8:56: We will be watching on the Bloomberg Channel because they are supposed to be doing live fact checking.
9:02: It remains amazing how the bar skews toward Trump. Clinton has to go out there and convince America to trust her. All Trump has to do is not lose his temper. She has to accomplish things and he simply has to not have a breakdown. Not sure if this is gender related or simply standard GOP/Democrat.
9:04: By the way, feel free to comment along the way so I know someone is reading this. Wonder if they’ll shake hands and smile.
9:05: Yes, they did.
9:06: Because I’ve never declared bankruptcy, that’s why.
9:06: Why the HÊLL don’t they ever answer the questions? I mean, EVER? Don’t make an opening statement: tell why we should support YOU, for God’s sake.
9:08: Why can’t she say, “Because I’m sane and he’s not.”
9:10: But is any of this true? Is anyone checking whether what he’s saying is factual?
9:11: Hillary launches the first attack. She has to keep on it. She has to underscore how his plans make no sense and won’t work.
9:12: Good. Let’s see if he answers. And no, $1 million is NOT a small loan, you dip šhìŧ.
9:14: Nope. He’s not answering the question either. Jesus. Good: Lester is staying on him.
9:15: TRUMP is talking about special interests? Everything about him is special interests.
9:17: Good, keep interrupting her so that she can keep ignoring you when you do that.
9:19: I love that she tried to interrupt him and he immediately said, “Excuse me” and wouldn’t let her talk. She, on the other hand, just ignores him and talks over him.
9:22: They’re really just going at it. The moderator isn’t interrupting.
9:24: He’s being insanely aggressive, which I’m sure his fans are loving. It doesn’t matter that what he’s saying isn’t true.
9:26: He’s blowing his stack and we’re only half an hour in.
9:28: Leadership STARTS with the secretary? Why not blame her for everything?
9:29: She is perpetually semi-smiling and he is perpetually scowling. And he KEEPS INTERRUPTING or trying to. He can’t keep his cool.
9:30: The “worst revival?” What the HÊLL does that mean?
9:31: Of course it’s doing political things. It’s a political office.
9:31: NO. THE IRS HAS SAID THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO RELEASE HIS RETURNS. NONE. ANOTHER LIE.
9:32: SOMEONE CALL HIM ON IT.
9:32: YES!!!! THE AUDIT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NOT RELEASING YOUR RETURNS, YOU JÃÇKÃSS.
9:33: And the Trumpites start shouting.
9:34 YES! Take him down, Clinton!
9:35: No, that doesn’t make you smart, you idiot.
9:37: Yes, you do learn a lot from financial disclosure. Which is why you don’t want to release the tax returns; because you don’t want anyone to learn anything from that disclosure.
9:38: “Braggadocious”” Is that a word?
9:39: So he doesn’t DENY that he hasn’t paid taxes. And yes, let’s talk about business. Go for it.
9:40: Oh, come ON! He’s going to claim that everyone he hasn’t paid was because they all sucked at their work?
9:41: There’s nowhere for him to hide. She’s filleting him.
9:41: No, it’s not words and sound bites. It’s FACTS. The FACTS are that he is a lousy businessman. That his businesses fail.
9:42: But he’s SCREWING OVER his employees. That’s what she’s saying.
9:45: Good. Good answer. Talk about police training.
9:46: She didn’t use the words “law and order” because they’re not relevant to the question. The question he’s not answering.
9:48: And here we go: the trouble is illegal immigrants going around shooting people, and so we all need to be armed to prevent it. Christ.
9:49: So I’m lost. He wants to…take away guns? What about the Second Amendment? He wants to restore stop and frisk? What the hëll is he talking about? How does this relate to the question about harmless blacks being gunned down by cops?
9:51: Blacks currently support him by 0%. I wonder if he can drop to negative numbers?
9:52: She sounds SO SENSIBLE. He sounds hysterical.
9:53: Caroline suggests they should make it as hard to get a gun as it is to get an abortion.
