
Dec. 7, 1990
So I'm at the offices of DC Comics the other day, and coming toward me down the hallway, on their way to lunch, are Dick Giordano, Pat Bastíenne, and Julie Schwartz. Collectively, they have about 3000 years of comic-book experience among them.
Dick tells me to stop writing fiction that I couldn't sell anywhere and write columns about real stuff. Pat-- who is in charge of medical coverage-- eyes me carefully to see if I'm coughing or anything, and Julie grips my shoulder firmly, stares me down and growls, "Do a column about me." OK.
Julie Schwartz - Where Legends Live
I will never forget the time I was in a comics store, talking with some older fans about comics history, and the name Julie Schwartz was raised. And a younger fan, standing nearby, glanced up from a rack of Turtles comics and said, "Julie Schwartz? Who's she?"
Julius Schwartz, ya morons. Ya bozos. The man. The legend. The sexual dynamo. Describing Julie Schwartz brings to mind the (self-proclaimed) description of Captain Freedom from Hill Street Blues: Ten tons of dynamite in one hand and a neutron bomb in the other. When he walks, buildings tremble and bad guys wet their pants.
Julius Schwartz, whose very presence and air provides hope for future bald, old Jewish men everywhere (like myself, for example).
Julius Schwartz who-- together with a host of others whose names would likewise be unfamiliar to fans who think that Gardner Fox was an old cartoon character-- reshaped a comics universe.
They didn't need limited series, or fan favorites, or red skies, or mando paper, high-profile deaths, trade paperbacks, posters, fliers, store displays, inflatable figures, sponges, or bagged editions. All they needed was talent, imagination, and a sense of wonder, dammit.
Julius Schwartz, whose name is connected with one of the greatest disappointments I ever suffered at a convention.
It was at I-Con in Long Island last year, I believe, or perhaps the year before. There was a panel on the topic of redefining characters. Reshaping them, retooling them, and infusing them with renewed vitality for the modern readership (whatever might happen to be defined as "modern" at the time).
I was slated to be on the panel, presumably for my work with The Incredible Hulk. (For which, frankly, I still don't understand why I get all the credit. Bob Harras and Al Milgrom turned him gray and crafty, not me.).
I was asked to moderate the panel, but when I found out that Julie Schwartz was going to be on it as well, I refused. I felt it would be presumptuous and inappropriate. Julie was there, for crying out loud. So I helped retool one character. So what?
Julie helped reshape a comics cosmos. The stories he could tell about recreating The Flash, Hawkman, The Atom-- an entire modern cast. And it had never been done before.
It doesn't matter how many new series they give Hawkman or how much they turn Catwoman into a slut, or how good any of the efforts are. Nothing will change the fact that when the Silver Age of comics was being hammered into shape on the anvil of creativity, it was the first time it was being done. We're talking uncharted water, unknown realms, where no fan has gone before.
I was really excited to be on this panel with Julie. I would have been happy to sit in the audience, or be a fly on the wall. I wanted Julie to moderate it. More than that, I wanted to just kick back on the panel and listen to Julie talk about what it was like. When I'm on a panel I can just talk and talk, but for this, I was ready to staple my mouth shut lest I detract.
So we show up for the panel at the appointed hour, Julie and myself and the other panelists (I don't remember who, I'm sorry, I apologize profusely) and I can't remember the last time I was so looking forward to a convention panel. Instead of a bunch of young hotshots discussing censorship or violence or whatever, we were going to hear about history in the making from someone whose hands got thick with the clay of the molding.
And no one showed up. No one
Showed Up.
I will grant you, it was the first panel of the morning.
Perhaps a number of attendees hadn't gotten there yet. But that's no excuse. We sat in that large lecture room, the bunch of us, for about 10 or 15 minutes, discussing this, that and the other thing-- even about the start of the Silver Age-- and listened to our voices echo in the empty room.
And no one Showed Up.
And after a while we all drifted apart to go look at the dealers' room, and the fans never bothered to come by and hear about the making of the character who was revived by Julie et al. so that he could eventually streak across your TV screen Thursday nights, accompanied by a Danny Elfman score.
(And hey, how come we don't see "Created by" credits on The Flash, the way Bob Kane receives credit in Batman? The official explanation-- that they're combining several different elements of the Flash and that they can't, therefore, credit only one person-- is a load of crap. What, are they paying for credits by the word or something, and they can't afford it? For that matter, I've seen script credits that read "Script by A, B, and C, from a story by C, X, and Z." Those fit on the TV screen just fine. Can't list one? List them all. They're entitled-- their creation gave you guys a job.)
