 2004 10:54 PM

A demon inhabiting an evil female senator with a name beginning in H who expects to be president in 2008? Too implausible.

The demon sounds kinda redundent, actually.

Posted by: eclark1849 at May 14, 2004 11:19 PM

eclark,
Jesse Jackson protesting a institution does not make it racist. I have a Playboy interview (I DO keep them for the articles, especially the interviews) right after that with Whoopi Goldberg in which Whoopi Goldberg (no conservative there!) went off on how pissed she was at Jesse for his grandstanding. Her point was that he was choosing to boycott a show in which she, an African-American, was hosting and in which Wynton Marsalis had been selected to play the music. She ended conversation on the topic by saying one of my favorite quotes, "I think most people who know him realize Jesse's full of shit."

Hey, I totally agree. Jesse's full of shit. But as they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day (unless trhe hands are missing).

Jesse had a point. this time. The industry did and still does have a poor track record when it comes to minorities in front of the camera.

Posted by: Karen at May 14, 2004 11:38 PM

Jerome,
So when are we going to see the interview you did with Joss Whedon? I'd be interested to see if a few questions I have will be answered!

Posted by: Jerome Maida at May 15, 2004 02:42 AM

Karen,
It's coming. Honest.

Posted by: Chris Brown at May 15, 2004 05:16 AM

Loved Angel this week. Nice to see Adam Baldwin getting some serious screen time. Next week should be great, providing that Joss doesn't make go completely out of it's way for the happy ending. Like on Buffy.

Posted by: Jerome Maida at May 15, 2004 11:46 AM

Chris Brown,
I found the finale of Buffy to be enormously satisfying, and I wouldn't call the death of Anya, the goodbye to Spike, and xander still making like Cyclops - oh, and the total destruction of Sunnydale - exactly a chipper ending.
they won, but at a cost. It was very powerful.

Posted by: Chris Brown at May 15, 2004 02:31 PM

True. I was referring to the total wussyfying of the so called Uber-Vamps.

Posted by: Howard Margolin at May 16, 2004 02:39 AM

I remember seeing Halle Berry on a talk show (possibly Oprah) shortly before the opening of "X-Men." She was bemoaning the lack of substantive roles for African-American women in films, and said something to the effect of "I'm reduced to playing a comic book character." Aside from the fact that Storm, as written in the comics, is a very complex character (probably more than found in most "mainstream" movies), she obviously found something appealing about the prospect, since she not only reprised the role, but then went on to be a Bond girl, and then another comics-inspired character (unless it is all about the money).
As far as next week's "Smallville" season finale, didn't the third season of "Lois and Clark" also end with a girl from Krypton coming to take Kal-El back to fulfill his destiny on what remained of his homeworld? Hopefully, "Smallville" season four will not begin with an army of Kryptonian thugs taking over the town as a stepping stone to ruling the Earth.

Posted by: EClark1849 at May 16, 2004 12:37 PM

I remember seeing Halle Berry on a talk show (possibly Oprah) shortly before the opening of "X-Men." She was bemoaning the lack of substantive roles for African-American women in films, and said something to the effect of "I'm reduced to playing a comic book character." Aside from the fact that Storm, as written in the comics, is a very complex character (probably more than found in most "mainstream" movies), she obviously found something appealing about the prospect, since she not only reprised the role, but then went on to be a Bond girl, and then another comics-inspired character (unless it is all about the money).

No doubt money was an issue, but you have to admit that aside from Patrick Stewart, she was THE most prominent actress in the movie and she had what was basically a supporting role. The actress who played Jean had a bigger role, more lines and more camera time.

Look, I'm not really trying to start anything with the racism issue. but then, I'm not the only person to ever call attention to it either. Robert Towsend made his own movie, The Hollywood Shuffle, in which he called attention to it. The Wayans had a show, In Living Color, in which the least prominent comedian on the show is now one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, Jim Carrey, and they also commented on the race issue in Hollywood. they had a recurring skit called "The Black Sidekick".

Kirk Douglas was once asked why there were so few roles for blacks in movies, and I think he got it right. He said, "We (whites) like to see ourselves up on the screen."

Posted by: Bladestar at May 16, 2004 12:57 PM

Chris, EXACTLY. At first, Buffy and crew couldn't handle one Uber-Vamp, then, Buffy can beat one by fighting on the field of her choice, and then, Andrew and Anya (with no powers) can hold off a bunch of them without both getting killed? Ditto Xander and Dawn?

EClark, the actress that played Jean was, co-incidentally, also a Bond Girl, Famke Jensen was her name I believe, two films before Halle I think...

Movies will get made starring who people are willing to pay to see, so really just it's just financial racism at best...