9:55: Of course, the problem with watch lists is that they’re not dependable. Kathleen wound up on a watch list for a year because her name was similar to some one else.
9:58: Trump is wrong. Murders are down. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nypd-low-crime-first-quarter-2016_us_5702b0dae4b0a06d580653e3
9:58: She decided to STAY HOME?! Christ, what an áššhølë!
9:59: She just won. That’s the quote that everyone is going to go with. She prepared for the debate and she is preparing to be president.
10:00: What in HÊLL is he talking about?!?
10:01: No, he was NOT the one who got him to produce the birth certificate. It’s true because he says it’s true? It’s true because he had a dream about it?
10:01: Hillary looks like she’s trying not to laugh.
10:03: YES. Bring up his history of racism. Excellent.
10:05: He didn’t like the way she treated Obama during a DEBATE? Jesus.
10:09: Yes, her time has expired, but since he keeps talking over time, it seems fair.
10:09: He was endorsed by Ice? Who the hëll is that?
10:10: No, they knew for sure it was Russia. And that’s not the point: he ENCOURAGED Russia to hack into America. THAT is what should be addressed.
10:14: Except BUSH was the one who was responsible for the creation of ISIS, you idiot. Not Obama, not Clinton.
10:14: It doesn’t matter that you say “wrong,” Trump. Everyone KNOWS you endorsed the invasion.
10:19: Lester, stop letting him ramble over stuff that was already answered.
10:20: THERE IS VIDEO OF HIM ENDORSING THE WAR! IDIOT!
10:22: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMgQAyZC-Vg
10:22: Kathleen is ready to throw up. He has a better temperament?! Is he INSANE?!?!
10:24: She’s destroying him. With his own words.
10:25: It’s old because it remains accurate.
10:29: What in God’s name is he talking about? I mean, is it me? I literally cannot follow what he’s talking about.
10:31: That’s no secret. We know he has no plan.
10:32: SHE has no business ability? Multiple bankruptcies and SHE has no business ability?
10:33: No, he said “look.” And Lester just called him on it. This is nuts. Over and over he gets called on his lies and he just ignores them.
10:34: Kath just said “Game, set and match to Hillary.”
10:35: I see Lester is no longer trying to rein in the audience cheers.
10:36: OH, BÙLLSHÍT! Now he is taking the high road?! About her ads, which are wholly accurate? Trump claims that Mexicans are criminals and rapists and SHE is the one who is not nice?
10:37: Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. Sometimes it rains.
10:37: ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU NITWIT!
10:38: Christ, I can’t believe there are two more of these things.
Holt does a little fact-checking; he points out that, no matter what Trump claims, he went on pushing the nonsense for years after the birth certificate was produced.
To their credit, when Trump recently claimed Hilary Clinton started the birther movement and Trump ended it, CNN actually spent a lot of time showing all the clips of Trump pushing the birther conspiracy on numerous television and radio shows. (They may have learned this from THE DAILY show, which exposed this sort of hypocrisy frequently with contrasting clips between what someone said now and what they said — often — in the past.)
The narcissism, it burns!
Sorry, I mis-posted that. Never mind.
I’ve done genealogy. I’ve obtained official copies of records from the state’s health department or similar department. Such an official copy is admissible in court. All Obama had to do was make a phone call to Loretta Fuddy and say “Please sell official copies of my birth certificate to whoever wants them.”
Instead, he put a jpg up on a webpage. Not admissible in court. Basically worthless as evidence in a contentious environment (which politics is). I can show you a picture on the Internet of Obama and Sarah Palin dancing together on Dancing With The Stars!!!!! What’s worse, that jpg was made of layers, which indicated that it hadn’t just been honestly scanned in, it had been manipulated extensively. So maybe Obama did that just to keep sticklers complaining, so he could call us unreasonable. I think maybe Obama obscured a lot of his background, and threw out hints such as that he was born in Kenya, just to keep people asking questions so that he could ridicule them.