So I was bitterly disappointed with the fan apathy over that panel and if I'm ever on a similar panel, I'm going to do some audience recruitment with a 2 x 4.
I will note, though, that I was on a comics panel with Julie and some other guys that was designed as a "Comics Night" at C.W. Post, again on the Island, and we had a great turnout for that.
I will also note that Julie's ability to walk around conventions with various nubile young ladies at his beck and call, and his talent for charming the most formidable of women, is absolutely legendary. 'Tis a wonderment to behold. They just flock to him.
I have even seen him flirting, repeatedly, with Carol Kalish. And she loves it. Loves it. And she even flirts back.
To understand the magnitude of this, you have to understand Carol, I suppose. Carol is the head honcho of Marvel Comics Direct sales (that's the comic book specialty market).
She is tough, determined, aggressive, smart, a dozen other things-- but not flirtatious. Carol is to the art of flirtation what Rembrandt is to skateboarding. She is my dear friend, but she's not someone you casually cuddle up to and rub faces with. She doesn't invite it and you don't ask.
Except with Julie.
The first time I saw it happen I was shocked. Julie was all over her. She was all over Julie. In public. Carol doesn't like having her picture taken, but the first time I saw her allow it, it was in Julie's embrace.
If Julie Schwartz can wrap Carol around his little finger, then the man is a master. An absolute master.
What's he got? I don't know. If I did, I'd seal it in Mylar and keep it in my basement, in a vault, so that I could access it when I'm his age (presuming I don't blow my brains out earlier on in envy) and make use of it.
Julie has appeared on the covers of comics more than any editor I can think of. In fact, when we had Bela Oxmyx an the cover of Star Trek #11, we had to change his likeness because we didn't have the right to use the actor's face. Bela wound up looking like Julie Schwartz, and we got quite a few queries about it. At a San Diego Con, Carol, Greg Theakston, Richard Howell and a host of cohorts sponsored a major birthday bash for Julie.
He deserves it, deserves it all. He certainly deserves that more than being wondered about as, "Julie Schwartz? Who's she?"
So now you know.
Okay, Julie-- where's my ten bucks?
Peter David, writer of stuff, is available for weddings, parties and Bar-Mitzvahs.
Posted by Glenn Hauman at December 6, 2002 09:44 PM | TrackBack | Other blogs commentingJulie is DA MAN... About 10 years ago I was at Dragon*Con and I was dragged into the presence of Julie and Jeanette Khan by a friend who was bragging to Julie that I was a HUGE Green Lantern Fan.
Julie shook my hand and asked me to do Hal Jordan's oath. I did so and then he asked me to do Alan Scott's Oath. When I had finished with Alan's Oath, Julie asked me to do Tomar Re's oath.
I said: "It's the same as Alan's oath, Mr. Shwartz."
Julie smilled and turned to Jeanette and said: "Gimme the ring."
He handed me a plastic GL ring autographed by Martin Nodell, the GL creator...
It sits on my trophy shelf to this day.
Julie Shwartz is my hero.
I love comics.
With a passion, yet.
But as much as I look up to Julie Schwartz for his work in comics, the comics work isn't important.
"ISN'T IMPORTANT?!?"
Nope.
Because Julie Schwartz is the man responsible for getting Ray Bradbury published. As the first science fiction agent, Julie was responsible for furthering the careers of some of the most seminal writers of the Golden Age of Science Fiction.
'Nuff flippin' said.
(Okay, okay ... he did important work in comics. Where would we be without the yellow circle he put around Batman's emblem?)
(I kid; I kid. Julie is one of the pillars upon which today's world of comics has been built.)
For those of you interested in Julie's comic and non-comic work, read his autobiography "Man of Two Worlds."
David
I knew I was starting to make a name for myself in the field when I no longer had to remind Julie who I was every time I saw him (and I see him at conventions about four or five times a year).
I remember one I-Con where he and I were sitting in the autograph area on the upper level over the gym. I have no earthly clue what we were doing up there, but it was just the two of us shooting the breeze, talking about folks in the industry we both knew (the only name I remember now is Diane Duane). I don't know how I managed to be able to monopolize Julie for so long, but it was a privilege to just sit and chat with that kind of history.