Posted by: EClark1849 at May 16, 2004 06:33 PM

EClark, the actress that played Jean was, co-incidentally, also a Bond Girl, Famke Jensen was her name I believe, two films before Halle I think...

Thanks. Shows how much of an impression she made on me.

Movies will get made starring who people are willing to pay to see, so really just it's just financial racism at best...

Yes and no...
No one goes to see supporting actors. They'r not the name that draws. The star is.

Most people will agree that Morgan Freeman is a good actor, and a star. He's never going to headline a movie. In fact, I can only think of three black actors that can and will draw a diverse enough crowd to be consider a top draw. Denzel Washington, The Rock, and Vin Diezel. Denzel's good looking and non-threatening, and Vin and The Rock are damn near white.

That's somethig that's helping Halle Berry as well, skin color. She's dark enough to be recognizably black, but she's culturally neutral enough that she can pass for even a mobster's wife.

Hollywood is all about the green, I grant you, but there's no reason a number of parts offered to white actors can't be offered to minorities.

Posted by: Bill Mulligan at May 16, 2004 07:03 PM

"I can only think of three black actors that can and will draw a diverse enough crowd to be consider a top draw. Denzel Washington, The Rock, and Vin Diezel. Denzel's good looking and non-threatening, and Vin and The Rock are damn near white."

What, does a guy have to be a Zulu to have any street credibility?

truth to tell, I think that there are very few stars who can truly "open" a film and most of them are comedy stars. If you thought any of Adam Sandler's movies were funny, you will probably find the next one funny. Notice though, when he gets away from the "funny voice" guy the movie often bombs. Ditto Jim Carrey.

Big names did not sell a single tickey to the Lord of The Rings trilogy or Spiderman. All the money that Halle is getting for Catwoman would have been better spent on a script.

Posted by: EClark1849 at May 17, 2004 09:38 AM

What, does a guy have to be a Zulu to have any street credibility?

In Hollywood, that would probably work against him.

truth to tell, I think that there are very few stars who can truly "open" a film and most of them are comedy stars. If you thought any of Adam Sandler's movies were funny, you will probably find the next one funny. Notice though, when he gets away from the "funny voice" guy the movie often bombs. Ditto Jim Carrey.

Whole different animal. Comedies aren't really about the script, It's about delivery and timing. In other words, it's a vehicle for the star.

Think of Adam Sandler or Eddie Murphy in "The Mask". Do you think either of them could have done a comparable job to Carrey? On the other hand, either of them could have worked for " The Truman Show".

Big names did not sell a single tickey to the Lord of The Rings trilogy or Spiderman. All the money that Halle is getting for Catwoman would have been better spent on a script.

Perhaps, but the best script in the world won't help a mediocre actor.

"Lord of the Rings" was probably going to be a big draw no matter who was in it.. Spiderman and Cat woman are both recognizable characters. I think most people would like to see a Green Lantern movie regardless of who plays the title role.

Posted by: Peter David at May 17, 2004 09:41 AM

When you wrote, "We even learn that a plot element from an earlier episode which was apparently wasted was, in fact, not wasted and turned out to play a major part," were you referring to Emily still being around, or something else? I saw the episode and enjoy your reviews; just wanted to understand the whole thing."

I was referring to Chloe's having gotten the goods on Lionel, except he erased the message so it was as if it never happened. I even cited that as an example of the episode accomplishing nothing. So when it turns out that, nope, I spoke too soon, I figured I should mention it.

PAD

Posted by: Kenneth at May 17, 2004 02:26 PM

Funny- no cable in my area. Still manage to watch the two greatest shows ever, ANGEL, and of course SIMPSONS. Good buddy of mine tapes the episodes for me. Big brouhaha over the series ending has me glad we don't get to see teasers or "coming next week". I do obviously have 'net access, and love PAD's forum (and his works!!! Go, Apropos! Go Spyboy! GO Titans- er, sorry, that one slipped)
Anyway, long rant short, I will miss Angel, but think I have an explanation for DB's orange hair on BDSSE. David B. landed a villain role on the latest Crow film, where he plays the leader of a motorcycle gang called the Four Horsemen. Eddie Furlong takes his turn as the Crow. Anyone interested can pop on over to http://www.efavata.com/CBM
Very informative website, and, over the last two years I've been using it, has been incedibly accurate with their reporting on the topic. (Comic-books turned into movies, for any who haven't down a few cans of Jolt yet...)
Anyway, all the speculation and boo-hoos aside,
there's always Joss's FRAY books, and his upcoming turn on X-MEN.
Which leads me to a direct question for PAD -
what are the odds of you co-writing something with Joss himself? Would you ever be interested in such a project?
::insert drooling fanboy image here::