But that thing he “released” was NOT an honest document. Given all this, how unreasonable is it for us (and Trump) not to be convinced and/or “shut up and go away”?
Completely unreasonable, considering none of you people are disputing that his mother is an American citizen and that alone qualifies him as an American. So it pretty much doesn’t matter where he was born. Get it yet?
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Rod: What colour paisley was the sun where you are this morning?
PAD: Actually, it MIGHT matter where he was born, despite his mother’s citizenship.
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There’s a sort of “use by” date on the birth citizenship thing – if the parent(s) who are US citizens have been out of the country over a certain number of years without returning, the child doesn’t get automatic US citizenship.
Mr. David,
It might legally matter where President Obama was born as the Constitution does not define what “Natural Born” means. Note: he was born in Hawaii and this was never in any doubt to anyone who wasn’t desperate to believe otherwise.
Rod: Obama making the document open for anyone to get a copy would have been a horrible idea. There would have been a deluge of altered copies changing/deleting/adding information to them “proving” that the copy Obama released was a fake. After Obama released the scanned BC in 2008 and the rumors only multiplied, he correctly concluded that NOTHING he could do would convince the howler monkeys and ANYTHING he did to engage that slander/libel would just reinforce the conspiracy theories.
Beyond that, there’s the amazing stupidity of what the Birthers have to believe to still believe their staggeringly huge bit of stupidity.
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The birth certificate was checked and verified by officials in the state of Hawaii.
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By Republican officials.
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Who answered to a Republican governor who was actively stumping for McCain at the time.
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So to keep up the birther lie, they have to believe that a Republican governor who was supporting and campaigning the Republican nominee would happily lie about the birth certificate’s authenticity when statements about a fraudulent birth certificate by them would have damaged Obama’s momentum and chances at the White House.
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“Given all this, how unreasonable is it for us (and Trump) not to be convinced and/or “shut up and go away”?”
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You’d come off more reasonable claiming you had proof that the Loch Ness monster was both real and an honest to goodness Plesiosauria.
“We settled the suit with no admission of guilt”.
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Right. “We didn’t do it and we won’t do it again.”
I don’t like the way HE’S acting.
That he settled a civil rights lawsuit with no admission of guilt doesn’t mean his company didn’t perform as accused.
In fact, it means they DID, but the court let them get away with paying a fine and not admitting guilt.
No, it COULD mean they DIDN’T, but would rather pay the fine than go to the trouble and expense of fighting it.
Basically, it means NOTHING.
So is this a proper foundation to accuse someone of racism?
CLinton: He’s been racist and sued for it since 1973.
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Trump response: I’ve been doing racial outreach “for the last little while”
If all Trump had to do to was not look like an angry five year old, he’s failed miserably.
“He was just endorsed by ICE”?
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A government agency is endorsing people for President?
Well THAT’S interesting.
Check this out:
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trump-clinton-debate-updates-trump-claims-ice-endorsement-1474943232-htmlstory.html
Most all of Trump’s answers boil down to “I’ll do something!” with little or no actual details.
I suspect he means ICE, since in the next breath he mentioned border guards.
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(Immigrations and Customs Enforcement)
Ah, okay. Is that true that they endorsed him?
I sincerely doubt it.
Yes, they did. He told the truth. Surprising. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/immigration-customs-enforcement-union-endorses-trump-228664
I would hope not. Government agencies have NO business endorsing one way or the other. Government EMPLOYEES, on the other hand, should feel the right to endorse whoever they want, and he probably found out that a couple of border guards support the idea of a wall or something, and is running with it.
It was the ICE employee union.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/immigration-customs-enforcement-union-endorses-trump-228664
He merely said “ICE” – didn’t say that it was the union.
It’s actually illegal, under the Hatch Act, for a government employee to use their status as a government employee in the support a political candidate. I’m not sure how that applies to an employee union, but if they’re supporting him under the auspices of their representation of government employees then I think the government will want a word with them. It is at the very least highly inappropriate for him to say his support comes from ICE and not its union. I’m sure Trump wouldn’t balk at doing something misleading and inappropriate, but it’s entirely possible he’s just ignorant of the distinction. Big surprise.