---KRAD
Nothing should excuse anyone from knowing who Julius Schwartz is. If someone's a real comic fan it should just come up as part of their studies.
That no one would show up at a convention to see/hear Julie is simply shameful to me.
In my comics APA, a member gave a report on the San Diego con a few years ago, where he spent time talking with legends in the Artist Alley who were getting no visitors.
I don't care if a writer/editor/artist isn't current "hot talent". Here was a chance to see Nick Cardy, (I think) Martin Nodell, and others who helped as pioneers on some of the comics we enjoy now. They shouldn't be ignored - they should be cherished!
>They didn't need limited series, >or fan favorites, or red skies, or mando paper, high-profile deaths, trade paperbacks, posters, fliers, store displays, inflatable figures, sponges, or bagged editions. All they needed was talent, imagination, and a sense of wonder, dammit.
Gee, i miss those days. I mean I wasnīt REALLY there but i got most of this comics, and you are right about it.
When i think about it how humanized comics became... well, I dunno, iīt is normal when you are young, not knowing the past history of things that came before you, I guess.
For example, The Flash is older than fifty. So there is More than Fifty years of comics to colect and know.
But nowadays i feel older than i am because of the Readers. I donīt know how do you all feel about it but everytime i meet with Readers, Friends or not seens that they donīt give a danm to History. They even donīt WANT to know history, They only cares for who are the new HOT artists and Writers and not even for a Long time.
Everything now has a momentum or a spins that says exactaly when somethins STOPS being good.Itīs like nobody can pay atention to a thing for much time.
Most of this readers that i know are Adults, and thatīs the odd thing they speak as Kids, when they define comics just by " Being Cool" or " By Sucking .
Guys like Swartezes, or Orlandos, or ( stan) Lees, Kirbys just to name a few, didnīt told *Cool* or *Suck* Storys, They told Bigger than life Stories. Modern Miyhologies.
Most of the readers today donīt have dignity even to try to listen other people.
that upsets me so much, I really donīt know how Peter David deal with things like than. Conventions depress me to no end, and iīm not really an Writer/artist yet. Pad not only deals with that but he laughts about it. He verbally beats everyone that tries to mess with him. ( being the most memorable moments are the PAD vs Byrne ones)
This Julius Schwartz career mini-retrospective appeared in the editorial column of the current issue of Dr. Dobbs Journal ( a software developers magazine...)
For a period in the late 60s and early 70s (or thereabouts), Schwartz was a fiction editor at ESQUIRE magazine (back when it was the size of LIFE and enjoyed a certain prestige). He worked on short stories and condensations by some of the period's most promient writers.
This, while still editing a carload of comics for DC.
.. and if you are interested in going even further back, Julie Schwartz was involved in early fan efforts, showign that when the going gets weird, the weird go pro!
Ken Gale will be touching on this subject in an upcoming WBAI slot on fanzines.
Ken writes: "'Nuff Said!, the comic book interview/talk show,(at http://www.comicbookradioshow.com) is still off the air as a regular show, but I'm talking about comics on the air twice more.
Friday night/Saturday morning, Dec. 21st at 3 AM - Music fanzine special Sean Rhodes is doing a special on music fanzines and I'll be supplying a segment on fanzine history from Julie Schwartz and Mort Weisinger's fanzine in the '30s to the comic book fanzines of the '60s and '70s to apas to internet chat rooms and e-lists."
WBAI also broadcasts on the internet, and programs often take viewer calls. Meanwhile, Ken has been looking for more letters of comment on the shows and the web page. Follow the link above and check it out. Lots of comic book history in the guest archieves.
I met Julius Scwartz only once: at a Philcon (Philadephia Science Fiction Convention) about ten years ago. For a time reference, it was after a writer friend of mine showed me several pictures taken of him posing with Caroline Munro! I knew that Peter was right on the money when I first read this column in the "Best of But I Digress" collection, especially after I talked to Mr. Schwartz about Caroline. His eyes grew to at least three times as large as normal when he said, "Oh yes! I know Caroline!"
What kind of magic formula did guys like him and Dr. Isaac Asimov possess, do you think? Mature wisdom? Paternal charm? A veneer of wizzened harmlessness (that had to be a smokescreen for YOU KNOW WHAT)? As you said, Peter, at least you'll have something to look forward to in YOUR autumn years, especially since you won't have to deal with competition from THEM, sad to say.