ICE
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U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
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https://www.ice.gov/
“10:09: He was endorsed by Ice? Who the hëll is that?”
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Hmm. Ice Cube? Ice T? Vanilla Ice? Ice cream? Ice cream! That’s it! He was endorsed by ice cream because he looks like butterscotch topping!
He meant to say ISIS. He stuttered.
No, really, he meant an employee union:
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trump-clinton-debate-updates-trump-claims-ice-endorsement-1474943232-htmlstory.html
The great military strategist who dodged the draft explains how Iraq should have been done.
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Also, he says we should have taken the oil – which would have been, of course, illegal.
ICE immigration Customs Enforcement
“Ah, okay. Is that true that they endorsed him?”
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The ICE union did.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/immigration-customs-enforcement-union-endorses-trump-228664
Back to the NATO Dolchstoßlegende
Hillary AND Holt calling him on his Iraq lies.
He claims he has a better temperament.
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The entire room laughs.
Trump saying to check with Hannity about his stand on the war is apparently the funniest thing Hilary had heard.
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“I have a better temperament than Hillary”.
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Hillary scoffs.
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The audience laughs.
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Holt really should have called them on that…
Well, he called them on cheers. You can’t call people on when they’re laughing. That’s involuntary.
He has a better temperament?
People tell him he has a great temperament?
The narcissism, it burns!
10:09: He was endorsed by Ice? Who the hëll is that?
ICE is Immigration and Customs Enforcement. And no they haven’t. The Union for the officers and agents did.
I dunno.
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Let him make himself ridiculous.
“Troubling”?
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Terrifying.
“That line’s getting old.”
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“It’s a good one, though.”
Shut off his dámņëd mike if he won’t shut up.
He wouldn’t do first strike?
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Who was it saying that nuking ISIS would be a good idea?
Now he’s trying to say that he told Howard Stern, “I dunno, maybe.”
Nope.
He didn’t say that.
He said, “Yeah, I guess.” It’s not a ringing endorsement for the war, but definitely shows that his recent claim of having been “against it from the start” is a fûçkìņg lie.
Trump loves to say, “It looks that way.”
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Because even he knows when he’s going too far off the cliff with a lie.
God. The streaming comments next to the You Tube livestream are toxic – from both side.
Cut his dámņëd mike.
It continues to amaze me that he can just make up something, claim “people are saying that…” and be believed.
Nobody ever, ever seems to call him on that.
I’m actually surprised. She’s managed to be factual far more than I gave her credit for. Granted, some of it has been by giving non-answers and some of it has been because of Donald not shutting up, but it’s mostly been just answering questions honestly.
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The sad fact is you don’t have to, I don’t have to, and nobody sane has to. This is Palin 2.0 for the next generation of “Conservative Republican” in real time. He talks nonsense, and the people that think that his mindless bluster makes him a real man swoon and gush about how great he sounds.
Yes. He asked you a question, and you’re not answering the question he asked.
10:34: “Stamina”. YEAH, HILARY!! You tell him!
and by “stamina” he means “pëņìš”
10:32: SHE has no business ability? Multiple bankruptcies and SHE has no business ability?
I’ve been saying for months: his entire plan is to just stick his fingers in his ears and repeatedly say “I know you are, but what am I”.
Rosie O’Donnell hasn’t said a word during this campaign, and he brings her up?!?
I KNOW! Where the hëll did that come from?
Trump claims he never said pregnancy is an inconvenience to businesses.
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With video.
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“In an October 2004 interview with NBC’s Dateline, Trump said pregnancy is “a wonderful thing for the woman, it’s a wonderful thing for the husband, it’s certainly an inconvenience for a business. And whether people want to say that or not, the fact is it is an inconvenience for a person that is running a business.”
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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-2004-pregnancy-inconvenience-employers-n580366
He was too nice to run nasty attcks on Hillary and her family.
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Yeah.
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Pull the other one – it’s got bells on.
Too cheap to actually buy ads with campaign money he could be paying himself for things like the Trump Committee office space in Trump Towers – which he’s charging five times the normal rate for.
And to end it, he couldn’t answer a yes/no question without preceding it with two+ minutes of self-promotion.
I’m calling Hillary the winner.
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But i might be prejudiced by my ability to see what a egotistical blowhard Trump is.
“10:38: Christ, I can’t believe there are two more of these things.” Hear, hear!
Next time I’m playing the drinking game…
You’ll need a stomach pump within the first hour…
I’ve been thoroughly disgusted by Trump for over two decades (I remember reading the Playboy interview in which he praised the Chinese government for the then-recent crackdown in Tiananmen Square), and am not predisposed to hate Hillary the way many do, so I may be biased. But I for one was stunned by how abysmal Trump’s performance was. I thought it was bad even by Trump’s standards. He needed to do one thing tonight, and one thing alone: to appear even borderline presidential. With expectations of him so low, if he could just avoid sounding like a complete jáçkášš it would be perceived by many as a win. Unfortunately for him, he was jáçkášš Trump squared tonight.
Of course, I don’t know how the general voting populace will perceive him. To say the least, I am very interested to see what happens next.
He was speaking to his base, repeating exactly what we have heard again and again in his rallies. Look at the Brietbart forum, the base absolutely loved his performance and declared him the winner.
Yeah, but this is the general election, not the primaries. The key is to reach out beyond the base. This debate performance will send moderates on the fence about Trump running away retching.
Yes, “Braggadocious” is a word. That is in the dictionary :
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/braggadocious :
braggadocious
/ˌbræɡəˈdəʊʃəs/
adjective
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(US, informal) boastful
Word Origin
C20: from braggadocio
Yep, was just about to let you know. On my list of new favorite words. Sounds like something Julie Andrews would say.
Someone else made that connection and took it a step further:
https://www.facebook.com/georgehtakei/videos/875323595902918/
Peter David: “9:59: She just won. That’s the quote that everyone is going to go with. She prepared for the debate and she is preparing to be president.”
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Which statement are you referring to?
I said in the comment. Where she said that yes, she stayed home, preparing for the debate, and she’s also preparing to be president.
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Hillary, hands down as the winner.
Trump won on his near constant interruptions, his long winded run-around chatter, and his blatant lying to the audience at large. Dude needs a math class as well.
he wants credit for not having a whites only business in this day and age? look at me, i let blacks into my hotels.
Trump’s people are saying he actually prepared for this debate.
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Wow…
Why bother?
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It’s Trump.
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You know the answer already.
Already laying the groundwork for Donny to cut and run: “Wah! The mean ol’ moderator didn’t kiss my ášš enough!”
The only places where i heard Holt acting like a fact checker were places where he asked Trump to justify his recorded and documented past actions and statements.
Uh huh.
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Dean’s comment reminds me that i was thinking at the time that it sounded as if SOMEthing had been getting up Donald’s nose a lot.
Mr. David, thank you so much for this; it is a lovely perspective on the debate.
Ah, so now we see the truth. Basically, someone who looks presidential vs someone who shouldn’t run a Shoney’s. (No offense to Shoneys.)
He had sniffles? “TRUMP ON DEATH BED… WILL BE ELECTED POSTHUMOUSLY!”
He sounded as if he were ad-libbing and speaking off-the-cuff as he so often does. That doesn’t work if you’re president of the United States.
Every time Hillary smiled at one of his inane comments (their name is Legion), I giggled, figuring, “Oh boy, is he gonna get it!” And she fulfilled my every expectation.
He spewed so much crap that I’m not sure I can identify any single lie… it’s hard to separate the dross from the dross. But that bald faced lie about his tax returns was a beaut. Oh, and please go ahead and argue with the moderator… THAT’S a great idea.
Has he complained yet about how the debate was fixed? It’s 9:04 EDT here… he’s overdue.